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[thebogle5]

So I tend to play "good" or not so evil characters in this sort of game, but having already completed it twice that way, I thought I'd try to do everything different the 3rd go at it and pick options that seem just downright stupid-evil.

You better believe there are some spoilers below...

I like that my army now includes golems (minus Shale whome I killed) werewolves (as I killed the Dalish), and now Templar (guess what happened with the mages..) Killing Wynn was perticularly hard since.. well she's an old lady! And there was no logical reason to do it aside form I hadn't done it before. Also killed the elf assassin and now, I'm going to go kill a little boy possessed by a demon...

My dwarf is messed up..

[OneBadAssMother]

Messed up? Yet he has golems, werewolves, templars... instead of just dwarves, elves, mages to fight the blight. Not to mention how sweet it was to watch the werewolves march.



Nothing is evil in this game, only win or lose.

[menasure]

Wynne has had a long life ... and you see her attack first, besides that a mage controlled by either demons or the chantry, which self-respecting dwarf would care about such a subtle difference? ;o



i just finished an evil play as dwarf commoner and i have to say that the epilogue was much to my satisfaction, only sad that alistair did not continue to walk around in his underwear for the end scene because he was so amusing while i made him parade and defend the city like that muhahaha

[thebogle5]

Oh don't get me wrong.. my army rocks..it's just not exactly in my nature to want to take the.. senseless.. way out..

[menasure]

thebogle5 wrote...

Oh don't get me wrong.. my army rocks..it's just not exactly in my nature to want to take the.. senseless.. way out..

senseless makes no sense but evil rarely recognizes itself as evil. there is little reason to just make the worst possible choices you can make however if you can think out of your character perspective then your choices still feel natural despite being the opposite sometimes of what you would do yourself.

it makes little sense to just kill a boy like you put it but if you are a pragmatical character then you would say it is the most logical choice to be certain to survive this yourself, while a character with a grudge could just do it to hurt the mother and a caring person would mainly concentrate on the result of saving the villagers rather than on the act of killing an innocent child. there is no wright or wrong, just desperate situations and different lines of thinking which can all lead to the same choice and result.

[thebogle5]

menasure wrote...

thebogle5 wrote...

Oh don't get me wrong.. my army rocks..it's just not exactly in my nature to want to take the.. senseless.. way out..

senseless makes no sense but evil rarely recognizes itself as evil. there is little reason to just make the worst possible choices you can make however if you can think out of your character perspective then your choices still feel natural despite being the opposite sometimes of what you would do yourself.

it makes little sense to just kill a boy like you put it but if you are a pragmatical character then you would say it is the most logical choice to be certain to survive this yourself, while a character with a grudge could just do it to hurt the mother and a caring person would mainly concentrate on the result of saving the villagers rather than on the act of killing an innocent child. there is no wright or wrong, just desperate situations and different lines of thinking which can all lead to the same choice and result.

I fully understand what you mean, and I don't believe in moral right/wrong. Different cultures and backgrounds and reagionalities have different understandings of morals, and they are driven by cultural or personal perspectives on the subject.

That said, killing the boy because I haven't done it before, and cause I just want to see how much I can mess with the Arl's family.. that is somewhat more senseless..

My persoanl approach to things in life is based on compramise and communication however, and I don't get to work that way playing an "evil" character. Thus, that too seems senseless by my personal standards. Though I appreceate the insightful response. It's much easier to say something like, yeah well, your stoopid!!

[KenRed]

Who was in your party all this time? Morrigan must love you!

[thebogle5]

Actually, I've been trying to Romance Lel (go figure huh) since she's the only one I haven't done that with.. in the process though, I've still no luck with Lel, but she made me "break it off" with Morrigan even though there was nothing going on there... I figured, what do I have to lose and said "Lel is the only one for me" or something, and then lost 100 points with Morrigan right after that... That was upsetting as Morrigan was actually in my party and lost all her bonuses, while Lel still hasn't slept with my Dwarf!

On a side note, I had to lie to Lel and tell her the ashes of andraste were fine even though I pour dragon blood on them! ..maybe she knows I lied to her.. I didn't want to kill her until after getting the achievement for sleeping with her though.

I've also had the dog, who doesn't seem to care what you do or say, and Oghren.. cause well, 2 Dwarfs are better then 1.. that and he's funny.

I've been tempted to use Alister just to see how much I would ****** him off, but I've had him on my last two runs.

Modifié par thebogle5, 10 décembre 2009 - 08:54 .

