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[Swimming Ferret]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

XJ347 wrote...

It was forced and felt out of place.

Do you know that the limbic system controls dreams?
Do you know that it als is te base center of ptsd?
Do you know that reaper indoctrination takes control of the limbic system first?

How is that relevant, like, at all?

The fact that the reapers can mainipulate and force dreams is not relivent to a person who has been in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years?

No, because Shepard isn't being remotely manipulated. If the Reapers had this kind of control they would do something more useful than making her dream about some irrelevant kid.

Plus, her concern about the child extends beyond these dreams. She speaks to Garrus and Liara about the event. 

1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

[Herr_Fritz]

Icinix wrote...

Herr_Fritz wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Herr_Fritz wrote...

I have this strange feeling that most of us would have a different opinion of the child and his death if it weren't for the events at the end...

Not really. Even early trailers with the kid well before release had people groaning about an emotional scenario of a child being forced upon the player.

I tend to stay away from trailers, (Damn movie trailer spoilers) so if this was the case I was unaware.

Ahh well then, you missed many new threads and many long winded posts about forcing an emotional response from players by killing a kid etc - generally much distaste and many hoping it wasn't going to be forced in the game too much.

There was also many posts about how the kid wasn't real and was a sign of indoctrination or a hallucination and so on.

Pretty much the same thing going on now, only this happened in early - mid 2011.

Alright, rephrase that to 'some of us'.

Now, of all the players out there how many frequented the boards pre-release and discussed the trailers?

How much do you think the average player's reaction to the child/death recurring scenerio was influenced by the ending?

[Ridwan]

Relevant.

[dreman9999]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

XJ347 wrote...

It was forced and felt out of place.

Do you know that the limbic system controls dreams?
Do you know that it als is te base center of ptsd?
Do you know that reaper indoctrination takes control of the limbic system first?

How is that relevant, like, at all?

The fact that the reapers can mainipulate and force dreams is not relivent to a person who has been in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years?

No, because Shepard isn't being remotely manipulated. If the Reapers had this kind of control they would do something more useful than making her dream about some irrelevant kid.

Plus, her concern about the child extends beyond these dreams. She speaks to Garrus and Liara about the event. 

1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time

It varies.

2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.

They aren't influencing Shepard by causing these dreams, they do nothing to further the Reapers' goal. 

3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the childis not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

There's no proof that he's not real, so the point is irrelevant.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

Who are they decieving, how, and why?

Shepard is dreaming about a kid because she focuses her uncertainty over this war on him. It's a natural process, and it makes perfect sense, even though I can't agree with its inclusion from an omniscient reader stand-point.  

There's no reason to believe it's the Reapers manipulating her, you're looking for more meaning in something that has none, you're grasping at straws, and your summation of dreams and the limbic system is woefully simplistic.

[Swimming Ferret]

M25105 wrote...



Relevant.

IT'S A KID. OMFG I'M SCARRED FOR LIFE. MUST HAVE DREAMS ABOUT IT. I'M SAD BECAUSE I SHOULD BE OVER ONE KID. ARGRGHAJKSJKLDLA!!!1!!!11!!!eleven!!! *add more angst.*


Jokes aside, this hits it on the head. It makes no damn sense if you are playing a dick renegade.

[loungeshep]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Have you actually been in a real combat situation? Ever?

Yes, it's the children that haunt you more than most.

And he actually talked to that Kid, right before.
He wanted to help him, but he couldn't (cause the kid ran away). He failed to help a helpless.
Grown ups are not considered helpless. Children are.

You know what?
Scratch that first question.
Are you a father?

[Swimming Ferret]

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

Modifié par Swimming Ferret, 24 mai 2012 - 11:59 .

[Herr_Fritz]

loungeshep wrote...

Cypher_CS wrote...

Have you actually been in a real combat situation? Ever?

Yes, it's the children that haunt you more than most.

And he actually talked to that Kid, right before.
He wanted to help him, but he couldn't (cause the kid ran away). He failed to help a helpless.
Grown ups are not considered helpless. Children are.

You know what?
Scratch that first question.
Are you a father?

Wait, shouldn't the question be 'Is Shepard a father'?

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time

It varies.

2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.

They aren't influencing Shepard by causing these dreams, they do nothing to further the Reapers' goal. 

3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the childis not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

There's no proof that he's not real, so the point is irrelevant.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

Who are they decieving, how, and why?

Shepard is dreaming about a kid because she focuses her uncertainty over this war on him. It's a natural process, and it makes perfect sense, even though I can't agree with its inclusion from an omniscient reader stand-point.  

There's no reason to believe it's the Reapers manipulating her, you're looking for more meaning in something that has none, you're grasping at straws, and your summation of dreams and the limbic system is woefully simplistic.

