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[CptBomBom00]

I think BW will introduce protheans into MP, but I bet they will come in paid SP DLC, maybe like 10 bucks or more, but right now it wouldn't make sense without ****ing up the story in ME3, also I don't think protheans are such bad idea but they must be introduced properly, also if that happen I wound't mind fighting the collectors as enemies.

As for the SP DLC, I would like us to take Javik to find the crashed prothean ship, which been surrendered by collectors trying to get into it.

[MajesticKill]

Adding protheans to MP.

What people think happens: Breaking lore! Protheans are dead and nothing in my limited imagination can change that

What is actually happening: Bioware is creating lore with their godlike abilities of being able to control the story they created

[Rite All Wrong]

Father Superior wrote...

Rite All Wrong wrote...

You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?

So... I read your wall of text and I can see you've got a lot of ideas and a lot of faith in BW. What I can not see in there however is a single compelling argument for Protheans in MP. 

 

I did not "drink the Kool-aid", the Indoctrination Theory is a completely sound and possible theory. But that is not a discussion for this thread. This thread is about Protheans in Multiplayer and I did not provide an argument for my side because I am not trying to justify putting Protheans into Multiplayer, I am trying to explain why it is unavoidable. EA does not care about the lore and they control whether DLC will be released. They would gladly sell you a placebo as a cancer cure and feel no remorse as you die. But if you truly believe EA gives the slightest of ****s about whether or not you enjoy your game or its lore, then not only have you been drinking the Kool-Aid, you've been snorting the powder.

Well, by Kool-Aid (sorry if you didn't like the metaphor) I didn't necessarily mean the Indoctrination Theory but BioWare's PR. You obviously hold no illusions about EA or how corporations work. On the other hand you absolutely glorify BioWare (a division of a EA) as if they weren't controlled by the same board or stockholders. An artist at BioWare (no matter how talented) is an employee of a corporation. Wheter or not they (the artist) care about lore / your enjoyment is irrelevant. What matters is their board's opinion on what the most profitable course of action is. If you're getting free DLC it's not BioWare being "benevolent" and defying the empire because they care about their fans, it's EA making a business decision. So if you want to give a reason why "Protheans will come to multiplayer, whether you like it or not" you have to explain why it would be profitable to do so. You didn't really get into that. That was my point.

of topic:

Father Superior wrote...
Even with the husk of an ending that
they gave us, they managed to combine their incredible minds to silently
give to us what could be the single greatest feat of storytelling in
the history of literature.

I find this really disturbing tbh. Assuming that wasn't meant to be sarcasm: you really need to read more. And I don't mean Karpyshyn novels or the SP forums.

[Klokos]

I know protheans will never be added, the next DLC will add rachni my dad tolds me, he works at Nintendo.

[KiraTsukasa]

Hey, remember when everyone was saying "protheans will be in the next DLC whether you like it or not"?

El oh el.

[mijames1]

I think it could happen but if everything that happened in this game was money driven by EA then the first 2 DLCs would have cost money.

[buthane22]

Father Superior wrote... 

Thank you for reading.

TL:DR

But yeah, bring Prothy in MP!

[Jebel Krong]

protheans should be in mp because they add another race and variety - gameplay reasons. really that is all the justification that is needed. whilst mp does tie into sp, mp gameplay outweighs any "lore" people want to concoct around sp.

[Rite All Wrong]

mijames1 wrote...

I think it could happen but if everything that happened in this game was money driven by EA then the first 2 DLCs would have cost money.

That's a very simple way to look at it. Free DLC keeps you happy and playing. The game is still selling and while you're happy playing it you're likely to tell your friends about it. On PC for example you're also using Origin when you play and you get to see all the nice offers EA would like you to know about every time you start it. Free DLC may be new and kind of a big deal for EA, but there's this other digital distribution platform that looks strikingly similar to Origin. It has been around for a lot longer and  the people who came up with it have been very successful at making a lot money from sales by keeping their customers happy with free DLC for their games for years now. Unlike EA  they are also really popular. So I believe it's reasonable to assume that more free DLC will be added as long as the gain from increased sales, positive PR and (probably to a lesser extend) micro transactions outweighs the development costs for EA.

tl;dr: free DLC is a marketing tool

Modifié par Rite All Wrong, 25 mai 2012 - 02:00 .

[Nizzemancer]

Jebel Krong wrote...

protheans should be in mp because they add another race and variety - gameplay reasons. really that is all the justification that is needed. whilst mp does tie into sp, mp gameplay outweighs any "lore" people want to concoct around sp.

lol opinions...

