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[Statue]

It is odd to not have a healer. You get to choose 4 for your party from a selection of characters with skills that range from tanking, healing, crowd-controlling, and dps-ing. Not choosing to have one of the four in your party able to heal is asking for trouble, same as not having anyone that can do damage or not having anyone that can take damage.



There are players doing ok without a conventional mix of abilities in their party, but if you are having trouble and you're using an unconventional mix it may well be a large part of the issue.

[Skellimancer]

Trajan60 wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

Gecon wrote...

I keep being amazed at people who seriously try to play without a healer.

Of course you're crippled. That goes without saying. Its insanely obvious.

Then why have a option in which places to go? Just have a message in the game that says:

HAVE WYNNE IN YOUR PARTY OR YOU ARE ****ED!

Didn't go to Circle Tower first? Sorry, restart the game!

This isn't just Revenants. One boss battle I couldn't complete because I ran out of health poultices by the time I got to the end and had no healer. It was impossible to do unless I reloaded an earlier save went all the baaaaaaaaaaaack to the damn party camp to buy more distillation agents........go all the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back to the Dalish camp to buy more elfroots. Stupid.

Wynne isn't the only one who can learn Heal though, it's a Tier One spell and goes a long way towards keeping people standing. 

If I put Morrigan's points into healing then I have no CC. Forcefield and Cone of Cold are what I get with her first 2 spell points. I wasn't playing a Mage.

You have a mage and you can't kill a Revenant? cone of cold much?

[oFallenAngel]

You are in no way crippled by playing without a healer, it's just not as lol-easy-mode-in-nightmare as with one. Some of us have no trouble with no-mage parties at all(I never made or bought so much as a single potion either, on the contrary I tend to sell them), just takes more player skill and micromanaging.

[Trajan60]

ambystrom wrote...

Gecon wrote...

I keep being amazed at people who seriously try to play without a healer.

Of course you're crippled. That goes without saying. Its insanely obvious.

Morrigan with some well played CC tactics can be just as good as a healer PC or Wynne.

They just nerfed all those good spells. I'll try it again with the pre-1.02 spells mod but it will feel like cheating now.

[Trajan60]

Skellimancer wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

Gecon wrote...

I keep being amazed at people who seriously try to play without a healer.

Of course you're crippled. That goes without saying. Its insanely obvious.

Then why have a option in which places to go? Just have a message in the game that says:

HAVE WYNNE IN YOUR PARTY OR YOU ARE ****ED!

Didn't go to Circle Tower first? Sorry, restart the game!

This isn't just Revenants. One boss battle I couldn't complete because I ran out of health poultices by the time I got to the end and had no healer. It was impossible to do unless I reloaded an earlier save went all the baaaaaaaaaaaack to the damn party camp to buy more distillation agents........go all the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back to the Dalish camp to buy more elfroots. Stupid.

Wynne isn't the only one who can learn Heal though, it's a Tier One spell and goes a long way towards keeping people standing. 

If I put Morrigan's points into healing then I have no CC. Forcefield and Cone of Cold are what I get with her first 2 spell points. I wasn't playing a Mage.

You have a mage and you can't kill a Revenant? cone of cold much?

I didn't have cone of cold yet. This was early in the game.

Modifié par Trajan60, 10 décembre 2009 - 03:14 .

[Jonfon_ire]

Trajan60 wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...


Wynne isn't the only one who can learn Heal though, it's a Tier One spell and goes a long way towards keeping people standing. 

If I put Morrigan's points into healing then I have no CC. Forcefield and Cone of Cold are what I get with her first 2 spell points. I wasn't playing a Mage.

Well if she's only levelled twice then you're what, level 8 or so? In that case you probably aren't powerful enough to take on one of the toughest optional enemies in the game yet. 

If it's not one of the optional ones then he's actually weaker than normal Revs and there's ways to make the fight easier. Can't go into more detail without Spoilers.

Modifié par Jonfon_ire, 10 décembre 2009 - 03:17 .

[Trajan60]

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...


Wynne isn't the only one who can learn Heal though, it's a Tier One spell and goes a long way towards keeping people standing. 

