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[jijeebo]

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

This.

They all have pros and cons but it's personal preference really, just pick your ending and leave others to pick theirs.

[EricHVela]

iakus wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

Or invalid.

This.

Yup. None of the endings give us anything other than speculations that we either accept or reject. So they are valid or invalid by our own choice of interpretation.

Since we have to fan-fic our choice of ending just to actually have an ending IMHO, it's not a very satisfying one since we had to choose a galaxy-wide fate and still make up the ending after that.

[o Ventus]

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

Too bad they're all equally stupid, too.

[Ageless Face]

Vox Draco wrote...


I know about Geth and EDI, but aren't the Relays destroyed in every scenario? And does the kid really say al ltechnology is wiped out, or is that only implied? Not attacking you here, I really don't remember exactly...

EDIT: They are less destroyed if you pick control.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 25 mai 2012 - 09:37 .

[breakdown71289]

iakus wrote...

breakdown71289 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

breakdown71289 wrote...

Well i can't speak on behalf of the synthesis choice since i was never offered that in the end, but i do know that the control ending is meant to serve as the "paragon" choice. If you notice in all the endings, there's different variations to them. For example, Big Ben could blow up in all three as opposed to still being intact. Then there's also the follow-up to that of either the soldiers just looking onward or cheering at the defeat of the reapers. If you've played as a full-on paragon like i have, picking the control option has you not only save big ben, but also has the soldiers cheering on. Whenever i reloaded my save and chose the destroy option, Big Ben was destroyed and the soldiers just looked onward.....so this pretty much confirms that the "control" ending was the good ending after all.

This is false on almost every single level.

My destroy had Big Ben preserved and soldiers cheering.

Not on my playthrough it wasn't.

That depends on the choices you've made throughout the series though. There are other "good" endings where you could've made more renegade than paragon choices. Sorry if i made the control ending sound like the definitive good ending.

Modifié par breakdown71289, 25 mai 2012 - 09:35 .

[M Hedonist]

"It's blue, therefore it's Paragon!"
Seriously, how did this thread get 8 pages? It's like the trolls don't even have to work for it anymore.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

breakdown71289 wrote...

Well i can't speak on behalf of the synthesis choice since i was never offered that in the end, but i do know that the control ending is meant to serve as the "paragon" choice. If you notice in all the endings, there's different variations to them. For example, Big Ben could blow up in all three as opposed to still being intact. Then there's also the follow-up to that of either the soldiers just looking onward or cheering at the defeat of the reapers. If you've played as a full-on paragon like i have, picking the control option has you not only save big ben, but also has the soldiers cheering on. Whenever i reloaded my save and chose the destroy option, Big Ben was destroyed and the soldiers just looked onward.....so this pretty much confirms that the "control" ending was the good ending after all.

But I did this on Rannoch.

FemShep needed to light a cigar for this scene.

I played through renegon/paragade.... chose destroy. Red wave hit. Soldiers cheered. Big Ben was standing. Shepard took a breath. This shows that Destroy was the good ending after all.

[Vox Draco]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...
But the reapers aren;t hell bent on destroying all life, just life that become significantly technologically advanced to the point that it creates synthetics.

Not sure if serious....

Do you understand the implications behind those very motives?

Oh my god...It really leaves me speechless. The Reapers aren't all bad and evil, because they don't destroy all life, only that kind of life able to create a new form of synthetic life, which is bad, because that could destroy those organics we now destroy to save them...Perfect sense and morally okay! Hooray fpor the Reapers, let's get liquified and preserved! where can I sign?

[o Ventus]

Vox Draco wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...
But the reapers aren;t hell bent on destroying all life, just life that become significantly technologically advanced to the point that it creates synthetics.

Not sure if serious....

Do you understand the implications behind those very motives?

Oh my god...It really leaves me speechless. The Reapers aren't all bad and evil, because they don't destroy all life, only that kind of life able to create a new form of synthetic life, which is bad, because that could destroy those organics we now destroy to save them...Perfect sense and morally okay! Hooray fpor the Reapers, let's get liquified and preserved! where can I sign?

