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[mauro2222]

In defense of synthesis... God! it hurts to say it.

Is not the same as the original plan of the Reapers...

I feel dirty.

[Vigilant111]

Asharad Hett wrote...

JamieCardillo wrote...

Synthesis- Why is it so despised?

Because it means you failed.

and I am just waiting for some dude to throw "but they told u at end of game u get a msg saying u ended reaper threat" in your face, which is utter bulls**t

[Aiyie]

BP20125810 wrote...

If IT gets dissproven, are a lot of you going to change your mind about synthesis?

nope.

with out without IT synthesis is a morally abhorent option in my opinion.  its not even an option in my book.

which leaves only control and destroy... and since i don't particularly feel like becoming TIM2.0... well, not much internal debate going on about which option is best.

[Cether]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Asharad Hett wrote...

JamieCardillo wrote...

Synthesis- Why is it so despised?

Because it means you failed.

and I am just waiting for some dude to throw "but they told u at end of game u get a msg saying u ended reaper threat" in your face, which is utter bulls**t

I'm still waiting on that DLC too!

...utter bulls**t...

[BP20125810]

Vigilant111 wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

If IT gets dissproven, are a lot of you going to change your mind about synthesis.

NO! I DON'T

I am not crazy about IT, though I think a lot of problems will go away if its upheld by BW, but I have been a longtime advocate of critiquing control/synthesis options objectively, so far your pro arguments have not been convincing

Just think of the benefits.  It's almost mind-boggling the possiblitles that synthesis unlocks.  The other two endings are straight forward.  Control- you control the reapers.  Destroy- you destroy the reapers. Synthesis- you bring all the life of the Milky Way Galaxy to the apex of evolution.

I just beleive that the mysterious possiblilities of a synthetic ME 3 future are too juicy to pass up.  Plus green happens to be my favorite color.

[Vigilant111]

BP20125810 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

If IT gets dissproven, are a lot of you going to change your mind about synthesis.

NO! I DON'T

I am not crazy about IT, though I think a lot of problems will go away if its upheld by BW, but I have been a longtime advocate of critiquing control/synthesis options objectively, so far your pro arguments have not been convincing

Just think of the benefits.  It's almost mind-boggling the possiblitles that synthesis unlocks.  The other two endings are straight forward.  Control- you control the reapers.  Destroy- you destroy the reapers. Synthesis- you bring all the life of the Milky Way Galaxy to the apex of evolution.

total crap

Modifié par Vigilant111, 26 mai 2012 - 06:55 .

[ZIPO396]

I have multiple reasons to hate it. Two of them are just based on logic.

1. Final evolution? There's no such thing.
2. The Starbrat claims it as it's big solution that'll solve everything. It's obviously not smart enough to realise the new hybrid things could still make Synthetics and those Synthetics could still do his worst fears. Not that they are guaranteed to in the first place.

Then it's also a complete U-turn on that whole everyone is different but it's cool thing the game was spouting earlier. Other than that the rest is just based on general speculation. EG What if someone can now hack your brain? To hell with that I don't want anyone in my brain. What if everyone is now a networked intelligence? I'd rather not have to explain the issues with that it makes the getting your brain hacked thing look tame in comparison. Etc...

[Vigilant111]

BP20125810 wrote...

Just think of the benefits.  It's almost mind-boggling the possiblitles that synthesis unlocks.  The other two endings are straight forward.  Control- you control the reapers.  Destroy- you destroy the reapers. Synthesis- you bring all the life of the Milky Way Galaxy to the apex of evolution.

I just beleive that the mysterious possiblilities of a synthetic ME 3 future are too juicy to pass up.  Plus green happens to be my favorite color.

edited response:

I am sorry but synthesis sounds like it has STOPPED the NATURAL process of evolution, who are the reapers to tell organics when evolution should end, they are not gods, they are not the galaxy itself, they have no f**kin' right to do anything, and they are created by organics who were stupid enough to make the f**king reapers in the first place, at least the early version of it

Modifié par Vigilant111, 26 mai 2012 - 06:53 .

