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[Tairis Deamhan]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

The reason why SIs are evil is because they are comprised of ego. Pure and simple. And a healthy dose of ****** as well, but that goes without saying.

And really, what makes the author of an SI so inherently interesting that would make me want to read about them instead of the characters of the franchise they're inserting themselves into? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

It's harsh, but true. These poor souls need to understand that.

I think that falls under the 'sweeping generalization' title.

As I mentioned above there are intriguing elements to a SI as a fish out of water and 'what if' story. But it also does beg the question when does it stop being a self insert and become just an original character?

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Mad Hamlet! ...you mentioned Carrot! D: Yes, I was from 'that time' too, so, I know what you're talking about. *cries* Make it stop, Mommy! Make it stop!

[Drussius]

I guess I've been fortunate to avoid the SI fics in the past. And I read a lot of fanfics back in the day. But I still think it's a bit harsh to say it should never, ever be done. As others have said, I can envision some elements of it that could be intriguing, as long as you avoid the cliche where the SI is the greatest thing ever to grace the universe in question. I mean, I can shoot a gun and shoot it accurately, so I wouldn't be a total waste of space on a planet helping resist Reaper troops once someone gave me a quick crash course on the particulars of their weapons. Heck, with a VI to assist targeting, I might even be a great shot. But I wouldn't go giving myself biotics or making myself able to hack future technology if I ever went that route (which I, personally, would not... I'm not protagonist material. I'm more of that douche of a side-character that everyone dislikes ).

Come to think of it, If I was given an omni-tool, I'd be the guy spending every moment where I didn't have to shoot at Reapers touching the holographic buttons and marveling over how they feel like they're actually there. Hence it would be a very boring story in my case.

But still, as others have said, if the story focused on the foreign nature of the experience and the loss of everything you had at home, there could be some good elements to it. Just as long as the key mistakes were avoided.

[Spiritwolf1]

Im not saying it's wrong or right, I'm just saying to each there own. If someone wants to write one (I never would) then so be it, you simply do not have to read it. But it would be nice if they could come to a support group for support and not see what they are doing being trashed,

[Tairis Deamhan]

Come to think of it, If I was given an omni-tool, I'd be the guy spending every moment where I didn't have to shoot at Reapers touching the holographic buttons and marveling over how they feel like they're actually there. Hence it would be a very boring story in my case.

But still, as others have said, if the story focused on the foreign nature of the experience and the loss of everything you had at home, there could be some good elements to it. Just as long as the key mistakes were avoided.

Would lead to some hilarious dialogue tho. 'Dammit! Stop playing with your omni-tool or you're going to go blind!'

[Drussius]

Tairis Deamhan wrote...

Come to think of it, If I was given an omni-tool, I'd be the guy spending every moment where I didn't have to shoot at Reapers touching the holographic buttons and marveling over how they feel like they're actually there. Hence it would be a very boring story in my case.

But still, as others have said, if the story focused on the foreign nature of the experience and the loss of everything you had at home, there could be some good elements to it. Just as long as the key mistakes were avoided.

Would lead to some hilarious dialogue tho. 'Dammit! Stop playing with your omni-tool or you're going to go blind!'

 "But it makes no sense! They're not there. But it feels like they are! "

[Obsidian Gryphon]

So, came in to read what's the Leviathan DLC and how it would affect my story. Reviews are diverse and conflicting, as usual. But I guess the DLCs are perhaps a prelude to what's coming if BW is interested in continuing something in the ME universe. And...I'm not interested after reading those topics.

As far as I'm concern, ME 3 is a massive fail to a plausible epic and will continue to be irregardless of whatever else they're going to throw in the DLCs. Hence. I'm ignoring the s***tty junk  and will just continue with what I'm writing.

Frankly, I'm finding myself developing less interest in BW's doings. *shrug*

[Ajwol Semreth]

I've only seen the DLC via Youtube, as I don't have access to my 360 at the moment, but I enjoyed what I saw. I thought the Leviathan were interesting, but obviously blinded by their own arrogance. Was interesting to see where the Reapers got it from.

Cool if you don't want to go into specifics or an abundance of detail, Obsidian Gryphon, but what will you be using instead of the Reaper Invasion as it's presented in ME3? A similar idea but more to your liking, or something completely different?

[Spiritwolf1]

Im PLaying the DLC now, it's fun, I don't know if I like some of the NPs's I mean the way they look. Both Ann and her father look like a run in with bad playdough with too many teeth. Other then that I like it.

Modifié par Spiritwolf1, 29 août 2012 - 07:22 .

[lillitheris]

I think that in ME, we can definitely say that people shouldn’t do an SI—because you can probably do what you want within the context of the Shepard character.

In a universe where all the main cast is well-defined, I could see the point, but in ME it becomes just about the self rather than the story (which should be doable w/ Shepard).

That said, if someone does want to write a SI despite that…by all means.

[Mad-Hamlet]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Mad Hamlet! ...you mentioned Carrot! D: Yes, I was from 'that time' too, so, I know what you're talking about. *cries* Make it stop, Mommy! Make it stop!

Oh my God.

Truly? Someone else knows of Carrot? 

So let's see just how far back I can send your brain corkwheeling into pure and utter despondancy.

Do you remember  'Artemis' Lover'?
For those not in the 'know' the fic in question (I refuse to type the name again) can only be found in its HEAVILY CENSORED MST form. The original was purged from the net back in...2001 I think.
It too...was an SI.

Burn in Hell, Oscar, burn in the purgatorial pits of hot ash-enema hell you twisted, depraved...ARRGGHH!! JUST DIE!

