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[Icyflare]

Well, I had imagined in the cases of asari nudity that for general work purposes, they would wear clothes as to avoid or decrease the likelihood/extent of injuries, for social status, for ritualistic events, etc.

So yeah, nudity in special cases (maybe festivals or just casually walking around their house and yards), but not everywhere/ If you were to write about something like that, I would suggest focusing more on the practicality of when to wear clothes versus not wear them to avoid coming across as a perv.

Edit: Actually, upon further reflection, I would suggest not making a big deal about it at all. Just mentioned the custom briefly and be on your narrative way. You can draw attention to it subtly via an outsider's perspective if you like.

Modifié par Icyflare, 11 octobre 2012 - 06:29 .

[Spiritwolf1]

Icyflare wrote...

Well, I had imagined in the cases of asari nudity that for general work purposes, they would wear clothes as to avoid or decrease the likelihood/extent of injuries, for social status, for ritualistic events, etc.

So yeah, nudity in special cases (maybe festivals or just casually walking around their house and yards), but not everywhere/ If you were to write about something like that, I would suggest focusing more on the practicality of when to wear clothes versus not wear them to avoid coming across as a perv.

Edit: Actually, upon further reflection, I would suggest not making a big deal about it at all. Just mentioned the custom briefly and be on your narrative way. You can draw attention to it subtly via an outsider's perspective if you like.

This I agree with, I dont think they walk around nude for nude sake. Maybe within the home it means nothing but a world full of women naked whenever they feel like it make it sound like a perverts dream

[fluffywalrus]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Icyflare wrote...

Well, I had imagined in the cases of asari nudity that for general work purposes, they would wear clothes as to avoid or decrease the likelihood/extent of injuries, for social status, for ritualistic events, etc.

So yeah, nudity in special cases (maybe festivals or just casually walking around their house and yards), but not everywhere/ If you were to write about something like that, I would suggest focusing more on the practicality of when to wear clothes versus not wear them to avoid coming across as a perv.

Edit: Actually, upon further reflection, I would suggest not making a big deal about it at all. Just mentioned the custom briefly and be on your narrative way. You can draw attention to it subtly via an outsider's perspective if you like.

This I agree with, I dont think they walk around nude for nude sake. Maybe within the home it means nothing but a world full of women naked whenever they feel like it make it sound like a perverts dream

I think in that manner, you would have to dissect exactly what purpose clothing has, what it means, and how it defines people under an entirely different context. That bioware hasn't really elaborated on Asari culture...well, it leaves a lot of questions. I would think that clothing would mean something quite different than it does for us.
I just feel that the asari seem to be a culture less focused on the material world, and more focused on the abstract, on experiences and emotions and aspects of life that aren't blatantly visible. Notice their most well known and vitriolic slur involves children born of dual-asari relationships...this has nothing to do with appearance, and everything to do with status policing (and is a form of social eugenics), which makes sense in a collectivist, tribal culture that the Asari have, and one that is built around their intelligence and their unique ability to share thoughts and emotions and memories with their minds.

Edit: On a side note, why is it that when i'm the busiest with schoolwork and studying, that my mind is 100% ready to write mass effect fan fiction? Like, seriously. This isn't fair. I just thought up an awesome scene and I can't afford the time to plot it all out in detail because I have midterms and assignments to do, and readings to finish up. Augh!

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 12 octobre 2012 - 12:05 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I think none of us really want the Asari to walk around naked all the time.   See, we're civilised.

Spiritwolf1, we can link up again at the same time later if you're up for it. I'm always a late nighter (have to), and we'll give it another shot. Several.

[Spiritwolf1]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I think none of us really want the Asari to walk around naked all the time. See, we're civilised.

Spiritwolf1, we can link up again at the same time later if you're up for it. I'm always a late nighter (have to), and we'll give it another shot. Several.

Im not saying Asari are not Asthitacally pleasing to the eye and sure dancing and stripping is not seen as bad in thier culture, that does not equate to nudity being a free for all in the culture. They are portrayed as having human emotions as well, including many human emotions such as shame and self consciousness and confidence of lack there of. I can see them being comfortable with it in their home and maybe a group or two of nudist like we have here but really I can't see them in a court room naked, or a political arena or the library or shoipping naked., but then that's just me, IM not sophisticated though and probably biased but I cant see it.


