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[Mastermadskills]

Because it is stupid as ****.

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[Shepard Wins]

Because it's asstastic.

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[Malditor]

Scalabrine wrote...

I don't know why people don't get it...why do we hate it you ask?

It's hitler-ish. Your're playing space hitler by trying to unite the galaxy into one "perfect" race.

That answer your question?

This is the prime example of a non logical response, because in no way is that an apt description of how/why I chose this option on my first playthrough. Obviously it didn't create ONE race because all races retain their original form and features with the exception of the green pulsation in their skin.

If that's how you feel about the decision, that's definitely your right, but I'm sure nobody that chose this ending thought this way.

As for the "road to hell" quote about chosing synthesis, ever heard of the saying "if you point the finger at someone else four more are pointing back at you". Any decision could be thought of as being on the road to hell. Nobody knows definitively what the lasting consequences are of any choice. Destroying the newly friendly geth by using the destroy option could lead to the creation of new synthetics that will end up wiping organics out. Control isn't guaranteed to work either.

We all speculate or formulate our own reasons for or conclusions of what happens after we make our choice.

[Mastermadskills]

Shepard Wins wrote...

Because it's asstastic.

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NEW WORD OF THE DAY!

ASSTASTIC INTEGRITY.

[warrior256]

For me, it is because of the moral implications of it. You are FORCING everyone into becoming half organic/ half robot. I don't think that sort of choice is something that anyone should be forced into. For example, I know I would refuse that sort of thing if it was offered to me. Plus there is no reason to assume that you are not simply enslaving the entire galaxy under a reaper controlled government.

That's not even getting into the scientific aspect of this.

[Orumon]

Simply put: Any life form that states that they're at the pinnacle of evolution is in fact either deluded or arrogant to the point of blindness.

Evolution is required for adaptation, and there are always new challenges. ALWAYS. Since the Catalyst states that he'll bring all life in the galaxy to the final stage, it can be logically extrapolated that he'll remove the capacity for mutation as well, effectively removing any chance of life evolving beyond the point where he couldn't stop them if he so wished. If the reapers are now redundant, why are they not dismantled as useless? Simple, because they're still needed when pure (organic OR synthetic) life evolves naturally again in billions of years.

Add to that the fact that narrowing biodiversity is in fact not so much a sin as an act of cosmic stupidity. If you are all genetically too similar, you're one bioweapon away from death. Mutation and biodiversity are two very effective defenses against the spread of disease.

Common sense, folks.

[Orumon]

Sarc69 wrote...

Because I don't believe that there's the smallest legitimacy to the notion that evolution is teleological or that there is a final destination to it. Padok Wiks' arguments (such as they are - I like the character but the arguments are weak) to the contrary notwithstanding.

And if some being tells me that evolution does have an end-point, I at least want to be able to say "no it flipping well doesn't." If I'm then forced into making a decision I regard as nonsensical, at least I've had my say.

Actually, barring exceptional circumstance, evolution CAN have end points. These are called evolutionary dead ends and everytime a life for has got stuck into one it have been unable to adapt to changes in their environment and wiped out (read: Dodo)

[DRTJR]

Destroy is the option that makes the most sense to me.The Reapers are irrefutably dead. We can rebuild the mass effect relays, and society can rebuild. We rid our selves of Reaper tech and we can boldly go were no man has gone before.

[The Night Mammoth]

Orumon wrote...

Sarc69 wrote...

Because I don't believe that there's the smallest legitimacy to the notion that evolution is teleological or that there is a final destination to it. Padok Wiks' arguments (such as they are - I like the character but the arguments are weak) to the contrary notwithstanding.

And if some being tells me that evolution does have an end-point, I at least want to be able to say "no it flipping well doesn't." If I'm then forced into making a decision I regard as nonsensical, at least I've had my say.

