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[DragonRageGT]

Dragon Age - Dragonslayer - Nightmare

No mages, no exploits, no cheap tricks, no spawning at 10 to fight at 20, no Alistair stealing my kill... just lots of potions, why not, and fierce determination to conquer the Dragon! She's truly a beAst when spawned at level 20! Please
be nice when rating! =)



And some say 2 hander are gimped? Pitty Sten went down for the first time right when I finally managed to do it but, who resisted it all from the High Dragon? (At least when he managed to stay alive)... Not Alistair... he was just there to try steal my kill! Not this time!

Edited for typos.

New Edit: Someone said that the first video with my first char was too long of a fight. Well, it had no mages and no haste and not much experience with the game either. (It was actually the second char, remake of the first one after I got the C.E. and the DLC's it gave me)

This time it took me only 1:34 min to finish the beast? Char stats and items at http://bit.ly/aXCQzz I was truly impressed! I'm rushing with my Rage Reborn for Awakening, with no DLC items at all on him, at least, but this was fast, imho! Plus the 3 characters gaining another level at end! =)

Dragon Age - Fast Nightmare Dragon Kill

Modifié par RageGT, 21 mars 2010 - 08:01 .

[fro7k]

THere's no question that they're inferior to dual-wielders. Each bonus damage from runes gets multiplied by the rate you hit.

[Tonya777]

That doesn't make 2H warrior not pale in comparisson to Rogues in DPS



I have taken down the high dragon in like 1 minute flat , no micro managing like at all , nightmare mode and everything



Using no mages in your party , is that to prove a point or just pure foolishness?

[fro7k]

Incidentally why did you care who got the kill? Thought xp was distributed evenly.

[Skellimancer]

RageGT wrote...

Dragon Age - Dragonslayer - Nightmare

No mages, no exploits, no
cheap tricks, no spawning at 10 to fight at 20, no Alistair stealing my
kill... just lots of potions, why not, and fierce determination to
conquer the Dragon! She's truly a best when spawned at level 20! Please
be nice when rating! =)



And
some say 2 hander are gimped? Pitty Sten went down for the first time right when I finally managed to do it but, who resisted it all from the High Dragon?
(At least when he managed to stay alive)... Not Alistair... he was just
there to try steal my kill! Not this time!

Seriously what is your point? the 2hander stayed alive in a dragon fight? How many reloads did it take to get that video. Once the dragon grabs a character they are dead without a healer as we seen with Sten.

Also the dragon seemed to have too little health for Nightmare...

Modifié par Skellimancer, 10 décembre 2009 - 05:19 .

[Cuthlan]

fro7k wrote...

Incidentally why did you care who got the kill? Thought xp was distributed evenly.

For me, it's about the codex entry. If I'm playing the primary DPS, I don't want my sissy tank stealing the glory.

And 2h isn't gimped. It does less DPS than dual wield, but that doesn't make it gimped.

[OneBadAssMother]

Very nice, with no mages too.

[DragonRageGT]

I am not questioning the superiority of a well built DW, be it rogue or warrior. I just think that my char is still a whole lot fun to play even if it is not the most valuable class in terms of DPS. And I love greatswords so much that it is basically the only class I can really enjoy playing! =)

I bow to the power of the rogues... although I'd love to meet one in an Arena and see how much he would resist me! (A true seeing helmet might help too -)

I had mages in my party until not long ago. (still will have for the banter series) But after I kicked them out, all my battles are a lot more fluid, with less pausing, faster too and a lot more fun to play, for me. It's good not to feel so dependent of a class.

In my first run thru the game, hard diff, Alistair got the killing blow after I did most of the dmg (same char) and I was quite disapointed... I guess I like riding the beast and well, we don't want only Alistair in the screenies doing that do we?

My point is that it can be done, I'm glad I did it and yes, took me a while before stopping being the main dish in the Dragon's menu!

[Staylost]

For Warrior:



Dual Wield has slightly higher defense, due to their talents & dex investment. They also have a higher attack due to talents.