And sure, but I won't have as much time tomorrow.

[MrStoob]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I think none of us really want the Asari to walk around naked all the time. See, we're civilised.

Spiritwolf1, we can link up again at the same time later if you're up for it. I'm always a late nighter (have to), and we'll give it another shot. Several.

Im not saying Asari are not Asthitacally pleasing to the eye and sure dancing and stripping is not seen as bad in thier culture, that does not equate to nudity being a free for all in the culture. They are portrayed as having human emotions as well, including many human emotions such as shame and self consciousness and confidence of lack there of. I can see them being comfortable with it in their home and maybe a group or two of nudist like we have here but really I can't see them in a court room naked, or a political arena or the library or shoipping naked., but then that's just me, IM not sophisticated though and probably biased but I cant see it.


And sure, but I won't have as much time tomorrow.

Indeed, I wouldn't see them as popping to the supermarket in the buff, but hanging out with friends or family in an appropriate setting then maybe.  I just personally think if it doesn't add anything to the tale, then don't bother.  Who wants to open this innocent looking can?  woah!  where'd all those worms come from! 

[Drussius]

I don't think anyone was suggesting that the asari are a race of nudists. Obviously they wear clothing in the games. On Illium and Thessia, all the asari were quite obviously clothed. I was only mentioning my personal view that they likely don't consider nudity quite as taboo as human culture does. They seem relatively accepting of sexuality and sensuality, and I just pictured their culture as having things like communal bathing areas. I certainly wouldn't picture them walking down the street or shopping in the buff.

[Drussius]

MrStoob wrote...

Drussius wrote...

Okay, this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, but I have just learned that somehow since last year, my tolerance for alcohol has drastically decreased!

You haven't been playing the BSN drinking game have you?  lol

And no. Yesterday was my birthday, and the day before was my brother's. So I've had more alcohol in the last two days than I have the rest of the year combined.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

^ Oh! Happy Birthday, Drussius!   .... no party emoticons...*sniff* ...

Here...

[Spiritwolf1]

I find the older I get the longer it takes me to recover. No more or the wild hockey weekends of drinking and playing. Now it's either or. ((Im the goalie, I dont get time off the ice so, yeah, use the imagination, or better yet, don't)

Happy Birthday.

[Drussius]

^ Oh yeah... They really do need some party emoticons. But those aren't a bad start.


Edit: And I think this question has been asked before, but has anyone else ever had a character in their story step up and force you to put them in a greater role than originally intended? Of course I wanted to give all of the characters in my story a prominent role, but one in particular, as my readers may have noticed, has really grabbed me and demanded greater chances to shine.

Modifié par Drussius, 12 octobre 2012 - 01:12 .

[Icyflare]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Edit: On a side note, why is it that when i'm the busiest with schoolwork and studying, that my mind is 100% ready to write mass effect fan fiction? Like, seriously. This isn't fair. I just thought up an awesome scene and I can't afford the time to plot it all out in detail because I have midterms and assignments to do, and readings to finish up. Augh!

Probably because you're not as focused on your story and able to let your subconscious form interesting, novel concepts more easily than if you were just thinking about writing all the time. Or your life stuff just has really bad timing. Either way, I find that I'm the most productive with my writing when I'm desperately trying to avoid other work.

Modifié par Icyflare, 12 octobre 2012 - 01:36 .

[fluffywalrus]

Drussius wrote...

I don't think anyone was suggesting that the asari are a race of nudists. Obviously they wear clothing in the games. On Illium and Thessia, all the asari were quite obviously clothed. I was only mentioning my personal view that they likely don't consider nudity quite as taboo as human culture does. They seem relatively accepting of sexuality and sensuality, and I just pictured their culture as having things like communal bathing areas. I certainly wouldn't picture them walking down the street or shopping in the buff.

Aye. I mean, they prefer shared living spaces (as mentioned in the codex), they're open and accepting of sensuality and sexuality, they don't have a sex binary to attribute taboos and stigmas to their bodies that we experience (not that they might not have their own, but it's not really mentioned), they're collectivist, their reproduction and social focus is mentally-geared...

