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[Massakkolia]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I wasn't a big fan of the time skips and the nonsensical limitations they imposed in DA2, but, at the same time, it would have been a pretty ideal setup to include a child.

Yeah, DA2 was Bioware's opportunity to try out family life. They decided not to go there and I doubt that next game will have a similar timeline considering how much criticism they received because of it. It's a shame because a long timeline could be potentially great. Bioware's failure (time skips made DA2 disjointed while the milieu hardly changed at all) doesn't mean it can't be done well.

Frankly, I don't have much confidence in Bioware when it comes to writing a believable parent-child relationship. That sort of maturity is rare in video games. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try, but if they do, I sincerely hope they put some real effort into it. A child can't be an afterthought comparable to a pet mabari. If it fits the timeline and Bioware is ready for the challenge, then sure, I'll gladly welcome more variety to my roleplaying experience.

I'd recommend that they start with something easier, which doesn't directly involve the player. I'd love to see a companion character who has children and a family life outside the main quest. Perhaps the PC could be a godparent to a child (a gentle start for both gamers and the writing team).

I don't want to see kids being used as devices for emotional manipulation nor as furniture for our house. Kid characters should have deep character development and interactions with them should be just as meaningful as with adult characters.

[Uccio]

I would love the idea, just because the multiple options for storyline to go from there. Such as "take another step and the kid gets it!" like scenarios.

Modifié par Ukki, 26 mai 2012 - 09:18 .

[robertthebard]

Yeah, from the people that brought us "Don't worry Oren, you'll see a sword up close really soon, I promise".

Any way, let's take a look at what Simsifying DA would do:

Hawke, we need your help! (Note that it would never be Champion, because you actually have to take care of children, which means you can't spend months at a time running all over the city/local area maps dealing with people's problems for them). If you're not going to play this aspect of it, then it makes absolutely no sense to add it, so "But I can have the servants do it" isn't going to cut it.

Sorry mate, kid's got a play at school, I don't have time.

What exactly would it bring to the table? What's the selling point? "Hey, have a kid and retire from adventuring, hope you at least got out of Chapt 1 first, or your going to be begging for coin on the street, or worse"? Sorry, if I wanted to play the Sims, I'd go buy it. This is a fantasy game, after all, and my kids are all grown up and living elsewhere, why would I want to put myself through that again virtually?

[Lucy Glitter]

I remember Gaider saying the Oren and sword quote made him laugh guiltily. Iunno, I still make a sour face when I hear it now. GAIDER RUINING MAH LIEF.

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Sorry, but...

BAHAHAH THE BLACK-HAIRED GIRL'S EXPRESSION AHAHAHAHHAHA.

(Wow you put so much effort into your own epilogue!)

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 27 mai 2012 - 02:20 .

[cindercatz]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Note that I am not talking about anything crazy like having a kid who can grow old enough to be a companion or NPC in your party.

That would be awesome.. Why not?

edit: Before DA:A came out, my headcanon for my female city elf was that she was very much pregnant at the end of DA:O, which explained her survival when I went back and redid her ending. I was hoping I'd get to play her that way, didn't happen. I'd love to be able to play my characters as parents, sure. It's like everything else; all the mundane, boring parts just don't make it in the game. In every game, there are bits the characters live that the player never sees, nevermind plays, so there's no need for it to be demanding or infuriating like the real thing can be. It'd basically be another in game relationship, from a different, new perspective.

Modifié par cindercatz, 27 mai 2012 - 02:47 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Near the start of Ultima VII you have the option of taking a child as a party member. Some players decided the kid was too young and told him to stay home, while others did the responsible thing by arming him with a Firedoom Staff and setting his party tactics to Flank.

His dialogue is hilarious if you take him to the brothel.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I remember Gaider saying the Oren and sword quote made him laugh guiltily. Iunno, I still make a sour face when I hear it now. GAIDER RUINING MAH LIEF.

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Sorry, but...

BAHAHAH THE BLACK-HAIRED GIRL'S EXPRESSION AHAHAHAHHAHA.