If I put Morrigan's points into healing then I have no CC. Forcefield and Cone of Cold are what I get with her first 2 spell points. I wasn't playing a Mage.

Well if she's only levelled twice then you're what, level 8 or so? In that case you probably aren't powerful enough to take on one of the toughest optional enemies in the game yet.

I would say that's a flaw in the game design then. Those encounters shouldn't be playable unless you reach a certain level is my point. At the time I attempted the first Revenant I had no healer, some health poultices and only force field as crowd control. This was one of the optional ones, though.

Modifié par Trajan60, 10 décembre 2009 - 03:21 .

[SheffSteel]

It sounds like your problem is that you went into an optional battle without adequate preparation.

When you see a phylactery, you should take a good look at your party - including stocks of potions and poisons, currently available spells, etc. - and think about whether or not you want to tackle it now. You can - generally speaking - come back to it. If for some reason you can't, such as being on a random encounter (ambush) map, then yes lowering the difficulty may be your only option.

[kevinwastaken]

I like the Revenant encounters. They are tough or impossible at early levels but you can come back in time and they are easy.



I think having every encounter level with the player would be boring.

[Staylost]

Ummm.. why isn't this in the spoiler forum?

[Skellimancer]

Trajan60 wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...


Wynne isn't the only one who can learn Heal though, it's a Tier One spell and goes a long way towards keeping people standing. 

If I put Morrigan's points into healing then I have no CC. Forcefield and Cone of Cold are what I get with her first 2 spell points. I wasn't playing a Mage.

Well if she's only levelled twice then you're what, level 8 or so? In that case you probably aren't powerful enough to take on one of the toughest optional enemies in the game yet.

I would say that's a flaw in the game design then. Those encounters shouldn't be playable unless you reach a certain level is my point. At the time I attempted the first Revenant I had no healer, some health poultices and only force field as crowd control.

Should have taken Cone of Cold.

[Jonfon_ire]

Trajan60 wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...


Wynne isn't the only one who can learn Heal though, it's a Tier One spell and goes a long way towards keeping people standing. 

If I put Morrigan's points into healing then I have no CC. Forcefield and Cone of Cold are what I get with her first 2 spell points. I wasn't playing a Mage.

Well if she's only levelled twice then you're what, level 8 or so? In that case you probably aren't powerful enough to take on one of the toughest optional enemies in the game yet.

I would say that's a flaw in the game design then. Those encounters shouldn't be playable unless you reach a certain level is my point. At the time I attempted the first Revenant I had no healer, some health poultices and only force field as crowd control.

No offense but I'd say it's a flaw in your understanding of what optional means. Do it once, die horribly, decide "Hmmm. Maybe I'll leave that alone for now so until I'm a bit stronger"

[OneBadAssMother]

All he has to do is get 1 spell, misdirection hex. Then in the near future, he'll prolly find himself laughing at all the newbies who can't beat revenants. xD

[JessicaGlenn]

Then buy her a tome and learn a heal spell for her.

[Skellimancer]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

All he has to do is get 1 spell, misdirection hex. Then in the near future, he'll prolly find himself laughing at all the newbies who can't beat revenants. xD

Bloody overpowered Mages

[fro7k]

Gecon wrote...

I keep being amazed at people who seriously try to play without a healer.

Of course you're crippled. That goes without saying. Its insanely obvious.

Thing is sometimes you have your favourite characters and you want to not miss out on any of their dialog.  I invested Morrigan heavily on the damage front.  Wynne is an amazing healer that makes battles a lot less of a chore (almost too much so) but I don't like her as much as the others I've chosen to stick with.

[Blue_dodo]

Trajan60 wrote...

ambystrom wrote...

Gecon wrote...

I keep being amazed at people who seriously try to play without a healer.

Of course you're crippled. That goes without saying. Its insanely obvious.

Morrigan with some well played CC tactics can be just as good as a healer PC or Wynne.

They just nerfed all those good spells. I'll try it again with the pre-1.02 spells mod but it will feel like cheating now.

