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[Maria Caliban]

Mandelore wrote...

Perhaps Bioware actually cares about their fans? They could have easily charged/made money off of this.

They are making money off the MP.

Of course, I'm not sure when 'care about fans' meant 'doesn't make any money.' If that's the case, no business has ever cared about its customers.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 mai 2012 - 10:50 .

[Funkdrspot]

The Angry One wrote...

No. It is not free. It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.
The fact that you may not be one of them doesn't change that THIS IS WHY IT EXISTS.

It. Is. Not. Free. If you wish to continue praising BioWare for false platitudes, go ahead. I will however openly mock you for it.

free mappacks benefit the whole community by preventing it from fracturing . cry less

[razor150]

Maria Caliban wrote...

razor150 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.

I've spent real money for it. Since when is it foolish to spend money on something you value?

I've spent money on it too, and it is foolish. Spending real money for virtual items that come in randomnized packs is pretty foolish. It works for EA though, people spend more on the packs than they would on DLC.

It appears I'm also a fool when I buy Magic: The Gathering packs and boosters.

I've been told I'm foolish to buy video games, comic books, action figures, and even books. It's always the same myopic viewpoint: I don't value X, so X has no value.

No, when you buy Magic: The Gathering cards you are buying a tangible item that has real world value. Virtual items have no real world value, especially when you can get them for free just by playing the game.

Modifié par razor150, 24 mai 2012 - 10:54 .

[SNascimento]

It was the same things with ME2... minus the 1-day payed DLC.

[chemiclord]

SNascimento wrote...

It was the same things with ME2... minus the 1-day payed DLC.

Hi.  My name is Zaeed.  Remember me?

[Aurica]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

They're making money off buying the spectre packs.

Yeah people are actually buying them.

Also, maybe damage control over the endings, although I really liked them.

Thank god for FBWGG

[razor150]

chemiclord wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

It was the same things with ME2... minus the 1-day payed DLC.

Hi.  My name is Zaeed.  Remember me?

Zaeed was free unless you bought a used copy.

[Maria Caliban]

razor150 wrote...

No, when you buy Magic: The Gathering cards you are buying a tangible item that has real world value. Virtual items have no real world value, especially when you can get them for free just by playing the game.

I think what you mean is that I could sell a Magic card after I bought it, but its worth has nothing to do with the real world. Its value is decided by its power/usefulness in a game. A Black Lotus has as much real world value as a Black Widow or an Asari Adept unlock.

I could also get a book or DVD for free by going to the library, or I could get dinner for free by cooking it myself. Yet I buy books and go out to restaurants.

Heck, the other day I spent $40 for a manicure and pedicure. Pretty sure I could clip my nails at home. Oh, and a couple of months ago, I spent $80 for a sci-fi/RPG game. It's entertainment, which is a 100% virtual value.

Again, this is just you saying "I don't value X, so X has no value." Alternatively, I do value X, which means my paying money for it makes sense.

[Sreve069]

 its  called a binkybto my kids you insert it they think momma boob and all good its buisiness due to all the issues that EA and aas bioware are having i wish for my 70 bucks tat i coukd buy a game tat doesnt on a midnight release need a upgrade what ever happened to buying a complete product with some stuff later but again its not making me happy when they cant even figure out why my packs are in limbo but every other week u can add packs????? well help me here something still stinks guys dont be a boob any longer lets make a stand for the quality we use to get from Ea
  and i men wallet funds not credits from far away land 

Modifié par Sreve069, 24 mai 2012 - 11:31 .

[hoodaticus]

azerSheppard wrote...

simple:
1. They dun goofed with the ending of the game, and are trying to make up for all the hate
2. $Microtransaction$ > paid dlc
Who the hell but a few players would put down some money for multiplayer dlc? They would dish out for items tho.

Yep.  Those of us with more money than time will gladly pay to avoid the grind.

Of course, that depends on the ending being fixed... I haven't bought anything from EA since.

[stormhit]

The Angry One wrote...

No. It is not free. It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.
The fact that you may not be one of them doesn't change that THIS IS WHY IT EXISTS.

It. Is. Not. Free. If you wish to continue praising BioWare for false platitudes, go ahead. I will however openly mock you for it.

People paying for MP packs are obviously getting something that's worth it to them, while other people are getting content for free.  Everyone wins.  I doubt anyone cares what the BSN's resident Eeyore thinks.

