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[TheClonesLegacy]

Optimystic_X wrote...




All three endings do that, actually.

Oh yes the "Go buy More DLC" Message when I first saw that I almost Hurled my Controller out the Window

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 26 mai 2012 - 03:21 .

[Byronic-Knight]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Because Paragon Shep apparently always secretly agreed with Saren and Mr. Illusive

THANK YOU!!  

[Vigilant111]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

Nothing is that black and white, even in a game like this, u do realise the by-product of blue and green is making peace with the monsterous reapers who killed so many of your allies? THIS to me, is renegade, its not idealistic at all, what would my friends think (and yes I do give a f**k about what they think)?

[DJBare]

Another that's been indoctrinated by Biowares coloured choices, through the series you are conditioned to accept that the colours are your guide, blue is good, red is bad, you have been indoctrinated into accepting this, the end of ME3 is a good time for Bioware to pull a switch on the player, now it comes down to choosing by colour or by the information given for each choice, stick with colour and Bioware has successfully indoctrinated you.

[Byronic-Knight]

PSjoh wrote...

*snip*

Problem: Synthetics will wipe out organics, We love organics, we want them to exist (not live forever)

*snip*

It is a false problem though from an in-universe narrative perspective, as it has never been demonstrated to exist in any capacity. 

Geth: synthetics created by Quarians as labourers; began asking philosophical questions their creators found disturbing---"Does this unit have a soul?"---and in response, creators attempt to destroy their creation. All indications are that the Geth did not try to wipe out the Quarians, on the contrary they still attempted negotiations while being shot at (see the consenus mission on Rannoch), and those they did kill were done so out of self-defense. 

Project Overlord: scientific experiment to use the Geth’s religious impulse as a weapon (to use Gavin Archer’s phraseology); to that end, he uses his autistic brother, David, who is able to communicate with the Geth, and forcibly integrates his mind with the Geth neural network; in response David becomes frightened, and in an attempt to be rid of the experience, makes the Geth slaughter the scientists---"Please, make it stop" "David doesn’t want to be here"---not really understanding that he was removing his only means of being free. 

Zha’til: From Javik’s conversation, they were an organic race that augmented themselves with implants to enhance their intelligence because they needed to solve the problems of their dying world; the AI seized control of their bodies and was able to alter it at the deepest level; their children were turned into a slave race (it isn’t said explicitly, but one could presume they became slaves to the Reapers, as the Wiki indicates*). 

‘Thief’ AI on the Citadel: Theif created an AI to serve his purposes, as a tool; that AI creates another one before its creator could destroy it; out of retaliation, it falsified financial records resulting in his creators incorceration; it states it wants to escape, and that death would only befall "organics in the blast vicinity" if it could not, because, like the Geth, it acts in self defense and is under the impression that organics are opposed to negotiation or diplomacy**


*masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Zha%27til#Zha.27til

**www.youtube.com/watch

In every instance, the synthetic-organic conflict has arisen as a result of forceful synthesis of organic and synthetic components or a desire of organics to want to subjugate a synthetic after it acheived awareness---after it ceased to be a mere machine and attained a sentience on par with any ‘living’ thing graced with higher cognitave thought processes. 

A refusal to recognise artificial intelligences as still being intelligences---still retaining outmoded notions of machines being the tools of their creators, not realising they are as much entitled to be free from servitude, that they should be free to contemplate and integrate themselves within society as individual members---and organic desire to control them is what caused every war between synthetic and organic races, any other conflict was a result of the irresponsible and coërcive synthesis between the two---the Collectors being the ultimate, tragic example. 

Destroy is no better by any estimation, since you obliterate that entire race, which is why an option to argue the points laid out---that organics are at fault, and we should (and shall, given the circumstances) thereafter treat synthetics with the respect and dignity deserving of every sentient being, rendering the ‘Cycle’ purposeless---is sorely needed. 

Modifié par Byronic-Knight, 26 mai 2012 - 07:58 .

[MerchantGOL]

Red has you committing genocide, so yeah it is the bad choice, same as if you dcided to kill the rahcni queen, sure you can justify it , its still the quintessential Renegade option.

Kill allot of people to get the blunt easy solution.

[Zolt51]

Good is the new bad.

[Pottumuusi]

Color coded, for our convenience.