Dual Wield has only one stun attack and debuff attack, this is certainly lower than a 2 hander, but dual wield is still better at it (enchantment!+attack speed).

Dual Wield obviously has a higher DPS due to attack speed (which gets insane if you run Momentum+Precise Striking+Haste(from Mage).



It is the attack speed combined with unequal enchantments that thrash the 2 hander. The two hander can hit with paralysis runes super fast, catching them up with the 2 hander for control.



The 2 hander has only one thing going for it. It remains that Indomitable is the best talent in the game, being that it is extremely useful against the strongest enemies in the game, and is not reproduceable by any other spec.



I would wager that indomitable is not enough for any powergamer to ever have a reason to choose a 2 hander, but it makes them fun for me to play.



I love the two hander's animations, by the way.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I just think that my char is still a whole lot fun to play even if it is not the most valuable class in terms of DPS. And I love greatswords so much that it is basically the only class I can really enjoy playing! =)

And that is what the game is all about. Fun. Congrats. I'll definately do a playthrough as a 2 handed warrior too.

[Staylost]

I do wish that enchantment, like fire weapons, and enchantment!, like Sandal's, would be more powerful on a two hander than they are on a one hander. This would preserve the differences between the branches without leaving 2 hander's gimped.

[Torias]

I would say



Indomitable, Sunder Arms, Sunder Armor, Two Handed Weapon Sweep, Mighty Blow, Critical Strike, Perfect Striking, Precise Striking, combined with careful micromanagement and plenty of pausing, and plenty of stamina, can make the Two Handed weapon warrior the most dominating melee combatant on the battle field.



The dual wielding rogue needs to maneuver to get into position. While they're spending seconds moving around, the Two Handed Warrior is smacking the crap out of stuff non stop.

[Rylor Tormtor]

fro7k wrote...

THere's no question that they're inferior to dual-wielders. Each bonus damage from runes gets multiplied by the rate you hit.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

[DragonRageGT]

Skellimancer wrote...

Also the dragon seemed to have too little health for Nightmare...

Now that hurts. Knights Valorous have a motto... Strenght in Honor! And I was a KV in DIABLO 1.. legit purist... what would be the point of making a video and have legends bashing cheaters if I cheated myself?

Also there is no edition from the Options screen shown in the vid to the first Fraps self-made cut at 4GB size... I wouldn't be bragging about anything if I had just cheated it after that either. Not my style!

And my 80 STR warrior can do a hell of a damage as can the others in my party... top gear for everybody. Yusaris for Sten... pitty losing him so early but he still did a good job. Starfang for my PC, a hell of a overpowered greatsword.. and I  just love it!

[Bluesmith]

Torias wrote...

I would say

Indomitable, Sunder Arms, Sunder Armor, Two Handed Weapon Sweep, Mighty Blow, Critical Strike, Perfect Striking, Precise Striking, combined with careful micromanagement and plenty of pausing, and plenty of stamina, can make the Two Handed weapon warrior the most dominating melee combatant on the battle field.

The dual wielding rogue needs to maneuver to get into position. While they're spending seconds moving around, the Two Handed Warrior is smacking the crap out of stuff non stop.

You would be wrong. In the time it takes to maneuver behind a boss your 2Her will get maybe one or two hits off. Critical Strike is a poor man's Mighty Blow and not worth spamming on nightmare due to the preciousness of stam. On a boss you spam Sunders and run Indomitable only if the boss has AE knockbacks...

[Black Kracken]

On my thrid playthrough. 1st was DW rogue, 2nd was AW, 3rd with 2H. By far I am having the most fun with the 2H'er. It's just a more visceral, gritty experience. I never get tired of the finishing moves. Good times.

[maladictor2009]

Character with high dex and momentum would own this dragon alot better then any slow poke greatsword wielder.



And as for you RageGT if you think the game is to easy here is a mod for you.



http://social.bioware.com/project/667/



60 second cooldown on health pots / smarter enemies / more powerful enemies.