[goose2989]

ArchDuck wrote...

Because they done f**ked up?

It sure isn't out of the goodness of their collective heart. In other words trying to earn back consumer goodwill.

Edit:  And because of what those two above me said. ^^

I don't think they boys and girls at Bioware are completely heartless, but this free DLC is goodwill. Or, at the very least, and attempt to gain it back from fans. The two DLC packs were likely very cheap to develop, almost nothing is spent on advertising, and it gains some trust back from fans. Just don't think they'd be doing all this for free if everyone had loved the ending. I don't think that's cynical, but Bioware wouldn't need to give this away if millions of people were willing to pay for it still 

[Maria Caliban]

goose2989 wrote...


I don't think they boys and girls at Bioware are completely heartless, but this free DLC is goodwill. Or, at the very least, and attempt to gain it back from fans. The two DLC packs were likely very cheap to develop, almost nothing is spent on advertising, and it gains some trust back from fans. Just don't think they'd be doing all this for free if everyone had loved the ending. I don't think that's cynical, but Bioware wouldn't need to give this away if millions of people were willing to pay for it still 

No, the MP DLC has nothing to do with the Ending. The MP DLC is its own money maker. The same with the bi-weekly 'operations' that unlock one of four promotional items. It keeps people engaged with the game, which means they're more likely to spend money on the various packs, and more likely to buy the SP DLC that actually costs money to make with the various cinematics and such.

If you do to the MP forum and complain about the ending, the typical response is GTFO. In general, the MP community aren't the Hold the Line folks and don't seem to be too upset about the ending at all.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[Thorn Harvestar]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mandelore wrote...

Perhaps Bioware actually cares about their fans? They could have easily charged/made money off of this.

They are making money off the MP.

Of course, I'm not sure when 'care about fans' meant 'doesn't make any money.' If that's the case, no business has ever cared about its customers.

Pretty much this

[Thorn Harvestar]

razor150 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

razor150 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It relies on preying upon fools who spend real money for it.

I've spent real money for it. Since when is it foolish to spend money on something you value?

I've spent money on it too, and it is foolish. Spending real money for virtual items that come in randomnized packs is pretty foolish. It works for EA though, people spend more on the packs than they would on DLC.

It appears I'm also a fool when I buy Magic: The Gathering packs and boosters.

I've been told I'm foolish to buy video games, comic books, action figures, and even books. It's always the same myopic viewpoint: I don't value X, so X has no value.

No, when you buy Magic: The Gathering cards you are buying a tangible item that has real world value. Virtual items have no real world value, especially when you can get them for free just by playing the game.

The time you save has real world value.

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 25 mai 2012 - 12:18 .

[KBomb]

Persephone wrote...


Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, but you are incapable of discussing this without emotional outbursts.

It doesn't matter to ME what YOU wanted ME3 to be. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Am I sorry you didn't enjoy it more? Yes. Keep mocking something I love because you didn't get what you wanted or felt entitled to. Your rinse repeating of overblown melodrama and blatant distortions won't change this.

 
QQ at the caps and bold. Tsk, tsk. Your emotional outbursts are showing. I kid. I kid. Maybe...


Why do you care so much about why people hate ME3? I mean, this is an honest question out of genuine curiosity. Every.single.thread where someone bashes or complains about Bioware or ME3, you're there. If those people annoyed you so much and their “emotional outbursts” and nostalgia annoy you so much, wouldn't it be less ...stressful to you not to engage? I mean, every thread...

[Andsmth85]

This really is a non issue , if someone has the money to pay for Mp packs then let them do so in peace for god's sake would you ? I mean its their money not yours right ? Its all about choices people as long as its not YOUR money being used to pay for the packs then its all good , complaining about this just makes you look like a ...... I rather not say :-) .

If complaining was a sport some of you would be winning a bunch of medals right about now.

[Navasha]

MP DLC packs almost have to be free. This is the only way to guarantee that almost everyone has them. Otherwise, you would run into a dwindling number of people that can connect together because their system doesn't contain the new resources needed to display the new models/weapons/races/maps... etc.

They rely on a different business model for generating revenue. Those impatient people who will drop $20-$200 bucks buying bioware points to get the new races right away instead of just relying on grinding away for free points.

