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[Thorn Harvestar]

Soilworker77 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Soilworker77 wrote...

Am I one of the few that remembers the time when DLC's were free? I'm just happy that I don't have to pay for a few new weapons, new characters, new maps or whatever... Sadly, they always want to squeeze out every little penny of you these days...

(By "them" I mean the game companies these days)

Depends... I remember when games had "Expansion Packs"  for anywhere from $10-$30.

I started gaming online with my console shortly before Halo 2 launched, and the DLC for Halo 2 typically costed money (exception was in one case, DLC was subsidized by Mountain Dew).

Yeah and back then an Expansion Pack was full of new stuff, not like today's small part DLC's...
As long as it's an Expansion Pack that is loaded with a lot of new things to play around with (and that it's well made) I would pay for it, but when it comes to small DLC's, that's a no-go in my opinion.

But if DLCs contain a fraction of the content of an Expansion for a reasonable fraction of the price, I am OK with that.

[CR121691]

I cannot understand why some people are still complaining about this. Yes ofcourse it is not 100% free. The free part is the two new maps and you have to pay for the weapons and characters if you want them. If you don't want them you can still enjoy two FREE new maps. You are not forced to pay for new weapons and characters.

[Cutlass Jack]

cndman wrote...

I mean, first the resurgance pack, now the rebellion pack? Did they already have this stuff developed previously, and are now siphoning it out little by little to keep people interested? Are they actually developing new maps and giving them away for free? Why? They arent making any money off of it. And they have already announced that the Extended Cut DLC will be free also. I dont get it. They will have been releasing DLC for 6 months with no attempt to make any profit. I'm certianly not complainin, as I already shelled out $70 on the first day for the crappy prothean DLC that should have been included in the game in the first place. But I still dont understand the logistics of them giving away extra content for free.

Bioware is giving you a pony. You should check its teeth.

[Dutch105]

Opsrbest wrote...
With the predicated nature of IDT, or at least Biowares interest in it, it is entirely possible.

Haha, absolutely no way that is true. Trolling at its best though, surely.

[Thorn Harvestar]

Opsrbest wrote...

With the predicated nature of IDT, or at least Biowares interest in it, it is entirely possible.

Anything is possible, sure, but I find the supporting evidence for "The Truth" to be non-existant, and the same goes for that "Mass Shift" rumor.

Here's what "The Truth" leak said:

It’s called The Truth and it’s being released in April or May. You WILL be able to continue the story if you picked any of the endings. Your decision during that sequence will have a big effect on your ending of The Truth. The Truth adds two new sets of enemies, new classes, and multiplayer maps including “Firebase Hive”, which is a small area of the last remaining collector ship included in the DLC, which, by the way you should definitely bring Javik the Prothean along if you have him.

The picture here shows some of the leaked multiplayer classes and races. One race that isn’t shown is the Prothean Adept and Vanguard. This DLC also enables the ability for owners of the preorder and From Ashes DLC to find their DLC weapons in reinforcement packs.

The only detailed part of this that has come true to date is the part I bolded, where the "picture" referenced is from the "Resurgence" leak on Facebook. Everything original that this rumor mentions in any detail is something we've seen no evidence of. 

We'll see what the future holds, but I just wouldn't place a stake in this rumor as things currently stand.

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 24 mai 2012 - 08:47 .

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, but you are incapable of discussing this without emotional outbursts.

If what I said counts as an "emotional outburst" then so does what you said, you know.

It doesn't matter to ME what YOU wanted ME3 to be. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Am I sorry you didn't enjoy it more? Yes. Keep mocking something I love because you didn't get what you wanted or felt entitled to. Your rinse repeating of overblown melodrama and blatant distortions won't change this.

Whether you love it or not does not change the facts of the situation. Mac Walters did take player agency away. He did disrespect the characters and hung them out to dry. He did give us an unsatisfying ending.
Nihilism is not satisfying. If you're one of the people who like nihilism, well good for you, but Mass Effect was never about nihilism, it was about hope, and victory  over the odds.

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, but you are incapable of discussing this without emotional outbursts.

If what I said counts as an "emotional outburst" then so does what you said, you know.

