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[ShepnTali]

Post 70's live action films, who played your favorite version of Batman and/or Bruce Wayne? I say Michael Keaton as Batman, and Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne. Keaton fit my notion as Batman almost exactly as I saw the character in the comics.

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[Ghost Clock]

Voted Bale on both. Mostly he's a better methodical character actor, what Batman really needs, than the other 3. A small part goes to the fact that he's had much better material to work with and I don't just mean in tone.

Keaton certainly did an admirable job with what he was given and for people who don't remember, a much better job than what people thought they were going to get out of someone looked at as a "funny man."

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Bale is an awful Batman. His voice is so lame. As for Bruce Wayne, I thought he was an okay one--better than Clooney for sure.

My vote goes to Val Kilmer being the best Bruce Wayne, and Keaton being the best Batman.

[Sajji]

Bale. By far.

[Megaton_Hope]

Eww, Clooney. I'd say roughly Bale, Kilmer, Keaton. Adam West's Batman is also fun to watch, but for different reasons. For example, the other Batmen would not have had Joker steal a surfer's mojo and try to become king of the beach.

Animated series Batman is really my favorite, though. Inclusive of Batman Beyond, even though I strongly dislike Dark Knight Returns, which was almost definitely the inspiration behind it. Frank Miller should retire.

[Clover Rider]

Kevin Conroy and Diedrich Bader are my favorites.

Conroy because he is the Dark Knight for me and Bader because he is the "crazy" hero part of Batman.

Modifié par Some Geth, 26 mai 2012 - 05:25 .

[Chromie]

Aw dissapointed. I thought this was going to be our favorite Batman from the comics and I came here ready to say...

[Hyperglide]

Keaton was the best Batman easily AINEC.

Modifié par Hyperglide, 26 mai 2012 - 06:18 .

[addiction21]

Kevin Conroy

Anything else is wrong

[Ghost Clock]

The question was pretty clear and specific, I thought.

[Rockworm503]

haha people are ignoring the fact that the OP said live action.... I'd vote Kevin Conroy too but I think I agree with the OP on this.

[Homebound]

i grew up with michael keaton as my batman. im a bit biased. bale does the billionare playboy thing better but thats also about the script as it is the actor.

[Seagloom]

addiction21 wrote...

Kevin Conroy

Anything else is wrong

This. TAS Batman was the most impactful incarnation of that character to me. I've never read more than a few issues of Batman here and there, and none of the film versions come close.

If I had to vote for a film version, I give it to Bale on both counts. That has more to do with the directing and writing of the two most recent Batman movies, however. Nolan put a great deal of emphasis on how Bruce Wayne became who he is, and what kind of person he was. Whereas previous Batman movies largely glossed over the character.

As for Bale's Batman, it again comes down to writing. Batman from the last four movies was a bit too free with the whole murder thing. Not killing his enemies is a big part of how I see Batman, and Nolan's version mirrors that. Yeah, Batman let Ra's al Ghul die in Batman Begins; but it is a far cry from the active revenge Burton's Batman took on the Joker in the 1989 movie.

[Clover Rider]

Seagloom wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Kevin Conroy

Anything else is wrong

This. TAS Batman was the most impactful incarnation of that character to me. I've never read more than a few issues of Batman here and there, and none of the film versions come close.

If I had to vote for a film version, I give it to Bale on both counts. That has more to do with the directing and writing of the two most recent Batman movies, however. Nolan put a great deal of emphasis on how Bruce Wayne became who he is, and what kind of person he was. Whereas previous Batman movies largely glossed over the character.

As for Bale's Batman, it again comes down to writing. Batman from the last four movies was a bit too free with the whole murder thing. Not killing his enemies is a big part of how I see Batman, and Nolan's version mirrors that. Yeah, Batman let Ra's al Ghul die in Batman Begins; but it is a far cry from the active revenge Burton's Batman took on the Joker in the 1989 movie.

On the Batman killing thing. Tim Burton was doing what Bob Kane and Bill Finger did, have Batman killed people whenever he felt like it.

 
 

Batman not killing people is a new view by people if anything, made real popular today by stuff like TAS.

As for my view I don't like Batman killing his foes, unless it's the only way or something(the foe is about to kill him or someone) like that. Now if he had to kill say a little girl? I like the way the cartoon did it, as in he didn't.

 

Anyway you should still try Batmn:TBATB sometime, it's not TAS but it's still good, it had a lot of the people who made TAS work on it. It even had a great episode where Kevin Conroy did the voice of Batman X who is more or less Clark Kent, it's about as close as you can get to Conroy voiceing Superman.

Modifié par Some Geth, 26 mai 2012 - 11:44 .

[android654]

I've got a special place in my heart for the Batman Returns movie and everything about it, but Bale is clearly superior at both and is by far the best when it comes to transitioning between book and film.