[Vigilant111]

lightsnow13 wrote...

I kind of wish they only had control or destroy.

Yes u can, by not having enough effective military strength...

I hate it when synthesis supporters say high EMS enables synthesis therefore it is good, such weak argument

I quote Cartman: lammmmme, weeeeeaaaaaak

[Zix13]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Synthesis affects everyone and everything. It's like sticking each individual person in a new body. Since you have no morals, I'll stop that argument there and continue with others. First off, synthesis doesn't end the reaper war. It doesn't prevent synthetics from being created. Also here's the point you have missed countless times, in caps, so you can pay more attention to it: YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SYNTHESIS ACTUALLY DOES. You do not know to what extent it modifies organics, nor do you know how invasive it is, nor do you know how it works, nor do you know that it has any advantages despite your claim of "higher stage of evolution" or w.e. You also seem to be using a different definition of evolution than I am. Putting protective gloves on isn't evolution, nor is grafting on a new arm, nor is putting green LEDs under your skin.  

You know for a fact that Synthesis blends organics and synthetics together.

You also know (based on the ending) that the event isn't traumatizing enough to cause people to start shrieking in horror, or to cause whatever apocalyptic scene you would like to see to support your feelings. Everyone seems pretty chill about being "invaded" and "raped" or whatever.

So I don't really see what point you're trying to make by saying it effects everyone. It makes everyone better, true. I don't see the problem in that though.

Also, my morals aren't part of this argument. I personally prefer the Destroy ending. I'm simply being the devil's advocate for Synthesis because I enjoy debating for the less popular side. Don't pass try to pass judgement on my morality just to support your weak arguments.

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES EVERYONE BETTER. 
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES EVERYONE BETTER. 
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES EVERYONE BETTER. 
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES EVERYONE BETTER. 
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES EVERYONE BETTER. 
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES EVERYONE BETTER. 
Please acknowledge...


Speaking of weak arguments, anything based of of the recycled soldier fistpump cutscene is pretty weak, as is basing it off the two? people you see walk of the Normandy with green glowing eyes(also recycled). Even with the soldiers, they may not have noticed because:
a)synthesis just might take some time
b)adrenaline
c)they were too confused about the green explosion and reapers leaving
All of which are very plausible.
Sample size for reaction to synthesis: one cripple romantically involved with a robot and one other who does the exact same thing in the other endings. You're premise for the "everyones cool with being violated" argument is about as valid as "God says so because I do".

Joker doesn't embrace with EDI in any of the other endings. Sorry, misread that part of your post.

You call my arguments weak but your rebuttle consists of pure speculation and telling me that the actual ending is "weak" evidence for what happens in the actual ending.

No matter what you would like to speculate, you can clearly see that everyone isn't freaking out about being synthesized. That's just a fact.

And even if Synthesis didn't make everyone better, it would still be the lesser of all evils because it doesn't require the death of the Geth or the subjugation of the sentient Reapers (which is just as abhorrant as Synthesis, if you're so concerned about choice).

I;m too drunk to create a real resoponse to this right now, maybe tomorrow if I remember. 

[stysiaq]

Most far-fetched of all the endings, completely unexplained, in a franchise I got into because it provided answers.

What exactly the organic DNA will merge with?
How will mitosis and meiosis work from now on?
How is that the team building the Crucible didn't realise they build an extremly precise mechanism operating on molecular level?
...
and so on.
Also, stupid.

[Vigilant111]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Joker doesn't embrace with EDI in any of the other endings.[/s] Sorry, misread that part of your post.

You call my arguments weak but your rebuttle consists of pure speculation and telling me that the actual ending is "weak" evidence for what happens in the actual ending.

No matter what you would like to speculate, you can clearly see that everyone isn't freaking out about being synthesized. That's just a fact.

