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[poundoffleshaa]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Rip504 wrote...
"Evolution is wrong,we should all be cavemen.!."

"Do I trust Mankind to save itself. That's what Eliza was asking.

The truth is, I don't know...

After everything I've seen. All the fighting and the chaos around me. I only know what I want to believe, somehow, human decency will triumph. These past few months I've faced many life threatening situations, I could of given up many times but my need to know the truth, to uncover the secrets that others were hiding, and to survive forced me to keep on going.

Most of the time, I tried to keep my values in mind knowing that my actions didn't have to harm others. I held onto my humanity. Resisting the urge to abuse power or resources in order to meet my goals. And in the end, I got the job done.

But does this mean that I have the right to choose for everyone? No. Because it isn't up to me. It isn't up to Darrow, Sarif or Taggard either. Ordinary Men and Women will have to decide together, what course Mankind should take.

The kind of people who time and time again have picked and chosen the future in highly practical ways. Slowing change when its negative, speeding it up when its good.

Can they do it again? I don't know.

But I do know, I'm not about to allow anyone in this station, myself included, get in their way."

- Adam Jensen





Okay. I like Adam Jensen. Deal with it 
And I never ask for Synthesis.

You actually choice the sucide option? I prefer the let the Sarif ending.

[PsyrenY]

Icinix wrote...

But thats just it - it either removed it - or it didn't.

If it didn't, you think EDI and Joker are suddenly going to go and hug the Reapers? Or do you think the organic races armada is going to want some kind of revenge on the Reapers? Do you think the Reapers will just lay down and die?

All those children in the galaxy who watched their parents taken by the Reapers, you think they'll grow up loving being one with the Reapers?

It either overides everything that makes organics unqiue - or it achieves nothing.

Good question. Reparations/retribution against the Reapers aren't my problem, however. My enemy was the cycle of extinction, and whether the Reapers bug out or atone for their crimes is none of my concern so long as they stop killing.

Their leader told me there would be peace. He had no reason to lie, and Shepard has trusted synthetics to tell the truth without evidence before. So, I went with it.

OblivionDawn wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

It disturbs me greatly that some people think like this. 

It disturbs me greatly that some people unconditionally fear what they don't understand, even if it doesn't hurt anyone.

But that's human nature.

This.

[Icinix]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Icinix wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

It disturbs me greatly that some people think like this. 

It disturbs me greatly that some people unconditionally fear what they don't understand, even if it doesn't hurt anyone.

But that's human nature.

It disturbs me greatly that some people would unconditionally impose their will on others, despite the fact it does hurt them.

But thats dictator nature.

Right, please tell me who Synthesis hurts.

The second you chose it. Me.

I'll let everyone else speak for themselves - which is not something someone who chooses synthesis allows.

[o Ventus]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Right, please tell me who Synthesis hurts.

The people that live out of the range of a relay. Unless you're saying that the shockwave from the relay's detonation will just travel out infinitely and never dissipate, rendering the destruction of all the relays pointless.

Or everyone born AFTER the synthesis, unless you're saying that women now have mini production lines in their uteruses and implant cybernetics into unborn fetuses.

[Bill Casey]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Their leader told me there would be peace.

No he did not...

[OblivionDawn]

Icinix wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Right, please tell me who Synthesis hurts.

The second you chose it. Me.

I'll let everyone else speak for themselves - which is not something someone who chooses synthesis allows.

You're right, better to destroy an entire species (the Geth) without asking them what they think.

That's defintely the high road.

Why let people speak for themselves when you can just kill them.

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...


There is a difference between suspension of disbelief and flat-out space magic. The former, being biotics, mass effect travel, and the like. Using real-world physics and basic scientific understanding, yes, they are BS. But within the context and restraints of the in-game universe, they are perfectly plausible. 

Explain how the Cipher and Monolith are not space magic. Or any biotic abilities besides throw, pull and singularity.

[Zix13]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

It disturbs me greatly that some people think like this. 

It disturbs me greatly that some people unconditionally fear what they don't understand, even if it doesn't hurt anyone.

But that's human nature.

