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#2726
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Ursakar wrote...

I just noticed that the latest FFN site update allows you to see how much favs and story alerts each story has. Now I see that my story has quite a lot of both if compared to other stories.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.:P

Hrm?
You could do that before by going to Legacy Story stats. :)

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@Fluffywalrus

No, I'm talking about the stats of the other people's stories. Now I can actually see that, for example, your story Flotsam has 8 Favs and 18 Story alerts (follows).

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You guys with the writing while I'm asleep. I had almost 3 pages to catch up on. At any rate. Onward.

hot_heart wrote...
In my story, I was a little worried about being too scant with details and would try and elaborate on them later, but no one seems to have gotten lost or confused at all. I can only attribute this to how the perspective and tense has people so locked in the moment that maybe they don't notice or care. :P


Per the question I asked yesterday re: voice and finding it, I'll admit now that when I read your fic I actually hear it in Miranda's voice. The fact that your writing can trigger that means that I'm not especially fussed about details. (If I ever was).

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I'm trying to figure out the very obvious messy layout concerning the Prothean bunker at Eden Prime, as seen in Javik's memory. It's a far cry from the neat niches at Ilos where the pods were tucked away properly. But on EP? It seemed they were scattered on the floor and rhere were no niches at all. 

*snipped*

This Q has some association with my fanfic. 

 

Could also argue that Cerberus trashed the place. They don't seem like they'd be respectful to the empty ones. Also everything's been underground for a long time (from the looks of it), possibly due to landslide or techtonic shift which would have wiggled some things loose.

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@Fluffywalrus

No, I'm talking about the stats of the other people's stories. Now I can actually see that, for example, your story Flotsam has 8 Favs and 18 Story alerts (follows).

 

Awesome! Now I can fav-follow! (I have a habit of checking the favourites list of people who follow my fics to see what else they read/what they've written. Now I can do that with all the stories I read too! Maybe. Seems like a lot of work now that I think about it a little more.) 
Edit: Never mind you just see numbers. Ah well.

Modifié par dpMeggers, 13 juillet 2012 - 03:08 .


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dpMeggers wrote...

Could also argue that Cerberus trashed the place. They don't seem like they'd be respectful to the empty ones. Also everything's been underground for a long time (from the looks of it), possibly due to landslide or techtonic shift which would have wiggled some things loose.


Er no, I was referring to the bunker during Javik's time, as seen in his memory, not Shepard's. Posted Image

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dpMeggers wrote...
Per the question I asked yesterday re: voice and finding it, I'll admit now that when I read your fic I actually hear it in Miranda's voice. The fact that your writing can trigger that means that I'm not especially fussed about details. (If I ever was).

Oh, thanks. I do believe you left a review in that regard but not that you actually hear the voice when you read. That's very encouraging, cheers! Part of my 'excuse' is that the character is very single-minded in some regards so some of the writing will put the blinkers on. Though if anyone is confused about details, I should have answers for them. :P

I can't recall if I answered that question or not. I think I pretty much got home from work yesterday, ate, watched an episode of Game of Thrones then promptly fell asleep before rejoining the thread much later and half-awake. With Miranda, I had watched a lot of related videos, was working in scenes from the game and have the ever-active Miranda thread, so that all keeps me on-track.

In general, I do probably spend the most time working on the dialogue and body language of the characters (perhaps too long and in too much detail). Those go through the most revisions in trying to encapsulate the characters; I actually have to visualise them and 'act' out some bits. If you saw me writing, you might think me mad...

Though I do find I bring out the details I tend to focus on, and that worries me. There seems to be a certain amount of either detachment or hostility in most exchanges, and I doubt I can do warmth or friendliness as well as you guys, without it feeling twee.

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Ursakar wrote...

I just noticed that the latest FFN site update allows you to see how much favs and story alerts each story has. Now I see that my story has quite a lot of both if compared to other stories.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.:P


I’m not quite sure how I like this yet, although I think it might be a net positive even for works with smaller numbers. The concern, of course, is that lower numbers might discourage readership which lack of reviews already does; the really tricky part is that it’s a self-perpetuating problem, because more ‘success markers’ invite yet more (not that they’re undeserved, they just that they have a better chance to be read), and the gap grows ever-larger, skewing expectations further even if the lower-numbered ones make some headway. Did I mention I like thinking about this kind of stuff?

@Drussius: Dunning-Kruger, and Impostor Syndrome.

@Jen: Are you planning on integrating it into the story as a co-op chapter, or just having it as a one-shot separately? In the latter case, there’s no problem at all…in the former, you just need to ensure that the setup and wind-down transition well.



Totally going to use Impostor Syndrome as a one-shot title.

Modifié par lillitheris, 13 juillet 2012 - 03:33 .


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@Fluffywalrus

No, I'm talking about the stats of the other people's stories. Now I can actually see that, for example, your story Flotsam has 8 Favs and 18 Story alerts (follows).

