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[noxiuniversitas1]

^ seriously, Drussius, don't worry so much

People are kind and every chapter I publish has at least a couple of errors, which people like you, fluffy, hot_heart, Meggers and Icyflare have been kind enough to point out!

[fluffywalrus]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Not to change the subject (hrmm actually, I'm evidently changing it...), but I asked this in the Liara thread and thought I'd ask it here as well, too. How would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic which previously had... Hrmm.. foreplay at the most? Do you think it would completely change the character of the story?

I ask because I've had a few readers request... intimacy scenes, lol. The scene(s) is in capable hands, so I'm not worried in that regard.

I think it was brought up before, but I'll re-iterate my standing (in a not so simple fashion).

Basic, vague sexual insinuation = Totally fine in pretty much anyone's hands.
Somewhat detailed foreplay and minor sexual intercourse with vague details = Can be done fairly easily, as it wouldn't need to get into detail much, focusing more on feelings and whatnot. Atill requires an idea of how to write those scenes, though.

The above two generally can be done well, and even closed out with a 'fade to black* kind of ending.

Anything more = Must have a capable writer. Must have someone comfortable and capable of writing the material. It's like if I was reading a scientific manual, or a research paper...I would expect a certain expertise. Same here. The writing should come easily, and it should have a natural flow to it. The amount of times I've stumbled into stiffly written smut...it's kind of disheartening, like you can see the writing change entirely because the comfort level wasn't there. If you're certain it's feasible, go for it. 

As for the character of the story...I'm not sure. I don't tend to care too much about that, I just read what's available. So long as I enjoy the characters, I'm willing to take whatever ride presented to me(even if they lead me to dep, dark, cliffhangery corridors). I would make it a one-shot if you were worried about it though.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:18 .

[Drussius]

LOL. I'm trying not to worry about it. You wouldn't know it from THIS thread, but honestly I am the most laid-back guy ever. But for some reason on this issue I can't seem to let it go and be satisfied with what I've written. I keep going back looking for mistakes or areas where I can improve things. Over and over again...

[Spiritwolf1]

fluffywalrus wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Not to change the subject (hrmm actually, I'm evidently changing it...), but I asked this in the Liara thread and thought I'd ask it here as well, too. How would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic which previously had... Hrmm.. foreplay at the most? Do you think it would completely change the character of the story?

I ask because I've had a few readers request... intimacy scenes, lol. The scene(s) is in capable hands, so I'm not worried in that regard.

I think it was brought up before, but I'll re-iterate my standing (in a not so simple fashion).

Basic, vague sexual insinuation = Totally fine in pretty much anyone's hands.
Somewhat detailed foreplay and minor sexual intercourse with vague details = Can be done fairly easily, as it wouldn't need to get into detail much, focusing more on feelings and whatnot. Atill requires an idea of how to write those scenes, though.

The above two generally can be done well, and even closed out with a 'fade to black* kind of ending.

Anything more = Must have a capable writer. Must have someone comfortable and capable of writing the material. It's like if I was reading a scientific manual, or a research paper...I would expect a certain expertise. Same here. The writing should come easily, and it should have a natural flow to it. The amount of times I've stumbled into stiffly written smut...it's kind of disheartening, like you can see the writing change entirely because the comfort level wasn't there. If you're certain it's feasible, go for it. 

As for the character of the story...I'm not sure. I don't tend to care too much about that, I just read what's available. So long as I enjoy the characters, I'm willing to take whatever ride presented to me(even if they lead me to dep, dark, cliffhangery corridors). I would make it a one-shot if you were worried about it though.

I am with Fluffy on this. I don't mind "Smut" scenes as long as they are tastefully done. Although carefully played out innuendos are very good as well if you want to play with a 'smut' scene but not get into complete details,

[Obsidian Gryphon]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Not to change the subject (hrmm actually, I'm evidently changing it...), but I asked this in the Liara thread and thought I'd ask it here as well, too. How would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic which previously had... Hrmm.. foreplay at the most? Do you think it would completely change the character of the story?

I ask because I've had a few readers request... intimacy scenes, lol. The scene(s) is in capable hands, so I'm not worried in that regard.

There's a difference between a smut scene and a making love scene. ... I should think.   Smut = person become an object to satisfy immediate desires. Explicit love scenes are the hardest to write about, no? Chars' feelngs have to be explored and conveyed in a manner that the reader empathise rather than feel alienated. 

