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[JamieCardillo]

Zix13 wrote...

JamieCardillo wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

Oh look this thread again....but as others have said synthesis is very unethical. I feel really bad for primitive societies who now have glowing eyes and synthetic parts or religious groups that have had their bodies altered in ways that are against their religion etc.....

You make a good point.

Oh wait, now I see you're on that cyborg mindset. Sorry, I thought you understood the one basic concept of synthesis that was made obvious. Unless I didn't have a high enough EMS to see the part where the Starchild lined up each inhabitant of the galaxy and gave them each their own custom prosthetic body part.

I guess if we're doing this space magic thing, we're going all out with it. 

Cyborg is used because you're creating a part-man part-machine. What else would you call it?

The fact that a cyborg is a person with prosthetics and implants would lead me to believe it is not the correct word, since only the DNA of the organics had been changed, not their physical structure. As I said to someone else, everyone looks exactly the same coming out of the Normandy crash, save for glowing eyes. But I guess if you believe their original eyes got plucked out and replaced with robot eyes, well, that's your business.

[PsyrenY]

legion999 wrote...

What that it makes no sense? Resource wise is impossible? Contradicts previous themes? Morally wrong aside from the non-consensual alteration? Will ruin eco-systems? Which?

1) Clarke's Third Law.
2) How do you know it's impossible? Did Liara forward you Crucible design-docs when I wasn't looking?
3) What themes does it contradict?
4) How else is it "morally wrong" if you're not discussing consent?
5) "Ruin eco-systems?" What is this I don't even.

[dreamgazer]

BP20125810 wrote...

The short answer - People don't really understand it, so they fear it. I wish Bioware did a better job of explaining it to us during the end game.

Once you really look at it, its actually my favorite and one of the better choices in my opinion.

No, no, no, I get it--up and down, from the practical approach to the deeply philosophical approach.  And I get what the idyllic versions of singularities and benevolent infusions of synthetic and organic lifeforms would entail, from enhanced life expectancy and disease defense redundancy to overall improvements in strength, dexterity, and aptitude.

There's just a few problems: a) there's never a single moment in the entirety of the Mass Effect lore that suggests we'd actually be able to obtain such perfection in this particular universe; even if it were possible, you're trusting a celestial body intimately tied to the Reapers to provide such idyllic conditions; and c) well, uh ...



I'm a pretty steely-nerved individual, but I've actually seen this thing in my physical nightmares once or twice.  And that's a hybrid of synthetic and organic material as seen in the ME universe.  There's my beef with synthesis. 

[Icinix]

JamieCardillo wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

JamieCardillo wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

Oh look this thread again....but as others have said synthesis is very unethical. I feel really bad for primitive societies who now have glowing eyes and synthetic parts or religious groups that have had their bodies altered in ways that are against their religion etc.....

You make a good point.

Oh wait, now I see you're on that cyborg mindset. Sorry, I thought you understood the one basic concept of synthesis that was made obvious. Unless I didn't have a high enough EMS to see the part where the Starchild lined up each inhabitant of the galaxy and gave them each their own custom prosthetic body part.

I guess if we're doing this space magic thing, we're going all out with it. 

Cyborg is used because you're creating a part-man part-machine. What else would you call it?

The fact that a cyborg is a person with prosthetics and implants would lead me to believe it is not the correct word, since only the DNA of the organics had been changed, not their physical structure. As I said to someone else, everyone looks exactly the same coming out of the Normandy crash, save for glowing eyes. But I guess if you believe their original eyes got plucked out and replaced with robot eyes, well, that's your business.

No, he's arguing a semantics issue. What would you call them if they're not synthetic and they're not organic? Cyborg is a hybrid of synthetic and organic - unless you have another name for them, its accurate.

[Reorte]

Synthesis is really ludicrously far-fetched and implausible, even by dubious Mass Effect science standards. It's utterly unethical no matter how beneficial it might turn out to be (it almost certainly be catastrophic for any planets with life but no advanced technological intelligence if it stops evolution so it's not as if it's even massively beneficial over all). It does nothing to solve the problem that the Catalyst claims the Reapers are there to solve, if it's even a problem in the first place.