It doesn't matter to ME what YOU wanted ME3 to be. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Am I sorry you didn't enjoy it more? Yes. Keep mocking something I love because you didn't get what you wanted or felt entitled to. Your rinse repeating of overblown melodrama and blatant distortions won't change this.

Whether you love it or not does not change the facts of the situation. Mac Walters did take player agency away. He did disrespect the characters and hung them out to dry. He did give us an unsatisfying ending.
Nihilism is not satisfying. If you're one of the people who like nihilism, well good for you, but Mass Effect was never about nihilism, it was about hope, and victory  over the odds.

Whether you love ME1 or not...etc. We can play this game all day. There are no more "facts" in your opinion than in mine. It may be true in your case but in my case player agency was ever present. I was amazed by the character writing (Except the Catalyst & parts of TIM) and I enjoyed the Control Ending. I still think the endings need work and they'll get it.

You think ME's ending was NIHILISTIC?

Don't use the big words unless....ya know? If THAT was nihilistic to you, I envy you re: your idealism. 'cause ME3's endings aren't nihilistic.

Hope........victory. So a happy ending and glorious hero pandering.......ah, sorry, getting a bit snarky there. My inner Loghain fangal, never mind her. I'd have liked that to be an OPTION myself. And chances are we'll still get a scenario like that. However, who are YOU to define what ME was all about to begin with? At what makes your opinion more legit than anyone else's again?

[Sesshomaru47]

poundoffleshaa wrote...

Keeping people interested in MP means more Micro-transactions.

People spend actual money on MP? Even though it's unlock system is about the stupidest I have ever seen in my entire life. Really?

[razor150]

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, but you are incapable of discussing this without emotional outbursts.

If what I said counts as an "emotional outburst" then so does what you said, you know.

It doesn't matter to ME what YOU wanted ME3 to be. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Am I sorry you didn't enjoy it more? Yes. Keep mocking something I love because you didn't get what you wanted or felt entitled to. Your rinse repeating of overblown melodrama and blatant distortions won't change this.

Whether you love it or not does not change the facts of the situation. Mac Walters did take player agency away. He did disrespect the characters and hung them out to dry. He did give us an unsatisfying ending.
Nihilism is not satisfying. If you're one of the people who like nihilism, well good for you, but Mass Effect was never about nihilism, it was about hope, and victory  over the odds.

Whether you love ME1 or not...etc. We can play this game all day. There are no more "facts" in your opinion than in mine. It may be true in your case but in my case player agency was ever present. I was amazed by the character writing (Except the Catalyst & parts of TIM) and I enjoyed the Control Ending. I still think the endings need work and they'll get it.

You think ME's ending was NIHILISTIC?

Don't use the big words unless....ya know? If THAT was nihilistic to you, I envy you re: your idealism. 'cause ME3's endings aren't nihilistic.

Hope........victory. So a happy ending and glorious hero pandering.......ah, sorry, getting a bit snarky there. My inner Loghain fangal, never mind her. I'd have liked that to be an OPTION myself. And chances are we'll still get a scenario like that. However, who are YOU to define what ME was all about to begin with? At what makes your opinion more legit than anyone else's again?

She is quite accurate in calling the ending nihilistic.

Definition
1.  total rejection of established laws and institutions. 
2.  anarchy, terrorism, or other revolutionary activity. 
3.  total and absolute destructiveness, especially toward the world at large and including oneself: the power-mad nihilism that marked Hitler's last years. 
4.  Philosophy . a. 
an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b.  nothingness or nonexistence. 
a.  an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth. 
b. nothingness or nonexistence. 
5. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the principles of a Russian revolutionary group, active in the latter half of the 19th century, holding that existing social and political institutions must be destroyed in order to clear the way for a new state of society and employing extreme measures, including terrorism and assassination.

[Persephone]

razor150 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, but you are incapable of discussing this without emotional outbursts.

If what I said counts as an "emotional outburst" then so does what you said, you know.

It doesn't matter to ME what YOU wanted ME3 to be. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Am I sorry you didn't enjoy it more? Yes. Keep mocking something I love because you didn't get what you wanted or felt entitled to. Your rinse repeating of overblown melodrama and blatant distortions won't change this.