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Yes, Mad-Hamlet... I remember. The scars, as deep as they are, have healed. However, I will never, ever type out the name of that abomination if I can't help it. There are a few others that I wish I never knew of, too, but that will forever be the 'Manos: The Hands of Fate' of fanfiction.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 29 août 2012 - 11:06 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Ajwol Semreth wrote...

I've only seen the DLC via Youtube, as I don't have access to my 360 at the moment, but I enjoyed what I saw. I thought the Leviathan were interesting, but obviously blinded by their own arrogance. Was interesting to see where the Reapers got it from.

Cool if you don't want to go into specifics or an abundance of detail, Obsidian Gryphon, but what will you be using instead of the Reaper Invasion as it's presented in ME3? A similar idea but more to your liking, or something completely different?

Oh, I'm not saying I'm ignoring the Reaper invasion. It's just that my story has nothing to do with the Reapers anymore. It's set in the aftermath, no Reapers. Just more seeds and weeds sown by the Reapers and TIM that had to be dealt with, along with some lousy hangovers from the ancient past -> Protheans. I'm intending to ignore the potential threat represented by the Leviathans. They don't and will not exist in my story. Nor any further content / lore that BW sees fit to throw in the follow up DLCs.

Hence, I guess my story can be classed as an AU. Sort of. *shrug*

[Ajwol Semreth]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...
Hence, I guess my story can be classed as an AU. Sort of. *shrug*

Sounds good to me

[Tairis Deamhan]

Okay, I almost want to write a self-insert now just to try and redeem the genre from the hatred of it on here lol

As for Leviathan. Ug, plot holes ahoy. I dont think anyone will blame you for ignoring their existence.

Modifié par Tairis Deamhan, 30 août 2012 - 01:51 .

[ladyvader]

lillitheris wrote...

I think that in ME, we can definitely say that people shouldn’t do an SI—because you can probably do what you want within the context of the Shepard character.

In a universe where all the main cast is well-defined, I could see the point, but in ME it becomes just about the self rather than the story (which should be doable w/ Shepard).

That said, if someone does want to write a SI despite that…by all means.

I attented a fan based convention last year.  Jen Hale and Mark Meer were at this Con along with Troy Baker and Ali Hillis canceled the Monday before the Con.  They had a panel about writing fan fiction and not to suck at it.  One of the thing the person running the panel was don't AU, don't SI, and don't OOC established characters. 

And if you must AU or SI, make sure it's funny.  I don't see a reason to every self insert or actually call it that.  Create a OC, don't use your name, and use that instead of saying your story is SI.

Just my 2 cents.

[Tairis Deamhan]

ladyvader wrote...

And if you must AU or SI, make sure it's funny.  I don't see a reason to every self insert or actually call it that.  Create a OC, don't use your name, and use that instead of saying your story is SI.

Just my 2 cents.

Personally I tend to classify some of those 'OC's as SIs anyways when its glaringly obvious.

[fainmaca]

Thing is, as many have said before, Shepard can be already classed as a Self-Insert due to the way (at least in ME1 and 2) the player was able to model the Commander in the way they wanted.

In the context of my fic, Shepard is kind of a Self-Insert for me in that, as far as I am concerned, Shepard is a reflection of me. However, due to the way I have written my story, shepard can also be classified as a reader-insert. he's left open enough to imprint most preconceptions you have about ManShep onto him.

And also RE: Leviathan. Really glad I didn't waste my money on it. This was a chance to convince me to accept Bioware's canon, but it missed the mark. My fic is now my canon. As far as I'm concerned, Bioware dropped the franchise after Arrival.

[Spiritwolf1]

I've read a few AU's that I really enjoyed.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

AU must be funny? I'm afraid I've not a fragment of funny bone in my skeletal frame.

[FahRENheit06]

Out of curiosity, is anyone planning on modifying or adjusting their fics to accommodate Leviathan? I went through a serious overhaul on my Shepley fic for the Extended Cut, so I was really dreading Leviathan forcing me to be all up ons with faithful canon.

- Ren

[Spiritwolf1]

I don't really need to for mine. It takes place a few years after the war. I could still have it mentioned but I probably won't.

[ladyvader]

FahRENheit06 wrote...

Out of curiosity, is anyone planning on modifying or adjusting their fics to accommodate Leviathan? I went through a serious overhaul on my Shepley fic for the Extended Cut, so I was really dreading Leviathan forcing me to be all up ons with faithful canon.

- Ren

Not really.  I didn't see anything that changes anytihng for my new post ME3 arc.  I started it in March and when BW said they were going to give us the EC, I put it on hold until the EC was released.  

For me, Leviathan doesn't change anything for my canon femShep, Leia.  Might mention some of the things Liara said, but that's about it.

[Spiritwolf1]

ladyvader wrote...

FahRENheit06 wrote...

Out of curiosity, is anyone planning on modifying or adjusting their fics to accommodate Leviathan? I went through a serious overhaul on my Shepley fic for the Extended Cut, so I was really dreading Leviathan forcing me to be all up ons with faithful canon.

- Ren

Not really.  I didn't see anything that changes anytihng for my new post ME3 arc.  I started it in March and when BW said they were going to give us the EC, I put it on hold until the EC was released.  

For me, Leviathan doesn't change anything for my canon femShep, Leia.  Might mention some of the things Liara said, but that's about it.

Like when Liara mentioned Shepard rescuing young scientist trapped in labs and what shed do if Shepard helped this one overthrow the Shadow Broker... I got a kick out of that conversation

[lillitheris]

Well, it seems that BW:s intention is to leave the leviathans as something to deal with post-ending—which is strange in that they are (supposedly) not planning a continuation of the storyline. As such, it just seems like a giant f— y— to anyone writing about post-ending events.

I think it is valid to ignore it; I’m doing something halfway, essentially treating the problem as dealt with pre-ending, but it might have some less significant implications for the future too.