[Vox Draco]

HellbirdIV wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

First, all races are preserved. One as a Capital, the others as Destroyers.

Except they aren't.

See, it's Reaper propoganda. They say that they "preserve" species in Reapers, but do they really? 

The answer is no. They don't. They preserve information, but individual Reapers are nothing but amalgams of millions of corpses. Nothing that mattered about the species they "preserve" actually remains.

Reapers do not know love or compassion. To them, wantonly killing people, transforming their corpses into Husks to use as cannon fodder to kill other people is not just acceptable, it is their preferred way of doing things. It has been demonstrated in Mass Effect that virtually all sapient species do not agree with this idea.

Reapers do not create or respect art, they destroy almost everything that remains of the harvested species' culture. On purpose. Yet us, as humans, find the idea of wiping out all that remained of an entire civilization to be heinous - that's why we preserve the ruins of past civilizations, like the Giza Pyramids or the Great Wall of China.

If the Reapers preserve the minds and souls of the people they devour, the only explanation for why the Reapers have not destroyed themselves trying to stop the cycles from constantly repeating, is that the Reapers themselves have become indoctrinated, forced to believe in the Catalyst's twisted and wholly false so-called "logic".

The Catalyst insists that he's "saving" the species from extinction, but he's lying. He has crushed everything that mattered about them. He not only took their lives away, but he also ripped out their souls, crushed their art, silenced their ideals and politics, removed their views on life and death... There is nothing left of the trillions of souls the Reapers have destroyed, because they wipe out every last trace of them that they can find - even inside of themselves.

The Reapers do not preserve species. They annihilate them.

Thank you! The Reapers reduce organics to their genetic code and fail to see what a race of individuals is truly all about: the things you mentioned already. Art, fantasy, creativity, love, hate, compassion, culture..

Modifié par Vox Draco, 26 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[Apathy1989]

Destroy is an option for either side I think.

Control seems more renegade. Its pragmatic.

Synthesis seems more paragon. Its a dreamy future that makes no sense.

[Vigilant111]

Destroy option justifies bringing a united fleet as Shepard cannot fight alone, the other options don't

[Jamie9]

Apathy1989 wrote...

Destroy is an option for either side I think.

Control seems more renegade. Its pragmatic.

Synthesis seems more paragon. Its a dreamy future that makes no sense.

I think this proves there is no right or wrong, no paragon or renegade.

I see control and destroy as working for both sides. You can justify them for both ways.

Synthesis... I don't see either of them taking it. It's just... yeah.

[luzburg]

faen ta controll og synthesis. destroy is the spirit of the game and you must do it and its the only way you survive

[Samtheman63]

cool thread bro

[Jadebaby]

Omanisat wrote...

That's most definitely what Bioware wanted us to think...

This, but definitely not what is right.

[Vigilant111]

HellbirdIV wrote...


The answer is no. They don't. They preserve information, but individual Reapers are nothing but amalgams of millions of corpses. Nothing that mattered about the species they "preserve" actually remains.

Could not have said it better, it also points out that after countless cycles of collecting ideas and cultures, the reapers continue to do these things, it pretty much tells you that changing the reapers nature through synthesis is improbable, absorbing humanity and human ideas won't influence them one bit

[Rockstarblunt]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

OP did you play the Mass Effect Series? Sounds like you fully believe what the catalyst has to say, and you Cannot see through this lies. Also sounds like your just a bit upset you got tricked by silly color coding. They tricked you get over it. Destroy is pro life. (Geth/Edi don't die either) Please learn ME. lol

[Pride Demon]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

You might have missed the bits where, you know, the Reapers were destroying entire civilizations, in horrible, horrible ways. Turning people into mindless monsters. Eliminating their personalities and turning them into tech zombies.

And the end result, a new Reaper, would be thoroughly indoctrinated to the Reaper cause and would be just a collection of AI's that THINK they're members of the original race. And that's just for one 'lucky' race. The others? just get wiped out.

It's entirely Paragon to wipe out the zombified, undead remains of previous civilizations that are under control of the biggest war criminal that could ever be imagined.

Just a precisation...
No, the other races are turned into reaper destroyers; the "one race" rule is for the creation of Sovereign-class reapers (reaper dreadnoughts)...

