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[Aurica]

poundoffleshaa wrote...

Keeping people interested in MP means more Micro-transactions.

+1   

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Since when are you a Mod? (As in: In ANY position to tell people to "get lost") Geez!

I was unaware that was a mod priviledge.
I'll tell anyone who openly insults the BioWare of the past by implying they were unprofessional to get lost, thanks. That is completely uncalled for.

Oh, yes, the Bioware of the "past" must be defended at all costs.

I'll just say: Bioware of the past had its fair share of flaws. BG1 is highly overrated for one, IMHO. Main campaign of NWN1 is a joke. Combat system of ME1 is a disaster, the story cliche beyond belief. So yeah, Bioware is still Bioware and still pretty professional.

[shepskisaac]

The Angry One wrote...

You're one to talk. I'm simply spelling things out since some refuse to understand.

It's very simple. I'm not paying a single $ for DLC ^^

[ShepnTali]

Any idea how many wedding rings you can buy at a Vegas pawn shop? Clearly, that's barrel bottom pathetic, but shows how addictions are big money makers. In this case everone's an initial investor, and how exciting a freebie like this is... meh.


I remember my sad Magic the Gathering days. Just one more. Just... one more.

[aaron baba]

Just play the game.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

Oh, yes, the Bioware of the "past" must be defended at all costs.

There is a difference between "defended at all costs" and "open disdain for someone saying they were unprofessional"

By the way I never said BioWare today is unprofessional, just that they are not the same developer that began Mass Effect years ago. They have changed, for the worse.

I'll just say: Bioware of the past had its fair share of flaws. BG1 is highly overrated for one, IMHO. Main campaign of NWN1 is a joke. Combat system of ME1 is a disaster, the story cliche beyond belief. So yeah, Bioware is still Bioware and still pretty professional.

Yeah yeah, ME3's Gears of War combat is sooooo much better. I'll take the variety of ME1 any day, thanks.
BioWare has focused too much on action and let the important things like dialog and player agency slip by.

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You're
one to talk. I'm simply spelling things out since some refuse to
understand.

It's very simple. I'm not paying a single $ for DLC
^^

Neither am I. I just wish people would stop praising BioWare for making it free.
It was always going to be free, and it's free for a very specific reason that has nothing to do with good will.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 mai 2012 - 06:15 .

[Omega2079]

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No. It is not free. It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.
The fact that you may not be one of them doesn't change that THIS IS WHY IT EXISTS.

It. Is. Not. Free. If you wish to continue praising BioWare for false platitudes, go ahead. I will however openly mock you for it.

Would you just take a chill pill already, seriously

Making money is evil, and anyone that would pay for entertainment is a fool, don't you know?

[LinksOcarina]

Jamie9 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

The real BioWare is here. It just grew up and got a job.

You talk like it's an eternal struggle that will lead to defeat, but the reality is, well, the real world sucks right now and people need to make money somehow. 

Actually, I believe we need more consumers who are willing to stand up for themselves. For too long have people rolled over and took whatever the market throws at them.

We need smarter consumers.

I agree.

But smarter consumers need to realize current trends. Fact of the matter is, all companies are doing this and it won't stop, because its starting to make them money after years of taking losses. The economy is a symtom to this behavior, and the consumer base is allowing it because it doesn't mind the behavior.

So current trends are going for this. When I play the multiplayer I don't buy packs with real cash, I grind like everyone I know because we are smarter than that. So if you really want to stand up for yourself, it's not a case of downloading the pack, its a caseof not using the microtransaction function. We can debate all day on if its free or not, and if BioWare lost their way, but if you really want to fight back, than don't use real money and it will be sucked dry and downsized.

Smart consumers are good. But informed consumers are more equipped to make actually understand why its happening, and why it won't change for some time. 

[LinksOcarina]

The Angry One wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

The real BioWare is here. It just grew up and got a job.

You talk like it's an eternal struggle that will lead to defeat, but the reality is, well, the real world sucks right now and people need to make money somehow. 

Are you implying that the BioWare that released Baldur's Gate, KotOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, wasn't "professional"?

We're done here. Get lost.

No, i'm implying that the image of BioWare you have is no different than the BioWare that existed ten years ago. 

Of course they are a professional, it's called an analogy, something that you are fond of what I remember. Maybe you should look for them instead of being hostile automatically.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 24 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[shepskisaac]

The Angry One wrote...

Neither am I. I just wish people would stop praising BioWare for making it free.
It was always going to be free, and it's free for a very specific reason that has nothing to do with good will.

Freemuim model is simply better than paid DLC/P2P. So why shouldn't we praise Bioware?

[CroGamer002]

Mr.House wrote...
And how many hours did you put in tryign to get the new stuff? Do you still have new stuff to unlock? That's the issue. They give us a new cake that looks great for free, then they tell us we have to buy each slice despite the fact it was a free cake.

I got majority of the DLC stuff.

I'm actually missing more stuff from the main game.

But I can still get those stuff for free.


And it's not really a bad thing since it is an option.

Yo can't afford to pay for those stuff but you really love the game.
Play a lot of it and you'll get those stuff eventually.


You have money and want to pay for to get those stuff to get it earlier?
There's that that option too.


So it's a fair game.

Better then making it 15$ DLC like Activision does, period.

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah yeah, ME3's Gears of War combat is sooooo much better. I'll take the variety of ME1 any day, thanks.
BioWare has focused too much on action and let the important things like dialog and player agency slip by.

The combat of GoW and ME3 have little to nothing in common.

WHAT variety in ME1? The pathetic covering? The horrid targeting for powers? The lack of balance?

ME3 offers way more variety than ME2 did. (ME2's combat WAS too streamlined while ME1's was a convoluted mess)

ME1 dialogue....eh....yeah, I sure miss Marc Meer's static voice acting, ahem. Or the stilted conversations on the Normandy....

