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[Knight Commander]

I want to see your opinions on who will support either templar or mage.

Also please don't be bias, if you want to give good reasons like "Orlais will support the templars since it is where the Divine lives" or Tevinter since they're controlled by mages.

Last thing these are just opinions not facts.

Modifié par Knight Commander, 25 mai 2012 - 09:11 .

[berelinde]

IMO, each nation or region will contain factions that support both sides. Not at the same time, obviously, although that does present some interesting RP opportunities.

[Legacy_of_Wrex]

I first thought this thread was gonna ask who'd support the Templars, and who'd support the mages, but yeah, factions of both groups in every nation.

Orlais - might have a strong Templar prescence due to the Divine, but mage rebels hidden in the country. And if Morrigan is in Orlais (Surely she didn't take her child and went to the Black City, did she?), she could be manipulating either side.

Tevinter - Strong Mage prescence, if Fenris, Feynriel and pretty much everybody is to be believed. Everyone there that isn't a mage, however, might welcome the possibility of their wizard overlords being taking down a notch or two. *shrugs* Not something that will be easy, despite the emperium being weakened.

Ferelden - Unrest between Templars and Mages, but hopefully, between Alistair or Anora or both, Irving and the others, kept somewhat grounded in the beginning, but slowly escalating as the war comes closer.

Riviani - Unsure. Knows nothing about them, except that Isabela is from there.

Free Marches - Would this depend on Hawke's choice in DA2? I've never sided with the Templars, due to my idea of getting out of Kirkwall as fast as possible, mages and templars both be damned, I'm saving my sister and my closest companions.

I'm also curious to which sides all noteworthy NPC's from Origins and DA2 will stand on, and... well, DA3 has me all fired up. I care less about mages and templars, I want to save as many familiar faces as possible, and a few new ones, depending on their characters.

[Dave of Canada]

 Assuming three factions (Apostates / Divine / Inquisition).

Orlais, being in civil war, is difficult to tell.

Inquisition would probably have Gaspard's support, considering he's anti-Ferelden and Alistair possibly supports mages, thus he'd use Alistair as a scapegoat to invade Ferelden with the Inquisition's templar forces. Backed by Chevaliers, Ferelden would surely fall.

Celene's hard to tell, she appears far more idealistic and tries to branch out with her plans, though she's still the empress of a nation which political games are common-day, thus it might all be a ruse to get the people's support. Based off we know from Celene, I'd say the Divine would be her option, as publically it would most likely appear the more "reasonable" choice and be approved by the many.

Ferelden pretty much certain that it supports mages provided Alistair is on the throne. Ferelden already appears to be making progress towards a brighter mage future, though Anora seems to favor more the status quo of things provided she keeps power. Her allegiance can probably change to the winning side quite easily, in favor to gain public favor and keep her throne.

Rivain and Tevinter obviously supports the mages.

Nevarra would probably side with mages, if only to see Orlais burn.

Free Marches is too diverse to tell, though Kirkwall would probably support whoever Hawke did.

[Face of Evil]

Judging by Asunder, Empress Celene has her hands full dealing with the other Orlesian rebellion. That is, if she's not dead already.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 26 mai 2012 - 12:48 .

[meanieweenie]

Face of Evil wrote...

Judging by Asunder, Empress Celene has her hands full dealing with the other Orlesian rebellion. That is, if she's not dead already.

Agreed. If they take anything from Asunder, all bets are off and anything goes.

[Sir JK]

Which faction that will support which group depends entirely on the internal politics of those nations. It's also entirely likely the various nations will vary their support between mages and templars in different nations.

For instance, it's fairly likely that the Tevinters will support the mages in the Anderfels, Nevarra and Antiva. Empowering them not out of the goodness of their hearts but to prepare for future expansions in those directions, alternatively influencing a more pro-mage stance in order to foster less hostile tensions along the border to allow them to focus more resources on the qunari. Similarily, chances are the Tevinter mages will support both sides in Orlais. Because the fiercer the fighting is in Orlais, the less will Orlais be able to oppose Tevinter plans.

In Orlais itself, the various sides in the civil war will be courting all three sides: mages, chantry and templars. They all need the edges the mages can provide, but none of them will want to cede some of their power to the mages. Both sides need the chantry to legitimize them, so that is extremely valuable. But whichever side that provides the best chances to secure the throne will be supported. Until which one is certain, both Celene and Gaspard will play all sides in the conflict.

