281 réponses à ce sujet

[Duncaaaaaan]

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

[Omanisat]

That's most definitely what Bioware wanted us to think...

[StarcloudSWG]

You might have missed the bits where, you know, the Reapers were destroying entire civilizations, in horrible, horrible ways. Turning people into mindless monsters. Eliminating their personalities and turning them into tech zombies.

And the end result, a new Reaper, would be thoroughly indoctrinated to the Reaper cause and would be just a collection of AI's that THINK they're members of the original race. And that's just for one 'lucky' race. The others? just get wiped out.

It's entirely Paragon to wipe out the zombified, undead remains of previous civilizations that are under control of the biggest war criminal that could ever be imagined.

[dreman9999]

You want fairness with something that want to destroy you, impose it's will on you , change you with out consent, mind control you and does not care what you think?

[comrade gando]

OP is actually harbinger

[dreman9999]

Yes, we have to be fair with the tiger we are trapped with. If it wants to eat us by all things we have to be fair and let him...

[Mr.House]

No, the Reapers are genocidal monsters that have killed over trillions for over a billion years, there is no fairness with them, no reasoning, they deserve to be killed. They are war criminals and war criminals deserve their fate.

Also ya changing the dna of everyone in the galaxy against their will is really paragon....

[TheCrazyHobo]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

Well, by your definition the Illusive Man is now ultimate avatar of the Paragons, while Anderson is now the ultimate avatar of the Renegades.  For some odd reason, I don't think Bioware wanted it to be that way.  

[MisterJB]

StarcloudSWG wrote...
And the end result, a new Reaper, would be thoroughly indoctrinated to the Reaper cause and would be just a collection of AI's that THINK they're members of the original race. And that's just for one 'lucky' race. The others? just get wiped out.

First, all races are preserved. One as a Capital, the others as Destroyers. Read the Codex.

Second, there is zero evidence that suggests the resuting Reaper is just an AI that believes it used to be a member of the original race and not, in fact, the minds of the original organics preserved. Don't try to hide from the fact that killing a Reaper could be considered genocide.

And even if it wasn't, Reapers are the oldest, most knowledgeable beings in the galaxy. Destroying them would be akin to destroying the Alexandrian library or the Mona Lisa.

[Vox Draco]

*chuckles* yeah, whatever....

Control=Collaboration with the enemy
Synthesis=Unconditional surrender to the enemy

If Shepard wasn't dead in both endings, she should be court-martialed for siding with the enemy...but to each his own interpretation, though I wonder why so many people are okay with ignoring everything they've seen and experienced the past three games, and still think it is good to side with the Reapers...

"That would be funny, it it weren't so sad"

[matthewmi]

No think about the ethics of synthesis for a while, altering every life form without consent also think about the effects on pre industrial species you might change your mind about it being paragon.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

MisterJB wrote...

First, all races are preserved. One as a Capital, the others as Destroyers. Read the Codex.

Not the quarians, had the Rannoch Reaper not been defeated (or in DerpShepard playthroughs, for that matter).

Also, lol at OP, and his Paragon = good, Renegade = evil mindset.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 25 mai 2012 - 07:23 .

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...
And the end result, a new Reaper, would be thoroughly indoctrinated to the Reaper cause and would be just a collection of AI's that THINK they're members of the original race. And that's just for one 'lucky' race. The others? just get wiped out.

First, all races are preserved. One as a Capital, the others as Destroyers. Read the Codex.

Second, there is zero evidence that suggests the resuting Reaper is just an AI that believes it used to be a member of the original race and not, in fact, the minds of the original organics preserved. Don't try to hide from the fact that killing a Reaper could be considered genocide.

And even if it wasn't, Reapers are the oldest, most knowledgeable beings in the galaxy. Destroying them would be akin to destroying the Alexandrian library or the Mona Lisa.

Prove to me you can extract the data.

Don't be foolish.

[MisterJB]

Vox Draco wrote...
I wonder why so many people are okay with ignoring everything they've seen and experienced the past three games, and still think it is good to side with the Reapers...

And I wonder why so many people are unwilling to rethink their misconceptions when faced with new perspective.

And you never side with the Reapers. In Control, there is no indication Shepard will continue the Cycle. In Synthesis, you acknowledge the Synthetic/Organic conflict as a problem that need to be solved but refuse the Reaper Solution and Shepard finds its own that allows both forms of life to exist.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 mai 2012 - 07:24 .

[MisterJB]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Prove to me you can extract the data.

Don't be foolish.

Don't be short-sighted. If Synthesis frees them from the Catalyst's control, the possibility that we might be able to simply communicate with them exist. Think of how much we can learn.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

First, all races are preserved. One as a Capital, the others as Destroyers. Read the Codex.

Not the quarians, had the Rannoch Reaper not been defeated (or in DerpShepard playthroughs, for that matter).

Also, lol at OP, and his Paragon = good, Renegade = evil mindset.

**** you. sure it was different in ME1 and 2, but in 3 being a renegade = being an idiot. Just in case you want to roleplay a complete idiot.

[Ji99saw]

I agree OP, and the Reapers are the best because they are the oldest in the galaxy not to mention all tech that we use they made

Modifié par Ji99saw, 25 mai 2012 - 07:30 .

[dreman9999]

Imagine if dragon age ended this way.

Op what would you pick.

Controlling the horde.

Com-binding the darkspawn with every race, tainting everyone.

Or kill off all the dark spawn, ending the threat once and for all but lose magic forever.

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Prove to me you can extract the data.

Don't be foolish.

Don't be short-sighted. If Synthesis frees them from the Catalyst's control, the possibility that we might be able to simply communicate with them exist. Think of how much we can learn.

Think about what we wouldn't learn. What if we cannot understand the language? The images? Like a Prothean beacon.

Do we have the capacity to do such a thing?

Won't they be affected by Synthesis as well? Could that scramble the beings inside?

What happens to them? Do they stick around? We have no information to the latter.

Do they even retain the data?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 25 mai 2012 - 07:30 .

[MisterJB]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
Not the quarians, had the Rannoch Reaper not been defeated (or in DerpShepard playthroughs, for that matter).

We don't know if the Reapers intended to cause their extinction or simply render their fleet harmless in preparation for the Harvest. It's the newly freed geth that commit genocide, not the Reapers.

Or maybe the Morning War and following Exodus depleted their numbers so much, its population is not large enough even for a Destroyer. As such, the Reapers might have intended to use the geth to destroy the quarians so both fleets couldn't interfere with the harvest of the species that can still be saved.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

**** you.

Well, aren't you the polite one.

[Aiyie]

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

please explain to me then why destroying the collector base at the conclusion of ME2 was the paragon ending?

[Taboo]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

First, all races are preserved. One as a Capital, the others as Destroyers. Read the Codex.

Not the quarians, had the Rannoch Reaper not been defeated (or in DerpShepard playthroughs, for that matter).

Also, lol at OP, and his Paragon = good, Renegade = evil mindset.

**** you. sure it was different in ME1 and 2, but in 3 being a renegade = being an idiot. Just in case you want to roleplay a complete idiot.

You lose the debate once you start making personal attacks.

[dreman9999]

Ji99saw wrote...

I agree OP, and the Reapers are the best because they are the oldest in the galaxy not to mention all tech that we use they made

Sure, because nothing like this will happen by working with the reapers...http://www.youtube.c...N3xtUu44#t=238s