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[PsyrenY]

dreamgazer wrote...

What you're saying doesn't change the fact that they're controlled augmentations, most localized, and synthesis isn't.

Simply being a larger scale doesn't make Synthesis bad. The Quarians prove that the concept of such a fusion is a good one.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

A few things.

1. He says that it's the final evolution of life. Evolution takes time and development to cope with the changing world. What if these changed hurt society in a way that no one has forseen? It would be catastrophic, because it now applies to EVERYONE.

2. This is what the Reapers want. Don't give me that "Just because the Catalyst likes it doesn't mean it's what the Reapers want!" He IS the reapers. He created them, and every part of him. Most people don't trust the giant genocidal machines that have killed trillions. 

3. Species are supposted to arrive at this on their own. In doing so, they come up with mechanisms for repairing the damage to their body and the machines that people make. We don't know anything about our cybernetic additions. If they're so damn advanced, and nobody knows the schematics, what's to stop a single mad scientist from creating a new virus that preys on these cybernetics? Since we don't fully know how to build and replace these cybernetics, we could NOT stop it.

4. Again on the "supposted to arrive on their own" thing. See, the Geth and the Quarians are setting a new example for all species. They are co-operating in a way that no known synthetic, besides EDI, has ever done. They have learned to work together. Because of this, they will eventually become a single species out of pure convenience. A synthetic processor attached to an organic brain. Synthesis interrupted this, and now voided the whole purpose of their co-operation. They now have no reason to work together.

5. Consent. What do you think will happen when this "upgrade" hits everyone in the galaxy? This will cause mass panic, possibly mass scuicide, murders, unrest, religious fanatic uprisings, and so on. The death count for this could be in the millions. 

That's why I don't like it. 

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What you're saying doesn't change the fact that they're controlled augmentations, most localized, and synthesis isn't.

Simply being a larger scale doesn't make Synthesis bad. The Quarians prove that the concept of such a fusion is a good one.

"Immuno-boosters" or "neural stimulators" are a bit different than the mass (complete) genetic rewrite of every single organism in the entire galaxy.

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...


"Immuno-boosters" or "neural stimulators" are a bit different than the mass (complete) genetic rewrite of every single organism in the entire galaxy.

"bit different" != "worse."

[dreamgazer]

Optimystic_X wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What you're saying doesn't change the fact that they're controlled augmentations, most localized, and synthesis isn't.

Simply being a larger scale doesn't make Synthesis bad. The Quarians prove that the concept of such a fusion is a good one.

If in a controlled environment, with a purpose in mind, and not realigning the properties of one's DNA.

[PsyrenY]

dreamgazer wrote...

If in a controlled environment, with a purpose in mind, and not realigning the properties of one's DNA.

I do have a purpose in mind - preventing the obsolescence of organics via singularity.

And DNA is not sacrosanct, we engage in genetic engineering all the bloody time. We even know that "gene therapy" exists in ME for humans.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 26 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

o Ventus wrote...


"Immuno-boosters" or "neural stimulators" are a bit different than the mass (complete) genetic rewrite of every single organism in the entire galaxy.

"bit different" != "worse."

Never mind that the quarians aren't even undergoing synthesis, they're merely augmenting a purely organic body.

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...

Never mind that the quarians aren't even undergoing synthesis, they're merely augmenting a purely organic body.

And the result is NOT a "purely organic body." Are they worse off?

[Johanna]

That's... not how evolution works.
Also, synthesis is gross.

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

And DNA is not sacrosanct, we engage in genetic engineering all the bloody time. We even know that "gene therapy" exists in ME for humans.

No we don't. At least, not to the level synthesis takes it. We're not able to take a gorilla, and turn it into a whale by screwing with its DNA. Nor are we able to take a Toshiba TV and splice it into someone.

Gene therapy is also a real thing, only it isn't genetic manipulation, so I have no idea why you put it in quotations and tried to use it to further your point.

[Catamantaloedis]

Synthetics are not alive. Combining organics with synthetics is an affront to the dignity of organic life. It sullied the only form of life known in the galaxy.

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Never mind that the quarians aren't even undergoing synthesis, they're merely augmenting a purely organic body.

And the result is NOT a "purely organic body." Are they worse off?

Have you seen someone with an artificial heart in real life? They're full on organic, only with an artificial supplement to keep them alive. The quarians follow the same basic principle with their augmentation. Just implanting a cybernetic eye or "neural stimulators" doesn't make you an organic/synthetic hybrid, it makes you an organic with synthetic parts inside you, like Shepard.

Synthesis, however, DOES make you a hybrid, seeing as how it REWRITES YOUR DNA TO INCLUDE SYNTHETIC BITS (Never mind that it's impossible).