And even if Synthesis didn't make everyone better, it would still be the lesser of all evils because it doesn't require the death of the Geth or the subjugation of the sentient Reapers (which is just as abhorrant as Synthesis, if you're so concerned about choice).

I thought synthesis supporters are the ones speculating, for destroy supporters, they will just have to deal with the reality of destroying the Geth and accept it as neccessary sacrifice they have to make for creating synthetics, grim I know

I am not convinced that Geth and EDI would think synthesis is a good idea

[Pottumuusi]

Because Synthesis is so atrociously stupid and a gross bastardisation of how biology works.

[Vigilant111]

stysiaq wrote...

Most far-fetched of all the endings, completely unexplained, in a franchise I got into because it provided answers.

What exactly the organic DNA will merge with?
How will mitosis and meiosis work from now on?
How is that the team building the Crucible didn't realise they build an extremly precise mechanism operating on molecular level?
...
and so on.
Also, stupid.

Synthesis: great now two kinds (instead of one) of viruses can kill us, computer ones and biological ones

[Shallyah]

If Mac Walters intended for Synthesis to be the best ending, then I don't know what to say.

Only that I will think twice before wanting to have anything to do again with someone with such moralities.

That ME3 ending is bad and incomplete, well, sucks but can happen. Wouldn't stop me from purchasing other stuff by the same team as ME. In the other hand, that whoever decided that being a coward and agreeing to turn everyone into synthetic hybrids while raping the identity and genes of every individual and race of the Galaxy is the best choice... sorry, not touching anything that comes out of their minds ever again with a 10 meter pole.

Modifié par Shallyah, 26 mai 2012 - 08:06 .

[NickelToe]

Shallyah wrote...

If Mac Walters intended for Synthesis to be the best ending, then I don't know what to say.

Only that I will think twice before wanting to have anything to do again with someone with such moralities.

That ME3 ending is bad and incomplete, well, sucks but can happen. Wouldn't stop me from purchasing other stuff by the same team as ME. In the other hand, that whoever decided that being a coward and agreeing to turn everyone into synthetic hybrids while raping the identity and genes of every individual and race of the Galaxy is the best choice... sorry, not touching anything that comes out of their minds ever again with a 10 meter pole.

I agree, but you used the metric system.  That will cost you.

[Pottumuusi]

NickelToe wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If Mac Walters intended for Synthesis to be the best ending, then I don't know what to say.

Only that I will think twice before wanting to have anything to do again with someone with such moralities.

That ME3 ending is bad and incomplete, well, sucks but can happen. Wouldn't stop me from purchasing other stuff by the same team as ME. In the other hand, that whoever decided that being a coward and agreeing to turn everyone into synthetic hybrids while raping the identity and genes of every individual and race of the Galaxy is the best choice... sorry, not touching anything that comes out of their minds ever again with a 10 meter pole.

I agree, but you used the metric system.  That will cost you.

Metric stomps all.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Out of the three unethical choices, synthesis is the most evil choice in my opinion

I hate the idea of forcing such an unethical change on all life in the universe. What gives Shepard the right to decide such a thing? One of the most dominant themes of the ME games is choice and free will, which in the synthesis ending Shepard strips from everyone in the galaxy. At least the destroy choice just kills the geth and doesn't change them. (I'm one of those "death before brainwash" kinda people).

Not to mention the insinuation that it is somehow the end of evolution is downright laughable. Any fiction claiming something to be the "end" or "pinnacle" of evolution is bad writing imo. Anyone who understands how evolution works knows it is an ongoing process that cannot be "concluded", and there is no "highest state" of evolution that can be achieved. For it to work that way would require it to always be moving toward the same end result, which it doesn't.

[Rip504]

What defines a synthetic-organic BTW?