Ah! Right. Thought you just meant your own story -_- Been up for a while, I shouldn't read and write when sleepy, my mind gets rather...inconsistent.

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lillitheris wrote...
Totally going to use Impostor Syndrome as a one-shot title.

Interesting conditions; hadn't heard of them. Sounds like Miranda in ME2. ;)

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lillitheris wrote...
in the case of the second, I think I prefer the cadence of it without the comma. With the comma added, it feels like it overemphasizes the if aspect, if you see what I’m saying?

Oh, I know what you mean. I'm not sure if there is a grammatical rule about separate clauses like that but I just go with what feels right, as I'm sure you do. Everyone has their own approach. In this instance, I just had to reread the line, and figured the italicised 'do' already emphasied the inflection in the dialogue, while the comma gave an appropriate pause before that.


Yep…I think it would work either with the comma, or with the italics… dunno, I’ll mull it over.

The main standout would be Kasumi. Though I can't vouch for knowing the character that well, I would've thought she'd be trying to reassure Mkawa more than explaining how she got there and how lucky he is.


Kasumi — sorry, Greta — is a complex character to write ^_^ She kind of just does her own thing…in this particular instance, she doesn’t really want to help the guy.

Modifié par lillitheris, 13 juillet 2012 - 03:37 .


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lillitheris wrote...
Yep…I think it would work either with the comma, or with the italics… dunno, I’ll mull it over.

Kasumi — sorry, Greta — is a complex character to write ^_^ She kind of just does her own thing…in this particular instance, she doesn’t really want to help the guy.

Ha. Don't spend too much time mulling it over on my account. :P

And if that was your intention with Kasumi, I think the dialogue's OK.

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hot_heart wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Totally going to use Impostor Syndrome as a one-shot title.

Interesting conditions; hadn't heard of them. Sounds like Miranda in ME2. ;)


Yep, definitely Impostor Syndrome. She’s got some other psychological hurdles to cross but that’s part of it.

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She’s got some other psychological hurdles to cross but that’s part of it.

They f#@k you up, your mum and dad.

When can we expect the Miranda one-shot? :P

Modifié par hot_heart, 13 juillet 2012 - 03:53 .


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@Jen: Are you planning on integrating it into the story as a co-op chapter, or just having it as a one-shot separately? In the latter case, there’s no problem at all…in the former, you just need to ensure that the setup and wind-down transition well.

It's going to be in Ch 4 of Forever As One :)
..If I can be bothered to even open MS Word ;)

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lillitheris wrote...

I’m not quite sure how I like this yet, although I think it might be a net positive even for works with smaller numbers. The concern, of course, is that lower numbers might discourage readership which lack of reviews already does; the really tricky part is that it’s a self-perpetuating problem, because more ‘success markers’ invite yet more (not that they’re undeserved, they just that they have a better chance to be read), and the gap grows ever-larger, skewing expectations further even if the lower-numbered ones make some headway. Did I mention I like thinking about this kind of stuff?


I suppose you're correct, it's kind of a double edged sword.

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Ha. Don't spend too much time mulling it over on my account. :P


No, see, this is very helpful because it’s (somewhat) generalizable to other similar cases!

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lillitheris wrote...

Ursakar wrote...

I just noticed that the latest FFN site update allows you to see how much favs and story alerts each story has. Now I see that my story has quite a lot of both if compared to other stories.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.:P


I’m not quite sure how I like this yet, although I think it might be a net positive even for works with smaller numbers. The concern, of course, is that lower numbers might discourage readership which lack of reviews already does; the really tricky part is that it’s a self-perpetuating problem, because more ‘success markers’ invite yet more (not that they’re undeserved, they just that they have a better chance to be read), and the gap grows ever-larger, skewing expectations further even if the lower-numbered ones make some headway. Did I mention I like thinking about this kind of stuff?


Assuming, of course, that low review numbers discourages readership. I know it doesn't affect me any becuase I have such a low review:chapter ratio (I was happy when I hit 1:1 for Conversations). It might actually balance things out for people who have very low review counts but comparitivly high fav/follower counts. For a long time my Joker/Shep fic had no reviews, but something like 6 favs, 16 followers. So maybe my own perspective is skewed because of my experiences? Hard to know.

Modifié par dpMeggers, 13 juillet 2012 - 04:00 .


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High amount of reviews also doesn't always mean the story is good. There is a relatively new story in wh40k/mass effect crossover section called "Fall" that has only two chapters but has already gathered 25 reviews because the concept is ridiculously OOC. Granted, most of those reviews are flames however there is also a lot of constructive criticism.

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lillitheris wrote...

Ursakar wrote...

