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[Obsidian Gryphon]

...ooooo slave driver ....   *sneaks off to snitch another cookie*

[Lilivati]

Drussius wrote...

Happy 200th page of posts! Cake and cookies for everyone! But only one piece/two cookies. Then it's back to work on your stories. All of you! No slacking.

*dies laughing* I got up early to write and ran across this web surfing instead...  much-needed chiding apparently.

[Drussius]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Drussius wrote...

Happy 200th page of posts! Cake and cookies for everyone! But only one piece/two cookies. Then it's back to work on your stories. All of you! No slacking.

Aww... Don't cry fluffy. You can have extra cookies and cake because you're awesome. But the rest of you get no more!

[Dark Satris]

sad to see i missed most of the party  but im in a little bit of a dillema.

im currently writing chapter 8 for Silent Echoes, which introduces Ferün'Reegar (sorry if im butchering the name, im not sure where the apostrophe goes), a cousin of Kal as well as Malyssa, and the only fully quarian character of the team.

my dillema is that i was thinking of having him have a relationship with our good friend Tali, but as i always romance her when playing, i am not sure if i should  have her romance Shep, as he will make an appearance(s?) in the story, or go along with my plan and have Shep romance Ash/Liara (also, i would like to know which of the two those who help me out would prefer, ill take the one with the most votes)

help is appreciated

S.R

*grabs share of cake and cookies *

Modifié par Dark Satris, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:11 .

[Drussius]

Well, I won't be voting one way or the other because I'm one of those guys that doesn't like to try to shape anyone else's story. However, I would just like to say, if you think the relationship between Ferun and Tali would serve your story in some way, then I'd go with it, and have Shepard romance someone else.

On the other hand, I know there are some hardcore Tali fans out there who objected to the ME3 thing where Tali ended up with Garrus if she wasn't romanced by Shepard. So if you run across these purists who feel that it should be Tali/Shep or Tali alone forever, they may not like the romantic subplot.

But then, I'm a big proponent of telling the story you want to tell, and if it only appeals to 10% of readers instead of 20%, so be it. So my help, if you could call it that, would be to decide what best serves what you're doing with your story.

[Spiritwolf1]

I think a lot of people here are Liara fans followed closely by Tali fans

Those are my two favorites and I never really liked Ashley at all

Modifié par Spiritwolf1, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:25 .

[Dark Satris]

i thank you two for the quick replys, and i shall wait a bit to get some more opinions

S.R.

[EDIT]
and Drussius, i dont know if it will "serve" my story, but everytime i (make/write/etc.) Ferun, he always ends up alone. Even with my bionicles, whom the characters in my story are "based on" (they're the same people, just in ME  and not Toa ) he is alone. So i felt like giving him a chance, and seeing how it works out.

[EDIT, again]
SLIGHT SPOILER ALERT

also, i'm wondering if Graven is part krogan. Might explain his size

[EDIT #3]

also, i would appreciate getting some feedback from those that have read my fic, or are looking for a new one to read. Anyway I WANTZ REVIEWS/FEEDBACK

Modifié par Dark Satris, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:53 .

[Spiritwolf1]

Cant really read your fic cause I dont know where it is

[Dark Satris]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Cant really read your fic cause I dont know where it is

fanfic list, OC section, Silent Echoes

[EDIT]

since you asked, 'wolf

http://www.fanfictio.../4218451/S4tr1s

Modifié par Dark Satris, 03 octobre 2012 - 11:29 .

[Spiritwolf1]

you shoulf put a link in your signature makes things a lot easier

[Ursakar]

@Dark Satris.

The choice is yours, of course. But I have to agree with Drussius - Talimancer purists are out there. I paired Tali with Kal'Reegar and even though my Shepard is female I still received some unsatisfied comments.

[Sweawm]

Ursakar wrote...

@Dark Satris.

The choice is yours, of course. But I have to agree with Drussius - Talimancer purists are out there. I paired Tali with Kal'Reegar and even though my Shepard is female I still received some unsatisfied comments.

I believe that's unavoidable. I remember a thread on BSN a while back suggesting a Liara/Javik pairing and Liara fans went absloutely nuts about it, in a bad way. 
While there is a few of the understanding kind which are capable of putting away personal preferences in order to read a perfectly good written fic, some just arn't that willing to read things that they honestly don't like. 