[Epic777]

It is a drastic solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[Shallyah]

It's not only unethical and wrong. It is also cowardly beyond what words can express. And the worst is that you inflict that cowardly action upon the rest of the Galaxy.

"We are afraid that Reapers will wipe us for being what we are, so let's stop being what we are and become what the Reapers demand."

Many people have fought and died to defend a barren patch of land holding the flag of a country or an ideal with their last breath. I bet they would be proud of Shepard the moment he surrendered what humanity is, what each race and individual of the universe are, to chose Synthesis.

Modifié par Shallyah, 26 mai 2012 - 12:24 .

[Zix13]

JamieCardillo wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

JamieCardillo wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

Oh look this thread again....but as others have said synthesis is very unethical. I feel really bad for primitive societies who now have glowing eyes and synthetic parts or religious groups that have had their bodies altered in ways that are against their religion etc.....

You make a good point.

Oh wait, now I see you're on that cyborg mindset. Sorry, I thought you understood the one basic concept of synthesis that was made obvious. Unless I didn't have a high enough EMS to see the part where the Starchild lined up each inhabitant of the galaxy and gave them each their own custom prosthetic body part.

I guess if we're doing this space magic thing, we're going all out with it. 

Cyborg is used because you're creating a part-man part-machine. What else would you call it?

The fact that a cyborg is a person with prosthetics and implants would lead me to believe it is not the correct word, since only the DNA of the organics had been changed, not their physical structure. As I said to someone else, everyone looks exactly the same coming out of the Normandy crash, save for glowing eyes. But I guess if you believe their original eyes got plucked out and replaced with robot eyes, well, that's your business.

a) I know very little about biology, but apparently still more than you. DNA doesn't work that way.
You don't actually know what synthesis has done. .
c) You haven't suggested a better word.
d) Their physical structure has been changed, everything now has green-glowing PCB pattern tattoes. 

[Deemz]

Because you just violated every living thing in the galaxy. You killed off every species and replaced it with one generic one. And you did not even question it.

[Icinix]

My problem is my idea of synthesis and the starknobs idea of synthesis are probably not the same.

Remember people, this is the idiot who thought violently killing races and building them into Reapers was saving organic races - and right up until the end still believes that.

[Icinix]

Shallyah wrote...

It's not only unethical and wrong.

It is also cowardly.

We are afraid that Reapers will wipe us for being what we are, so let's stop being what we are and become what the Reapers demand.

Many people have fought and died to defend a barren patch of land holding the flag of a country or an ideal with their last breath. I bet they would be proud of Shepard the moment he surrendered what humanity is, what each race and individual of the universe are, to chose Synthesis.

Exactly. How many times have characters / races in ME3 comment about how much they hate and loathe the Reapers. Many have said they would rather shoot themselves or die before becoming one with them.

Synthesis is like telling all those families who lost loved ones you're going to merge them with the people who killed their loved ones - only you're not telling them either - you're just doing it.

[PsyrenY]

dreamgazer wrote...




I'm a pretty steely-nerved individual, but I've actually seen this thing in my physical nightmares once or twice.  And that's a hybrid of synthetic and organic material as seen in the ME universe.  There's my beef with synthesis. 

So is this:

http://www.overclock...ht/300/flags/LM

So I have to say I don't understand your point, especially given your avatar.

[JamieCardillo]

dreamgazer wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

The short answer - People don't really understand it, so they fear it. I wish Bioware did a better job of explaining it to us during the end game.

Once you really look at it, its actually my favorite and one of the better choices in my opinion.

c) well, uh ...



I'm a pretty steely-nerved individual, but I've actually seen this thing in my physical nightmares once or twice.  And that's a hybrid of synthetic and organic material as seen in the ME universe.  There's my beef with synthesis. 