I just noticed that the latest FFN site update allows you to see how much favs and story alerts each story has. Now I see that my story has quite a lot of both if compared to other stories.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.:P


I’m not quite sure how I like this yet, although I think it might be a net positive even for works with smaller numbers. The concern, of course, is that lower numbers might discourage readership which lack of reviews already does; the really tricky part is that it’s a self-perpetuating problem, because more ‘success markers’ invite yet more (not that they’re undeserved, they just that they have a better chance to be read), and the gap grows ever-larger, skewing expectations further even if the lower-numbered ones make some headway. Did I mention I like thinking about this kind of stuff?


Ew, yuck!  I thought it was just the author who could see the follows/favs!  I didn't realize they were showing it to everybody!!  You're absolutely right that this is a terrible idea, since only the "famous" stories will rise to the top.  It becomes a feedback loop, where only those stories who have high fav/follow counts get read, and therefore faved/followed.  Do not want!

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TheMarshal wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Ursakar wrote...

I just noticed that the latest FFN site update allows you to see how much favs and story alerts each story has. Now I see that my story has quite a lot of both if compared to other stories.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.:P


I’m not quite sure how I like this yet, although I think it might be a net positive even for works with smaller numbers. The concern, of course, is that lower numbers might discourage readership which lack of reviews already does; the really tricky part is that it’s a self-perpetuating problem, because more ‘success markers’ invite yet more (not that they’re undeserved, they just that they have a better chance to be read), and the gap grows ever-larger, skewing expectations further even if the lower-numbered ones make some headway. Did I mention I like thinking about this kind of stuff?


Ew, yuck!  I thought it was just the author who could see the follows/favs!  I didn't realize they were showing it to everybody!!  You're absolutely right that this is a terrible idea, since only the "famous" stories will rise to the top.  It becomes a feedback loop, where only those stories who have high fav/follow counts get read, and therefore faved/followed.  Do not want!


You can actually only see it if you've opened a chapter of the story itself. So if someone only reads because of followers/favs, they will have to have at least glanced at the first chapter. If people actually read like that it's going to artificially inflate chapter 1 views. 

Does anyone actually only read stuff because it has high review counts? Am I the only one who finds that really bloody weird?

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dpMeggers wrote...

You can actually only see it if you've opened a chapter of the story itself. So if someone only reads because of followers/favs, they will have to have at least glanced at the first chapter. If people actually read like that it's going to artificially inflate chapter 1 views. 

Does anyone actually only read stuff because it has high review counts? Am I the only one who finds that really bloody weird?


No, you're not alone there. I will read at least the first chapter of just about anything, to see if it grabs my attention enough to continue reading. However, I did have a friend years back when I spent a lot of time reading Ranma fanfics, who used to go straight to the reviews, and if there were not many or they weren't generally positive, he wouldn't even give the story a chance. Posted Image

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dpMeggers wrote...

You can actually only see it if you've opened a chapter of the story itself. So if someone only reads because of followers/favs, they will have to have at least glanced at the first chapter. If people actually read like that it's going to artificially inflate chapter 1 views. 

Does anyone actually only read stuff because it has high review counts? Am I the only one who finds that really bloody weird?


You sure?  'Cause just doing a normal search (Games -> M -> Mass Effect) I can see the Fave/Follow counts
in the entry for every single story that comes up, right next to the Review count.

I don't choose what I read based on review count.  I've seen some pretty terrible premises that have WAY more reviews than stories that I would consider good.   I base my selection on Title and Summary.  If I can make it through the first chapter without rolling my eyes (gawd I'm such a snob...) then I'll give it a thorough readthrough.

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Bah! Was hoping my copy of Redemption was going to arrive today, but I'll have to wait until at least Monday now. My fic is pretty much on hold until I get the gist of what happened between Liara, Feron, TIM, SB, etc.

Meh. :(

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dpMeggers wrote...

Does anyone actually only read stuff because it has high review counts? Am I the only one who finds that really bloody weird?


Curiosity will make me look in (I noticed the ones with high counts tend to be romance. Posted Image ). The 1st chapter and then I'll jump around a bit but sometimes, I just don't find it up my alley. I'd mostly check in on others too.

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So, now that I've settled on a concept for my BB fic, I have a new problem: I don't actually know Ashley's voice that well. Does anybody have a recommendation for fics told from Ash's POV? Preferably something that doesn't revolve around romance, but I'll take anything!

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TheMarshal wrote...

So, now that I've settled on a concept for my BB fic, I have a new problem: I don't actually know Ashley's voice that well. Does anybody have a recommendation for fics told from Ash's POV? Preferably something that doesn't revolve around romance, but I'll take anything!


None that I can think of. Sorry. Oh no wait. There is one, sort of. It's a series of e-mails between Joker and Ash after the Horizon encounter in ME2. It's short though. Letter Game Revisited

I'm also happy to announce that I (finally) finished re-writes on the first 12 chapters of Conversations, and Chapter 13 is finished and posted! *Happy dance*