I admitibly haver personal preferences myself. All of us do. I'm probably better than most, especially the more radical elements of particular fanbases, I do read stuff that isn't be usual pick of my day, maybe a fic like Mass Effect: Beginnings which is FemShep/Kaiden that I'm perfectly okay with reading, even though it's quite away from my usual look on things, usually Shepard/Tali stories.

I do have things that can really turn me off stories. I won't lie, and admit I didn't like ME4: Unity on Fan Fiction Net. The writing was good, everything good and all plot and character wise, but I just felt like I wanted to skip over all the FemShep/Liara moments. While I don't have any negative views on that sort of relationship myself, I have a personal distaste towards that particular pairing ever since that Fox News attack that made Mass Effect's reputation a little infamous among the Gaming community who never touched the game.
(Nothing worse than getting into a conversation with a non-player gamer and they bring it up as the number one thing they associate with the game. From there, the speaker will either try to explain that it's something you won't nessecarily see, or simply drop the topic completely and go silent.)

It's just another example. People have particualar tastes and you'll never please them all. For all those who complained about it, there's probably more than are okay with it, or actually even like it. 

[Dark Satris]

i thank you for your help, i guess, and i'll be pairing Ferun with Tali, but if the Tali purists dislike, they can bug off and read something else

[AustereLemur799]

The sad truth is that, while the BSN is great (I use that word tentatively ), coming on a social network and seeing other people's views and opinions that differ from our own canon is baffling and perhaps even hurtful in some instances.

The thing is that you have to keep an open mind on here and embrace everyone's differences. ME is a role-playing game; I can almost say for certain that no two Shepards out there are exactly the same. All our experiences with the Mass Effect story are different - so different that they can seem other-wordly. Personally I romanced Liara in ME1 and never looked back. But I've had fun learning about other people's experience - e.g. someone played as broshep and romanced Tali.

Take everything you read and hear on here with a pinch of salt. Don't let things upset your canon. Mass Effect is individual to the player - no one can take your experiences away from you. You can be aware that other possibilities exist, but when you sit down and get absorbed into your own game, only your choices exist and no one else's.

Romance, more than anything, does upset a lot of people. I remember being surprised when I first saw Tali and Garrus together in ME3, but in a thrilled kind of way since I'd never romanced either of them and they were both my really good pals - so I was happy. I can also totally understand why Talimancers would be uncomfortable. Even in their playthroughs where they'd staked claim over Tali; just knowing that the possibility of her being with someone else other than Shepard is out there and exists for other people - especially coming on the BSN and reading things in concrete writing - is upsetting.

I could happily write a dissertation on this, but I won't subject you poor people to that - don't worry . I'll just say that we should all keep in mind that what happens in our playthroughs happens for us. All the other possibilities (Tali being with Garrus, Kaidan being bi etc etc) do not exist in our playthroughs unless you choose them.

I come on here with my own headcanon and if I read things that seriously contradict my beliefs, I just don't let it bother me and I don't get involved in the discussion. I appreciate and respect that everyone's Mass Effect is different - as it should be. That's why this series is so awesome.

As for writing fics. Inevitably you can't please everyone in the world, so don't even try. Write your story - your characters, your romances - make it your own. Make it your headcanon. If it upsets other people; it's their problem. Sites like FFN and A03 have tags. Use them. People will know what they're signing themselves up for - so it's their responsibility for whether they come across subject matter they like or hate.

Your goal is to write an amazing story infused with all your imagination and passion for the Mass Effect universe. Go forth and be bold.



(sorry for long-winded rambling )

EDIT: Dark Satris, I see you've already taken the plunge in the time it took for me to waffle. Go for it!

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 04 octobre 2012 - 11:21 .

[Icyflare]

AustereLemur799 wrote...
As for writing fics. Inevitably you can't please everyone in the world, so don't even try. Write your story - your characters, your romances - make it your own. Make it your headcanon. If it upsets other people; it's their problem.

I completely agree with this, and actually think it can be generalized to personal individuality in a society. If you're doing nothing but living your own life peacefully, and someone has a problem with you, it's actually their issue. The key is to not let their problem become yours. Anyways, I wouldn't mind reading a dissertation--mostly because I'm a huge nerd--but I thought your points were easy to grasp and very logical sounding. I liked it.