You can give it a shot? You won't know until you try it.

I wrote only what was necessary on the intimate scene in my fanfic because I wanted to use it as a step up to something else in Asari bonding rather than explore how they made love to each other. There are better writers than me on this subject.

[hot_heart]

Drussius wrote...
The best part is that when someone reads it, they will inevitably point out at least a dozen gramatical errors even after I've combed through the chapter eleven times...

Honestly, don't worry about it. At all.

It never hampers my enjoyment. I only point out those sorts of things in case someone might appreciate being made aware of them, not as an instruction to fix them. A lot of times it's just a personal suggestion, not a hard-and-fast rule. Having friends look over my writing always helped improve it and make it sharper, and I know it's still not brilliant, despite poring over and over it, constantly.

I seem to recall a quote that was, essentially, "Writing is not being afraid to write badly." Judging by your experience and general writing, I expect you are a long, long way from 'bad' anyway. You just have to put yourself out there and see what the reception is. Everyone will have their own strengths and weaknesses and advice they can offer.

Modifié par hot_heart, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:30 .

[fluffywalrus]

Drussius wrote...

LOL. I'm trying not to worry about it. You wouldn't know it from THIS thread, but honestly I am the most laid-back guy ever. But for some reason on this issue I can't seem to let it go and be satisfied with what I've written. I keep going back looking for mistakes or areas where I can improve things. Over and over again...

Haha, I can understand the apprehension. I'm generally quite comfortable showing anything I do (creatively at least) to my friends, but I was pretty darn nervous showing a few of them my fanfiction. Worried about them comparing it to past campaigns, criticizing my character progression and.or the theme of my story, and tearing me apart for actually writing fanfiction of all things. Overall insecurity over my work and stigma attached to the form.

But they mostly didn't give a crap(as in, they looked it over and thought it was done about to standard) and one actually read it, and enjoyed it. Sooo...I would say don't worry too much?

I mean, we're always there if you have any spelling or grammar errors that slip. I'd imagine that when writing such a long fic, you'll be bound to have a few. Even the best fic's I've read have them...I just point out the few errors and continue enjoying the hell out of the stories.
I think after a while, looking for improvements...scouring your work for improvements...will provide you diminishing returns. I give myself half a week of looking over a completed chapter, if I even decide to use more scrutiny on my own stuff. Normally by the end of the timeframe, I might not feel my writing's perfect, but I usually can't thin of ways to make it better. I just hope that in future chapters, I find ways, and I improve.

I mean, do what you want...revise for months if that makes you happy. I just feel that after a while, you're not changing much, and the story is staying the same aside from small cosmetic changes. As a reader, I tend to adapt to those small stylistic oddities and barely notice them. By then, the story is more than functional, and can often be improved upon by writing more, rather than stewing on sections and making tiny changes.

[fluffywalrus]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Not to change the subject (hrmm actually, I'm evidently changing it...), but I asked this in the Liara thread and thought I'd ask it here as well, too. How would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic which previously had... Hrmm.. foreplay at the most? Do you think it would completely change the character of the story?

I ask because I've had a few readers request... intimacy scenes, lol. The scene(s) is in capable hands, so I'm not worried in that regard.

I think it was brought up before, but I'll re-iterate my standing (in a not so simple fashion).

Basic, vague sexual insinuation = Totally fine in pretty much anyone's hands.
Somewhat detailed foreplay and minor sexual intercourse with vague details = Can be done fairly easily, as it wouldn't need to get into detail much, focusing more on feelings and whatnot. Atill requires an idea of how to write those scenes, though.

The above two generally can be done well, and even closed out with a 'fade to black* kind of ending.

Anything more = Must have a capable writer. Must have someone comfortable and capable of writing the material. It's like if I was reading a scientific manual, or a research paper...I would expect a certain expertise. Same here. The writing should come easily, and it should have a natural flow to it. The amount of times I've stumbled into stiffly written smut...it's kind of disheartening, like you can see the writing change entirely because the comfort level wasn't there. If you're certain it's feasible, go for it. 

As for the character of the story...I'm not sure. I don't tend to care too much about that, I just read what's available. So long as I enjoy the characters, I'm willing to take whatever ride presented to me(even if they lead me to dep, dark, cliffhangery corridors). I would make it a one-shot if you were worried about it though.