Actually, barring exceptional circumstance, evolution CAN have end points. These are called evolutionary dead ends and everytime a life for has got stuck into one it have been unable to adapt to changes in their environment and wiped out (read: Dodo)

Which is different from the 'pinnacle' or final stage. 

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

The Night Mammoth wrote...


Shepard will not be under their control, unless you have information that states otherwise. 

but every atempt in canon lore to control reaper tech or reapers has lead to them controlling, the person or persons trying to control them, why would this be different?

How do you know she dies? I see her uploading herself into the Citadel to become the Catalyst and take control, losing her organic form in the process. 

Because he disintegrated in what looks like agony and there is no way to know if he was uploaded, and it is implied by the starchild that its a one time thing.

The Relays have existed for the entire duration of this cycle. They have been used for good and evil, so I don't really care. 

awesome reply

Thanks, you don't have to prove otherwise.

/facepalm

I never said there were definitive answers. Your speculation is as good as mine. 

your the one dealing in speculation, i'm basing my theories on the facts that bioware have provided with previous games and books.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Orumon wrote...

Sarc69 wrote...

Because I don't believe that there's the smallest legitimacy to the notion that evolution is teleological or that there is a final destination to it. Padok Wiks' arguments (such as they are - I like the character but the arguments are weak) to the contrary notwithstanding.

And if some being tells me that evolution does have an end-point, I at least want to be able to say "no it flipping well doesn't." If I'm then forced into making a decision I regard as nonsensical, at least I've had my say.

Actually, barring exceptional circumstance, evolution CAN have end points. These are called evolutionary dead ends and everytime a life for has got stuck into one it have been unable to adapt to changes in their environment and wiped out (read: Dodo)

Which is different from the 'pinnacle' or final stage. 

 

pinnacle' or final stage



This statement scares the **** out of me, if you reach the pinnacle or final stage of evolution you do realize there is nothing else but stagnation and death.


you need to read dune.

[Raizo]

Personally I went with the 'Synthesis' option since I thought it was the least offensive choice, then I came to these forums and I realised that 'Synthesis' is probably the most controversial of the 3 choices, it is by far the one that has the most topics and creates the most debates.

Why is it so despised? I honestly don't know, I think it is 'Space Magic' thing. There is so much about it that we don't understand, how does it work, how does an energy shockwave suddenly alter every single life form in the universe so drastically, how does it change all the organics ( would it cure Joker's Vrolik syndrome ), the synthetics ( is EDI suddenly an organic, can she now mate and give birth ), how does it affect the Reapers who are classified as both machines and organics.

It's a lot easier to understand the ramifications of the 'Control' and 'Destroy' endings.

[CuseGirl]

Raizo wrote...

Personally I went with the 'Synthesis' option since I thought it was the least offensive choice, then I came to these forums and I realised that 'Synthesis' is probably the most controversial of the 3 choices, it is by far the one that has the most topics and creates the most debates.

Why is it so despised? I honestly don't know, I think it is 'Space Magic' thing. There is so much about it that we don't understand, how does it work, how does an energy shockwave suddenly alter every single life form in the universe so drastically, how does it change all the organics ( would it cure Joker's Vrolik syndrome ), the synthetics ( is EDI suddenly an organic, can she now mate and give birth ), how does it affect the Reapers who are classified as both machines and organics.

It's a lot easier to understand the ramifications of the 'Control' and 'Destroy' endings.

All the endings have a level of suckitude. Even the Destroy ending which I would choose every single time. But the synthesis ending just takes the cake. It really does:

1. Space magic.
2. Sounds eerily similar to Saren's desires for organic races and he was indoctrinated
3. At its surface, it can be described as a massive huskification of the galaxy
4. Marketed as the "perfect" ending by the esteemed writers of the entire ending, so it's tough to get behind it in support anyway....
5. Doesn't really explain why the Reapers go away. Was it a compromise? Did Shepard satisfy some technological requirement of the Reapers? And the Reapers were like "oh, they're a little bit more like us now, let's end the war"? Honestly, it doesn't make much sense as to why the Reapers leave. Who told them to leave?