(Wow you put so much effort into your own epilogue!)

LOL. The black-haired girl's expression has a story behind it. She was quite taken aback by her fellow spirit's extreme reaction toward the warden.

But yeah. I've been working on my custom made mod for more than 2 years already. Having a lot of trouble using DAO toolset to animate some of the cutscenes, so I switch to using third party animator and Skyrim's creation Kit for world's background..  

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 27 mai 2012 - 03:59 .

[cindercatz]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Near the start of Ultima VII you have the option of taking a child as a party member. Some players decided the kid was too young and told him to stay home, while others did the responsible thing by arming him with a Firedoom Staff and setting his party tactics to Flank.

His dialogue is hilarious if you take him to the brothel.

 Awesome
.. I imagine parenting options could go along those lines.. lol

[CuriousArtemis]

Only if it is optional ... if I could toggle "childbirth" off lol

Otherwise, if people want it, and it would enhance their experience, then sure.

[brushyourteeth]

As a female player who usually plays a female PC, I'm thinking this would either have to involve more time skips or some kind of guilt/"you sit this one out, Preggo" thing when it comes to participating in combat. So no thanks to that!

What I do think would be interesting however is to eventually have some kind of flashback situation where you recall your lost child (maybe you or your former partner were a mage and the baby was taken by the Chantry?) who you haven't seen in years and is probably nearing adulthood. Then your kid could actually be a much more interactive and pivotal part of the story if/when you're reunited. Maybe you get to share the story with a party member and *choose* in the telling whether you and the kid's father/mother were in love, if he/she tragically died or if you split amicably, if it was a one-night stand, if you were drunk, if you were raped, if it was an arranged marriage, etc. that way everyone has more choices about their character's backstory and some epic romance hasn't been pre-set and decided for us (except that you're a parent).

It would even be neat if the game could somehow track your personality choices (diplomatic, sarcastic, etc.) and have that somewhat reflected in your chip off the ol' block.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 27 mai 2012 - 04:14 .

[Apathy1989]

 Children can have great emotional impact, but I'm afraid young men (large majority of players) have no interest in children.

Kids in skyrim were annoying to me, the kid in ME3 had no impact on me, Fable children were laughable. I do want children at some point in my life, but before then I don't imagine they will easily have an emotional impact on me in fiction.

[Apathy1989]

motomotogirl wrote...

Only if it is optional ... if I could toggle "childbirth" off lol

Otherwise, if people want it, and it would enhance their experience, then sure.

Press 'A' to push?

[LolaLei]

Apathy1989 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Only if it is optional ... if I could toggle "childbirth" off lol

Otherwise, if people want it, and it would enhance their experience, then sure.

Press 'A' to push?

LOL!

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

...something awesome happens?

[Homebound]

this isnt fable OP...

[Xeranx]

Considering how romances are usually portrayed in games, I'm not sold on the idea of protagonists bearing children.

Right now romances are very much like porn films. I'm not saying that they're that kind of trashy, but they're little more than (and forgive this reference) getting to the eventual money shot which is the sex itself. If more respect was paid to romances, I mean romances and not have the romances be meaningless tracks to sex, then I'd be all for having my hero/heroine having a child/children.

I'm not asking for Disney romance, but something that has some kind of weight to it. What we got with Morrigan and the god-child in DA:O was good, but it was sex for a baby which she may control or whatever. That's only a mite better than sex for sex sake.

Maybe someone can explain it better than I can.

[wsandista]

Xeranx wrote...

Considering how romances are usually portrayed in games, I'm not sold on the idea of protagonists bearing children.

Right now romances are very much like porn films. I'm not saying that they're that kind of trashy, but they're little more than (and forgive this reference) getting to the eventual money shot which is the sex itself. If more respect was paid to romances, I mean romances and not have the romances be meaningless tracks to sex, then I'd be all for having my hero/heroine having a child/children.

I'm not asking for Disney romance, but something that has some kind of weight to it. What we got with Morrigan and the god-child in DA:O was good, but it was sex for a baby which she may control or whatever. That's only a mite better than sex for sex sake.