There's no diversity if everyone tries to be the same, so yeah, write your own, but I would suggest paying attention to valid points by readers that could improve your story. It's one thing to ignore a troll and another to discard perfectly useable advice.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

So, getting a bit stuck. Images in my head but too lazy to get them into words. 

Trying to ramp up the engines...

Heart

I can easily put this to play, with images of Liara sitting in Shep's cabin, thinking of what they had shared. Post ME3, still onboard the Normandy.

Homecoming

And yes, the joy of Homecoming.

[Spiritwolf1]

Icyflare wrote...

There's no diversity if everyone tries to be the same, so yeah, write your own, but I would suggest paying attention to valid points by readers that could improve your story. It's one thing to ignore a troll and another to discard perfectly useable advice.

This I agree with whole heartedly, I don't give advise often cause I am not the best writer in the world, however I have done so twice now where it was really really needed and both time I got back arguements as to how and why my advice won't be heeded, not that they really have to. It is just advise after all. I know I eat up any advise I am given and try to improve, that is how I improve. Hell I got some comments here and went through and changed a whole direction of my opening chapter and I think it is better for it.

The only advise I struggle with is to some people point out small gramar and spelling issues, well I dont have a beta and I make those mistake cause I am not good with gramar and most of my mistake are those pesky words that have double meaning or something else small that I even miss in reed throughs. Wish I was better with this but I am not.

But yeah, I really do agree with that statement

[Dark Satris]

well...

thanks to all of you for your support, and Lemur i have one question for you; did you ever think of giving speeches?

but anyway, i once again thank you all for your support, and as you said Lemur, the great thing about ME is that everyone's playthoughs are different, as are everyones stories. I look forward to possible reviews from those of you who are interested in reading, and chapter eight will soon be out, i just have to get everyone on the citadel....

[His Name was HYR!!]

So I'm bringing back Steve Cortez to the Normandy, mainly for old times' sake. His character is just a bit tough for me to put my finger on as I write. His character-arc in the game was mainly about tragedy, and moving on from that. Now that he's moved on.... I just realized I really don't really know what he is.

My approach was to show sides of him we haven't seen before, by virtue of him not really functioning normally since Robert died. It's tricky though, trying to develop and add depth w/o getting out-of-character...

Anyone else have that kind of issue with the writing of certain characters?

[fluffywalrus]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So I'm bringing back Steve Cortez to the Normandy, mainly for old times' sake. His character is just a bit tough for me to put my finger on as I write. His character-arc in the game was mainly about tragedy, and moving on from that. Now that he's moved on.... I just realized I really don't really know what he is.

My approach was to show sides of him we haven't seen before, by virtue of him not really functioning normally since Robert died. It's tricky though, trying to develop and add depth w/o getting out-of-character...

Anyone else have that kind of issue with the writing of certain characters?

Steve wasn't really fleshed out in the game, he basically was his tragedy, or at least his journey through it. There's very little else known about him, so take this time to explore his character. Get adventurous, fill out his profile.

I mean, there's a lot of freedom in writing secondary characters like him, because you don't know them well. Thus, it's harder to get out of character. Just take what you DO know about him from the game and build around thet. Don't get too hung up on anything else.

[AustereLemur799]

Dark Satris wrote...
and Lemur i have one question for you; did you ever think of giving speeches?

And there goes my morning coffee, all over my monitor!

Sorry, it's just ironic. I suffer from social anxiety disorders - severe enough that I dropped out of uni (twice) and it's even bad enough that I can't work in the real world . At school I was in the combined cadet force for three and a half years. I scored high marks in my practical exams and I just loved every aspect of it. But I then dropped out because the final exam to pass was MOI (Method of Instruction) - teaching a classroom full of younger cadets. Needless to say I made a beeline for the door and never came back. It's something I always regretted, but I'm just not cut out for public speaking. Getting out the front door is challenging enough.

Anyways, that's irrelevant. I'm happy if I can somehow inspire people on here.  I'm dyslexic too which means you won't find me advising people on their grammar and spelling. Heck, I just invented my own grammar rules in my writing. I love semi-colons, but probably don't put them where they should go. I also probably have commas in the wrong place. Oh well.