Nevarra is expansionistic and will look towards the side that provides the most benefit from that. It will likely support the side that that weakens Orlais the most in Orlais but inside it's own borders it will focus on combating the side that risk destabilizing Nevarra the most. So they might very well support Orlesian mages but oppose them at home. The Nevarrans might also support the templars at home and in the Free Marches partially to limit Tevinter influence and in order to secure control over Kirkwall.

I think Anderfels are going to stay fairly loyal. Unlike the other nations, they seem to have a lot less dissatisfaction among the mages (seeing that the inetrnational head of the Loyalists was the Hossberg First Enchanter... which is a position that is elected), likely a result of the Grey Wardens providing a steady alternative for all mages dissatisfied with circle life and Anderfels being the only nation in the world where the GWs can recruit several mages at once. They're also the nation that has the largest habitable border towards Tevinter and Hossberg will seek to resist their influence. So templars with empowered Grey Wardens I think, or if the templars seek to impose itself on the grey wardens as well: Chantry.

In Antiva it will depend on who can afford the most Crows

Rivain and Ferelden are more tricky. The rivaini being split between it's natives, it's andrastians and it's viddarthari. They might steer towards templar/chantry since Darsmuid has been annulled (and with it most anti-Chantry mages) and the risk that qunari might just use the excuse to "put things right". Chances are that if fighting erupts in Rivain it'll lead to religious conflict that makes Orlais look peaceful.

In Ferelden it depends entirely on what the Bannorn wants. Alistair is a popular king, and since the Bannorn wants their higher-ups to meddle as little in their affairs as possible it's unlikely that an unhardened Alistair is a powerful king. Anora or a hardened Alistair has probably more power, but overall I think Ferelden's true power lie with the Guerrins (only rivalled by the Couslands). The Guerrins seems to have ties with Celene and they have been "burned" by mages, so that speaks in favour of Chantry. Getting rid of Orlesian templars will be tempting for them though, especially if the Warden was a mage, and if Orlais is speaking in favour of expansion and forcefully pacifying mages then they're probably going to protect their own mages.
Basically, Ferelden could go either way. But is probably going to focus more on staving off war with Orlais than actively involving themselves if they can.

[Augustei]

Tevinter = Nobody, A) they are at war with the Qunari and cant risk a war on two fronts having neither the resources or manpower As David Gaider himself said the Magisters don't like foreign mages seeing them as just political competition. So I doubt they will be compelled to help their fellow mages in the south at all.

Orlais) I think it will depend on who takes the throne since they are in a civil war at the moment. I think it will be up to a player choice in DA3 after we settle the civil war. With all the Templar strength in Orlais and the main mage force (as far as we know) currently being based out of a tower in Orlais's northern border I think Grand Duke Gaspard who is making a bid for the title of Emperor would support the Templars. Celene as far as we know at the moment is in Jader will a small force, I'm betting she will be forced to retreat into Ferelden and IF Ferelden is supporting the mages may do so as well.

Ferelden - This one is really up in the air, Alistair who is in most save games Ferelden's King seems like he will support the mages from what he says in DA2 however his power relies completely on the freeholders and nobles so it really depends on what they decide on. It will certainly be a good opportunity for Anora to put her apparent skills to manipulate the nobles to the test.

Rivain - Their reverence of their rivani seer mages and the fact that according to Genetivi the chantry never really took hold there would probably support the mages

Nevarra - Unknown, We do know their royalty has ties to the chantry (Cassandra in the seekers of truth) So maybe the templars.. But Neverra is a powerful nation that is hungry to expand it borders into Orlesian territory as they did with the hiles of Perrindale and all of the circles leaders are very close to their borders at the moment.. they might ally with the mages if it would benefit them but they seem to be the most unknown at the moment.

Anderfels - Probably Templars, they are very devoted andrastian's and probably take to heart just like the templars that magic exists to serve man and never rule over him. they are more devoted than Orlais apparently... But then again the Templars are not acting with the Divines authority and the divine seems to support the mages so maybe the mages.