As I said before, it's unlikely there are millions of nude asari roaming the streets (again, clothing would likely have more of a social meaning rather than have bio-cultural meanings attached), but communal bathing, nudity around family and friends in a variety of social situations, etc. would probably not be far-fetched.

And I apologize to anyone I might be coming across as somewhat...focused. I just have a love for the study of bodies, gender, sex, etc. and how society and language influence how we perceive them. It's something I've spent some time writing papers on in University so far. So I am kind of passionate about it and can come across as a bit aggressive. Again, apologies.

Drussius wrote...

Edit: And
I think this question has been asked before, but has anyone else ever
had a character in their story step up and force you to put them in a
greater role than originally intended? Of course I wanted to give all of
the characters in my story a prominent role, but one in particular, as
my readers may have noticed, has really grabbed me and demanded greater
chances to shine.

Well, spoilers, i suppose, for those who haven't read my origin fic.

Well, when laying out my fic, there was a character (Faridah, for those who read Flotsam) that was supposed to be very minor and barely noticed in the Earth arc, who would appear later on in the military arc . As I canned the military arc, and as I wrote more about her in the Earth arc, I kind of grew fond of writing her. Instead of leaving some key character development points for Liara to help my Shep work out in the ME arc, I took parts of what I'd assembled for the military years, and the ME arc and worked it into the second half of my origin fic, Faridah taking a prime role in helping my Shepard grow.

Initially, she was supposed to be a reminder of a certain character(Viola) and my Shep's past on Earth, and lead into some introspection and angst, before apologizing to Faridah for acting badly toward her due to what her aunt had done, and forgiving Viola (to a degree) for what she did to my Shep's family.
In short, she was a bit character used as a plot device. She turned into a more fleshed out version of that, and gained a lot more purpose from it.

And i'm very likely bringing another character from my origin fic into my mass effect arc fic Feathers, because I liked writing the few scenes I did with her.

On a side note (which happens to be a bit vain in nature), I somehow just got two new favourites on Flotsam, which I finished a month ago. Just broke 5k views. When I finished Flotsam, it was hovering around 3600 views. A month of no new content, and I got more views in that span than I did probably in May, June and July combined. Wow. Kind of crazy!
Goes to show fics can have longevity!

Icyflare wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Edit:
On a side note, why is it that when i'm the busiest with schoolwork and
studying, that my mind is 100% ready to write mass effect fan fiction?

Probably
because you're not as focused on your story and able to let your
subconscious form interesting, novel concepts more easily than if you
were just thinking about writing all the time. Or your life stuff just
has really bad timing. Either way, I find that I'm the most productive
with my writing when I'm desperately trying to avoid other work.

Could certainly be one of those. I'm not really looking forward to the hours of studying I have ahead of me, nor the assignments. I want to not do that stuff, but I know I need to. Maybe my mind's just really active right now from all the studying, and in its effort to get me away from studying, it wants me to write all these cool things. Augh!

But yeah, good points. You could be onto something!

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 12 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Dark Satris]

Drussius wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Drussius wrote...

Okay, this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, but I have just learned that somehow since last year, my tolerance for alcohol has drastically decreased!

You haven't been playing the BSN drinking game have you?  lol

And no. Yesterday was my birthday, and the day before was my brother's. So I've had more alcohol in the last two days than I have the rest of the year combined.

well happy b-day Druss!

funny, its the time of b-days, my bro's is today and mine was not that long ago

and on another note, i have succesfully started Chapter 9 for Silent Echoes

[Drussius]

^ Actually, for me May/June is the time of birthdays. Both my daughters, my mom, four friends, and ex-wife. All between May 18th and June 22nd. Seconded by October. One of my closest friends from high school on the 7th, my brother on the 9th, me on the 10th.

And congrats on starting Chapter 9

[Dark Satris]

Drussius wrote...

^ Actually, for me May/June is the time of birthdays. Both my daughters, my mom, four friends, and ex-wife. All between May 18th and June 22nd. Seconded by October. One of my closest friends from high school on the 7th, my brother on the 9th, me on the 10th.