[Seagloom]

@Some Geth

As I suggested earlier, TAS version had the most impact on my view of Batman. I had seen the first Batman film before it, the 1966 Adam West program, and read miscellaneous comics, but none of those stuck with me the way TAS did. Batman killing just makes him a bland vigilante to me. I rather read the stories of someone like the Punisher for that kind of thing.

Modifié par Seagloom, 26 mai 2012 - 11:37 .

[wolfsite]

Kevin Conroy is easily the best.  He could actually brood properly and got some really great character driven stories in TAS.

Watch the Episode "I am the Night" from TAS to get a really good interpretation of Batman as a person rather than an icon.

[TheChris92]

Kevin Conroy is the ideal Batman to me. My favorite will always be TAS. As for movie representations, I'll say Bale. I think Bale does it great as Bruce Wayne, he truly captures the whole playboy-persona (inspiration from his previous role as Patrick Bateman perhaps). I don't care much for Burtons movies, so Bale is definitely my favorite live action portraytion of Batman.

Modifié par TheChris92, 26 mai 2012 - 11:53 .

[LuvPoison]

Me. .... Hands down:|

IM BATMAN!!! D:<

[LuvPoison]

BUT! I did like George Clooney, playing me as Bruce.(:

Not sure if I actually like anyone playing me as BATMAN, though.

[BatmanPWNS]

No to Keaton.

[Ghost Clock]

TheChris92 wrote...
I'll say Bale. I think Bale does it great as Bruce Wayne, he truly captures the whole playboy-persona (inspiration from his previous role as Patrick Bateman perhaps). I don't care much for Burtons movies, so Bale is definitely my favorite live action portraytion of Batman.

More important to me than his playboy persona, which is some great scenes, is his portrayal of the real Bruce Wayne. The one that trains under the League of Shadows, does the forensics on the shattered bullet and the one that understands what he wants to do with the Batman he created.

Again this is a matter of the material, because this Bruce Wayne doesn't exist very much outside of the Nolan movies. In the earlier movies, the only time we really see this Bruce is when he's with a love interest or Alfred, if that. The comics, last I was reading them, kind of had established this idea that Batman is the real ego of the man under the mask and I've read one where he's actually willing to drop the Bruce Wayne identity at the drop of a pin if necessary. I think this is the sort of "crazy Batman" people like to make memes out of but I don't particularly think it's all that interesting. Even in TAS, most of his Batcave scenes he's in full Batman mode but I'll concede that there's a few good Bruce Wayne episodes too.

[Clover Rider]

Seagloom wrote...

@Some Geth

As I suggested earlier, TAS version had the most impact on my view of Batman. I had seen the first Batman film before it, the 1966 Adam West program, and read miscellaneous comics, but none of those stuck with me the way TAS did. Batman killing just makes him a bland vigilante to me. I rather read the stories of someone like the Punisher for that kind of thing.

I agree with you(TAS is Batman for me) but I would still be fine if he kills only as a last resort. That's not Punisher level, hell it's not even Wonder Woman or Aquaman level.

Now what I really hate is when he has to save someone the world would be better off not having, while Batman also acts like a crazy person.

There was once a really bad story by Kevin Smith where Batman had to use the Joker as bait to find a badguy, later on a rooftop with Gordon, the cops and Joker. Joker gets attacked by the badguy, he gets hit right in the heart by the badguy's knife. Batman is mad at himself for what happened, instead of going after the badguy he goes to Joker and picks him(who is looking like a crazy dying guy with a lot of blood loss and could be dead any second) up and brings him to Gordon yelling at him to get Joker to the hospital. You know what Gordon says? He says "why" Batman then says to him "please Jim save him, it's my fault he got attacked". Gordon brings up why the Joker is a son of a **** who put his daughter in a wheelchair and all the other stuff he has done as to why they should not save him, but Batman still wants to save him! Yelling even more, like a crazy person...

And then a lot of odd homoerotc dialogue and art come out of nowhere and then I put the comic down... Where was I oh yeah! My point is that don't write Batman like a nut that has to save everyone at any second. From the art and dialoque Joker was going to die any second and all I could do was agree with Gordon on just letting him die, the world would be so much better off without him.

By the way in that story Batman does save Joker, thanks to bad writing.

This is why I like cartoons better. I don't have to deal with this crap and the cartoons know how to write superheroes better.

Modifié par Some Geth, 26 mai 2012 - 12:49 .

[Ghost Clock]

Using the Joker as bait sounds like such a fantastic idea to begin with. Also, Gordon and Batman seem to be pretty eye to eye on concerning the Joker, in the comics I've read. I'm surprised Gordon didn't start hugging the Joker and assuring him everything would be okay.

Modifié par Ghost Clock, 26 mai 2012 - 12:53 .

[Clover Rider]

Ghost Clock wrote...

Using the Joker as bait sounds like such a fantastic idea to begin with.

Yeah that too.

It's just a really bad story with everyone being out of character and stupid.

Modifié par Some Geth, 26 mai 2012 - 12:55 .