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[OblivionDawn]

justafan wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

justafan wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

The path to hell is paved with the best intentions.

How exactly is Synthesis the "path to hell?"

It may not be, but the point is we do not know the extent of Synthesis.  We are playing with fire and can't truly know if it is clearly for the better of the galaxy when it might very well destroy what makes us who we are.

The ending does a pretty good job of showing that people still retain human emotions, even with the new part of them that was derived from synthetics. Doesn't sound that bad.

Also, the Stargazer scene proves that people are still capable of procreation and curiosity, even after a considerable amount of time has passed.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 25 mai 2012 - 07:58 .

[justafan]

darkchief10 wrote...

ooh love that one mind if quote it in my sig?

haha, Go for it, it's one of my favorite proverbs and quite fitting for synthesis 

[OblivionDawn]

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

[Grimwick]

It doesn't make sense/is abhorrent on:
-Logical grounds
-Narrative grounds
-Ethical grounds

[legion999]

Because it would **** up everything, it's non-sensical, impossible, contradicts major plot lines from before and is the solution to a problem we didn't even know existed.

And it takes away everybodies freedom to choose what they wish to do to their body.

[justafan]

OblivionDawn wrote...

justafan wrote...

It may not be, but the point is we do not know the extent of Synthesis.  We are playing with fire and can't truly know if it is clearly for the better of the galaxy when it might very well destroy what makes us who we are.

The ending does a pretty good job of showing that people still retain human emotions, even with the new part of them that was derived from synthetics. Doesn't sound that bad.

Also, the Stargazer scene proves that people are still capable of procreation and curiosity, even after a considerable amount of time has passed.

I won't go into my dislike of the endings, but it is suffice to say that I don't believe we are told nearly enough to make an informed decision on synthesis nor does the epilogue provide enough evidence to say synthesis has only positive benefits and does not violate every species' individuality.

You may find the evidence satisfactory, and that's fine and all just comes down to personal taste.  I just think there is no way to know synthesis doesn't do all the bad things people have said, at least not until the EC.

Modifié par justafan, 25 mai 2012 - 08:25 .

[legion999]

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

Then what does happen?

[OblivionDawn]

legion999 wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

Then what does happen?

Umm...

OblivionDawn wrote...

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 25 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

So they get turned into cyborgs then

thats not any better.

[goofyomnivore]

Poorly explained and presented are my only problems with it. I think it could be a really interesting/good ending if it was given more thought and explanation.

[essarr71]

Grimwick wrote...

It doesn't make sense/is abhorrent on:
-Logical grounds
-Narrative grounds
-Ethical grounds

This.  It fails at everything.

What's more impressive/sad is how many people simply don't see why it's the worst of the 3.

[alec1898]

Violation of genes without consent = not good

not good = suicide

[Vox Draco]

OblivionDawn wrote...
They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.
The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

And why is this a good thing? Oh...I forgot, speculations as well as wishful thinking and all this...whatever, the catalyst thought wiping out the galaxy was a good thing, and he things synthesis is also a good thing...so I don't think it is a good thing. Quite easy!

[EsterCloat]

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

What was wrong with the old "framework"?

Shepard: Why can't organics and synthetics just live peacefully?
Starchild: Irreconcilable differences.

**** you, irreconcilable differences. I felt sorrow and pain from watching Legion die and the whole civilization of the geth are around Earth fighting for the lives of all species, which all save for one are organic.

The only thing with irreconcilable differences in this galaxy are Reapers and everyone else. Reapers drive other beings insane just by being around them. Reapers have to stamp down on galactic infrastructure to keep everyone from attempting to murder them on sight. Reapers murder everything in sight unless it's pathetic enough to not realize they're even there in the first place.

[darkchief10]

sorry, i still think playing god is pretty dispicable

[kyles3]

I don't like forcing things on people; makes me feel dirty. Destroy would make me feel even dirtier, though, what with the genocide and all. So I roll Control, which seems to turn poor Shep into a Barrier Maiden, and still feel dirty.

Extended Cut certainly has its work cut out for it, doesn't it?

[EricHVela]

I think BWE wanted to imply that Synthesis would create "something wonderful" yet unexplainable (akin to 2001) in terms that organics and synthetics could understand.

Because BWE gave so little info as to what actually happens in Synthesis, we don't know if it's a gift or a curse to life in the Galaxy.

Given how life is not given a choice in the matter (not completely unlike the Reapers demanding the extinction of all advanced life), I think people err to the side of personal choice and responsibility rather than letting one person decide to convert everyone into a new form of "life".

[Omanisat]

EsterCloat wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

What was wrong with the old "framework"?

Shepard: Why can't organics and synthetics just live peacefully?
Starchild: Irreconcilable differences.

**** you, irreconcilable differences. I felt sorrow and pain from watching Legion die and the whole civilization of the geth are around Earth fighting for the lives of all species, which all save for one are organic.