Maybe someone can explain it better than I can.

If I may

There needs to be more to romances than either
[*]Get LI approval up to X and have sex[*]Pick "heart" option and have sex


The romances need to focus more on spoken interactions rathen than sex. Then maybe kids should come.

Modifié par wsandista, 28 mai 2012 - 06:33 .

[Kulyok]

No, thanks. I don't want kids. I don't like kids. If a kid is going to be forced upon my protagonist in any computer game, I'll chuck it out of the window.

Also, this. "One of the most emotional and impactful events that can happen in a person's life is the birth of their children and how they affect their outlook and views on life." Yes, negatively. An unwanted kid ruins a person's life. It would certainly ruin mine - and would probably ruin the fantasy world of a computer game in like two seconds.

So, again, thanks but no thanks. Childfree here.

[Fast Jimmy]

Kulyok wrote...

No, thanks. I don't want kids. I don't like kids. If a kid is going to be forced upon my protagonist in any computer game, I'll chuck it out of the window.

Also, this. "One of the most emotional and impactful events that can happen in a person's life is the birth of their children and how they affect their outlook and views on life." Yes, negatively. An unwanted kid ruins a person's life. It would certainly ruin mine - and would probably ruin the fantasy world of a computer game in like two seconds.

So, again, thanks but no thanks. Childfree here.

I, in no way, intended for the suggestion to be forced on anyone. Given that the romances themselves are optional, a child being born out of said romance would also be optional. And I never said the pregnancy would be unplanned, either. Many people in the military, who travel and go into harm's way knowingly, have families and kids. I do not see why being an adventurer would be all that different, minus the pregnancy itself, which I think would be handled best by a time skip. 

Also, to those who have posted alerting me that this isn't Fable or The Sims, I am in fact aware of this. 

I am not suggesting introducing kids as a meta game activity, where you can have mini games of changing diapers or complete fetch quests to build them a toy, but rather s a story-telling venue. You can also romance and get engaged in the Sims... that doesn't mean Bioware doesn't tell a compelling story with their romances. 

[bas_kon]

I don't like kids irl and I don't want to put up with them in my games. Plus, I never play straight romances on principle, so it'd be hard to get for a woman pregnant by another woman or a man even get pregnant in the first place. If it's totally optional then ok, I'm not the one to limit other people's options.

Modifié par bas_kon, 28 mai 2012 - 09:58 .

[Chaos Lord Malek]

I definitely like to see this in game.

Female character(Either the PC or NPC or a companion) that gets pregnant should get some attack speed/casting penalty though (not a movement speed, because that would be just irritating while exploring). So they are more clumsy in combat, but of course - if you screw the only healer you got, you better suffer the consequences.

[Pedrak]

In DA2 they got wrong several core elements of RPGs (combat, sidequests, exploration), so I think it's better if they focus on priorities rather than on marginal, colourful, potentially-interesting-but-also-potentially-awful, Molyneux-lite features like having kids.

Modifié par Pedrak, 28 mai 2012 - 02:59 .

[brushyourteeth]

wsandista wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Considering how romances are usually portrayed in games, I'm not sold on the idea of protagonists bearing children.

Right now romances are very much like porn films. I'm not saying that they're that kind of trashy, but they're little more than (and forgive this reference) getting to the eventual money shot which is the sex itself. If more respect was paid to romances, I mean romances and not have the romances be meaningless tracks to sex, then I'd be all for having my hero/heroine having a child/children.

I'm not asking for Disney romance, but something that has some kind of weight to it. What we got with Morrigan and the god-child in DA:O was good, but it was sex for a baby which she may control or whatever. That's only a mite better than sex for sex sake.

Maybe someone can explain it better than I can.

If I may

There needs to be more to romances than either

[*]Get LI approval up to X and have sex
[*]Pick "heart" option and have sex


The romances need to focus more on spoken interactions rathen than sex. Then maybe kids should come.

Everything about this!