[Northern Sun]

I don't have an issue with this "free DLC due to the microtransactions" system. I haven't bought any packs, and I don't have a crisis of conscious with the fact that people who do buy them are essentially buying the DLC for me.

[Kajan451]

cndman wrote...

Are they actually developing new maps and giving them away for free? Why? They arent making any money off of it. And they have already announced that the Extended Cut DLC will be free also. I dont get it. They will have been releasing DLC for 6 months with no attempt to make any profit.

No attempt to make a profit? There are enough Id... i mean to say interested customers that shell out hundred of dollars for each time a new DLC comes out to buy Lottery Tickets to maybe get the stuff they want.

240 Bioware points for a spectre pack in which you might, or might not get what you wanted, for example. They make a damn lot of money. Its a cash cow. People keep puring money into Multiplayer to get their gambling on and maybe fetch a lottery ticket for their items.


Also you cannot create Paid Multiplayer Addons. Its bad for buisness. You have lets say 100 players. Of those 100 only 60 buy the DLC. 40 players have their own reasons why they don't want to buy it (no money, don't think its worth it, or whatever you have), now you only have 60 players who play on the new maps, 40 that play on the old maps. You start to gradually loose the 40 players that don't have the new maps. Why? Because you'll loose players with time anyway, as they get bored or find other things to do, eventually those 40 will have to wait 5+ minutes to get into a game, because 60 others play on the new maps the 40 have no access to. The long waiting time makes even more leave. Eventually you only have the 60 left.

So now you release another DLC. Of those 60 you have left only 40 buy the new DLC..... Do this a couple times and you killed your Muliplayer.


Battlefield 2 died, for the most part, once they released their first addon, when suddenly you wouldn't find games anymore which didn't have the new content. Naturally people will want to play with their new stuff. At the same time the people without access to it, will be standing before closed doors, having a harder time finding games. Bad Ping, long waiting times.. and you loose even more of those people. The number of people upgrading is neglectable, the majority leaves.


Successful Multiplayer Games don't split an ever dwindling community by paid DLCs which prevent their dwindling community to play with each other. You have them spend their cash on other things, or release a new Game after some time.

If your "crowd" is big enough you can do that. As you keep enough players in both areas, those with and those without, but for that you need to be CoD. Maybe Battlefield.. but as i said.. Battlefield 2 died for me when they released the Update with the Grabbling Hook, all of the sudden there were no more games, as everyone played on the new stuff.

[Funkdrspot]

As a PC gamer, i still don't get why people cry about the micro transactions when done tastefully.

Like the extra stuff in TF2. You don't NEED it. The weapons CAN give you a slight tactical advantage but then again so can actually being good at the game. It's mostly for cosmetics.
ME 3 isn't much different. You can take time to unlock the guns/weapons if you want or you can CHOOSE to pay.


I prefer a system like that over one that flat out charges you for map packs because it's totally win/win. Those that WANT to drop cash, can do so. The ones that don't, STILL get something free. The community doesn't fracture itself into those that do and don't have said packs to where EVERYONE has trouble getting a full game.

Modifié par Funkdrspot, 25 mai 2012 - 03:01 .

[Shaoken]

It's profitable in the long run, with micro-transactions making up the losses, and the good press of being a developer who gives away free map packs rather than charging you 1200 MS for each one (*cough cough* Activision who were until earlier this week suing EA).

So a short-term hit for long term benifits. And I thought developers and publishers were insistant on doing it the other way around.

[Raynulf]

cndman wrote...

I mean, first the resurgance pack, now the rebellion pack? Did they already have this stuff developed previously, and are now siphoning it out little by little to keep people interested? Are they actually developing new maps and giving them away for free? Why? They arent making any money off of it. And they have already announced that the Extended Cut DLC will be free also. I dont get it. They will have been releasing DLC for 6 months with no attempt to make any profit. I'm certianly not complainin, as I already shelled out $70 on the first day for the crappy prothean DLC that should have been included in the game in the first place. But I still dont understand the logistics of them giving away extra content for free.

A) As others have said: It's all about microtransactions, and maintaining interest in MP to keep them coming.

 I live in Australia. It's $90 USD for the standard ME3 over here.

[darkchief10]

IsaacShep wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Correction, the DLC is actually paid DLC.

So, when I actually tell you to back up your claims you run to "well, but it's freemium model!" excuse? Just checking!

yeah he does that, my friend just told he's full of ****.