The only thing with irreconcilable differences in this galaxy are Reapers and everyone else. Reapers drive other beings insane just by being around them. Reapers have to stamp down on galactic infrastructure to keep everyone from attempting to murder them on sight. Reapers murder everything in sight unless it's pathetic enough to not realize they're even there in the first place.

Amen Brother. 

[OblivionDawn]

DinoSteve wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

So they get turned into cyborgs then

thats not any better.

/sigh

No. They don't. Cyborgs would imply that they became organics with synthetic parts in them, or vice versa.

Like I said, they're blended together seamlessly into a new organism. "A new framework."

[Fnork]

Why is Synthesis despised ? I'm not picky, I hate Control and Destroy too. Synthesis I hate because I just can't imagine Shepard consciously forcing that upon everyone and everything without their consent just because Robin Hoody (the reaper overlord no less) says it's awesome.

Modifié par Fnork, 25 mai 2012 - 08:13 .

[Grimwick]

OblivionDawn wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

So they get turned into cyborgs then

thats not any better.

/sigh

No. They don't. Cyborgs would imply that they became organics with synthetic parts in them, or vice versa.

Like I said, they're blended together seamlessly into a new organism. "A new framework."

What on earth is a 'new framework'? It doesn't make any sense...

[JamieCardillo]

Hiredguns23 wrote...

JamieCardillo wrote...

When completing the game for the first time (Yessir, I did play through multiple times. Sorry if that blew any minds.), I found the most interesting choice to be the synthesis option. Of course, like everyone else, I was very displeased to discover there was almost no difference between any of the endings, but the concept in itself still intruiges me.

I understand a lot of people are unhappy with the pure fantasy of somehow molding the DNA of organics with synthetics, and the only apparent change is green eyes, blahblahblah. I get that part, believe me, I am currently in the Mass Effect Forum. But what I'm not understanding is why some fans are borderline insulted by this choice. Sure, it's not very easy to comprehend, but it's my belief we aren't supposed to fully comprehend it. It's a the final evolution of life. Scientists today still have some difficulty explaining precisely how evolution works. I honestly don't have any other points to make to defend the choice because I really don't know what part of it is in need of any defending.

And just to be clear: as the title would indicate, I am just asking a question. What I have written above is meant only to be used as a basis for others to explain what I'm missing; it is not meant to be an attempt to spread any idealism or convert members of the Red or Blue Churches to the all-holy Green Church. I understand the degree to which a lot of you are pissed off at the endings, but I'm only asking that you respond with legitimate, nonbeligerent answers to my question.

Goto a writer, an English teacher, or a book enthuist tell them the entire plot of the story from ME1 all the way to the end of ME3 and the god child bit and ask "Does this plot make any since to you?"

Unfortunately, you mistook this thread for one dealing with Mass Effect's plotholes.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

OblivionDawn wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

So they get turned into cyborgs then

thats not any better.

/sigh

No. They don't. Cyborgs would imply that they became organics with synthetic parts in them, or vice versa.

Like I said, they're blended together seamlessly into a new organism. "A new framework."

as far as I know a cyborg is part machine part organic

this is basically what the catalyst said organics would be after space magic

Modifié par DinoSteve, 25 mai 2012 - 08:16 .

[JBPBRC]

Because while the Red and Blue pulses are...more....acceptable in how they work, the Green one makes absolutely no sense in the context of the universe and reeks of some kind of New Trilogy Star Wars Midichlorian Space Magic.

[OblivionDawn]

EsterCloat wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

The galaxy gets tuned into robots just like the reapers wanted. Reapers win shepard's dead. Does that sound like a good ending to you?

They don't get turned into robots. Don't let the misinformation of the forums warp your understanding of Synthesis.

The Starkid specifically says that synthetics and organics get blended together into a new framework. He didn't say that the organics get synthetic implants, or that the synthetics get organic implants. Because that isn't what happens.

What was wrong with the old "framework"?

Shepard: Why can't organics and synthetics just live peacefully?
Starchild: Irreconcilable differences.

**** you, irreconcilable differences. I felt sorrow and pain from watching Legion die and the whole civilization of the geth are around Earth fighting for the lives of all species, which all save for one are organic.

The only thing with irreconcilable differences in this galaxy are Reapers and everyone else. Reapers drive other beings insane just by being around them. Reapers have to stamp down on galactic infrastructure to keep everyone from attempting to murder them on sight. Reapers murder everything in sight unless it's pathetic enough to not realize they're even there in the first place.

What was wrong with the old framework?

Well, you kinda said it yourself.

The Reapers have a rather noticable superiority complex, and try to snuff out "lesser" organics and synthetics to that end.

As for the Geth, Shepard managed to bring them together, but you can't ignore the fact that the Morning War did happen because of irreconcilable differences (of course they turned out to be reconcilable later, but only in the face of the Reaper threat).

Based on this evidence, bringing all organics and synthetics to the same level of evolution/physiology/existence/everything else would effectively remove the barriers that caused those differences.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 25 mai 2012 - 08:16 .