Huh, I guess I just never noticed the tubes all over Liara's body as she stepped out of the Normandy...

[Ji99saw]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

[legion999]

Optimystic_X wrote...

legion999 wrote...

What that it makes no sense? Resource wise is impossible? Contradicts previous themes? Morally wrong aside from the non-consensual alteration? Will ruin eco-systems? Which?

1) Clarke's Third Law.
2) How do you know it's impossible? Did Liara forward you Crucible design-docs when I wasn't looking?
3) What themes does it contradict?
4) How else is it "morally wrong" if you're not discussing consent?
5) "Ruin eco-systems?" What is this I don't even.

1. Doesn't apply to ME.
2. You're changing life in billions of star systems. Do I really need to explain how that is impossible?
3. Did you play Tuchanka? Listen to Mordin and Eve? About how the Krogan weren't ready for advanced technology. Now that's happened to thousands of primitive races.
4. You're conforming to the ideals of the worst war criminal the galaxy, maybe even the universe, has ever seen.
5. You're splicing synthetics into organics. How would that not cause severe to catastrophic damage to ecosystems? And if synthesis increases intelligence and life-spans, overpopulation.

[Zix13]

JamieCardillo wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

The short answer - People don't really understand it, so they fear it. I wish Bioware did a better job of explaining it to us during the end game.

Once you really look at it, its actually my favorite and one of the better choices in my opinion.

c) well, uh ...



I'm a pretty steely-nerved individual, but I've actually seen this thing in my physical nightmares once or twice.  And that's a hybrid of synthetic and organic material as seen in the ME universe.  There's my beef with synthesis. 

Huh, I guess I just never noticed the tubes all over Liara's body as she stepped out of the Normandy...

Give it a few days. 

[Icinix]

Ji99saw wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

I think I'm going to be sick.

[legion999]

Ji99saw wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

What is this I don't even.

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

So is this:

http://www.overclock...ht/300/flags/LM

So I have to say I don't understand your point, especially given your avatar.

That's also fanart.

[poundoffleshaa]

Ji99saw wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

Who says synthesis will be better for the galaxy, well the catalyst (head of reapers) his defenition of better might not be the same as shepards.

[PsyrenY]

legion999 wrote...

1. Doesn't apply to ME.
2. You're changing life in billions of star systems. Do I really need to explain how that is impossible?
3. Did you play Tuchanka? Listen to Mordin and Eve? About how the Krogan weren't ready for advanced technology. Now that's happened to thousands of primitive races.
4. You're conforming to the ideals of the worst war criminal the galaxy, maybe even the universe, has ever seen.
5. You're splicing synthetics into organics. How would that not cause severe to catastrophic damage to ecosystems? And if synthesis increases intelligence and life-spans, overpopulation.

1. Bullcrap, of course it does. Biotics, the Monolith, the Cipher etc. Space magic everywhere long before the Crucible 
2. As soon as you explain how the Crucible works, sure.
3. Without knowing how synthesis affects their minds/intellect, you can't make that comparison.
4. Association fallacy.
5. You're assuming everyone would breed at the same rate, need to eat the same amount (or eat at all..) You're making a lot of assumptions to water your doom-tree here.

[legion999]

o Ventus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

So is this:

http://www.overclock...ht/300/flags/LM

So I have to say I don't understand your point, especially given your avatar.

That's also fanart.

I think the point (s)he was making is that Quarians use augmentations to enhance themselves.

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...

That's also fanart.

Yeah, Based on fact.

"Along with their suits, quarians also have extensive cybernetic augmentations integrated into their bodies."

For someone with a Quarian as their avatar to not even have basic knowledge like that is pretty jarring.

[Zix13]

Ji99saw wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Some people use words like "galactic rape" and other hyperbolic phrases to say that Synthesis is basically changing organic life without giving them a choice.

But if the change is clearly for the better of the entire galaxy (based on the ending), then I don't see what the problem is.

It disturbs me greatly that some people think like this.