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[Duncaaaaaan]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

**** you.

Well, aren't you the polite one.

Right back at you.

[Ageless Face]

Renegade and paragons are not "good" or "bad". It's using different methods to get a similar result. There is not really a right option to this. It's just what you think will be the best method to end the reaper war. It's more about idealism than good or bad.

But you did a brave thing here. Creating a post saying destroy is the bad option... You should get a commendation for this.

[Vox Draco]

MisterJB wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...
I wonder why so many people are okay with ignoring everything they've seen and experienced the past three games, and still think it is good to side with the Reapers...

And I wonder why so many people are unwilling to rethink their misconceptions when faced with new perspective.

And you never side with the Reapers. In Control, there is no indication Shepard will continue the Cycle. In Synthesis, you acknowledge the Synthetic/Organic conflict as a problem that need to be solved but refuse the Reaper Solution and Shepard finds its own that allows both forms of life to exist.

*shakeheads* what misconceptions? You think that five minutes of dialogue in the end should be the reason to abandon everything we have learned, seen and experienced inmany hours prior? If that is good enough for you, alright...But then you seem to think that the Reapers are "preserving" the races they HARVEST, and that this is a good thing? All I ever saw was men. women and children killed in the most horrorfying way possible...Guess this is a misconception as well. Okay...I don't want to think this way, it makes me a little sick...

[Aiyie]

MisterJB wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Prove to me you can extract the data.

Don't be foolish.

Don't be short-sighted. If Synthesis frees them from the Catalyst's control, the possibility that we might be able to simply communicate with them exist. Think of how much we can learn.

funny enough, i believe TIM used that "Think of how much we can learn." line when he tried to convince Shepard not to blow up the collector base in ME2.

in fact, if i remember right, he called Shepard short sighted there also...

OMFG THE OP IS INDOCTRINATED!

Modifié par Aiyie, 25 mai 2012 - 07:35 .

[Master Xanthan]

I can see why people like synthesis and control, if you really like the geth and want them to live, either of the 2 endings could work. But then again the Reapers deserve no mercy and it just seems wrong to not destroy them for all that they have done to all of the species that have existed. Plus Shepard lives if you choose Destroy (and have over 4000 EMS).

[Taboo]

Only results matter to JB.

He cares nothing of the people he harms in the process.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

**** you.

Well, aren't you the polite one.

Right back at you.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you? People on the Internet do that, you know.

[krukow]

They've killed trillions over the various cycles.

TRILLIONS.

And don't give me that "preserved them" crap. I played mass effect 2. I saw how they "preserve" species. So yeah, I don't care about the reapers motives. They deserve to die and I'm happy to be the one to pull the trigger.

[MisterJB]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Think about what we wouldn't learn. What if we cannot understand the language? The images? Like a Prothean beacon.

Do we have the capacity to do such a thing?

The Reapers make their technology, like the Relays, in a way all organic races can acess it if advanced enough. And Sovereign and Harbinger have spoken with Shepard in his own language.
Making themselves understandable wouldn't be a problem.

Won't they be affected by Synthesis as well? Could that scramble the beings inside?

Synthesis could simply free them. Of course, the minds inside could go mad with guilt or simply due to its new form.
That doesn't mean the attempt shouldn't be made, tough.

What happens to them? Do they stick around? We have no information to the latter.

Do they even retain the data?

Their memories would be enough to impart knowledge.
And I don't know what happens to them. Maybe some decide to help organics as redemption, maybe others choose isolation or even go mad with power.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Aiyie wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Prove to me you can extract the data.

Don't be foolish.

Don't be short-sighted. If Synthesis frees them from the Catalyst's control, the possibility that we might be able to simply communicate with them exist. Think of how much we can learn.

funny enough, i believe TIM used that "Think of how much we can learn." line when he tried to convince Shepard not to blow up the collector base in ME2.

And I couldn't really see the whole point of just blowing up the collector base. Hatred got in the way of reason, blowing it up was simply out of revenge. Why not capture it and use the technology for your own benefit?

In fact, adding to this, people who say the reapers killed trillions and assimilated/transformed us into space zombies, again, you are letting blind hatred get in the way of reason.

Modifié par Duncaaaaaan, 25 mai 2012 - 07:36 .

[Taboo]

OH GOD IT'S MORE PRO RESULTS PEOPLE.

[Master Xanthan]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Aiyie wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Prove to me you can extract the data.

Don't be foolish.