I don't know 20 second freeze for blizzard,a spell that already reduces speed can cause slipping and can be combined to on of the most damage dealing spells, was a bit over top then again nerfing it to four seconds is equally extreme I'd say that 10 seconds would be more realistic.

[igniteip]

To beat a Revenant, have everyone shoot it using range weapon.

[Koralis]

Trajan60 wrote...

Gecon wrote...

I keep being amazed at people who seriously try to play without a healer.

Of course you're crippled. That goes without saying. Its insanely obvious.

Then why have a option in which places to go? Just have a message in the game that says:

HAVE WYNNE IN YOUR PARTY OR YOU ARE ****ED!

Didn't go to Circle Tower first? Sorry, restart the game!

This isn't just Revenants. One boss battle I couldn't complete because I ran out of health poultices by the time I got to the end and had no healer. It was impossible to do unless I reloaded an earlier save went all the baaaaaaaaaaaack to the damn party camp to buy more distillation agents........go all the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back to the Dalish camp to buy more elfroots. Stupid.

I don't use Wynn.  I do fine.

But, I have Paralyze, Mass Paralysis, Cone of Cold, Walking Bomb, etc.  Ways to make sure that you and your party are doing damage faster than they are.


Rapid Fire + Supressing Fire is surprisingly effective.  Miasma is great (and VERY useful for running away from revenants after they PULL you.)

[-Solrek-]

First off I think Morrigan (if you make her a healer) is just as good as Wynne because of her crowd control, which does a lot to reduce incoming damage. Note, going deep into healing is overkill. I did that with Wynne and it ruined the game.

My first play-through I started on Hard. I wanted to be an Arcane Warrior so I went straight to Brecilian to unlock it. I got my ass kicked by Revenants a couple times. Once you bring a "classic" setup to the battle (Tank, Healer, DPS) they are easy, and the rest of the game becomes easy from that lesson too. My second play-through they don't even come close to beating me.

And someone said they one-shot pull their mage? I never had that happen. If he pulls my mage I immediately Taunt with my Tank or DPS warrior and he forgets about my mage. Worse comes to worse, put him in a Forcefield and heal the party up then continue.

Modifié par -Solrek-, 10 décembre 2009 - 07:35 .

[montana_boy]

Trajan60 wrote...

So after attempting one ten times and finding out it is impossible to kill with the current party members and spells I have unless I downgrade the difficulty to easy the game's difficulty is still scaling stupidly. If I have to change to the difficulty to get through one encounter something is wrong.

"Revenants." When I first came across one got my entire party wiped in about 30 secs.  Re-loaded and made sure my tank had all the life potions in my inventory.  I set my other 3 party members at range and used the tank to hold the Revenants aggro on him.  My ranged characters kept chipping away on him whle my tank rooted him on the spot.  Worked great.

However what drives me nuts is when a Revenant spawns into the game with a gob of helpers... these are almost impossible fights (for me) and on my first play through I am just avoiding them.

Modifié par montana_boy, 10 décembre 2009 - 07:28 .

[KatzBlackblade]

I've played my first playthrough with Morrigan as my only mage, and a Dual-wielding warrior as my tank. It does help to have her take the first healing spell, but anyway, I couldn't get the optional revenants when I met them around level 8. I had to come back for them around end game. I don't mind it, though. It's great to have recent games that won't cut all the work down for you ! It's just the same in BG2, or FF7. Some optional bosses you might not want to fight until you are strong enough to !

[Handmade]

Revenants are ******.

[thegreateski]

Handmade wrote...

Revenants are ******.

They are indeed.

/Cast misdirection hex

[highcastle]

I took down my first two revenants without a healer because I hadn't unlocked Wynne yet. It can be done, it's just hard. My party consisted of my mage, Sten, Alistair, and Zevran. I set Sten and Alistair close to the revenant, Zev back-stabbed and used a bow, and I chipped away at him with lightning and shock. Just be careful not to deal more damage than your tanks, or the revenant will fixate on you. That happened to me the first time I fought one. I ended up with everyone falling but Sten.



The revenant battles are tough, but they're supposed to be. And they're optional, so as others said, just come back later if it's too much now.