[maxtofunator]

Part one; butt-hurt because they didn't get protheans in this pack.
Part two; decides to make a long post about why he believes that a race with only 1 surviving member will arrive in a lore centric multiplayer game.

[Kel Riever]

I have been attacked by a wall of text.

DEMAND PATCH!

[TheMightyG00sh]

So following your logic we will get a naked Yahg, a biotic gof Volus, a spectre Hanar, a shakesperean Ellcor, a green Asari, a camel-toed synthetic, a hungry Varren, a meddlesome pyjak, a giant thorian, an equally large reaper and the Destiny Ascension in MP because, and I quote:"BioWare put alot of effort into their design"

[mrcanada]

knightshieldatr wrote...

I agree. While I value the lore of the main story (and in turn hate the ending for that reason), I would love to see Protheans added to MP. Forcing such strict conformity to the lore just prevents so many fun and neat things that we could experience in MP.

[TheMightyG00sh]

DoctorEss wrote...

PossibleCabbage wrote...

I would prefer they didn't. I like the multiplayer to be consistent with single player lore. The Protheans are all dead, except for Javik. There's no huge cache of them where tens of thousands of people can play with them in multiplayer.

To be honest, I'd prefer they never even found one that was viable to unfreeze.

Prove there aren't any more frozen.

Prove no one can clone them, despite having living Prothean tissue available.

C'mon.  None of the anti-Prothean people can give one good reason.

1. There is a a 1 in 2 chance (given the current sample size of Eden Prime and Ilos) of an archive of stasis pods actually containing ONE single person. Also the odds of such pods existing on a random planet can only be calculate by a modified drale equation. If (AND I DO MEAN IF!) ANY of these archives had living protheans don't you think the AI would've thawed them out of cryogenic stasis and allowed them to rebuild their empire? Also Shepard has scanned hundreds of planets during his journey throughout ME 1, 2 and 3. He now KNOWS a heat signautre of a live Prothean (something Liara already knew BEFORE From Ashes) so don't you think that if they found one they would've investigated, or at least found some during his "touchdown" missions in ME1? Also the likelihood of finding such pods would require extensive search and capture missions, most of which would probably end up being failures with those successful yielding 1-10 prothean at best (if a whole facility was working then the Protheans would have been released. ALso IF any Protheans were found at all they would only be higher ups, scientists who could help configure and build the Crucible or generals who would lead frontline assaults against reapers or help plan the N7 attacks.. N7 is a group of decent ranking elites who are NOT QUITE AT Shepard's level, Protheans would be invaluable to the Resistance and risking THEIR lives would be stupid.

2. Cloning doesn't just happen instantaneously. The war lasted a mere three months which is NO WHERE NEAR enough time to breed Javik clones as well as input them with the information required. The Korlos incident failed to create any Krogan capable of being made into an army. They would fight, but wouldnt' coordinate. They would need a hive mind like the Rachni Queen (technically ALL rachni birthed from one is a clone of her DNA). Without this they would be worthless cannon fodder. Saren succeeded in cloning Krogan but the question is:  how long did it take him? My guess is more than three months... Also all these Protheans would have the same genetic structure as Javik. Lack of variation means one infection could wipe out the entire army or render them useless. Would also require workers to be torn away from Crucible. Council would NEVER authorise such a thing.

There you go two LORE BASED reasons. Have at it...


Oh yeah and whilst we're at it:

Revival: The believe that the Council would have the resources (cost TIM 4 billioni+ credits) and the time (took Cerberus almost two years) to create an army of Protheans. This doesn't even need explaining....

Genetic Re-rewrite. I saw this in another thread. Someone proposed that they could just "rewrite" the collectors back to being Protheans. Do you realise how long it would take to create a strand of DNA that could be used? Mordin said it would be years before the cure to the Genophage was found, he also claiming working around pre-existing genetic modification is more time-consuming. Lack of willing test subjects (collectors) and need for scientists renders this a very unplausible project. Whilst it is unknown how long it did take for the Genophage cure to be created (Saren, Okeer AND Mordin/Maelon all succeeded... well Okeer partially-Grunt was adapted to it-and Saren had reaper tech) it is clear that such a thing most likely wouldn't be possible given the small timescale of the war.

