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[Vox Draco]

Bill Casey wrote...

JB loves the Reapers...

Not so sure. I think he really tries to view things from different angles. Yet I wonder if he would still feel sympathy forthe devil if the Reapers knocked on his door and some husks are dragging him to the nearest processing-chamber, and he would have to watch all his loved ones turned into...I must stop thinking abouth this.

Isn't that nightmare-stuff? Can anyone really have this imagine in his/her mind and still try to see anything positive in the Reapers goals and methods? Or feel understanding for their reasons? All this makes me feel is: Never should that happen again. Never should any of these Reaper-abominations get another chance at enforcing their weird point of view on this galaxy...

You can and should always try to see things from different perspectives but...

"If you stare into the Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back at you".- Friedrich Nietzsche

[Kunari801]

-Draikin- wrote...

Exactly. In fact, here's Shepard's very own opinion on that (and this is actually a Paragon interrupt):

 

^-That!

[breakdown71289]

Well i can't speak on behalf of the synthesis choice since i was never offered that in the end, but i do know that the control ending is meant to serve as the "paragon" choice. If you notice in all the endings, there's different variations to them. For example, Big Ben could blow up in all three as opposed to still being intact. Then there's also the follow-up to that of either the soldiers just looking onward or cheering at the defeat of the reapers. If you've played as a full-on paragon like i have, picking the control option has you not only save big ben, but also has the soldiers cheering on. Whenever i reloaded my save and chose the destroy option, Big Ben was destroyed and the soldiers just looked onward.....so this pretty much confirms that the "control" ending was the good ending after all.

[Taboo]

Kunari801 wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...

Exactly. In fact, here's Shepard's very own opinion on that (and this is actually a Paragon interrupt):

 

^-That!

You mad Synthesis people?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bill Casey wrote...

iakus wrote...

 Epilogue for Synthesis:

After Shepard is dissolved in the green space magic, and every living being is made partly synthetic, the Catalyst's eyes begin to glow.  A booming, Harbinger-like voice echoes from the Catalyst across the galaxy

"Assuming direct control"

And then there was peace. 

We will bring your species into harmony with our own.
We are you genetic destiny.
Evolution cannot be stopped.
Embrace Perfection
Progess cannot be halted
Your worlds will become our laboratories
You do not yet comprehend your place in things
Preserve Shepard's body if possible
Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine

Do you mind? I'm highlighting for control and synthesis.

[o Ventus]

-Draikin- wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Nevermind that everything "inside" a Reaper is already dead. It's hard to commit genocide on something that is dead.

Exactly. In fact, here's Shepard's very own opinion on that (and this is actually a Paragon interrupt):

That's actually very fitting.

Going from what Shepard said, it made me think back to the paralyzed colonists on Horizon. Conscious, but totally unable to act. If (Big "if) the organics inside the Reapers are alive, they would be mortified at what they are doing.

[o Ventus]

breakdown71289 wrote...

Well i can't speak on behalf of the synthesis choice since i was never offered that in the end, but i do know that the control ending is meant to serve as the "paragon" choice. If you notice in all the endings, there's different variations to them. For example, Big Ben could blow up in all three as opposed to still being intact. Then there's also the follow-up to that of either the soldiers just looking onward or cheering at the defeat of the reapers. If you've played as a full-on paragon like i have, picking the control option has you not only save big ben, but also has the soldiers cheering on. Whenever i reloaded my save and chose the destroy option, Big Ben was destroyed and the soldiers just looked onward.....so this pretty much confirms that the "control" ending was the good ending after all.

This is false on almost every single level.

[Vox Draco]

Kunari801 wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...

Exactly. In fact, here's Shepard's very own opinion on that (and this is actually a Paragon interrupt):

 

^-That!

*laughs* So if I have to choose between THIS point of view and ... the other ones...I'll rather side with Shepard anyday!

[Helios969]

Talk about a thread dedicated to trolling. I posted this in another forum. Appropriately it fits here.

Destroy is the only option given Bioware stripped freewill from the ending. My Shep was about building cooperation and coalitions throughout the series. There should have been a solution that wasn't about control, destroy, or synthesis, but destroy is the RIGHT choice in dealing with an enemy bent on genocide of all organic life.

A vote for control is a vote for slavery since it takes away freewill, and synthesis is even worse since it takes away everyone's freewill. Like Garrus said: "It's the cold, hard calculus of war. Ten billion die over here so twenty billion over there can live." Personally, I'd rather be slaughtered than have my will dominated.

The ending clearly suggests the ones in control are Bioware's writers, but they may have unwittingly clicked destroy on themselves in the process. We went through 2 and 99/100ths games of something like Star Wars and suddenly were warped through time-space into the Matrix? Worst ending (book, movie, game) EVER.

Modifié par Helios969, 25 mai 2012 - 09:20 .

[Ageless Face]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Do not straw man the argument.

I would rather kill someone than control them. Given the choice between slavery and death, which would you choose?

You also assume that Synthesis creates peace bewtween everyone. It does not. It only solves the issue between organics and Synthetics. Furthermore you change the way they behave. You create a bastardized Utopia.

Your peace is nothing more than a forced behavioral change.

You do know that Brave New World was the inspiration for this bull****?

That it says so on a sheet of paper?

From what the catalyst it telling us, the reapers are already controlled. If they were the free AI Shepard- and we- asuumed they are, then I would agree with you. However, they are not. they are simply weapons and are aiming for orgaincs. 

I assume synthesis will create peace with the synthetics-organics, yes. In between themselves I have no idea, I admit. But future conflicts will be decided by them, not by Sheaprd. Shepard's goal was to find a solution to the reaper problem, not more than that.

