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[essarr71]

Omanisat wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

yeah seren just wanted to force the whole galaxy into being "perfect" synthetic-organic hybrids, that's completely different to synthesis..............eh lol?

Saren wanted what Sovereign wanted. He was indoctrinated. Any motivations he may have appeared to have was a lie that the small part of his mind that was still his own told itself. If he really believed in Sovereign and the Reapers would he kill himself?

Then you have to admit that synthesis is an ultimate victory for the Reapers.

[M Hedonist]

How do you know your version of Synthesis is different than Saren's? Reaper king tells you so, right.

Modifié par Sauruz, 25 mai 2012 - 10:18 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

o Ventus wrote...


So literally every other character who's come into contact with Reaper tech can get indoctrinated (sans Shepard, we need a playable character), but just because TIM, I'm automatically wrong?

What about the Normandy crew hanging around Reaper tech? (IFF, Thanix cannon, EDI...)

[Omanisat]

legion999 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

Saren supported subservience, not synthesis.

Finally someone understands! I was losing faith in humanity. But no, not completely. :happy:

And with subservience comes synthesis. Or are you that enamored with synthesis?

They're not the same thing. A husk is not a synthesis lifeform. It's an organic being that's had much of its biological systems replaced with synthetic parts. A synthesis being is a completely new form of life, neither organic or synthetic.

[antares_sublight]

The fact that this OP is such a synthesis zealot is more of a warning sign than Saren, TBH.

spoilers: All three are "winning" endings.

[legion999]

Sauruz wrote...

How do you know your version of Synthesis is different than Saren's? Reaper king tells you so, right.

Don't worry. The being responsible for a kill count only rivalled by the Elder gods has only your best interests at heart. Now please kill yourself to save everyone.

[His Name was HYR!!]

essarr71 wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

yeah seren just wanted to force the whole galaxy into being "perfect" synthetic-organic hybrids, that's completely different to synthesis..............eh lol?

Saren wanted what Sovereign wanted. He was indoctrinated. Any motivations he may have appeared to have was a lie that the small part of his mind that was still his own told itself. If he really believed in Sovereign and the Reapers would he kill himself?

Then you have to admit that synthesis is an ultimate victory for the Reapers.

By "victory for the Reapers" you mean... protecting organics against synthetics, without needing the Reapers to do so through harvesting any longer?

Good deal.

[Omanisat]

essarr71 wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

yeah seren just wanted to force the whole galaxy into being "perfect" synthetic-organic hybrids, that's completely different to synthesis..............eh lol?

Saren wanted what Sovereign wanted. He was indoctrinated. Any motivations he may have appeared to have was a lie that the small part of his mind that was still his own told itself. If he really believed in Sovereign and the Reapers would he kill himself?

Then you have to admit that synthesis is an ultimate victory for the Reapers.

In the sense that the thing the Reapers are trying to fight is no longer an issue, yes it is a victory for the Reapers.

Don't get me wrong, I hate synthesis, it's the stupidest of the three, but Saren was not for synthesis.

[legion999]

Omanisat wrote...

legion999 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

Saren supported subservience, not synthesis.

Finally someone understands! I was losing faith in humanity. But no, not completely. :happy:

And with subservience comes synthesis. Or are you that enamored with synthesis?

They're not the same thing. A husk is not a synthesis lifeform. It's an organic being that's had much of its biological systems replaced with synthetic parts. A synthesis being is a completely new form of life, neither organic or synthetic.

Yes a husk is a synthesis life form. Metal and flesh joined together.

[essarr71]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

yeah seren just wanted to force the whole galaxy into being "perfect" synthetic-organic hybrids, that's completely different to synthesis..............eh lol?

Saren wanted what Sovereign wanted. He was indoctrinated. Any motivations he may have appeared to have was a lie that the small part of his mind that was still his own told itself. If he really believed in Sovereign and the Reapers would he kill himself?

Then you have to admit that synthesis is an ultimate victory for the Reapers.

By "victory for the Reapers" you mean... protecting organics against synthetics, without needing the Reapers to do so through harvesting any longer?

Good deal.

Others here might be determined to debate with you, but I have no desire.  You're so clearly over your head, I'd honestly rather keep reading your posts.  Hockey game doesn't start for another 2 hours.

[Omanisat]

@ Legion999: No they're not. If a husk is synthesis then a guy with a pacemaker of fake leg is a synthesis being, after all would that not be a fusion of metal and flesh? Synthesis is much more fundemental, it changes people at the most basic level. 

Modifié par Omanisat, 25 mai 2012 - 10:30 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

Sauruz wrote...

How do you know your version of Synthesis is different than Saren's? Reaper king tells you so, right.

It's funny what people choose to believe and not to believe.

Rachni Queen from ME1 in ME3: Sour yellow note! We hear it! The thing referred to as indoctrination from ME1! All but confirmed in ME2! But no, we are not actually indoctrinated somehow.
Lawful good Paragon white knight: She said she's not indoctrinated, let's let her go.

But Catalyst? Noooooo no no no no no. Reaper king! Enemy! Do not believe a word! Only the Destroy path can be correct because it's what *I* have been working for from the beginning!

[essarr71]

Omanisat wrote...

No they're not. If a husk is synthesis then a guy with a pacemaker of fake leg is a synthesis being, after all would that not be a fusion of metal and flesh?

Technically, he is.  We're not talking about a few screws in someones hip.  It's an artificial organ - technology - working with and maintaining an organic being.

Quick edit: A fake leg wouldn't be that no.  The organic in question can survive without a leg.  He dies without the pacemaker.