I am with Fluffy on this. I don't mind "Smut" scenes as long as they are tastefully done. Although carefully played out innuendos are very good as well if you want to play with a 'smut' scene but not get into complete details,

Haha, well, I'll admit I don't quite care if they're tastefully done...I'm pretty fine with explicit, raw stuff as much as any other smut, but it needs to have credibility to it. Smut scenes are meant to convey characters' love/lust/yearning for each other...if I don't feel anything from these scenes that's remotely linked to those concepts, it's a dramatic failure. That's the sole purpose of it, and seeing as I tend to immerse myself quite easily into stories and characters (and can often quite easily adapt on the fly to unexpected character traits and quirks), it would be a great disservice to deliver such a scene in such a way that my immersion and emotions are muted. 

And I'll admit, the majority of smut scenes don't work for me outside of maybe me thinking "Well, it was kind of sweet or cute in a way, I guess", but that's usually not the goal of the scene. The more detail provided, the higher the risk.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Cheers for the feedback!

I should probably just clarify - I wouldn't dream of handling an intimate scene (the most I ever write in my stories is.. hrrm.. foreplay). The scene is in another writer's most-capable (judging by the praise on FFN) hands

[hot_heart]

Oh, and the most important thing is just to get it out there. Otherwise, all you're really getting is conjecture. For all you know, things that are tying you up in knots aren't even noticeable to readers.

In my story, I was a little worried about being too scant with details and would try and elaborate on them later, but no one seems to have gotten lost or confused at all. I can only attribute this to how the perspective and tense has people so locked in the moment that maybe they don't notice or care.

[fluffywalrus]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Cheers for the feedback!

I should probably just clarify - I wouldn't dream of handling an intimate scene (the most I ever write in my stories is.. hrrm.. foreplay). The scene is in another writer's most-capable (judging by the praise on FFN) hands

Hrm....now I can speculate as to who this mystery author could be.....
*hopes for a certain Blackwell individual who managed to write a rather scintillating piece of fiction if I say so myself; however, there are certainly other qualified candidates*

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I'm trying to figure out the very obvious messy layout concerning the Prothean bunker at Eden Prime, as seen in Javik's memory. It's a far cry from the neat niches at Ilos where the pods were tucked away properly. But on EP? It seemed they were scattered on the floor and rhere were no niches at all.

One could argue that the attack flung the pods off where they were supposed to be. But that would imply massive damage which isn't what was shown. There would have been more pods thrown about. As it was, Javik got into his pod...how'd the hell he knew it was his? (assigned). It seemed as if he picked one at random.

This Q has some association with my fanfic.

P.S. I just found one exceptional motivation to my writer's block. Watching the B5 epic war montage put together by a fan certainly got my blood up. All those images never failed to bring me back to those moments when I actually cried at the courage and sacrifices shown by the allied races and at the end when they all showed up to help the humans to take back Earth. 

On ME, only ME 1 evoked some reaction. The last part, when Shepard appeared from the wreckage. That was the only time I actually cheered and whooped.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:27 .

[Drussius]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I'm trying to figure out the very obvious messy layout concerning the Prothean bunker at Eden Prime, as seen in Javik's memory. It's a far cry from the neat niches at Ilos where the pods were tucked away properly. But on EP? It seemed they were scattered on the floor and rhere were no niches at all.

One could argue that the attack flung the pods off where they were supposed to be. But that would imply massive damage which isn't what was shown. There would have been more pods thrown about. As it was, Javik got into his pod...how'd the hell he knew it was his? (assigned). It seemed as if he picked one at random.

This Q has some association with my fanfic.

Actually, if you have access to the flashback scenes on a save or something, watch them again. In the scene where there are pods strewn around, it definitely looks like they were knocked out of place by damage. There is a fire burning in the background and several of the pods show signs of damage.

However, if you look at the scene where he climbs into his pod, as the doors are closing you briefly see the pod moving up toward the ceiling, which suggests it would be pulled into a storage area in the roof of the bunker somewhere for protection. Which is probably why the explosions of the neutron bombardment sound muffled. I would guess, since it isn't explicitly obvious, that he could take any pod that was nearby and it would register who was stored inside, since I'm sure it would have to monitor lifesigns and the like.

Hope this info helps somehow.

[Spiritwolf1]

Drussius wrote...

LOL. I'm trying not to worry about it. You wouldn't know it from THIS thread, but honestly I am the most laid-back guy ever. But for some reason on this issue I can't seem to let it go and be satisfied with what I've written. I keep going back looking for mistakes or areas where I can improve things. Over and over again...