It's funny, because if we're to follow the Reapers' train of logic, then every form of life would eventually be destroyed, by virtue of Godwin's law. Just give the stupid cavemen enough time, and they'll be constructing towering megalopolises and flying cars, with robot butlers (that will inevitably rise up, amirite?).

[Taboo]

Eventually, one species will overtake the Reapers anyway. Like..........humans.

Life uh, finds a way.

[Applepie_Svk]

Destroy is trying to looks like a worst ending:
+ Reapers are dead
- Relays destroyed
- Citadel destroyed
- Fleets trapped around Earth
- Sacrifice of geths (in case that you bring a peace betwen Geth and Quarians you also manage to weak once more Quarians with loosin the geths)
- AI will be back and with AI also conflicts

Control Ending:
+ Reapers are under your command
+ knowlendge and power
+ Helping with Rebuild of Relays
+ Peace is not guaranted but the pressence of Reapers could provide peace with power
- Reapers still exist that is possibile that one day someone will hack them
- Realys destroyed
- Citadel destroyed

Synthesis:

+ Reapers are vanished
+ AI and Organics merged together
+ secured peace for eternity
+ Achieved UTOPIA
+ knowlendge of Reapers become ours
- Relays destroyed
- Citadel destroyed
- Reapers still out there

[Vox Draco]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eventually, one species will overtake the Reapers anyway. Like..........humans.

Life uh, finds a way.

Hey, maybe the EC provides us with enough cool destroy cutscene material, and I'll make a video to that song here...Shepard standing on reaper corpses, holding her LI in her arms...epicness!!!!!!!

[Kunari801]

Taboo-XX wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

This. Bioware doesn't want one to take precedence over the other.

I'll agree, but as presented thus far Destroy is the only one --though still detestable-- the lest of the worst choices.   

Control has some potential but it'd take changes to make it an option I'd pick. 

Synthesis I'm not sure how that could be made acceptable to me.  

[crimzontearz]

Shepard lives = good ending to me

[Zulmoka531]

jijeebo wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

This.

They all have pros and cons but it's personal preference really, just pick your ending and leave others to pick theirs.

While I agree for the most part, I feel the destruction of the Geth and supposedly EDI were hamfisted into destroy simply to add a drawback to itso everyone wouldn't just simply choose it by default. Just my two cents there.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

you know all this arguing doesn't really matter because when you make your choice you blow up the relays and wipe out the galaxy anyway.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 25 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[Iakus]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

This.

They all have pros and cons but it's personal preference really, just pick your ending and leave others to pick theirs.

While I agree for the most part, I feel the destruction of the Geth and supposedly EDI were hamfisted into destroy simply to add a drawback to itso everyone wouldn't just simply choose it by default. Just my two cents there.

Indeed.

Instead of trying to make all the endings into different flavors of good, they made them all into different flavors of bad.  Even to the point of bolting on artificial tragedy.

[jijeebo]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

All the endings are equally valid.

This.

They all have pros and cons but it's personal preference really, just pick your ending and leave others to pick theirs.

While I agree for the most part, I feel the destruction of the Geth and supposedly EDI were hamfisted into destroy simply to add a drawback to itso everyone wouldn't just simply choose it by default. Just my two cents there.

I completely agree.

As much as I like Control, if the Geth and EDI weren't thrown in as some sort of genocidal multi-pack, I probably would've gone destroy first time round...

[Helios969]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Talk about a thread dedicated to trolling. I posted this in another forum. Appropriately it fits here.

Destroy is the only option given Bioware stripped freewill from the ending. My Shep was about building cooperation and coalitions throughout the series. There should have been a solution that wasn't about control, destroy, or synthesis, but destroy is the RIGHT choice in dealing with an enemy bent on genocide of all organic life.

A vote for control is a vote for slavery since it takes away freewill, and synthesis is even worse since it takes away everyone's freewill. Like Garrus said: "It's the cold, hard calculus of war. Ten billion die over here so twenty billion over there can live." Personally, I'd rather be slaughtered than have my will dominated.

The ending clearly suggests the ones in control are Bioware's writers, but they may have unwittingly clicked destroy on themselves in the process. We went through 2 and 99/100ths games of something like Star Wars and suddenly were warped through time-space into the Matrix? Worst ending (book, movie, game) EVER.