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...

No we don't.

Mike and Rebecca discuss gene therapy for their baby several times in the series.

 

o Ventus wrote... 

At least, not to the level synthesis takes it.

Nothing exists "to the level Synthesis takes it." It's a brand new thing.
That makes it unknown, not bad.

o Ventus wrote... 
Gene therapy is also a real thing, only it isn't genetic manipulation, so I have no idea why you put it in quotations and tried to use it to further your point.

Therapy is not manipulation? Then what exactly are you trying to accomplish with it?

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...

Have you seen someone with an artificial heart in real life? They're full on organic, only with an artificial supplement to keep them alive. The quarians follow the same basic principle with their augmentation. Just implanting a cybernetic eye or "neural stimulators" doesn't make you an organic/synthetic hybrid, it makes you an organic with synthetic parts inside you, like Shepard.

Synthesis, however, DOES make you a hybrid, seeing as how it REWRITES YOUR DNA TO INCLUDE SYNTHETIC BITS (Never mind that it's impossible).

I'm using the Quarians (and Lazarus) to illustrate the CONCEPT. Obviously there are going to be differences, just like any model.

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...


Therapy is not manipulation? Then what exactly are you trying to accomplish with it?

It's a form of medicine, you simpleton. Remediation, not manipulation. No one is playing God with your amino acid structure. They're removing the disease from your system, not retooling it. Your system itself is left almost untouched.

I was also referring to real life when I typed "No we don't". You failed to elaborate on what you were talking about before your edit. We don't have anything near the level of what's readily available in Mass Effect.

Modifié par o Ventus, 26 mai 2012 - 02:15 .

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Synthetics are not alive. Combining organics with synthetics is an affront to the dignity of organic life. It sullied the only form of life known in the galaxy.

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Okay, fine.

Cameltoeitis, I would like to take this moment to point out that all of your posts and threads seem entirely based upon inciting hate and reactions. In light of this, I name you a troll. Please take your hate mongering and trolling to another forum or board, for it is unwelcome here.

I post Spiderman as support of my claim, as he has also identified you as a troll.

 

You do realize that we are full of "synthetics", right? Synthetic medicine. I would literally eat my hat if you have never had any sort of medication or drug.

Modifié par Reign Tsumiraki, 26 mai 2012 - 03:34 .

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...


It's a form of medicine, you simpleton.

Hey moron, if you need medicine, YOU'RE CHANGING SOMETHING!

Holy balls.

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

o Ventus wrote...


It's a form of medicine, you simpleton.

Hey moron, if you need medicine, YOU'RE CHANGING SOMETHING!

Holy balls.

The point------


------ Your head

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...


The point------


------ Your head

You have no point.

"We don't have anything near the level of what's readily available in Mass Effect."

Mass Effect has a metric ton of technology we don't have in real life, why would I be discussing our own primitive science?

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...


You have no point.

And this is where I take my leave.

You have failed to refute anything I've said, and now that you lack any semi coherent response, you're just going to resort to insults and personal attacks.

[blue water]

IMO synthesis, as described by the catalyst, is the moral equivalent of dumping a psychoactive drug into the galactic water supply. You don't change DNA w/o changing brain chemistry and hormones. Who you were before the green wave is not who you are after. Same applies to everyone you know (knew). Until further explanation is provided (EC perhaps), this is how I view synthesis.

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...


You have failed to refute anything I've said

Likewise, have a good night.

[RaenImrahl]

Less bickering. More on-topic discussion, please.

[Deepo78]

 
Mass Effect always been kind of schizophrenic in the respect that it doesn't quite know whether it's a hard sci-fi story or a space opera. The first game definitely played with alot of hard sci-fi concepts (Artificial Intelligence, the ethics of genocide, humanity through the eyes of other species) but by the second game most of these concepts were kind of moved into the background for a more traditional action story that focuses on a diverse cast of characters. Most of ME3 is character and action driven as well with the hard sci-fi concepts again being relegated into mission objectives yet the Ghost Child sequence seems to be ripped right out of a Carl Sagan novel and the choices he presented seem to be oddly Kurzweilian.

My pet theory is that near the end of the process, the head writers seemed dead set on course correcting Mass Effect back into in a hard sci-fi story but forgetting that a large chunk of the series fans (Myself included) merely suffered through ME1 and only became truly engaged by the second game and were looking for something more engaging on an emotional level.

[Vigilant111]

It is despised because no one could speculate what might happen, and there was very little explanation, the practicality of merging two totally different beings into one is also questionable, not that it is impossible, but improbable