This is the first time I have ever done something like this. Hell I have never let anyone read anything that I have written in the past. Yes I do write in forums or mostly PBeM's but that is really writing with another person. Not so personal. Even now I just keep waiting for that review that tell me my story is crap and that I should go back to kindergarten.

However I have found that once I have put something down and I think it looks good  then I just go back to try and find the spelling and grammar. I have learned, with myself anyway, that my gut instinct is like 98% right. For writing and all sort of other things. I can have an idea of what I want (Lets say for blankets) and I can generally find it within minutes of shopping. But then like my mother in law (True story) She took three hours one day trying to pick out place mats (Yes I was going insane) and then finally decided she didn't like any of the ones we saw and went without.

Some people can write something out and bang it's done, some agonize over it for a long time... Just don't agonize over it so long that it passes you by

Modifié par Spiritwolf1, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:30 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Drussius wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I'm trying to figure out the very obvious messy layout concerning the Prothean bunker at Eden Prime, as seen in Javik's memory. It's a far cry from the neat niches at Ilos where the pods were tucked away properly. But on EP? It seemed they were scattered on the floor and rhere were no niches at all.

One could argue that the attack flung the pods off where they were supposed to be. But that would imply massive damage which isn't what was shown. There would have been more pods thrown about. As it was, Javik got into his pod...how'd the hell he knew it was his? (assigned). It seemed as if he picked one at random.

This Q has some association with my fanfic.

Actually, if you have access to the flashback scenes on a save or something, watch them again. In the scene where there are pods strewn around, it definitely looks like they were knocked out of place by damage. There is a fire burning in the background and several of the pods show signs of damage.

However, if you look at the scene where he climbs into his pod, as the doors are closing you briefly see the pod moving up toward the ceiling, which suggests it would be pulled into a storage area in the roof of the bunker somewhere for protection. Which is probably why the explosions of the neutron bombardment sound muffled. I would guess, since it isn't explicitly obvious, that he could take any pod that was nearby and it would register who was stored inside, since I'm sure it would have to monitor lifesigns and the like.

Hope this info helps somehow.

I never actually get the impression his pod was rising to the ceiling. I thought his view was that of the hatch to his pod closing. .... ok, that pretty well gel with what I have in mind. Thanks.

[Drussius]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Drussius wrote...

LOL. I'm trying not to worry about it. You wouldn't know it from THIS thread, but honestly I am the most laid-back guy ever. But for some reason on this issue I can't seem to let it go and be satisfied with what I've written. I keep going back looking for mistakes or areas where I can improve things. Over and over again...

This is the first time I have ever done something like this. Hell I have never let anyone read anything that I have written in the past. YesI do write in forums or mostly PBeM's but that is really writing with another person. Not so personal. Even now I just keep waiting for that review that tell me my story is crap and that I should go back to kindergarten.

However I have found that one I have put something down and I think it looks good  then I just go back to try and find the spelling and grammar. I have learned, with myself anyway, that my gut instinct is like 98% right. For writing and all sort of other things. I can have an idea of what I want (Lets say for blankets) and I can generally find it within minutes of shopping. But then like my mother in law (True story) She took three hours one day trying to pick out place mats (Yes I was going insane) and then finally decided she didn't like any of the ones we saw and went without.

Some people can write something out and bang it's done, some agonize over it for a long time... Just don't agonize over it so long that it passes you by

I appreciate the thoughts on the matter. Everyone seems to share the opinion that I shouldn't worry too much, which is helping some. The sad part is that I've been writing for years... LOTS of years... but this is the first time my work will be available to more than my father and a few close friends. And having read the work of some of the other authors in this thread, I see people who have a much better descriptive sense, or a better handle on conveying the emotions of a scene, etc.

I am not worried that my fanfic might not be the BEST... I know it won't, because there are definitely areas I need to work on. I think it's really just a case of debut jitters, and the (probably unreasonable) fear that if the first chapter isn't as flawless as possible, no one will read any further. I know once I get that chapter published, a lot of my nerves will vanish regardless of how it is received. Sort of like when I had to speak in front of the class in school I would feel sick leading up to that moment, but once I started talking I mellowed out completely.

[Drussius]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I never actually get the impression his pod was rising to the ceiling. I thought his view was that of the hatch to his pod closing. .... ok, that pretty well gel with what I have in mind. Thanks.