Whether you love it or not does not change the facts of the situation. Mac Walters did take player agency away. He did disrespect the characters and hung them out to dry. He did give us an unsatisfying ending.
Nihilism is not satisfying. If you're one of the people who like nihilism, well good for you, but Mass Effect was never about nihilism, it was about hope, and victory  over the odds.

Whether you love ME1 or not...etc. We can play this game all day. There are no more "facts" in your opinion than in mine. It may be true in your case but in my case player agency was ever present. I was amazed by the character writing (Except the Catalyst & parts of TIM) and I enjoyed the Control Ending. I still think the endings need work and they'll get it.

You think ME's ending was NIHILISTIC?

Don't use the big words unless....ya know? If THAT was nihilistic to you, I envy you re: your idealism. 'cause ME3's endings aren't nihilistic.

Hope........victory. So a happy ending and glorious hero pandering.......ah, sorry, getting a bit snarky there. My inner Loghain fangal, never mind her. I'd have liked that to be an OPTION myself. And chances are we'll still get a scenario like that. However, who are YOU to define what ME was all about to begin with? At what makes your opinion more legit than anyone else's again?

She is quite accurate in calling the ending nihilistic.

3.  total and absolute destructiveness, especially toward the world at large and including oneself: the power-mad nihilism that marked Hitler's last years. 

[/b]

Really, REALLY not. See the example in your own quote. *Headdesks*

Whatever, and people call me a pessimist.

[LucasShark]

Why?

"Please for the love of all that is holy! Don't stop buying our games! The money vampire called EA is feeding upon us!"

[Malanek]

The Angry One wrote...

No. It is not free. It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.
The fact that you may not be one of them doesn't change that THIS IS WHY IT EXISTS.

It. Is. Not. Free. If you wish to continue praising BioWare for false platitudes, go ahead. I will however openly mock you for it.

Haven't read this whole thread but just had to address this post. The second, bolded point, is a complete load of rubbish. It IS free if you want it to be. While multiplayer is funded by players buying packs, no one is forcing you to and you still get new content, some immediately while some just comes slower if you don't spend money n it.

[razor150]

Persephone wrote...

razor150 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, but you are incapable of discussing this without emotional outbursts.

If what I said counts as an "emotional outburst" then so does what you said, you know.

It doesn't matter to ME what YOU wanted ME3 to be. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Am I sorry you didn't enjoy it more? Yes. Keep mocking something I love because you didn't get what you wanted or felt entitled to. Your rinse repeating of overblown melodrama and blatant distortions won't change this.

Whether you love it or not does not change the facts of the situation. Mac Walters did take player agency away. He did disrespect the characters and hung them out to dry. He did give us an unsatisfying ending.
Nihilism is not satisfying. If you're one of the people who like nihilism, well good for you, but Mass Effect was never about nihilism, it was about hope, and victory  over the odds.

Whether you love ME1 or not...etc. We can play this game all day. There are no more "facts" in your opinion than in mine. It may be true in your case but in my case player agency was ever present. I was amazed by the character writing (Except the Catalyst & parts of TIM) and I enjoyed the Control Ending. I still think the endings need work and they'll get it.

You think ME's ending was NIHILISTIC?

Don't use the big words unless....ya know? If THAT was nihilistic to you, I envy you re: your idealism. 'cause ME3's endings aren't nihilistic.

Hope........victory. So a happy ending and glorious hero pandering.......ah, sorry, getting a bit snarky there. My inner Loghain fangal, never mind her. I'd have liked that to be an OPTION myself. And chances are we'll still get a scenario like that. However, who are YOU to define what ME was all about to begin with? At what makes your opinion more legit than anyone else's again?

She is quite accurate in calling the ending nihilistic.

3.  total and absolute destructiveness, especially toward the world at large and including oneself: the power-mad nihilism that marked Hitler's last years. 

[/b]

Really, REALLY not. See the example in your own quote. *Headdesks*

Whatever, and people call me a pessimist.

Read the 5th one genius. Pretty much sums up the ending.

5. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the principles of a Russian revolutionary group, active in the latter half of the 19th century, holding that existing social and political institutions must be destroyed in order to clear the way for a new state of society and employing extreme measures, including terrorism and assassination.

If I have to explain why that fits then I just give up.

Modifié par razor150, 24 mai 2012 - 09:45 .

[paralitos]

dont worry they get their money from the booster pack sales, this unlock stuff in MP it's an EA practice, they do something similar in the EA sport's FIFA ... and obviously it has been working well for them

[Peranor]

Am I the only one that found the multiplayer to be rather...dull/uniform?
It was fun for a while, I played it for an hour or two but then grew tired of it. Havent started the game for almost two month now.

Modifié par anorling, 24 mai 2012 - 09:51 .

[TK EL_]

razor150 wrote...

She is quite accurate in calling the ending nihilistic.

Definition
1.  total rejection of established laws and institutions. 
2.  anarchy, terrorism, or other revolutionary activity. 
3.  total and absolute destructiveness, especially toward the world at large and including oneself: the power-mad nihilism that marked Hitler's last years. 
4.  Philosophy . a. 
an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b.  nothingness or nonexistence. 
a.  an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth. 
b. nothingness or nonexistence. 
5. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) the principles of a Russian revolutionary group, active in the latter half of the 19th century, holding that existing social and political institutions must be destroyed in order to clear the way for a new state of society and employing extreme measures, including terrorism and assassination.

Definition 1 also hits the mark

[cerberus1701]

Of course they're free.

They're free to me anyway since all i'm interested in doing is modding them into SP.

[DevilBeast]

The Angry One wrote...

No. It is not free. It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.
The fact that you may not be one of them doesn't change that THIS IS WHY IT EXISTS.

It. Is. Not. Free. If you wish to continue praising BioWare for false platitudes, go ahead. I will however openly mock you for it.

Well, I personally haven´t spend one single penny on it. So, for me it´s free.

[Comguard2]

I like this new system and hope it gets adapted by other games, like CoD or BF, too.

Sounds fair to me. You can pay if you want, but you also get new stuff and maps for free. Publisher earns probably more money because more people are willing to pay smaller amounts of money, but players don't have to. Sounds fair to me.

And yes, I admit, I bought something with mirco-transactions. Out of the reasons described above. "Oh, I bought this game on Arcade, what can I do with those 160 leftover MS-points?". There is a reason they sell them in such uneven numbers.

By the way, today I played a little bit multiplayer. Hadn't touched ME3 after the ending. But now the anger gets slowly replaced by hope. But if this hope is crushed again...Maybe I should do a blind-lets play for the EC, but the camera only observing me

[Maria Caliban]

The Angry One wrote...

It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.

I've spent real money for it. Since when is it foolish to spend money on something you value?

[Morroian]

The Angry One wrote...

I want the real BioWare back. I care. Yes, I'm aware it's already too late. Doesn't change my desires.

Which Bioware is that? The one that lead the industry with DLC for NWN? 

As for the issue about it not being free and BW are somehow bastards for adopting this model, by that logic Arenanet are bastards for not charging a monthly fee for Guild Wars 2 and having an OPTIONAL microtransaction model.

You're basically criticising them for giving away stuff for free and making any payment dependant on the consumer.

Modifié par Morroian, 24 mai 2012 - 10:51 .

[razor150]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.

I've spent real money for it. Since when is it foolish to spend money on something you value?

I've spent money on it too, and it is foolish. Spending real money for virtual items that come in randomnized packs is pretty foolish. It works for EA though, people spend more on the packs than they would on DLC. 

[Maria Caliban]

razor150 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.

I've spent real money for it. Since when is it foolish to spend money on something you value?

I've spent money on it too, and it is foolish. Spending real money for virtual items that come in randomnized packs is pretty foolish. It works for EA though, people spend more on the packs than they would on DLC.

It appears I'm also a fool when I buy Magic: The Gathering packs and boosters.

I've been told I'm foolish to buy video games, comic books, action figures, and even books. It's always the same myopic viewpoint: I don't value X, so X has no value.

[Mandelore]

Perhaps Bioware actually cares about their fans? They could have easily charged/made money off of this.