As for the new personality, I assume it will be something between organics and synthetics. Having more intelligence, in spite of having your emotoins to be more programed.

Synthesis is not perfect, yet if it was completley flaud, no one would pick this option. 

Vox Draco wrote... 


You mean, the one where the galaxy can shape its own future without being threatened by giant genocidal cuttlefish? And I thought you were against destroy! 

 

Well, this future will leave only the organics intact and ruins the mass relays. Pointless to say it's destroying a lot of the technology, and killing all the synthetics, which deserve to live as much as organics. Maybe saying better shape are not the right words though. It's up to the player to decide which option is best, I guess. 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 25 mai 2012 - 09:27 .

[kookie28]

All the endings are equally valid.

[Helios969]

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

Or invalid.

[Taboo]

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

This. Bioware doesn't want one to take precedence over the other.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Helios969 wrote...

Talk about a thread dedicated to trolling. I posted this in another forum. Appropriately it fits here.

Destroy is the only option given Bioware stripped freewill from the ending. My Shep was about building cooperation and coalitions throughout the series. There should have been a solution that wasn't about control, destroy, or synthesis, but destroy is the RIGHT choice in dealing with an enemy bent on genocide of all organic life.

A vote for control is a vote for slavery since it takes away freewill, and synthesis is even worse since it takes away everyone's freewill. Like Garrus said: "It's the cold, hard calculus of war. Ten billion die over here so twenty billion over there can live." Personally, I'd rather be slaughtered than have my will dominated.

The ending clearly suggests the ones in control are Bioware's writers, but they may have unwittingly clicked destroy on themselves in the process. We went through 2 and 99/100ths games of something like Star Wars and suddenly were warped through time-space into the Matrix? Worst ending (book, movie, game) EVER.

But the reapers aren;t hell bent on destroying all life, just life that become significantly technologically advanced to the point that it creates synthetics.

[M Hedonist]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

You didn't have to open a new thread for this.

[sistersafetypin]

Because Paragon Shep apparently always secretly agreed with Saren and Mr. Illusive

[Taboo]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...
But the reapers aren;t hell bent on destroying all life, just life that become significantly technologically advanced to the point that it creates synthetics.

Not sure if serious....

Do you understand the implications behind those very motives?

[Iakus]

Helios969 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

Or invalid.

This.

[Vox Draco]

HagarIshay wrote...
Well, this future will leave only the organics intact and ruins the mass relays. Pointless to say it's destroying a lot of the technology, and killing all the synthetics, which deserve to live as much as organics. Maybe saying better shape are not the right words though. It's up to the player to decide which option is best, I guess. 

I know about Geth and EDI, but aren't the Relays destroyed in every scenario? And does the kid really say al ltechnology is wiped out, or is that only implied? Not attacking you here, I really don't remember exactly...

[breakdown71289]

o Ventus wrote...

breakdown71289 wrote...

Well i can't speak on behalf of the synthesis choice since i was never offered that in the end, but i do know that the control ending is meant to serve as the "paragon" choice. If you notice in all the endings, there's different variations to them. For example, Big Ben could blow up in all three as opposed to still being intact. Then there's also the follow-up to that of either the soldiers just looking onward or cheering at the defeat of the reapers. If you've played as a full-on paragon like i have, picking the control option has you not only save big ben, but also has the soldiers cheering on. Whenever i reloaded my save and chose the destroy option, Big Ben was destroyed and the soldiers just looked onward.....so this pretty much confirms that the "control" ending was the good ending after all.

This is false on almost every single level.

Not on my playthrough it wasn't.

[Alien1099]

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

Sorry the only way the galaxy can truly be safe is if the machine devils that tried to liquify the entire human race into goop for making new machine devils is if said machine devils are all fried and dead.

[Iakus]

Double post

Modifié par iakus, 25 mai 2012 - 09:29 .

[Iakus]

breakdown71289 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

breakdown71289 wrote...

Well i can't speak on behalf of the synthesis choice since i was never offered that in the end, but i do know that the control ending is meant to serve as the "paragon" choice. If you notice in all the endings, there's different variations to them. For example, Big Ben could blow up in all three as opposed to still being intact. Then there's also the follow-up to that of either the soldiers just looking onward or cheering at the defeat of the reapers. If you've played as a full-on paragon like i have, picking the control option has you not only save big ben, but also has the soldiers cheering on. Whenever i reloaded my save and chose the destroy option, Big Ben was destroyed and the soldiers just looked onward.....so this pretty much confirms that the "control" ending was the good ending after all.

This is false on almost every single level.

Not on my playthrough it wasn't.

My destroy ending had cheering soldiers and Big Ben preserved

[o Ventus]

breakdown71289 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

breakdown71289 wrote...

Well i can't speak on behalf of the synthesis choice since i was never offered that in the end, but i do know that the control ending is meant to serve as the "paragon" choice. If you notice in all the endings, there's different variations to them. For example, Big Ben could blow up in all three as opposed to still being intact. Then there's also the follow-up to that of either the soldiers just looking onward or cheering at the defeat of the reapers. If you've played as a full-on paragon like i have, picking the control option has you not only save big ben, but also has the soldiers cheering on. Whenever i reloaded my save and chose the destroy option, Big Ben was destroyed and the soldiers just looked onward.....so this pretty much confirms that the "control" ending was the good ending after all.

This is false on almost every single level.

Not on my playthrough it wasn't.

It has nothing to do with your P/R orientation. The endings are modified (Hah, modified, that's a good one) according to your EMS.

So yes, on your playthrough it's still false.