I just looked it up on Youtube to be sure I wasn't talking out of my... well, you know. And yes, you can see as the door closes that there is a surface just a few feet above the pod and that the distance is shortening. So it is definitely being stored in the ceiling somewhere.

[Spiritwolf1]

Drussius wrote...

I appreciate the thoughts on the matter. Everyone seems to share the opinion that I shouldn't worry too much, which is helping some. The sad part is that I've been writing for years... LOTS of years... but this is the first time my work will be available to more than my father and a few close friends. And having read the work of some of the other authors in this thread, I see people who have a much better descriptive sense, or a better handle on conveying the emotions of a scene, etc.

I am not worried that my fanfic might not be the BEST... I know it won't, because there are definitely areas I need to work on. I think it's really just a case of debut jitters, and the (probably unreasonable) fear that if the first chapter isn't as flawless as possible, no one will read any further. I know once I get that chapter published, a lot of my nerves will vanish regardless of how it is received. Sort of like when I had to speak in front of the class in school I would feel sick leading up to that moment, but once I started talking I mellowed out completely.

Haha, I am still nervous every chapter I put up and I hated speaking in front of the class. My little guy, he can go up in front of people and add lib for hours if he had to, I'm not really sure where he got that skill.

When you get yours posted make sure to let us know so we can tell you how foolish you were for worrying Just kidding, but yes let us know

[Spiritwolf1]

Drussius wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I never actually get the impression his pod was rising to the ceiling. I thought his view was that of the hatch to his pod closing. .... ok, that pretty well gel with what I have in mind. Thanks.

I just looked it up on Youtube to be sure I wasn't talking out of my... well, you know. And yes, you can see as the door closes that there is a surface just a few feet above the pod and that the distance is shortening. So it is definitely being stored in the ceiling somewhere.

I always figured his pod was moving, not sure where but it definately seemed it.

[Drussius]

Will do. Chapter Five should be finished today, if I can finish fussing with Chapters 1-4 first. And since I have a working title now, I plan to publish Chapter One once I'm done writing Chapter Five. Then Chapter Two once I complete Six, and so forth.

Once that happens, I just need to figure out how to get a link in my sig. Or any kind of sig at all, come to think of it.

[noxiuniversitas1]

fluffywalrus wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Cheers for the feedback!

I should probably just clarify - I wouldn't dream of handling an intimate scene (the most I ever write in my stories is.. hrrm.. foreplay). The scene is in another writer's most-capable (judging by the praise on FFN) hands

Hrm....now I can speculate as to who this mystery author could be.....
*hopes for a certain Blackwell individual who managed to write a rather scintillating piece of fiction if I say so myself; however, there are certainly other qualified candidates*

Hurrr hurrr hurrr

[Spiritwolf1]

Drussius wrote...

Will do. Chapter Five should be finished today, if I can finish fussing with Chapters 1-4 first. And since I have a working title now, I plan to publish Chapter One once I'm done writing Chapter Five. Then Chapter Two once I complete Six, and so forth.

Once that happens, I just need to figure out how to get a link in my sig. Or any kind of sig at all, come to think of it.

Profile  - forum settings

[Ursakar]

I just noticed that the latest FFN site update allows you to see how much favs and story alerts each story has. Now I see that my story has quite a lot of both if compared to other stories.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Drussius wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I never actually get the impression his pod was rising to the ceiling. I thought his view was that of the hatch to his pod closing. .... ok, that pretty well gel with what I have in mind. Thanks.

I just looked it up on Youtube to be sure I wasn't talking out of my... well, you know. And yes, you can see as the door closes that there is a surface just a few feet above the pod and that the distance is shortening. So it is definitely being stored in the ceiling somewhere.

*bangs head* I should really think of looking into YT for flashbacks. It never occurred to me. Guess I'm still the hermit. Bah!

[Drussius]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Drussius wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I never actually get the impression his pod was rising to the ceiling. I thought his view was that of the hatch to his pod closing. .... ok, that pretty well gel with what I have in mind. Thanks.

I just looked it up on Youtube to be sure I wasn't talking out of my... well, you know. And yes, you can see as the door closes that there is a surface just a few feet above the pod and that the distance is shortening. So it is definitely being stored in the ceiling somewhere.

*bangs head* I should really think of looking into YT for flashbacks. It never occurred to me. Guess I'm still the hermit. Bah!

LOL. I'm with you on that one. I answered from memory first, and only after I'd told you what I remembered did it occur to me to go to youtube and check to be sure I wasn't wrong