It's nice to know I have my uses, so thanks .

Also I think I'll pop in and read your story. I really need a break from my own headache fic right now. I don't usually leave reviews (because I'm shy about that sort of thing), but I'll make an effort to try - if that would help you.

[AustereLemur799]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Anyone else have that kind of issue with the writing of certain characters?

This is an interesting topic. It's funny because you think you'll have an easy time writing your favourite characters, yet you don't take into account the added pressure to get things right - precisely because they are your favourite characters and you feel a responsibility to get them right, or just look like a fool.

I actually surprised myself with writing certain characters that aren't my favourites, and so I haven't paid them much attention before. Ironically the people I cared less about have been easier to write. I've also found developing these characters (as much for myself as for anyone reading) has been strangely gratifying.

Personally I was never a big fan of Kaidan. Yet I've proven myself an idiot and too quick to judge. Writing him is interesting. Going back to the games now, I actually take the time to listen to him rather than write him off as boring. Similarly with Anderson. I like Anderson but never obsessed over him like I do other characters. I wasn't sure where my expansion of him was going, especially after reading Drew's novels. I didn't want to risk messing up the character too much. But it's been quite fun and I don't think it's backfired (yet).

And now, ironically, I'm stuck writing Tali - a character that I like more than Kaidan and Anderson. She should've been easy to write. Wrong. It's hard - really hard. I also think I've made a mess of things because I think I've written her as a bit of a split-personality case. Writing her ME1 arc before she meets Shepard is hard. I don't think she's really that childish, but a bit obnoxious maybe. Now I've just turned her into a real Council-hater.  Don't ask me how I got there...

I did take note of when someone said that I made Ashley come across as too strong (as in being a jerk to everyone) and even dislikable in one chapter. That really wasn't my intention at all. At least I managed to rectify that in the next chapter, so at least there wasn't a point of no return as far as her character (my bad writing) was concerned. Tali is really proving a headache for me at the moment though.

I think perhaps it's natural to pay a lot of attention to your favourite characters. I can't speak for everyone here, but I know I've thought really long and hard about backstories for certain characters over others. Kaidan, for example; I couldn't have really cared less about. But Liara - I have her whole life mapped out in my mind. That's probably a bit weird.

There is also the question of balance. Obviously I have an unhealthy obsession with the asari, so I have to make sure that my fic doesn't come across as too asari-centric - much as I would happily prattle on for hours and hours about them, their culture and everything else. I'm novelising ME1, so my aim is to give every species equal screen-time. That's easier said than done...

At the risk of contradicting my earlier 'speech' about making things your own, I'll shut up now. I also probably completely missed the point of the question by now. I tend to do that. I'll just go over to that corner and sit quietly and observe all you guys and gals. 

[Drussius]

Okay... Just a common sense warning to my fellow writers. Do not try to write while you have a fever. Geez. I wrote about 4,000 words yesterday while I was in bed with a fever of 103... Feel fine now, but going back through what I wrote while I was sick, some of it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

For example:

The bloated bulk of the cannibal she ducked behind cover while grenade exploded before she realized they were under attack...

What??? Not even I know what the hell that was supposed to get across. Time for a massive overhaul of half the Chapter!

[hot_heart]

Drussius wrote...
The bloated bulk of the cannibal she ducked behind cover while grenade exploded before she realized they were under attack...

It makes perfect sense, nice use of the spare style of writing.

But, yeah, even if you're just not 'feeling' it, I would think about what you're writing.

Though, in honesty, I find it a good idea to just power on through so at least you've got the groundwork. But then, I've always found myself in my element when editing; getting started is always trickier for me.

[Drussius]

hot_heart wrote...

Drussius wrote...
The bloated bulk of the cannibal she ducked behind cover while grenade exploded before she realized they were under attack...

It makes perfect sense, nice use of the spare style of writing.

But, yeah, even if you're just not 'feeling' it, I would think about what you're writing.

Though, in honesty, I find it a good idea to just power on through so at least you've got the groundwork. But then, I've always found myself in my element when editing; getting started is always trickier for me.

That's the problem. I was so out of it that I don't really even have groundwork. I have gibberish!