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[Aesir Rising]

Seemed like the industry was more consumer-friendly when it was:

• release
• patch
• expansion

Now, we have:

• pre-purchase
• watch the release date slip 7 months on your platform you pre-ordered for due to issues on some platform you don't care about.
• pre-purchase in-game content limited to certain retailers, removing choice of retailer based on preference/quality of service and price instead to whether or not the retailer offered enough graft.
• release
• patch
• nickel content
• dime content
• buy THIS game and get nickel content for THAT game
• buy something that has nothing to do with the game from some company that has nothing to do with the game to get this other bit of content.

I'm sure I've missed a bullet in my illustration for a cross-marketing version of Dante's Inferno, but where is the part where I get to have all the DLC?

I hope this sales model fails.

"My parents bought Dragon Age DLC, but all I got was this stupid t-shirt."

Modifié par Aesir Rising, 10 décembre 2009 - 05:50 .

[Kabada]

Well, I'm also not a proponant of the DLC system, but I don't really mind in this case, because the items you get frankly... sucks.



But I WOULD be mightily pissed, if they did this with something more substantial as a DLC combined with the merchandise purchase.

[Tripedius]

Agree. Don't mind DLC and I dó understand gamemakers have to earn ridiculous amount of money for the stock of the company to go well, but this cross marketing scheme fails. Reminds me of Marvel, where you'd have to buy 20 different comicbook series to follow one particular story. Buying T-shirts for a stupid, pointless game amulet, how low can you go.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I don't mind buying DLCs but I won't be buying any T-shirts or other merchandise. What I want is more game content, not something to wear.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

It's nothing at all like Marvel's crossovers. There is no story involved with the items that you get with T-shirts and from things like Journeys. It's just trinkets. Neat if you like them, forgettable if you don't.



Really guys, aren't there bigger things in life to get worked up over than if you have both the Widget +4 and the Gizmo +3?



:-D

[wanderon]

If you don't want a T-shirt don't buy one - for the makers sake don't buy one just to get a single little amulet designed for templars when there are already bajillions of amulets aready in the game and only 4 slots to use them in a single party.



There are people out there who WANT to spend their money on T-shirts and other game gear and if selling or lisencing that gear makes a few bucks for the folks selling it ad a few bucks for the game developers then what do you care?



It's good for the game it's good for the economy it puts people to work it's a win win win for everyone except the cheapskate pissy whiners who think that every time something is offered for sale it means someone is taking advantage of them.

[Titanmike357]

*spoilers on life*



DLC not needed, if you no want DLC you no buy DLC?



If some people ( like me ) want DLC we buy DLC.

[Aidunno]

Items generally are either overpowered or not worth even selling in game. Game has been designed to be beaten without. Only people I can see desparate enough to get all DLC's are the "must have X to prove my awesomeness crowd..."



Decent content when it comes out however could possibly be worth it.

[Arryngow]

Tripedius wrote...

Buying T-shirts for a stupid, pointless game amulet.

But isn't that sort of the point? There are certain DLCs I care about (Warden's Keep, Stone Prisoner), and others I don't give a damn if I have them or not (Lucky Stone Ring).

The amulet fits in the latter category. It's a, as you say, "stupid, pointless" item. Look at it this way: some people (I am not one of them) are fans to the point that they want things like t-shirts, mugs, wall maps, etc. For them, this is just a little way Bioware can say "hey, thanks for being such a devoted fan, have a free ingame item." The item itself is small and inconsequential, making a marginal difference at best at the early levels of the game. But I can see how it would be a nice touch for those fans.

For myself, I doubt I'll be buying any DA:O apparel anytime soon, and I definitely would not get it for the sole reason of having the DLC content.

The real problem is too many people are getting wrapped up in the Pokemon-esque "Gotta catch 'em all!!" mentality where if they somehow don't have every DLC out there, they feel incomplete like they're missing out on something vital. I'll let the amulet pass, save my money for the next DLC I really care about.

[bjdbwea]

Don't like it, don't buy it. It's only items after all. You can make your own with the toolset if you need any more. The thing we must not allow to happen is the cutting of real game content.

[badkenbad]

Nobody is making you buy anything. DLC is preferrable to me because it provides something of an a'la carte experience for game expansion. Also I would much rather have many small expansions than wait two years for a huge one. Even better would be to have both, and that's what DLC allows, funding the big expansion by making profit on smaller expansions.



If you don't like DLC, don't use it, but I don't see it going away any time soon.

[Wolfva2]

Folks, DLC ain't a pokemon. You ain't gotta catch 'em all.

[Aesir Rising]

bjdbwea wrote...

Don't like it, don't buy it. It's only items after all. You can make your own with the toolset if you need any more. The thing we must not allow to happen is the cutting of real game content.

Real game content?  What is that?  You mean something that you think is valuable?  I assume the amulet isn't of interest to you.  And that you would prefer not to have it all.  That's fine.  Post back when they make you buy a case of pepsi to get the content that interests you. Let me know how you feel.

Anyway, "Don't like it, don't buy it" should be on a t-shirt. It's a great slogan - in every sense of the word, including the sense where slogans are designed to do things like:
* encapsulate complex social ideas into bite-sized chunks of misleading marketing or propaganda suitable for consumption by the Great Unwashed Masses ("Change we can believe in.")
* represent some trite social memetic statement that in all other ways carries no real meaning ("**** Happens")

Of course I'm not buying the t-shirt.  This means I can't have the DLC.  I wonder which bit of cross-marketing will get your gall.  Maybe they'll make it so that if you buy Sims 4 you'll get a bonus DA ring.  The thing that you are worried about though will happen if this practice is allowed to continue and develop.  For some, that line was already crossed though - since whether or not a given DLC item is of use to you is an individual value-judgement.