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

If you apply the concept more broadly, they're basically saying that peaceful coexistance between organics and synthetics is impossible and that tolerance is, I guess, a myth. Synthesis is the forced homogenization of organics and synthetics. It's not just ethically troubling, but contradicts the rest of the series.

It'd be like someone saying that people of different religions are inherently incapable of peaceful coexistance (because I guess a computer told them so) and so we should force everyone to adopt a new hybrid religion. One with the strengths of all the dominant religions, but the weaknesses of none. You'd think that person was an idiot and/or an a__hole, which is where we find ourselves with Synthesis.

[DJBare]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

and I am just waiting for some dude to throw "but they told u at end of game u get a msg saying u ended reaper threat" in your face, which is utter bulls**t

Your delicious tears. Give me them.

Yeah, lets not strain ourselves by considering Bioware are attempting to headf*ck the "player", or maybe you just don't like the idea of being fooled.

[CuseGirl]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

If you apply the concept more broadly, they're basically saying that peaceful coexistance between organics and synthetics is impossible and that tolerance is, I guess, a myth. Synthesis is the forced homogenization of organics and synthetics. It's not just ethically troubling, but contradicts the rest of the series.

It'd be like someone saying that people of different religions are inherently incapable of peaceful coexistance (because I guess a computer told them so) and so we should force everyone to adopt a new hybrid religion. One with the strengths of all the dominant religions, but the weaknesses of none. You'd think that person was an idiot and/or an a__hole, which is where we find ourselves with Synthesis.

"People of different post-spaceflight races are inherently incapable of peaceful coexistance. So the best choice Shepard is for everyone to adopt a new hybrid DNA. One with the strengths of all the dominant races, but the weaknesses of none."

I can see Starchild or Saren saying this exact thing.....

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

CuseGirl wrote...

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

If you apply the concept more broadly, they're basically saying that peaceful coexistance between organics and synthetics is impossible and that tolerance is, I guess, a myth. Synthesis is the forced homogenization of organics and synthetics. It's not just ethically troubling, but contradicts the rest of the series.

It'd be like someone saying that people of different religions are inherently incapable of peaceful coexistance (because I guess a computer told them so) and so we should force everyone to adopt a new hybrid religion. One with the strengths of all the dominant religions, but the weaknesses of none. You'd think that person was an idiot and/or an a__hole, which is where we find ourselves with Synthesis.

"People of different post-spaceflight races are inherently incapable of peaceful coexistance. So the best choice Shepard is for everyone to adopt a new hybrid DNA. One with the strengths of all the dominant races, but the weaknesses of none."

I can see Starchild or Saren saying this exact thing.....

Yeah, why they decided to make the indoctrination-fueled insanity of a psychotic turian the 'best' ending I have no idea.

[frylock23]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Orumon wrote...

Sarc69 wrote...

Because I don't believe that there's the smallest legitimacy to the notion that evolution is teleological or that there is a final destination to it. Padok Wiks' arguments (such as they are - I like the character but the arguments are weak) to the contrary notwithstanding.

And if some being tells me that evolution does have an end-point, I at least want to be able to say "no it flipping well doesn't." If I'm then forced into making a decision I regard as nonsensical, at least I've had my say.

Actually, barring exceptional circumstance, evolution CAN have end points. These are called evolutionary dead ends and everytime a life for has got stuck into one it have been unable to adapt to changes in their environment and wiped out (read: Dodo)

Which is different from the 'pinnacle' or final stage. 

Not so much. Everyone on earth likes to think of mankind as the height of evolutionary development because we're the dominant species, but actually we're just relative babes in diapers in the evolutionary sense. If you want to look for the real pinnacle of evolution on earth, you're looking for those critters that have changed the least for the longest periods of time. In that sense, you're looking at some of earth's more primitive and simpler forms of life, things like sharks, maybe alligators/crocodiles/turtles, whose basic design has remained pretty much constant since before fish had bony skeletons. We're talking about things that have survived planetary extinction level events, come out smiling on the far side and still retained pretty much the exact same body blueprint.