Synthesis refers to a combination of two or more entities that together form
something new; alternately, it refers to the creating of something by artifical means.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesis 
dictionary.reference.com/browse/synthesis


Also: Evolution is any change across successive generations in the inherited characteristics of biological populations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species,individual organisms and molecules such as DNA & proteins.   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

See also: www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/

[Rip504]

sorry*

Modifié par Rip504, 26 mai 2012 - 09:28 .

[George Costanza]

Synthesis absolutely sucks. And not just from the ethical standpoint. It annoys me most just because of the sheer stupidity of it. Jump into some light and suddenly people start growing microchips? Errr yeah. Good one, Bioware.

The endings all suck. No question about it. But Control and Destroy could be much better if they'd only bothered to actually explain anything rather than just throwing the ghost brat at you and telling you to pick a colour. A bit of explanation and seeing the repurcussions of your actions, and even though I wouldn't be thrilled (at all), the Control and Destroy options are passable.

Synthesis is just an atrocious idea. The (non-existant) explanation makes it by far the worst of the three endings, because of the three, it's the one that requires the MOST explanation to make sense on any kind of level. They don't explain it. You just get told what will happen in a couple of vague sentences. And that leaves too many questions for me, the most pertinent being, "How is any of this possible even as science fiction?".

That's just how I feel about how the idea is presented, too. If you start getting into the morals of it it gets even worse.

[Vigilant111]

George Costanza wrote...

Synthesis absolutely sucks. And not just from the ethical standpoint. It annoys me most just because of the sheer stupidity of it. Jump into some light and suddenly people start growing microchips? Errr yeah. Good one, Bioware.

The endings all suck. No question about it. But Control and Destroy could be much better if they'd only bothered to actually explain anything rather than just throwing the ghost brat at you and telling you to pick a colour. A bit of explanation and seeing the repurcussions of your actions, and even though I wouldn't be thrilled (at all), the Control and Destroy options are passable.

Synthesis is just an atrocious idea. The (non-existant) explanation makes it by far the worst of the three endings, because of the three, it's the one that requires the MOST explanation to make sense on any kind of level. They don't explain it. You just get told what will happen in a couple of vague sentences. And that leaves too many questions for me, the most pertinent being, "How is any of this possible even as science fiction?".

That's just how I feel about how the idea is presented, too. If you start getting into the morals of it it gets even worse.

Well that's why they keep saying morals are irrelvant, and the issue is purely logical and scientific <_<

[ticklefist]

Synthesis is awesome. It does not make everyone alike. Everyone is still unique. Turians are still Turian, only now they're Turians+. Humans are still Human, just now they're Human+. So on so forth. They homogenize the races no more than blood does. The technological upgrades, for lack of a better term, are blood 2.0 for the purposes of this story.

Edit: Sorry, synthesis is awesome in relation to the other, more terrible endings. It is still a bad ending.

Modifié par ticklefist, 26 mai 2012 - 10:12 .

[George Costanza]

Vigilant111 wrote...

George Costanza wrote...

Synthesis absolutely sucks. And not just from the ethical standpoint. It annoys me most just because of the sheer stupidity of it. Jump into some light and suddenly people start growing microchips? Errr yeah. Good one, Bioware.

The endings all suck. No question about it. But Control and Destroy could be much better if they'd only bothered to actually explain anything rather than just throwing the ghost brat at you and telling you to pick a colour. A bit of explanation and seeing the repurcussions of your actions, and even though I wouldn't be thrilled (at all), the Control and Destroy options are passable.

Synthesis is just an atrocious idea. The (non-existant) explanation makes it by far the worst of the three endings, because of the three, it's the one that requires the MOST explanation to make sense on any kind of level. They don't explain it. You just get told what will happen in a couple of vague sentences. And that leaves too many questions for me, the most pertinent being, "How is any of this possible even as science fiction?".

That's just how I feel about how the idea is presented, too. If you start getting into the morals of it it gets even worse.

Well that's why they keep saying morals are irrelvant, and the issue is purely logical and scientific <_<

Too bad the logic and the science behind it are even worse than the morality of it.