The familiarity and affection shown in ME3 mean way more to me & my Shep.

All that said, I enjoy ME1 myself. But put it on a pedestal like that? Uh, no.

[hoorayforicecream]

The number one factor in selling paid DLC is keeping the game installed on the user's console/computer. The microtransactions have obviously been lucrative - they're most likely what's paying for the extended cut, as well as other future DLC.

[AxisEvolve]

IsaacShep wrote...
Would you just take a chill pill already, seriously

Every time I see you post you're arguing with TAO or someone else who holds a different opinion than your own. If it bothers you so much, ignore it? Or accept that a community with thousands of members will hold views that differ from yours? Or not?

I don't get why "model citizens" get so offended at fans who provide honest feedback to Bioware. I just don't get it. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 24 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[GarethJShep]

Because Bioware are awesome!

[M920CAIN]

It ain't free. People have to unlock the stuff. To unlock the stuff you have to play. To unlock everything you have to play a lot. Some people won't wait and will PAY to buy stuff faster. Microtransactions in this case is similar to gambling your money away, only with no actual possibility of winning anything of a material fashion. Savy?

[psrz]

JasonSic wrote...

[...]

And it's not gambling, you always get something out of the packs.
[...]

You get random stuff. Even when paying real money. Considering most of the time you get garbage/unwanted stuff, so odds are against you,  how is not a friggin gamble ?

[AndreasShepard]

Because the multiplayer updates are not substantial enough to charge for and the extended cut will hopefully quell the angry fan base by being both free and good quality.

[Persephone]

Omega2079 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No. It is not free. It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.
The fact that you may not be one of them doesn't change that THIS IS WHY IT EXISTS.

It. Is. Not. Free. If you wish to continue praising BioWare for false platitudes, go ahead. I will however openly mock you for it.

Would you just take a chill pill already, seriously

Making money is evil, and anyone that would pay for entertainment is a fool, don't you know?

Making money, ambition and pragmatism are pure EVIL.

Unless something is PURELY a gesture of "good will" or an "apology", it's just another ploy by Bioware to mind control us.

Well, sorry, I don't care if people use real money to get their stuff. I won't and that's what matters & I'm glad the option exists.

Modifié par Persephone, 24 mai 2012 - 06:24 .

[SirCroft]

The Angry One wrote...

No. It is not free. It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.
The fact that you may not be one of them doesn't change that THIS IS WHY IT EXISTS.

It. Is. Not. Free. If you wish to continue praising BioWare for false platitudes, go ahead. I will however openly mock you for it.

Can I mock you for overreacting? The DLC is free. Why? Because you don't have to pay for it. It's that simple. Regardless of the people choosing to pay for the locked content.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

The combat of GoW and ME3 have little to nothing in common.

Aside from being exactly alike, no, not at all.

WHAT variety in ME1? The pathetic covering? The horrid targeting for powers? The lack of balance?

Targetting was fine to me. Yes, you didn't rely on covering for everything. Oh no. We had the Mako, we had actual decent side quests.

ME3 offers way more variety than ME2 did. (ME2's combat WAS too streamlined while ME1's was a convoluted mess)

With what? The fetch quests?

ME1 dialogue....eh....yeah, I sure miss Marc Meer's static voice acting, ahem.

Don't play ManShep. Still consider Meer to have as much ability to emote as Shepard as an inanimate carbon rod.
So... /care?

Or the stilted conversations on the Normandy....

Seriously? Compared to what? The awkward no cutscene, no options dialogue in ME3?

The familiarity and affection shown in ME3 mean way more to me & my Shep.

Only due to previously established characters.

All that said, I enjoy ME1 myself. But put it on a pedestal like that? Uh, no.

Compared to ME3? ME1 is perfection incarnate.
And because I know you'll misinterpret that I am well aware of ME1's heavy flaws.

[Siansonea]

The multiplayer DLCs are free for a very good reason: It's hard to program it so that people without the DLC can play with others who do have the DLC, and if people can't play together unless they have the exact same DLC, then that severely restricts the pool of potential players, making it more difficult to fill lobbies. Free DLC is easier to implement, it's essentially an update, and it could potentially promote goodwill amongst the players. At this point multiplayer is the only thing holding this franchise together, for many of us the single-player game is pretty much a done deal.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 24 mai 2012 - 06:25 .

[Aurica]

JasonSic wrote...

 Multiplayer DLC is free because:

A) It will keep people interested in Mass Effect 3, and it ties into the story somewhat.
They still make money off it through Micro-transactions.

The Extended Cut is free and even happening because:

A) The fan uproar.
It will keep people interested in Mass Effect 3

The rest of this post is my opinion / theory / idea or whatever...

They are siphoning the DLC out little by little, because it's all part of their 'master plan' which ends with a secret final battle DLC. Also, what's up with you people who think it's so bad to have micro-transactions? (Mainly you, The Angry One). I think it's great that the DLC is free. And it is FREE. No one is forcing you to spend real money, that is your choice. And it's not gambling, you always get something out of the packs. And playing the game, to aquire in-game credits to spend on packs, it's still free! It's fake money that is aquired by having fun! Would you rather the DLC be $10 or $15? I'm guessing you wouldn't care, The Angry One, since you don't even play MP apparently, and you shouldn't care.

The End

There is also  a side-effect from all this.   If MP DLC (free or not) is much more lucrative & there are enough impatient players who would shower EA BW with cash to unlock guns / character cards.  Then high chances are this is what EA BW will gravitate towards in the future.  We probably wouldn't see much future SP DLC, if any.


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[SimplePlan2k8]

Because making people pay for items that are then entered into a lottery system is plain insulting to your fanbase. Simple really