Adria Teksuni wrote...
I don't think Alistair's decision was a rational one. It wouldn't have mattered how the proposal was framed, or whether or not the ultimate motives were explained.
Having dealt with someone tramautized emotionally with the loss of a loved one, I can tell you, there's NOTHING rational when it comes to emotions. One moment she would be weeping quietly to herself, the next she flew into a murderous rage and had there been a weapon at hand, would have probably used it to kill the person she thought killed her son (driver of the car her son was in) even though it *wasn't* his fault.
So ya, I can see where Alistair is coming from with his choices. They aren't the "best" ones and arguably not even "right" ones. But then again, that what made his character human, flawed and realistic.
David Gaider wrote...
As for Alistair, if he does anything objectionable
I'd say it would be the fact that he's unwilling to return to the Grey
Warden ranks once the Denerim situation becomes apparent (should you
have recruited Loghain, I mean). Dislike him for that, if you wish, but
if the notion is that he should accept Loghain's recruitment "for the
greater good" when it's against everything he believes in then I simply
will never agree. He sees being a Grey Warden, and even killing the
Archdemon, as an honor -- you disabuse him of that idea at your peril,
especially if you are the woman he loves. I think, at that point, he
would hope that you'd have his back for once, and not he yours.
Its kinda funny when I read that, the immediate thought that came to my head was "well ya, most people don't even role play their own characters! " Much less bother to stop and truly listen to their companions, to what is said, or how they say what they want to tell you. There are some really great voice acting in this game that does convey some of the feelings or at least what I think the feelings the writer wanted to convey. Its kinda sad that the facial expressions aren't as good as they should be, but some like the crooked half smile when Allistair kisses the PC and what he says when he does, paints a picture of a boy in a candy store whom was just told to take anything he wants.
As I menitoned in another thread, depending on what the player noticed in the game and their own perception of what is happening or understanding of the situation, they would have had different point of views in regards as to what each of their companions are up to. In Alistair's case at the landmeet, I could clearly see his disgust in the suggestion of even recruiting Loghain. To me, he obviously did not want the act of becoming a Warden to be seen as a form of punishment, and should not be used as such. To accept Loghain, he believed would not only make a mockery of Justice, it would open the door for others to force those condemned to take the Wardens Joining or outright die from other more conventional means of capital punishment.
Of note here while he does not like the fact that thieves, murderers and others with shady backgrounds are already part of the Grey Wardens, he does believe that they were chosen and whatever thier past, these grey wardens were chosen because they were seen to be of worth by Duncan or the other eldar grey wardens and he respected that. What he could not stomach was having someone who should be hanged at the very least be given a "become a grey warden or die where you stand" option.
But that is *my* perception of that particular situation. Someone else with a different view point will see it differently.
As for the "do anything to win and end the blight" mantra, its easy to say it from a gamer's point of view, but harder if you put yourselves into the characters that you are playing, which isn't what role playing, you know, as in ROLE PLAYING game, is all about?
I am not saying that there is a "right" choice in anything you do in the game. I am just saying that the choice you make should be what you as the PC would make. If that means supporting Alistair, great, if it means suporting Anora and have Alistair done away with, that is by no means less "right" then the previous choice.
tmp7704 wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
The
question though, is what does Loghain want? To defend Fereldan and to
do so without the assistance of the damned Orlesians. To him, any
alliance with them is a betrayel, as they raped his mother and drove
him from his land.
Funny thing is, replace "Orlesians" with
"Loghain" and the rape of mother with murder of father-like figure and
resto of the family and you basically have Alistair and his reaction at
the Landsmeet.
For all the claims people make Loghain does
everything to save Ferelden from the darkspawn well no, he apparently
has a line that he won't cross and that's allowing Orlesians to support
him in his task. The line drawn largely out of personal and emotional
reasons.
Precisely. Its one thing to say one has to do what is logical, its quite another when emotions are thrown into the mix. Players who allow themselves get drawn in emotionally and arguably those who do would get a bigger bang out of the game, would find themselves facing really difficult choices in the game, like that at the landsmeet.
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). Then at the Landsmeet, all of a sudden (out of the blue for him), the love of his life is saying, okay, let's let Loghain join up, it'll be great! I can see why Alistair might consider that a betrayal, given his respect/love for Duncan. Everyone has their breaking point, and just because someone loves you/you love them doesn't mean they can bend THAT far backwards just because you ask them to put their feelings aside (especially with that whole shocking and seemingly sudden betrayal on your part).