Free Marches - Kirkwall depends on Hawke. Starkhaven (The most powerful city state) most likely Templar's. dont know about the other city states.

Antiva - Same as Andefels pretty much, Dedicated andrastians but since templars no longer have divines authority and therefore not acting in their interests maybe mages if the divine publically supports the mages.

Who wins: The Qunari who take advantage of the fact the two factions that stopped their last invasion are to busy fighting each other. Qunari irradiate the chantry from existence and probably do the same with the mages since they are bas sarebaas and since they have not been on their leash this whole time will most likely view them as already corrupted as Arveraad did with hawke / anders in DA2. Only thing that can make this scenario not occur is DA3 protagonist =D

[Windninja47]

Well if you let Anders live (and I don't know why you would) Sebastian promises to go back to starkhaven and raise an army, and I imagine he'd use that to help the templars as anders did his thing for the mages.

[Sabriana]

I don't think there will be united front one way or the other, because sympathizers and detractors will be plentiful in any one nation. However, I think Ferelden will lean toward the mage's side, providing Alistair is king, and Irving and Gregoir are still the heads of mages/templars, and if the Warden is/was a mage the probability will most likely increase.

Rivain is quite proud and in awe of their wise men and women, so I think they will lean toward the mages.

Orlais has a lot of problems atm. They are also a people that believe in power and intrigue that supplies that power. So I would guess it depends on how useful the factions in question find an alliance with either mages or templars.

The same goes for Tevinter. They are a bit preoccupied with the Qunari, but on the whole they would support the mages as long as it is for their own interests. They don't seem to have any problems enslaving mages they can overpower to be used to further their own interest.

Kirkwall has a lot of problems with itself as well. Seeing as how the veil is so thin, they are potentially screwed, one way or the other.

Anderfels should be fine with the mages, seeing how it is the HQ of the Wardens. They seemingly have nothing against mages.

Antiva would likely not care much. Their society is more or less 'kill or be killed'. Whatever is to the Crows and their cronies/puppets advantage, they would be none to choosy. Unless the mages challenge the Crows. Then it would be a free-for-all.

The Dalish would retreat and watch.They have their own ways. It might even amuse them to see the humans tear themselves apart.

Orzammar would likely not care, as long as the lyrium trade was not affected. Aside from that, they have their own problem, aka Darkspawn, to worry about.

[SiIencE]

What about the Qunari? They are a force to be reckoned with and seeing how they handle their mages.

[ImperialHeir]

 This is my analysis based on my canon save:

Ferelden: They would likely divulge into civil war, as me (King Cousland) would support the mages while I'm fairly certain Anora would side with the Divine and Seekers.

Orlais: Orlais is both in a civil war, has the largest mage population, and is the base of the Chantry. Nothing is clear yet except that there will be tons of bloodshed here.

Nevarra: I assume Cassandra will convince the ruling family, her former family, to support the seekers.

Tevinter: Tevinter will sit and watch, except if the Qunari decide this is their chance to invade.

Qunari: Will likely decide this is their chance to invade. Will take out Rivain and take back Seheron, then attempt to rolfstomp Thedas.

Rivain: Will likely be taken out by Qunari.

Antiva: Will eitheir be taken out by Qunari or be sold to the person with the most Crow-hiring cash. Zevran's cell of rebel Crows will support my warden.

Dalish: Would depend on if they decided to take out their Keeper's.

Grey Wardens: Would depend on if they decided to take out their mages.

Anderfels: They will probably have large amounts of disaggrement on the subject. Will likely side with Grey Wardens if the Wardens are forced to take a side, but should be noted that they are even more devout then Orelesians.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Every discussion on BSN with the words mage and templar in the title will invariably end up being a for/against templar/mage debate.

- TrashMans 1st Law of BSN debating

[Emzamination]

I support the inquisition, we have no hope of victory otherwise.I half heartedly feel for the chantry but the divine is too old and weak to lead the nation in dealing with the threat of the mages, properly.

[HiroVoid]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Every discussion on BSN with the words mage and templar in the title will invariably end up being a for/against templar/mage debate.

- TrashMans 1st Law of BSN debating

Its one of the reasons I always thought it would have done better as a side conflict.  Every time its brought in to the main story from the old Dragon Age comics to Dragon Age II, its always handled badly.