Don't be short-sighted. If Synthesis frees them from the Catalyst's control, the possibility that we might be able to simply communicate with them exist. Think of how much we can learn.

funny enough, i believe TIM used that "Think of how much we can learn." line when he tried to convince Shepard not to blow up the collector base in ME2.

And I couldn't really see the whole point of just blowing up the collector base. Hatred got in the way of reason, blowing it up was simply out of revenge. Why not capture it and use the technology for your own benefit?

Because if you spend too much time near Reaper tech you can get indoctrinated.

[EricHVela]

It's up for interpretation (speculation).

Some people go by color. Some go by what it takes to open up the option. Some go by which person is shown when explaining the options. Some go by which one lets Shepard live with the most EMS.

Go with what's right for you, but I ask that you do not push your reasons upon others who have valid opinions on what's right for their Shepard.

[Bill Casey]

I blew up the human reaper because I just knew the Illusive man and Cerberus would have gotten themselves indoctrinated trying to study it...

They salvaged the Reaper anyway...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 mai 2012 - 07:41 .

[jijeebo]

I agree OP, Control ftw!

[ArcanistLibram]

Control is a bad ending because Shepard has just spent the entire game saying that controlling the Reapers was a bad idea. If Control was supposed to be a good ending, all Bioware had to do was give players the options of agreeing with the Illusive Man's methods.

Synthesis is a bad ending because Shepard violates the free will and personal integrity of every being in the galaxy. Also, it makes no sense within the science of Mass Effect. Does it turn plants into cyborg? Bacteria? How did Bronze Age civilizations all across the galaxy react to suddenly being turned into cyborgs?

[lordofdogtown19]

Listen to yourself! You're indoctrinated.

[Zulmoka531]

I like the thought of destroying the Reapers simply because it FREES people from their methods.

They set up all if not most of the technology in the current Mass Effect universe, by destroying them the surviving races have the chance to grow up along their own path, rather than the predestined one created by genocidal machine gods, and I use "gods" lightly now in given what the Catalyst explains them as.

I look at the Krogan uplifting to fight the Rachni and see similarities to the Reapers and the rest of the galaxy and the advanced tech they "grew" them alongside them.

Huge jumps in tech from studying active Reapers just seems like a great way to start even more war and genocide.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Aiyie wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Prove to me you can extract the data.

Don't be foolish.

Don't be short-sighted. If Synthesis frees them from the Catalyst's control, the possibility that we might be able to simply communicate with them exist. Think of how much we can learn.

funny enough, i believe TIM used that "Think of how much we can learn." line when he tried to convince Shepard not to blow up the collector base in ME2.

And I couldn't really see the whole point of just blowing up the collector base. Hatred got in the way of reason, blowing it up was simply out of revenge. Why not capture it and use the technology for your own benefit?

Because if you spend too much time near Reaper tech you can get indoctrinated.

Collector base wasn't reaper tech... the reason why the collectors were working with the reapers is that Harbinger indoctrinated the collector general.

[Taboo]

Zulmoka531 wrote...
Huge jumps in tech from studying active Reapers just seems like a great way to start even more war and genocide.

MORDIN ****ING SOLUS.

[Giggles_Manically]

Destroy is the only ending where the Reapers get destroyed.
Dead Reapers = Good.

Doing the Reapers job for them and letting them walk = DUMB

[Duncaaaaaan]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Control is a bad ending because Shepard has just spent the entire game saying that controlling the Reapers was a bad idea. If Control was supposed to be a good ending, all Bioware had to do was give players the options of agreeing with the Illusive Man's methods.

Synthesis is a bad ending because Shepard violates the free will and personal integrity of every being in the galaxy. Also, it makes no sense within the science of Mass Effect. Does it turn plants into cyborg? Bacteria? How did Bronze Age civilizations all across the galaxy react to suddenly being turned into cyborgs?

yeah, but at the end Shepard says "huh... the Illusive man was right all along".

[Omanisat]

HagarIshay wrote...

Renegade and paragons are not "good" or "bad". It's using different methods to get a similar result. There is not really a right option to this. It's just what you think will be the best method to end the reaper war. It's more about idealism than good or bad.

But you did a brave thing here. Creating a post saying destroy is the bad option... You should get a commendation for this.

Bioware may have told us this, but don't be fooled. It's very much a good/evil system. Renegade isn't a badass rogue cop, he's a govenment sanctioned psycohpath. 90% of the stuff he does is evil for evil's sake.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 25 mai 2012 - 09:57 .

[Bill Casey]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

yeah, but at the end Shepard says "huh... the Illusive man was right all along".

A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 mai 2012 - 07:43 .