1. Base on what the reapers want to use the person for but theimportant one have it applied subtly
2.My point is that they are using the dream to weak Shepards will so they eventully can...That what"STILL IN THE PROCESS OF" means.

3.The mass relay trap and indoctriantion.

Shepardis facing a raceofmachine that can manipulate feelings, dreams and Ideals. And he has been in on and off contact with reaper tech for 3 years. Indoctriantion takescontrol of thevary partof the mind ptsd comes form...And you can't see that the reapers could be trying to indoctrinate him in this manner when theyhavebeen shown to do so in the past?

[Ridwan]

He's not a father. Shepard is the butcher of Torfan and saw humans turn in to liquid at the Collector base, watched how Cerberus turned people into Husk and all other types of nasty stuff.

ONE freaking dumb ass kid, isn't going to give him nightmares. And yes, the kid was dumb, when kids get in trouble, first thing they do is seek out an adult to help them (Work as a teacher, 1st grade and 8th grade). It was a cheap forced manipulation, that mostly backfired.

The stupid dream sequences is one of the things that makes replaying ME 3 so damn irritating.

Modifié par M25105, 24 mai 2012 - 12:04 .

[Bebuse]

The first time around it just felt like a scene from a terrible film. I liked the whispers of dead allies and so on, but the kid just felt out of place. If my Shepard wanted an avatar of what she was fighting for, it would be Liara not some random kid.

All subsequent playthroughs? I get a warm feeling when I see the starbrat burn.

[dreman9999]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

How is that failing? The ideais to trick the player. If the playe rnever figures out what wrong till it's too late then it mean they wrote the indoctriantion well.

[dreman9999]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

M25105 wrote...



Relevant.

IT'S A KID. OMFG I'M SCARRED FOR LIFE. MUST HAVE DREAMS ABOUT IT. I'M SAD BECAUSE I SHOULD BE OVER ONE KID. ARGRGHAJKSJKLDLA!!!1!!!11!!!eleven!!! *add more angst.*


Jokes aside, this hits it on the head. It makes no damn sense if you are playing a dick renegade.

Which iswhy IT fits it so well.

[Ridwan]

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

How is that failing? The ideais to trick the player. If the playe rnever figures out what wrong till it's too late then it mean they wrote the indoctriantion well.

Dude, indoctrination theory isn't real and if Bioware ever made it real it's cause they took an idea the fans came up with and said "Lol, let's just throw them a bone and use their own idea and pretend that's what we were trying to tell all along."

Modifié par M25105, 24 mai 2012 - 12:06 .

[wright1978]

M25105 wrote...



Relevant.

Lol, yep that captures the stupidity of the kid in comparison with previous possible characterisation.

[Archontor]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Have you actually been in a real combat situation? Ever?

Yes, it's the children that haunt you more than most.

And he actually talked to that Kid, right before.
He wanted to help him, but he couldn't (cause the kid ran away). He failed to help a helpless.
Grown ups are not considered helpless. Children are.

You know what?
Scratch that first question.
Are you a father?

 

My Shep was on mindoir and akuze. He saw far worse than a single dead child in both those cases. 

Also "Are you a father" is a pointless question, Sheppard isn't.

[Swimming Ferret]

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

How is that failing? The ideais to trick the player. If the playe rnever figures out what wrong till it's too late then it mean they wrote the indoctriantion well.

Oh great here we go with the 'turn this thread into yet another one saying why this-and-that totally proves I.T" <_<

[avenging_teabag]

And so, the truth is revealed at last:

SHEPARD IS REAPER BOY'S FATHER!

ZOMG!!! Commander, you dog!!!

[dreman9999]

M25105 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

How is that failing? The ideais to trick the player. If the playe rnever figures out what wrong till it's too late then it mean they wrote the indoctriantion well.

Dude, indoctrination theory isn't real and if Bioware ever made it real it's cause they took an idea the fans came up with and said "Lol, let's just throw them a bone and use their own idea and pretend that's what we were trying to tell all along."

If it not real then how and why is TIM controling Shepard and Anderson(who spent the entire game fighting reapers on earth.) at the end of the game?

[dreman9999]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

How is that failing? The ideais to trick the player. If the playe rnever figures out what wrong till it's too late then it mean they wrote the indoctriantion well.

Oh great here we go with the 'turn this thread into yet another one saying why this-and-that totally proves I.T" <_<

I'm not say it proves anything. I'm saying it supports it. The only proof IT has is TIM control Shepard at the end of the game.

[Ridwan]

dreman9999 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

How is that failing? The ideais to trick the player. If the playe rnever figures out what wrong till it's too late then it mean they wrote the indoctriantion well.

