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[Kr0gan]

It's gonna get locked because is off topic... unless you people manage to reference ME in every post.

[Abraham_uk]

Amaterasuomikami wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

How would religion accept this if we came into contact with an actual Mass Relay?

It would depend on the religion, but I don't see for example the Vatican having a panic attack. Certainly the Church has been increasingly comfortable with science, although of course they want people to not be obsessed with technology and forget their morality/faith.

The Mass Effect series is fairly upbeat about religion. The Asari are probably the most advanced race in the galaxy, and their faith is still very important to them.

Mass Effect doesn't really cover religion. It's mentioned in passing. But never becomes a dominant theme. It's all part of the lore of the universe. If you have a galaxy with so many species, well you're going to have many different faiths.

Plot wise, religion is more or less non-existant.

[Naughty Bear]

Kr0gan wrote...

It's gonna get locked because is off topic... unless you people manage to reference ME in every post.

Did you read my posts? I said in one of my posts that i am mainly interested in how religion would act and play out if we did come across a Mass Relay.

[Reorte]

Kr0gan wrote...

It's gonna get locked because is off topic... unless you people manage to reference ME in every post.

Erm, then,  there's a bit in the codex about some turians starting to follow zen. But fair point (and I'm not entirely sure whether zen at its most fundamental even is a religion).

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[Tigerman123]

Religions are referenced in the Cerberus daily news; there's a story about the Pope blessing an Asari artefact for instance

[Teddie Sage]

No. I like when sci-fi mocks religions.

[Reorte]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

First off, I'm pretty sure a topic like this will get locked. Check out the Site Rules.

I read them as boiling down to "no off topic discussion", so no general discussion of politics and religion and so on that's got nothing to do with Mass Effect. Which is fair enough, as is singling them out because they are easy subjects to go off topic on and tend to get heated.

At least that's what I hope the rules mean.

[Asebstos]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Well, what it doesn't need is a bunch of ridiculous religious imagery where it doesn't belong. The green ending and its obvious "Garden of Eden" symbolism is beyond awful.

Like i said to Alan, if we did stumble across an alien civilization who are most likely to be more advanced and have probably accepted such advancements like bioengineering and artificial limb prosthesis.

Wouldn't religion hold us back on these advancements? Damaging 'gods image'? Messing with nature?

And what about accepting if it did happen, that we actually had 'gods' who were in turn an advanced civilization and created us? How would religion even try to accept that?

Why? People can be religious without being luddities. Believing in God is kind of a prerequisite for being Amish, but that doesn't mean that everyone that believes in a supreme diety is abhorrent to technological progress.

[Naughty Bear]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Obviously it will not disappear.

Hoping to see some religious members here add their opinions on using bioengineering and cybernetics.

Well as a religious member as far as I know we have both today, and they certainly aren't opposed by...well, me at least, I can't speak for everyone.

Yes it is around but what about if it became more prominent? Like plastic-surgery for example.

The average folk just walking into clinics and having designer babies, changing their genes or having a cybernetic limb like Deus Ex.

How would you feel if it was like that? And just wondering if you don't mind, what is your religion?

[Tazzmission]

eh i personally dont care either way

as long as the story of the game movie or show is good then dont fix what isnt broken

[Madmoe77]

It seems there will always be religion in human society. As long as individuals find it easier to grasp than facing mortality in a different light. I like how some sci-fi explores future religions though. Firefly did this to give you a show that made an attempt to realize a future life not so far fetched. Or A Mote In God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle does a good job of showing how a dominant human race deals with first contact and how religion gets knotted about it. But most Sci-fi that I have seen or read almost always has some kind of religion, spiritual philosophy and dogma to it.

I enjoy it. Even as an atheist or a agnostic-lite on good days!

[tholloway93]

i would go out on a limb to say in these sci-fi games such as mass effect that an alien religion which is nothing like christianity etc is fine... you could have a religious character such as thane was for example and i dont think that affects anything in a negative way

[saracen16]

Tigerman123 wrote...

Religions are referenced in the Cerberus daily news; there's a story about the Pope blessing an Asari artefact for instance

There was also an interesting take on how Ramadan was being observed on colonies in other systems. As for the OP, no, I don't think religion should stay out of sci-fi. In fact, religion is one of the few things out there that tackles the big questions of sci-fi such as "Why are we here?", "How did this all begin?", and "What's our purpose in life?" It deserves to be in the genre, and, personally, I think it also adds to its appeal. The idea of the Reapers themselves was quasi-religious to begin with: mysterious, terrifying entities from beyond the galaxy regarded as "all-consuming devils who devoured entire stars". Even in ME2 does one of the Cerberus agents in the derelict Reaper mention something about how the Reaper corpse warps reality by just being there.

[Kr0gan]

Anyway, before the thread dies, I dislike religion but saying that it hold us back is kind of extreme.

Maybe you are seeing it from the perspective of some countries that have problems with religion (like the US with their creationist movement) but the rest of the world still advances despite what nonsense the Pope is saying.

Something that hold us back too are the greedy corporations, lazy and shallow people and inefficient governments but we are not destroying them for that.

[Chris Priestly]

We do not discuss real world religions here (mine is better than yours, this is the true one, etc). However, talking about how religion may or may not work in Mass Effect is valid as long as it stays away from "Well Shepard would never believe in X..." or "There wouldn't be anymore Y because they woudl have all died off" etc.

[AlienSpaceBats]

Did you hear that that Catholic church for one is all for the existence of aliens, and would be delighted to baptise them?

I'm not making this up. It was in the news a couple of years ago.

Religion is far from ignored and one of the oft-used themes dealt in classic SF, re: The Streets of Ashkelon by Harry Harrison, Behold The Man by Michael Moorcock, Shall The Dust Praise Thee? by Damon Knight and Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light ... there are hundreds of examples.

[Naughty Bear]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We do not discuss real world religions here (mine is better than yours, this is the true one, etc). However, talking about how religion may or may not work in Mass Effect is valid as long as it stays away from "Well Shepard would never believe in X..." or "There wouldn't be anymore Y because they woudl have all died off" etc.

Thank you.

[C9316]

*Gets popcorn, and comfy chair* continue..

[ObserverStatus]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

Did you hear that that Catholic church for one is all for the existence of aliens, and would be delighted to baptise them?

I'm not making this up. It was in the news a couple of years ago.

Religion is far from ignored and one of the oft-used themes dealt in classic SF, re: The Streets of Ashkelon by Harry Harrison, Behold The Man by Michael Moorcock, Shall The Dust Praise Thee? by Damon Knight and Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light ... there are hundreds of examples.

Well yeah, have you ever read "Speaker for the Dead"?  A colony of Portugese missionaries convert a whole alien civilization in that.