In BG 2 greatswords were atleast alittle fun, not in this game though.



I would also say the same for shield build. Should a shield not give atleast alittle armour for all that damage you give up ?

[brennonmurphy]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

fro7k wrote...

THere's no question that they're inferior to dual-wielders. Each bonus damage from runes gets multiplied by the rate you hit.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

What? How is that in any way anecdotal? 

[Black Kracken]

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Modifié par Black Kracken, 11 décembre 2009 - 03:39 .

[bucnasty22]

I found warriors to be godly, I 1 hit regular mages. I had so much more armor and hp that I could tank and dps. Only a couple hits to tear even yellows down. Rogues do like 10 damage per hit while my warrior was doing 70-90. Then indomitable (or w/e) makes you immune to knockdown. Get 2 casters to just heal and me+alister just own things.

I just started my own rogue so Ill find out which is better (I did a bad spec on lel the bard girl first game)

I heard mages were supposedly great, I kept dieing at the very beginning so I quit and started a rogue

Modifié par bucnasty22, 11 décembre 2009 - 03:45 .

[maladictor2009]

Do note that playing Sten with a 2-hander is actually the same as playing your own character as a 2-hander the only difference is that sten only gets 1 specialization point.

So no I can draw my own conclusions from that fine.

But beside the point I have tested out a level 20 Reaver / beserker 2-handed warrior. I was not the least impressed. And as far as reading my characters everyone knows this social site i screwing up.

currently I have a level 23 arcane warrior who im finished playing with. A level 14 rogue well on the way.

Shouldnt you atleast ask the person about his/her experiences in a game before jumping to conclusions? instead of reading into to a site that has problems uploading data's.

Modifié par maladictor2009, 11 décembre 2009 - 03:48 .

[Kaosgirl]

Tonya777 wrote...

That doesn't make 2H warrior not pale in comparisson to Rogues in DPS

Note:  Lower DPS is not the same thing as being gimped.
Hell, strictly speaking even "categorically inferior" doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as "gimped."  (It can, but it doesn't always.)

Modifié par Kaosgirl, 11 décembre 2009 - 04:10 .

[DragonRageGT]

maladictor2009 wrote...

Character with high dex and momentum would own this dragon alot better then any slow poke greatsword wielder.

And as for you RageGT if you think the game is to easy here is a mod for you.

http://social.bioware.com/project/667/

Thanks maladictor, I already have Nightmare Plus but I want to finish my regular NM run first, after my first one in Hard. I don't really like anything that changes original game design, at least until I tried it all. I've seen movies of NM plus too and I seriously doubt someone can solo it and dismiss mages from their party.

And I didn't say the game is too easy. It does feels a lot easier than my first Hard run but being a noob and not-so-much is a big difference in this game.

Now, as I said, I am not questioning about other classes superiority. I was just saying that Big Weapons are just as fun and I do not need cheat, mages or exploits to get it done. My fighter/bard/Arcane Archer would prolly own that beast just as easily too. I'd call shots to her legs and arms that she would barely crawl and would not hit me for anything in this world... I know... I've done that to Smaug and DM's hated me for it... and for having Sauron rolling a 1 vs my slaying evil arrow when they controlled him! =)

But I wasn't really comparing classes.

[JasonPogo]

Um sorry but on a side note what armor do you have Leliana in? And where can I get it?

[DragonRageGT]

Trailer Edition mod.

http://social.bioware.com/project/966/

Warning: it will change Sten, Leliana and Morrigan faces and Effort armor set looks, even if you don't want it to, atm. And it will place modder's attempt to match Malcom's face as default human head in character creator too. An awesome attempt I'd say, if you want to use that head!

Items are for sale with a new NPC in party camp and they are extremely overpowered... I just got the rogue's set for the looks really. And her new head is lovely! Sten's just great! Morrigan, I liked the unmodded better. But Im all for Leliana in this run so the witch is out!

Modifié par RageGT, 11 décembre 2009 - 07:47 .