And congrats on starting Chapter 9

well, me its in september, on the equinox () and thank you. this chapter goes on with Satris's visit to an old contact *coughs* Bryson *coughs*

[MrStoob]

I need a woman's perspective for a scene I'm working on, preferably a little older than the normal demographic (30s+ if anyone is willing to admit hehe). Can someone pm me please? I'd really appreciate it. It's potentially a delicate subject and I'd rather not have the wrath of 50% of the ME crowd on me.

Ta.

[fluffywalrus]

If you don't get any in that demographic, I might be able to help (a few years shy of that minimum, at 26), depending on the topic.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:21 .

[MrStoob]

Ta Fluffy, Spirit kindly pm'd and I think I've got it sorted (I hope!). And... I assumed you were a bloke lol. My bad ^^

Edit: it's amazing what you can find out on someone's profile, such as gender... ha!

Modifié par MrStoob, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:46 .

[fluffywalrus]

Hah, no worries. I've been on the internet long enough to understand that most people assume male, unless proven otherwise .

And hurray for getting what info you needed!

[Ursakar]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Hah, no worries. I've been on the internet long enough to understand that most people assume male, unless proven otherwise .

Actually, your statement is slightly reversed for me. One of my readers always assumed I was a woman.

[dpMeggers]

Hello again to all my fellow ficcers! I'm recovering from a 3 month bout of real life during which time I've been neglecting you (and your lovely fics) horribly. Many apologies. A no less enthusiastic hello to those who have popped in since my last appearance, I can't wait to read your words.

As Sam said to Rosie at the end of The Return of the King: "Well, I'm back." And just in time for a discussion of asari cultural mores surrounding nudity. My thoughts - asari clothing are probably chosen for aesthetics. I always thought traditional asari clothing was crafted more from really floaty fabrics like silks and chiffons than the weird plastic-y looking stuff we see in game. (Think Padme's rainbow dress in Attack of the Clones).

Also: Happy birthday Drussius.
A note about birthdays - Late September/Early October have a fairly heavy concentration of birthdays in my family/group of friends. I worked out once that it's about 9 months after New Year's Eve/Valentine's day.

Re: Character takeover.
Have I experienced it? Yes. Conversation was supposed to be Damon Shepard's origin story and all about how he went from being an orphaned street rat gang member to being part of a unit that got wiped out by thresher maws and a particular friend that he made and lost along the way. Thanks to the introduction of that friend (Robbie/R.J.), suddenly the fic becomes less about Shepard and more about Shepard, R.J., their families and how the galaxy reacted to the tragedy of Akuze. And even then family members who were supposed to be minor characters elbowed their way into prominence (I'm looking at you Tess). I think part of it was just the fact that a lot of R.J.'s character was defined by the way he grew up and how close it made him and his sister. I also needed Tess to be a bit more fleshed out for the Blitz scenes - otherwise no one would have sympathized with R.J. and Damon when they didn't know if she was safe. If I let myself, I could probably just spend the rest of my time writing backstories for my various minor characters and ignore the main plot entirely. (Unlike what I've been doing up until now - that is...not writing at all).

It's good to be back.

[fluffywalrus]

Welcome back!

[hot_heart]

Hey, good to have you back. Now we just need lilli.

[Icyflare]

fluffywalrus wrote...

And I apologize to anyone I might be coming across as somewhat...focused. I just have a love for the study of bodies, gender, sex, etc. and how society and language influence how we perceive them. It's something I've spent some time writing papers on in University so far. So I am kind of passionate about it and can come across as a bit aggressive. Again, apologies.

I hadn't really noticed or taken offense, actually, but then again, I'm kind of used to conversing with people who are very passionate about what they do. Also, psychology/sociology topics. Always fascinating.

fluffywalrus wrote...

On a side note (which happens to be a bit vain in nature), I somehow just got two new favourites on Flotsam, which I finished a month ago. Just broke 5k views. When I finished Flotsam, it was hovering around 3600 views. A month of no new content, and I got more views in that span than I did probably in May, June and July combined. Wow. Kind of crazy!
Goes to show fics can have longevity!

I'm more inclined to think that the fact your current fic is a sequel with characters from the previous story still affecting it probably has a good deal to do with it. People want to find out how your Shepard got to where she is, and the significance that these people from Flotsam have for her.

Edit: Welcome back! I had wondered where you went.

Modifié par Icyflare, 12 octobre 2012 - 06:40 .