[Vigilant111]

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

OP did you play the Mass Effect Series? Sounds like you fully believe what the catalyst has to say, and you Cannot see through this lies. Also sounds like your just a bit upset you got tricked by silly color coding. They tricked you get over it. Destroy is pro life. (Geth/Edi don't die either) Please learn ME. lol

Wait they don't die? please explain cos I am having a hard time with my conscience, I mean if I was gonna stop and think before pressing destroy buttom which I did, my thoughts would be for Geth and EDI

[Pride Demon]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

OP did you play the Mass Effect Series? Sounds like you fully believe what the catalyst has to say, and you Cannot see through this lies. Also sounds like your just a bit upset you got tricked by silly color coding. They tricked you get over it. Destroy is pro life. (Geth/Edi don't die either) Please learn ME. lol

Wait they don't die? please explain cos I am having a hard time with my conscience, I mean if I was gonna stop and think before pressing destroy buttom which I did, my thoughts would be for Geth and EDI

Another precisation, EDI "apparently" sometimes survives the red ending, at least some claim it to be so, as it never happened to me, there's no indication as of what happens to the geth however, s/he's just assuming...

[Rip504]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

Where is the yellow?


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Rip504 wrote...

What defines a synthetic-organic BTW?


Synthesis refers to a combination of two or more entities that together form something new; alternately, it refers to the creating of something by artifical means.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesis 
dictionary.reference.com/browse/synthesis


Also:Evolution is any change across successive generations in the inherited characteristics of biological populations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including
species,individual organisms and molecules such as DNA & proteins.
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

See also: www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/

<_<

Modifié par Rip504, 26 mai 2012 - 09:30 .

[Rockstarblunt]

Pride Demon wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Rockstarblunt wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

OP did you play the Mass Effect Series? Sounds like you fully believe what the catalyst has to say, and you Cannot see through this lies. Also sounds like your just a bit upset you got tricked by silly color coding. They tricked you get over it. Destroy is pro life. (Geth/Edi don't die either) Please learn ME. lol

Wait they don't die? please explain cos I am having a hard time with my conscience, I mean if I was gonna stop and think before pressing destroy buttom which I did, my thoughts would be for Geth and EDI

Another precisation, EDI "apparently" sometimes survives the red ending, at least some claim it to be so, as it never happened to me, there's no indication as of what happens to the geth however, s/he's just assuming...

Bioware themsleves had said EDI lives in the Destroy option, also confirmed by that one chick Jessica Chobot's twitter that Catalyst indeed lies.

That information shouldn't even matter, can't you smell bullsh*t when hes telling you all these things? Lmao. If your that gullible.. yesh!

[Reorte]

Byronic-Knight wrote...

Zha’til: From Javik’s
conversation, they were an organic race that augmented themselves with
implants to enhance their intelligence because they needed to solve the
problems of their dying world; the AI seized control of their bodies and was able to alter it at the deepest level;
their children were turned into a slave race (it isn’t said explicitly,
but one could presume they became slaves to the Reapers, as the Wiki
indicates*).

Hmm, which ending does that remind me of?

Destroy is no better by any estimation, since you obliterate that entire race, which is why an option to argue the points laid out---that organics are at fault, and we should (and shall, given the circumstances) thereafter treat synthetics with the respect and dignity deserving of every sentient being, rendering the ‘Cycle’ purposeless---is sorely needed.

The possibility of it taking out the geth was a cheap shot from BioWare to make it look like a bad option. But even then they are simply casualties of war.

Modifié par Reorte, 26 mai 2012 - 09:40 .

[Big I]

I don't get synthesis, that ending is just too bizarre. Control is the best option because:


1) You preserve the Citadel and eveyone on it (also sparing the Earth being impacted by the debris). Also the Citadel produces food that the stranded quarians and turians can eat.

2) You're not dumping hazardous materials on populated worlds (i.e. dead Reapers, with the attendant problems of eezo poisoning, indoctrination, and potentially impact from falling out of orbit).

3) You don't kill the geth or other synthetics (or potentially other cyborgs like Shepard, e.g. the salarian transhumans EDI mentions).

4) The relays aren't as badly damaged (and could possibly be repaired by the Reapers).

5) You don't force everything in the galaxy to become a cyborg without permission.

6) Shepard may survive as an immortal synthetic with an army of Reapers at their command (aka the Reaper King or Queen)

7) You achieve victory without wiping out the Reapers, the last legacy of thousands of dead civilisations.