Mankind? We really haven't done that yet, and until we do, we have no room to go thinking we're all that. Hell, most of us would pretty much starve to death if we lost all power for the foreseeable future at some point in the next two days.

Modifié par frylock23, 26 mai 2012 - 11:08 .

[BP20125810]

I believe most of the negative responses to synthesis seem to be due to the fact that Bioware boggled the whole ending sequence in the first place. if you are going to have such a drastic choice as synthesis, you going to have to go into a bit more detail than just saying it creates a new type of DNA or whatever. It's that type of misinformation that causes the average gamer to step back and go "woah, WTF?"

I don;t really belive permission should play into the "negativity" surrounding synthesis. I mean sure, you don't ask people for permission to change their DNA, but you don't ask the geth or EDI if they would mind getting killed, and you don't ask anyone else if they would be okay with you controlling ALL the reapers by YOURSELF.

I just really wish Shepard gave Hacket or anyone a call for some info. Would've helped a ton.

[astrallite]

ticklefist wrote...

Synthesis is awesome. It does not make everyone alike. Everyone is still unique. Turians are still Turian, only now they're Turians+. Humans are still Human, just now they're Human+. So on so forth. They homogenize the races no more than blood does. The technological upgrades, for lack of a better term, are blood 2.0 for the purposes of this story.

Edit: Sorry, synthesis is awesome in relation to the other, more terrible endings. It is still a bad ending.

It's awesome except nobody figured out spaceflight for generations even with high tech...sounds like this choice just made it easier for the Reapers to keep track of everyone now they all have computer chips inside!

Even worse than control...it's like control+

[CuseGirl]

BP20125810 wrote...

I believe most of the negative responses to synthesis seem to be due to the fact that Bioware boggled the whole ending sequence in the first place. if you are going to have such a drastic choice as synthesis, you going to have to go into a bit more detail than just saying it creates a new type of DNA or whatever. It's that type of misinformation that causes the average gamer to step back and go "woah, WTF?"

I don;t really belive permission should play into the "negativity" surrounding synthesis. I mean sure, you don't ask people for permission to change their DNA, but you don't ask the geth or EDI if they would mind getting killed, and you don't ask anyone else if they would be okay with you controlling ALL the reapers by YOURSELF.

I just really wish Shepard gave Hacket or anyone a call for some info. Would've helped a ton.

The permission angle is only ONE of the issues with synthesis. From a narrative standpoint, it's completely off the rails (especially since it was marketed to fans as the perfect ending/choice if you had a high EMS). Basically what the devs are saying "all this time, Shep, you've been trying to solve the conflict between synthetics and organics. miraculously, the Crucible scientists have built the solution". Problem is, that's not the game I've been playing. I've been playing this game with the intentions to kill the Reapers.

Even if the Starchild went into a 10 minute diatribe explaining how disentegrating Shepard into that beam of light would somehow merge organic DNA with "synthetic DNA", I would still hate it as a choice. Because it really has no business being in the game.

There isn't even an explanation as to why choosing synthesis makes the Reapers stop attacking...

[xbb1024]

CuseGirl wrote...

There isn't even an explanation as to why choosing synthesis makes the Reapers stop attacking...

Maybe when everyone is merged, the Reapers aren't able to recognize them as 'advanced organics' anymore.(assumption, ofcorse).

[o Ventus]

xbb1024 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

There isn't even an explanation as to why choosing synthesis makes the Reapers stop attacking...

Maybe when everyone is merged, the Reapers aren't able to recognize them as 'advanced organics' anymore.(assumption, ofcorse).

Wouldn't common sense dictate the synthesized beings as more advanced after the synthesis?