[LynxAQ]

I found it hard to play evil at first, but now I enjoy it and I actually wish there where more throats you could slit.



It really annoyed me you could just randomly slit the throats of pointless people who never annoyed my character and I dont think my character would of killed, yet the extremely ignorant arrogant bastards in the game, there is no option to slit there throats, yet my character would definately do it.



Also playing "evil" in this game makes the writers look like complete failed amateurs sadly. I have no doubt that the mean "evil" options in this game where tacked on in a rush towards the end of the deadline.



I recommend pissing him off, he will never leave due to plot at -100 rep but you have some pretty heated arguments with him in camp. He is still wimpy tho and usually backs down. I wish at the end you could get into a fight with him.



Favourite part as "evil" was slapping that **** in redcliffe castle and cutting her son. Never felt such satisfaction as when she was slapped to the ground... odd.

[LynxAQ]

By him I ment Alistair. I enjoy playing chaotic evil lunatic now. Werewolves kill the arch demon on there own, well over powered...

[Fishy]

I'm someone that care about other and i'm not very pragmatic in life.So it's very hard to play has a very pragmatic Hero that will do everything for his own end.

it's hard to make those choice that you would normaly not do in life.
For instance i would try evrything before killing a children that simply wanted to save his daddy.

I would never let's a crazy Dorf own some powerful artifact (Anvil) .She's so crazy that she sacrified her whole house  and even made more darkspawn with her own lover and friend  so she could test the trap.
I would let's let's a bunch of werewolf completly kill and destroy an hundred of ppl who have nothing to do with all this veageance crap.The only one to blame's Zathrian .. Veageance never do anything good.

I would not kill all the mage because some of them might be abomination.I would take the RISK.

I would not do something that would ****** me my companions enough that they would attack me on sight . For instance even if i don't believe to the Maker .. I respect the choice of other to believe in it.

I'm this kind of person and playing and doing the opposite that i woulde normally do it's very hard.

[thebogle5]

Did I say I have to go kill a child? I hadn't realized I also get to kill a spying elf, a hiding dwarf, his two buddies, and an old smith mourning his missing daughter. I even killed the dwarf after convincing him he should go out and help the fight. Now that was senseless!!



I wonder if I can kill the smiths daughter...

[Nokturnal Lex]

I beheaded Wynn when I killed her with my evil dwarf, made me giggle a little then I felt bad for killing an old lady.

[Nokturnal Lex]

LynxAQ wrote...

By him I ment Alistair. I enjoy playing chaotic evil lunatic now. Werewolves kill the arch demon on there own, well over powered...

I didn't bother trying to get them on nightmare due to them getting owned on hard mode. I found the dwarves with the legion of the dead mixed in to last the longest against anything on hard mode. The golems got owned too. I can't decide whose better the templar's or mages though. One likes to nuke everything but dies insanely quick the other is still kinda weak but likes to smite casters.

All in All though the ending of the game definitely needs to be a lot harder, I found it wayyyy too easy. The boss fight can be a "challenge" but leading up to it is a joke.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

thebogle5 wrote...

Did I say I have to go kill a child? I hadn't realized I also get to kill a spying elf, a hiding dwarf, his two buddies, and an old smith mourning his missing daughter. I even killed the dwarf after convincing him he should go out and help the fight. Now that was senseless!!

I wonder if I can kill the smiths daughter...

Please tell me you didn't help with the village attack?

You can do more than just kill those few people, you can kill the whole village (part from Teagan)

Well ok, you don't kill all of them yourself, no, no, no... no you just leave them to fend for themselves in the upcoming night attack, whilst you go somewhere else... come back to find Redcliffe a ghost town...

...and the good thing is, they aren't dead for long... you get to kill them again! (The Master, reborn!)

Soooo satisfyingly evil when teagan asks why you left them to perish... "Blight more important"

Sten and Morrigan approves

Aww how I loved my last playthrough as a brutish cold killer dwarf commoner rogue, so many times she used the stabbity knife of doom and yet there was redcliffe where she hardly had to use it.

Edit: Oh and in answer to your question, no you can't kill her, despite everyone else pretty much being undead or possessed in the castle, she still remains normal, but basically because if you do the above, she goes back to the smithy to find... no one. So if you go see her she then leaves the village (still think if gone all the way down that route should get chance to add her to the list of the dead).

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 11 décembre 2009 - 02:29 .