Modifié par essarr71, 25 mai 2012 - 10:30 .

[antares_sublight]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
It's funny what people choose to believe and not to believe.

This coming from a synthesis defender is hilarious.

[His Name was HYR!!]

essarr71 wrote...

Others here might be determined to debate with you, but I have no desire.  You're so clearly over your head, I'd honestly rather keep reading your posts.  Hockey game doesn't start for another 2 hours.

Watch a sport where the entertainment is the game itself, not stupid fights.

[His Name was HYR!!]

antares_sublight wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
It's funny what people choose to believe and not to believe.

This coming from a synthesis defender is hilarious.

Why?

[poundoffleshaa]

Yes the head of the Reapers who is responsible for over a million genocides is clearly someone we want to believe.

[o Ventus]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...


So literally every other character who's come into contact with Reaper tech can get indoctrinated (sans Shepard, we need a playable character), but just because TIM, I'm automatically wrong?

What about the Normandy crew hanging around Reaper tech? (IFF, Thanix cannon, EDI...)

The Thanix Cannon isn't directly Reaper tech, it's based off of Sovereign's gun, but it isn't directly made from it.

EDI is some of the same deal.

Not sure what to make of the IFF. It's an IFF, so it doesn't really make sense (nor would it be practical) for it to brainwash already brainwashed organic servants. 

[essarr71]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Others here might be determined to debate with you, but I have no desire.  You're so clearly over your head, I'd honestly rather keep reading your posts.  Hockey game doesn't start for another 2 hours.

Watch a sport where the entertainment is the game itself, not stupid fights.

This coming from someone who loves to have stupid fights on the internet is hilarious.

[o Ventus]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Rachni Queen from ME1 in ME3: Sour yellow note! We hear it! The thing referred to as indoctrination from ME1! All but confirmed in ME2! But no, we are not actually indoctrinated somehow.
Lawful good Paragon white knight: She said she's not indoctrinated, let's let her go.

So indoctrination rolls over into newer generations? The rachni queen that was indoctrinated X millenia ago is somehow transmitting this to the current queen?

[Omanisat]

essarr71 wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

No they're not. If a husk is synthesis then a guy with a pacemaker of fake leg is a synthesis being, after all would that not be a fusion of metal and flesh?

Technically, he is.  We're not talking about a few screws in someones hip.  It's an artificial organ - technology - working with and maintaining an organic being.

Quick edit: A fake leg wouldn't be that no.  The organic in question can survive without a leg.  He dies without the pacemaker.

Yes, but they're still at their most basic a human. The magic green light did much more then give every organic a few replacement organs and every synthetic a heart of their very own. If it was that basic it wouldn't involve DNA. 

That's one of my problems with synthesis. It's such a profound change from what we know, Bioware did a very poor job explaining it.

[antares_sublight]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
It's funny what people choose to believe and not to believe.

This coming from a synthesis defender is hilarious.

Why?

For synthesis to make any sense it requires defenders to throw out canon lines of dialog, game scenes and developer comments and substitute pages of fanfiction.

It's one of the 3 "winning" endings, but that doesn't make it defensible. They're all stupid.

[legion999]

Omanisat wrote...

@ Legion999: No they're not. If a husk is synthesis then a guy with a pacemaker of fake leg is a synthesis being, after all would that not be a fusion of metal and flesh? Synthesis is much more fundemental, it changes people at the most basic level. 

A husk is when they replace most of the organic parts with Synthetics. To me that's synthesis. However to you it's not. That's not going to change so I think it would be best if we stopped debating/argueing about it.

In fact sometimes it's more than one organic being, fused. That's the defintion of synthesis right there. Wouldn't husks not be a case of synthesis then but Cannibals, Praetorians, Scions and Brutes be a result of synthesis?

Modifié par legion999, 25 mai 2012 - 10:37 .

[OblivionDawn]

Sauruz wrote...

How do you know your version of Synthesis is different than Saren's? Reaper king tells you so, right.

You don't seem to understand what the Starchild really is.

At the most basic level, the Starchild is simply a means to explain the 3 ending options you have available to you.

Trying to uncover ulterior motives and hidden meanings in his words is about as logical as trying to do that with a simple sign that says "this button is red, this button is green, and this button is blue."

In the end, what Starkid says is what happens. He isn't lying to you; you see it for yourself during the end of the game. Regardless of what atrocities he committed with the Reapers, he is a neutral, all-knowing godlike being, because the story demands that he should be one.

So, if the Starchild says that Synthesis blends together synthetics and organics into a new framework, then that's what happens in the end.

What Saren had in mind was a future with organics implanted with synthetic devices so they could slaves to the Reapers. Not the same by a long shot.

[essarr71]

Omanisat wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

No they're not. If a husk is synthesis then a guy with a pacemaker of fake leg is a synthesis being, after all would that not be a fusion of metal and flesh?

Technically, he is.  We're not talking about a few screws in someones hip.  It's an artificial organ - technology - working with and maintaining an organic being.

Quick edit: A fake leg wouldn't be that no.  The organic in question can survive without a leg.  He dies without the pacemaker.

Yes, but they're still at their most basic a human. The magic green light did much more then give every organic a few replacement organs and every synthetic a heart of their very own. If it was that basic it wouldn't involve DNA. 

That's one of my problems with synthesis. It's such a profound change from what we know, Bioware did a very poor job explaining it.

Ok.. Then explain to me exactly how many artificial parts you need to become a synthetic?  3?  5?  Or do you only become one when you get seemingly irrelevant green glowing ciruit boards thru your skin?