I said this to LiarasShield in a PM but i'm not against Protheans, I just don't see a logical way of bringing back an infinitum of them without breaking lore (all of them connected to the war itself and NOT the Protheans). It is indeed possible for more to still be alive. It is indeed possible for them to be brought back from the dead. It is indeed possible for clones of Javik to be made. It is indeed possible for them to rewrite the Collectors. However NONE of this would be possible due to the war beign but three months long and so brutal that everyone wants it to end as quickly as possible. Perhaps if the war was one or two years then yes but really? I can't think of a single way to bring them back without breaking the lore of the war.

[E71]

Here's a translated summary of OP:

"We'll get Protheans in MP because we'll continue to whine and they will eventually give in."

What part of extinct people don't people understand? An exception was made for ONE character (Javik), that's what makes him special.

Don't forget the conversation Shepard has with him where he asks if there were any other survivors... If we get Protheans in MP, Shepard's response would have to be altered to:

"Well, you were originally the last of your kind but due to some whiners on the Bioware forum, your brothers are all now alive and well."

[Jebel Krong]

E71 wrote...

Here's a translated summary of OP:

"We'll get Protheans in MP because we'll continue to whine and they will eventually give in."

What part of extinct people don't people understand? An exception was made for ONE character (Javik), that's what makes him special.

Don't forget the conversation Shepard has with him where he asks if there were any other survivors... If we get Protheans in MP, Shepard's response would have to be altered to:

"Well, you were originally the last of your kind but due to some whiners on the Bioware forum, your brothers are all now alive and well."

sp =/= mp.

[E71]

Jebel Krong wrote...

sp =/= mp.

But this isn't typical player vs player MP.

This is a coop addon game TIED INTO the SP.

The sooner people realize that the better.

As I've mentioned several times, this MP feature only exists because Bioware likes to deliver the story across various medium (books, comics, SP games, MP game and soon anime apparently).

Modifié par E71, 25 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[TheMightyG00sh]

Jebel Krong wrote...

E71 wrote...

Here's a translated summary of OP:

"We'll get Protheans in MP because we'll continue to whine and they will eventually give in."

What part of extinct people don't people understand? An exception was made for ONE character (Javik), that's what makes him special.

Don't forget the conversation Shepard has with him where he asks if there were any other survivors... If we get Protheans in MP, Shepard's response would have to be altered to:

"Well, you were originally the last of your kind but due to some whiners on the Bioware forum, your brothers are all now alive and well."

sp =/= mp.

sp=mp

see what I did ther e i also gave a bull**** reply without any hard evidence.

[Nitrocuban]

"making sense" and "lore" is overrated tbh
99% of the MP players give s*** bout such kind of things and simply want to have fun playing.
So, instead of more random human chars, please give as Protheans in the next DLC.

[E71]

Nitrocuban wrote...

"making sense" and "lore" is overrated tbh
99% of the MP players give s*** bout such kind of things and simply want to have fun playing.
So, instead of more random human chars, please give as Protheans in the next DLC.

The problem is this MP feature has attracted those kind of players and is now diluting this immersive series. Players that have played one too many games where the MP has nothing to do with the SP so they're effectively trying to break ME's MP off from the story, like a country claiming independence.

[OGWS]

Seer235 wrote...

Time Travel.

Dinosaurs are the new enemy.

Reaper Dinosaurs.

I'd buy that

 Also this

Jebel Krong wrote...

sp =/= mp.

Modifié par OGWS, 25 mai 2012 - 06:50 .

[Felhand]

I read like, six or seven words of that wall of crap and snickered cause you get no protheans this time! Probably never but then again we have cerberus guys that managed to sneak out 'before' indoctrination even as a gaggle of people are parading around screaming that sheperd is indoctrinated

Modifié par Felhand, 25 mai 2012 - 06:57 .

[Malokai The Hallowed]

Ok, most of this thread is TL:DR so I'll try to be short. It took civilized life 50k years to find ONE prothean, right? So to them, it is reasonable that Javik would be the last one. That does NOT mean that they haven't missed some planet/moon with a bunker overloaded with Prothean honeys for Javik that no one knows about. Calling him the last makes perfect sense in light of evidence, but circumstances CAN change, they did once already since we had NO protheans for the first two SP games. Why not just "find" a bunker full on some remote planet, that way we have them in MP, and Javik can finally get some action and stop being such a bitter douche. Everyone wins.

[Vubica]

"Why Protheans Will Come To Multiplayer...." The title made me click here thinking id get a good lol out of it... I sure did....