Dude, indoctrination theory isn't real and if Bioware ever made it real it's cause they took an idea the fans came up with and said "Lol, let's just throw them a bone and use their own idea and pretend that's what we were trying to tell all along."

If it not real then how and why is TIM controling Shepard and Anderson(who spent the entire game fighting reapers on earth.) at the end of the game?

Cause he had some weird **** done to him, using the stuff he learned from Sanctuary.

[Swimming Ferret]

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

How is that failing? The ideais to trick the player. If the playe rnever figures out what wrong till it's too late then it mean they wrote the indoctriantion well.

Oh great here we go with the 'turn this thread into yet another one saying why this-and-that totally proves I.T" <_<

I'm not say it proves anything. I'm saying it supports it. The only proof IT has is TIM control Shepard at the end of the game.

Then stop trying to shove the thread in that direction, it's annoying. There is a main thread for that.

Honestly, even Bioware said that ****** kid is apparently Shep's total guilt over everyone being too useless to save their own asses, something my renegade wouldn't give a crap about.

Bioware trying to shove grief on the character even if it's out of personality = fail in the RPG department. Mac, go away damnit.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time

It varies.

2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.

They aren't influencing Shepard by causing these dreams, they do nothing to further the Reapers' goal. 

3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the childis not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

There's no proof that he's not real, so the point is irrelevant.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

Who are they decieving, how, and why?

Shepard is dreaming about a kid because she focuses her uncertainty over this war on him. It's a natural process, and it makes perfect sense, even though I can't agree with its inclusion from an omniscient reader stand-point.  

There's no reason to believe it's the Reapers manipulating her, you're looking for more meaning in something that has none, you're grasping at straws, and your summation of dreams and the limbic system is woefully simplistic.

2.My point is that they are using the dream to weak Shepards will so they eventully can...That what"STILL IN THE PROCESS OF" means.

The Reapers indoctrinate people to use as servants and to further their own goals. The process requires some sort of contact with, or for the subject to be in the vacinity of, Reaper technology. Shepard dreams about those she had lost, focusing on the child for obvious reasons, no matter how much it was forced. 

Shepard is not close to Reaper technology for long. The dreams do not weaken Shepard, or further the Reaper's goals in any way. 

3.The mass relay trap and indoctriantion.

What? How is that connected at all?

Shepardis facing a raceofmachine that can manipulate feelings, dreams and Ideals. And he has been in on and off contact with reaper tech for 3 years.

Not really. 

Small amount of contact with Sovereign's wreckage, then breifly with the human Reaper embryo, and then some contact with Object Rho. That's it. 

Indoctriantion takescontrol of thevary partof the mind ptsd comes form...And you can't see that the reapers could be trying to indoctrinate him in this manner when theyhavebeen shown to do so in the past?

No, I don't see how they're trying to indoctrinate her when she hasn't been in the situation where they've had the opportunity for the process to start. If the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate Shepard then where's the Reaper technology doing the work?

[dreman9999]

M25105 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...



1. Indocttination is subtle...It takes time.
2. The control of the limbic system that indoctrination has in to to allow the reaper the ability over time to manipulate the victem. Note how the theory is that Shepard is in the process of indoctrination. It simply means that it too early to influance Shepard yet.
3.Your also missing that fact that there is no proof that the child is real. The idea is that it's a trick. Shepard talking about the child is not proof he is real. It's proof Shepard beleives he is real.

Remeber, this is a raceof machine with a history of deception.

I thought Shepard moaning all over the place about the brat was Bioware trying to rail-road us into caring about him and to show 'Shepard's breaking psyche and guilt over all those dead civilians/blargh'. Personally it made me dislike the brat even more. <_<

With this theory, there is a reason why it feels forced.
If your a renagade, you should be the first person to feel that something is wrong.

I think it's just Bioware failing in the writing department again, what with Mac being in charge and trying to make everything sos totally emotional. They have done it an obscene amount of times in ME3.

How is that failing? The ideais to trick the player. If the playe rnever figures out what wrong till it's too late then it mean they wrote the indoctriantion well.

Dude, indoctrination theory isn't real and if Bioware ever made it real it's cause they took an idea the fans came up with and said "Lol, let's just throw them a bone and use their own idea and pretend that's what we were trying to tell all along."

If it not real then how and why is TIM controling Shepard and Anderson(who spent the entire game fighting reapers on earth.) at the end of the game?

Cause he had some weird **** done to him, using the stuff he learned from Sanctuary.

Weird stuff dealing with control beings who are indoctrinated that is...
So TIM has tech in his body that can control beings that are indoctrianted , his soldiers and Husk, but suddenly he controls Shepard and Anderson......What does that mean?