But the reapers aren;t hell bent on destroying all life, just life that become significantly technologically advanced to the point that it creates synthetics.

So the annihilation of 1 trillion organics counts less than a sociopathic race of sentient synthetics? 

I would have chosen coexistence over any of the choices forced upon me.  Hell, I brokered peace between the Geth and Quarians despite a 300 year long conflict, and observed through EDI and Legion how organics and synthetics could cooperate.  Since my choices are slavery /  slavery / or eradication of the machines trying to wipe out organic life, I have no problem with eradication.  They did, afterall, bring it upon themselves. So they hardly make for sympathic life forms.  Taking away freewill is the worst thing a humanbeing can be subjected to (which applies to other races) and dominating another's will is arguably the most despicable thing a person can do.  Not to mention control is ever an illusion.  No one is ever truly and absolutely in control.  As Star Brat says: "The created will always rebel against its creator."  The same applies to a subjucated race and a dictator.

[Navasha]

Wow... so if the button to make all the people in the world slaves is blue is color, then it must be the right choice. All things good are blue. Ok. Now at least I understand how modern "logic" works.

[Shallyah]

There is no good or bad ending. Both Renegade and Paragon Shepard's goal is to save the Galaxy. One thinks the means justify the end, other thinks he must follow a medieval paladin-like ethic code.

Both Shepards intentions are GOOD.

That said, I played paragon Shepard (95%+ of my reputation bar was blue) and chose Red, because it was the only way to guarantee that the Galaxy would be forever free of the Reaper threat.

I also thought that if I was playing an evil character I'd likely go for the option of becoming a god and controlling the super race of super machines to do my bidding, and even if I meant to use that control for a good mean, it would still be ethically wrong. In a war I may be forced to kill my enemies to ensure the safety of my people. It's you or them, in the heat of battle. But coldly choosing to enslave and directly control the entire race of your enemy is what some of the most renown dictators of our world's history would do. I bet their intention was also pious and high about protecting their race or their country from possible future invasions.

Modifié par Shallyah, 26 mai 2012 - 12:00 .

[Zix13]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

 If paragon Shepard is supposed to be a pragmatist and wants fairness to all, then surely controlling the Reapers or fusing organics with them so that the Reaper's purpose no longer exists is the best thing to do, as a paragon Shepard who makes paragon choices, hence blue/green.

Destroy is red, because it's a typically renegade thing to do. Shepard just blows everything up like the usual renegade jerk. It's wasteful and crass.

Renegade is supposed to be the pragmatist, first of all, well done there. Paragon is supposed to be the idealist. Destroy is indeed the renegade ending: "victory at all costs". Synthesis solves nothing, obviously. Control is just stupid, since all three games have surrounded reapers wresting control from others. So you're right about one thing, paragons are more likely to choose control. However, paragon would not choose synthesis, since that's not an idealistic thing to do, that's a sociopathic, fundamentally sick thing to do.

[Jamie9]

Navasha wrote...

Wow... so if the button to make all the people in the world slaves is blue is color, then it must be the right choice. All things good are blue. Ok. Now at least I understand how modern "logic" works.

That doesn't describe many people's thought patterns. Destroying the Collector Base in ME2 gave you a RED explosion. That didn't mean it was the renegade choice.

I picked control. I picked it because the Reapers aren't life. They are a mockery of life. I didn't want to destroy the Geth, who are helping the Quarians return to Rannoch, and I didn't think homogenizing the galaxy was a good idea.

And I plan to throw the Reapers into a sun. I win. :happy:

[Helios969]

I also think choosing control results in Sheppard eventually following the same course of action. Once he/she chooses the path of shedding humanity, he/she will observe the chaos of trillions of life forms left to multiply, expand, multiply, expand - war, war, and more war, he/she eventually may come to the same conclusion star brat does and decide to purge organic life. Cycle begins anew. Star brat actually warns of this. "You will lose everything." Meaning everything that it means to be a human being.

[Joe1962]

crimzontearz wrote...

Shepard lives = good ending to me

^This^

Finally someone gets it.

Destroy. First, last and always, for me!