Choice is the main issue here. Nothing else. If someone wants to "synthesis" themself, that's their business. But it's not anyones business to force that on everyone. 

 Of course I fear people without any shred of moral integrity. However, my fear of them has nothing to do with my lack of understanding, it has to do with the dangers of their nature. 

Also, you assume synthesis is a good thing without knowing what it does. I'm simply cautious enough to put on a parachute before jumping out of a plane. 

[Ji99saw]

Organics have destroyed them selves plenty of times in other cycles, Synthesis gives us away to free us from it. If you pick Destroy then you have only delayed the inevitable and the reaper will return in a different form.

[OblivionDawn]

o Ventus wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Right, please tell me who Synthesis hurts.

The people that live out of the range of a relay. Unless you're saying that the shockwave from the relay's detonation will just travel out infinitely and never dissipate, rendering the destruction of all the relays pointless.

Or everyone born AFTER the synthesis, unless you're saying that women now have mini production lines in their uteruses and implant cybernetics into unborn fetuses.

Implying anyone has cybernetics after they get hit by the shockwave.

Everyone is a seamless combination of both after Synthesis. I imagine that would make reproduction a different process.

[Icinix]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Icinix wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Right, please tell me who Synthesis hurts.

The second you chose it. Me.

I'll let everyone else speak for themselves - which is not something someone who chooses synthesis allows.

You're right, better to destroy an entire species (the Geth) without asking them what they think.

That's defintely the high road.

Why let people speak for themselves when you can just kill them.

I thought we were discussing Synthesis here...not the other dumb endings of ME3.

[Bill Casey]

Ji99saw wrote...

 you have only delayed the inevitable

Bull****...

[dreamgazer]

Bill Casey wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Their leader told me there would be peace.

No he did not...

Shepard: "And there will be peace"

Catalyst: "The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life, but we need each other to make it happen".

Nope, not a single mention of peace.  You're about as certain of peace as you are that the geth and EDI will die along with the Reapers. 

[PsyrenY]

Icinix wrote...

I thought we were discussing Synthesis here...not the other dumb endings of ME3.

Since you have to pick one of them, obviously what the others do is relevant information.

dreamgazer wrote...

Shepard: "And there will be peace"

Catalyst: "The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life, but we need each other to make it happen".

Nope, not a single mention of peace.  You're about as certain of peace as you are that the geth and EDI will die along with the Reapers. 

Don't be a simpleton. "The Cycle" is how he refers to the war.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 26 mai 2012 - 01:02 .

[Rip504]

Zix13 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

"Evolution is wrong,we should all be cavemen.!."

Not sure if serious...

Not even sure what he/she is trying to say. 

Bioware is stating that synthesis is our next step in evolution. So whether you pick control or destroy,Bioware is implying that synthesis will still exist one day. Whether you pick it now or not. It is a simple step in evolution,nothing more. You can not stop it,only decide if we take this step now or later.

Anti-Synthesis can be considered Anti-Evolution.:lol:

I'm anti-ME3 endings.

Modifié par Rip504, 26 mai 2012 - 01:03 .

[Zix13]

Ji99saw wrote...

Organics have destroyed them selves plenty of times in other cycles, Synthesis gives us away to free us from it. If you pick Destroy then you have only delayed the inevitable and the reaper will return in a different form.

Lolwut? "I am right because my headcanon is right." Actually, synthesis does not prevent more synthetics from being created, nor does does it end the reaper conflict, since they're still around to prevent said synthetics from being created. Synthesis literally solves nothing. 

[PsyrenY]

Rip504 wrote...

Bioware is stating that synthesis is our next step in evolution. So wether you pick control or destroy,Bioware is implying that synthesis will still exist one day. Wether you pick it now or not. It is a simple step in evolution,nothing more. You can not stop it,only decide if we take this step now or later.

Of course they are. Transhumanism in general will result in cybernetics and other techno-organic fusions eventually. Synthesis is just faster.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 26 mai 2012 - 01:04 .

[o Ventus]

OblivionDawn wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Right, please tell me who Synthesis hurts.