[thebogle5]

I could have left them to die! Crap, I hope I have a save point there.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Yup, couple of ways of doing it, one I found by accident (thankfully had a save just before I'd gone there). One I did intentionally by stating to Teagan in the initial meeting with him that we couldn't help. Party was PC, Morrigan, Sten aaand think possibly Wardog. Sten and Morrigan approved.



Left Redcliffe, travelled to Denerim or Brescillian, got the attack cutscene during travel, went back after visiting the place I'd travelled too and the place was silent as the grave with no one around (Teagan is in the chantry lying unconcious).



1st time I did it, I was just trying to be clever and just get the Alastair conversation about him being a royal bar steward. Soon as I did that, I left, with no conversation with Tomas. For some stupid reason either on the first long trip or 2nd trip after that, I got the redcliffe attack cutscene mid travel even though my character would have had no knowledge of it. Lesson learned from this, only do this aforementioned trick if you are intending to let the place fall and don't care about the approval points you get for Morrigan and Sten by going down to see Teagan and telling him you too busy to help. I would also obviously advise NOT taking Alastair with you as I imagine he will disapprove... wait a minute, dammit I should've took him! Actually now I think about it, I think I did, not sure if he disapproved though.



Oh well, much more fun killing all the villagers including murdock, owen, bella, lloyd, ser perth etc... if you are going for the truly evil option for redcliffe.

[Nokturnal Lex]

I really want to try a "Oops" option on the redcliff village where I say I'm gonna help with the attack, do everything to not help, and then when they attack happens I just stand back and watch them die and once they're all dead I clean up the undead and see what Bann Teagan and the reverened mother say afterwards.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Well of course one way of doing that would be to have a mage cast 'Storm of the Century' at the bottom of the hill. Then watch them ALL die...

"Oops I didn't realise they would die too"

I know there is also a way to ****** off both the Templars and Mages so that you kill all them in the tower and have neither side with you in the final battle (hint: Be a blood mage!)

The one thing I don't understand about Redcliffe is, apart from the 'Knights' that had been sent away on some task by Teagan, if you left the village to get wrecked how can you truly have the 'human' army? Or was the number that you get all that remained?

[thebogle5]

Ok, so I went back, killed the Dwarf, elf, and blacksmith. Then left town to drop in on my buddies in haven. And now came back to the ghost town... I swear I cringe with every action.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Hehe, goood, gooood...



Don't forget to taint the ashes, then kill Kolgrim after so you can get his horn or gong to kill that dragon! then of course kill Genitivi



And soon your path will be complete

[thebogle5]

Crap, didn't kill Kogrim (yet!) Genitivi is no more.

[JWideman]

I've only gotten as far as Redcliffe Village and I'm ready to give up trying to play as evil. I'm really annoyed at how evil = stupid.

[LynxAQ]

I might want to mention as well if you leave Redcliffe to the undead, you will lose access to numerous "Board Quests" and wont be able to complete the final parts. Not that is matters when you RP .



Also leaving the village to die makes Redcliffe castle alot harder, as the number of undead in the castle increases and several named NPC's from the village will be Named Undead enemies in the castle as well.



Dont worry, after leaving the village to die, cutting connors throat, slapping Isolde across the room, Eaman will still hail you a hero. Odd.

[Dalereth]

JWideman wrote...

I've only gotten as far as Redcliffe Village and I'm ready to give up trying to play as evil. I'm really annoyed at how evil = stupid.

Playing evil doesn't feel right quite right in this game. There's already the obvious contradiction of the PC's purpose being to end the blight and become a hero of Ferelden. On the other hand things are rarely so black and white as absolute good and evil. In any case it's a game not well designed for that whole personal quest for power thing that Baldur's Gate had going for it.

There are also some obvious inconsistencies in the dialogue when playing "evil":

Leliana - "What was it like to touch the ashes of Andraste?"
PC - "Errr...uhhh...you might want to sit down for this..."
Leliana - "Isn't it amazing that after all these years that it was you to uncover them?"
PC - "Yeah, uhh, The Maker told me not to talk about it..."
Leliana - "Oh you had a vision like mine?"
PC - "Yeah, something like that. Let's go to your tent."

Or...

*PC dancing a jig on Bann Teagan's corpse*
Teagan - *groan*
PC - "Oh, you're alive?"
Teagan - "The village...gone?"
PC - "Yeah, I have some nice photos of the action. Want to see?"
Teagan - "Thank you for saving me."
PC - "Right, saving. Not dancing."
Teagan - "You seem like a people person."
PC - "Yeah, thanks. Can we go into the castle now?"
Teagan - "But of course!"