[Rogue Roxy]

Already been discussed: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/416041

Also, read further down that link and you can have the DLC for free anyway.

~ Roxy

[Deltago Lavista]

You're looking at this all wrong:



It's thank you for supporting us by purchasing a t-shirt. Please accept this little trinket babble that does not effect game play or storyline in any way.



Its like going into a store and purchasing items, and they give you a small free chocolate or candy with your purchase. It's an effective feel-good strategy to get people loyal to your brand.



Or reverse it, would you be all up in arms if it was "Hey buy the latest expansion and get this free t-shirt" WHHAA? I wanna free t-shirt too! That's no fair that only people who buy the expansion get a free t-shirt! Cause that's how the OP read.

[Aesir Rising]

Deltago: If they included a t-shirt with the complete game, it's not really the same is it? Nice try though.

In any case, I like Roxy Ferret's response best. It shows that the DLC isn't exclusive and can be downloaded for free, without authorization, from Bioware at:

http://biostore.biow...O_VGL_1.0.dadmp


dazip version:

http://na.llnet.biow...O_VGL_1.0.dazip

Modifié par Aesir Rising, 10 décembre 2009 - 07:17 .

[SheffSteel]

You forgot the Happy Meals ™.

[Arryngow]

Aesir Rising wrote...

Of course I'm not buying the t-shirt.  This means I can't have the DLC.  I wonder which bit of cross-marketing will get your gall.  Maybe they'll make it so that if you buy Sims 4 you'll get a bonus DA ring.  The thing that you are worried about though will happen if this practice is allowed to continue and develop.  For some, that line was already crossed though - since whether or not a given DLC item is of use to you is an individual value-judgement.

Except it's been this way from the very beginning. Did you not notice the "buy a box - get the Blood Dragon Armor wearable in both DA:O AND ME2!!" that was plastered all over? So people who were only interested in ME2, and who have this inexplicable impulsive need for ALL the DLC should now be up in arms, following your line of reasoning.

And you didn't stop to think that this sort of thing would continue in other ways, and that at some point, the marketing design would be "against" you rather than for you, from your PoV?

[bjdbwea]

Aesir Rising wrote...

Real game content?  What is that?  You mean something that you think is valuable?  I assume the amulet isn't of interest to you.  And that you would prefer not to have it all.  That's fine.  Post back when they make you buy a case of pepsi to get the content that interests you. Let me know how you feel.

Real game content = quests, dialogue, companions etc. Not single items. Especially not items like amulets, where you don't even get to see a (new) model.

My take on this? I don't like DLC, I don't buy DLC. Obviously I don't care either if they bundle it with anything else. If they make an expansion, I will gladly buy the DVD. The moment they withhold real content from the game, I don't buy the game at all. This is where we hopefully all agree.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 10 décembre 2009 - 06:54 .

[Deltago Lavista]

You got a complete game though. More than complete IMO.



If you'd like, they can stop making DLC content. how does that sound?



Would you really really have an incomplete game if you didn't get this little babble or the next babble they decide to cross-market?

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Welcome to Electronic Arts, people.

[Aesir Rising]

Arryngow wrote...


Except it's been this way from the very beginning. Did you not notice the "buy a box - get the Blood Dragon Armor wearable in both DA:O AND ME2!!" that was plastered all over? So people who were only interested in ME2, and who have this inexplicable impulsive need for ALL the DLC should now be up in arms, following your line of reasoning.

And you didn't stop to think that this sort of thing would continue in other ways, and that at some point, the marketing design would be "against" you rather than for you, from your PoV?

I don't know what point you're trying to make. The DA  ME2 Blood Dragon Armor crap was given its own bullet in the top post.

" buy THIS game and get nickel content for THAT
game"

Deltago Lavista wrote...

You got a complete game though.
More than complete IMO.

If you'd like, they can stop making DLC
content. how does that sound?

Would you really really have an
incomplete game if you didn't get this little babble or the next babble
they decide to cross-market?

Yes, "complete" means it's complete.  Not "complete, except for this thing or that other thing".  Because that means "incomplete".  So if by "complete" you mean "incomplete" then I suppose we're on the same page.  But you're trying to change the meaning of a word and I don't want to get caught up on semantic terminology.

So I'll answer your other question:  Yes, absolutely would love it if they stopped making DLC.  You didn't get that from the top post, where I pointed out that I felt this model is anti-consumer (if not entirely anti-competitive)?

I would rather see expansions, or 'micro-expansions" in the form of DLC (which speaks to how the content is delivered, which I suppose I'm ok with).  But I don't want to have to pre-order or get a CE version of DA to get ME2 armor.  I don't want to buy a t-shirt to get an amulet.  I don't want to have to buy from D2D (which I didn't, but am interested in their exclusive which I will never be able to get because they paid Bioware whatever they paid Bioware and Impulse did not).

And if you absolutely don't want all the content available, that's fine. You don't need to install it or use it.  See how much better that would work?

Modifié par Aesir Rising, 10 décembre 2009 - 07:18 .

[Arryngow]

Ulrik the Slayer wrote...

Welcome to Electronic Arts, people.

Easy to blame EA, but it's not just them. Funcom had a bunch of promotional items for their Age of Conan mmo and Blizzard has done a lot of promotional items for WoW, including all the "free" pets you get if you buy Blizzcon tickets.

It's a trend in computer gaming as a whole.