The people that live out of the range of a relay. Unless you're saying that the shockwave from the relay's detonation will just travel out infinitely and never dissipate, rendering the destruction of all the relays pointless.

Or everyone born AFTER the synthesis, unless you're saying that women now have mini production lines in their uteruses and implant cybernetics into unborn fetuses.

Implying anyone has cybernetics after they get hit by the shockwave.

Everyone is a seamless combination of both after Synthesis. I imagine that would make reproduction a different process.

Your 2 points only reinforce my own. If it's a "seamless combination" of both synthetic and organic "tissue", then the only conclusion I can come to is that organics are now cyborgs and the geth are growing organs in their bodies. What the hell else could it mean? It isn't a synthesis if it's only affecting 1 party, it's just augmentation.

[Zix13]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I thought we were discussing Synthesis here...not the other dumb endings of ME3.

Since you have to pick one of them, obviously what the others do is relevant information.

dreamgazer wrote...

Shepard: "And there will be peace"

Catalyst: "The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life, but we need each other to make it happen".

Nope, not a single mention of peace.  You're about as certain of peace as you are that the geth and EDI will die along with the Reapers. 

Don't be a simpleton. "The Cycle" is how he refers to the war.

Idiot, the cycle is the reapers harvesting advanced civilizations. It does nothing to stop the current reaper war. You honestly think the fleet will stop shooting reapers because their now partly synthetic? No, their families are still dead, their worlds are still burning, and they will still seek vengeance.

[OblivionDawn]

Zix13 wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

It disturbs me greatly that some people think like this. 

It disturbs me greatly that some people unconditionally fear what they don't understand, even if it doesn't hurt anyone.

But that's human nature.

Choice is the main issue here. Nothing else. If someone wants to "synthesis" themself, that's their business. But it's not anyones business to force that on everyone. 

 Of course I fear people without any shred of moral integrity. However, my fear of them has nothing to do with my lack of understanding, it has to do with the dangers of their nature. 

Also, you assume synthesis is a good thing without knowing what it does. I'm simply cautious enough to put on a parachute before jumping out of a plane. 

If choice is the main issue, then Synthesis is the lesser of three evils. Destroy will destroy an entire species (the Geth) without their consent. Control will subjugate an entire species (the Reapers) to your own will (and it will leave them around, presenting the possibility of the cycle restarting).

Synthesis, finally, brings everyone to a higher stage of evolution without killing anyone.

[dreamgazer]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Don't be a simpleton. "The Cycle" is how he refers to the war.

No, "The Cycle" is how he refers to the harvesting. 

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...

Your 2 points only reinforce my own. If it's a "seamless combination" of both synthetic and organic "tissue", then the only conclusion I can come to is that organics are now cyborgs and the geth are growing organs in their bodies. What the hell else could it mean? It isn't a synthesis if it's only affecting 1 party, it's just augmentation.

The leaked script wording answers this: "We will become a little more like you, and you organics will become a little more like us."

What synthetics are lacking is true self-determination (they can have their perspectives completely changed by swapping a file) and empathy. Fixing that lack will prevent a destructive singularity. Organs don't provide those things, they only serve to obfuscate the issue.

[Zix13]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Icinix wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Right, please tell me who Synthesis hurts.

The second you chose it. Me.

I'll let everyone else speak for themselves - which is not something someone who chooses synthesis allows.

You're right, better to destroy an entire species (the Geth) without asking them what they think.

That's defintely the high road.

Why let people speak for themselves when you can just kill them.

First you have to consider the geth to be people. They also have to exist at this point. There is no "good" choice. Destroy is simply the one that actually resolves the main conflict.

[Icinix]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I thought we were discussing Synthesis here...not the other dumb endings of ME3.

Since you have to pick one of them, obviously what the others do is relevant information.

Not really - they all suck. But if you take it as a lesser evil - then control would probably be the best - but since there are so many unknowns about control....its impossible to tell if you could just make the Reapers fly into a black hole, detonate their cores or if you could only pull them away for a few years only to return later.

So I think each ending needs to be put on its own merits here - and synthesis - doesn't have a lot.

Modifié par Icinix, 26 mai 2012 - 01:07 .