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[Lilivati]

fluffywalrus wrote...

So yeah, I'm buzzing with excitement, and making headway into chapter 8 before i head to bed. Still a lot of work to do tomorrow, but I feel i've earned a little more writing time.

Going to bed buzzing with excitement about a story is one of the best feelings ever.  XD  

[Drussius]

Well, here's something I didn't expect. I've been working on my story so hard and I've gotten into the heads of my characters, which is all working very well. I'm very happy with the state and direction of my main fic. However, I was going to turn out a quick side story, and I find one of my characters bleeding into the side story. In trying to write Tali, I keep slipping into Neela mode. It's a little frustrating, but more amusing than anything.

Guess I've become even more attached to my characters than I realized.

[Tairis Deamhan]

Drussius wrote...

Well, here's something I didn't expect. I've been working on my story so hard and I've gotten into the heads of my characters, which is all working very well. I'm very happy with the state and direction of my main fic. However, I was going to turn out a quick side story, and I find one of my characters bleeding into the side story. In trying to write Tali, I keep slipping into Neela mode. It's a little frustrating, but more amusing than anything.

Guess I've become even more attached to my characters than I realized.

I'd recommend jotting some personality notes to refer to at the bottom of whatever you're writing, along with a few quotes from the characters that you're trying to write that speak to their personality. Makes a handy quick reference.

[Spiritwolf1]

bump

[Ursakar]

Bump for a second time.

[MrStoob]

Okay, okay, I'll post something proper ^^

Do you listen to your reviewers for story direction? I had a review from my nice regular reviewer that said "Looking forward to 'x event'" but I had no intention of covering that in any detail as it's already in the game. We all know what happened in the in-game sequences so why bother trying to re-write them unless you are doing a full AU? But now I'm thinking, do I want to disappoint my reader(s)? They might open the next chapter, which I intended to be after said event, and think "oh, I was looking forward to that and it's been bypassed completely."

[hot_heart]

If you're talking about the Collector Base/suicide mission, it would be odd to skip over that. Seems like perfect grounds for exploring your characters' relationships and underlying tensions, building on what is only visible on the surface during the actual game events.

As for the question, in general: sort of. Mainly, I was gauging feedback to some original characters I had introduced, and have since decided to expand their roles and give them a proper presence and relevance to the themes of the story.

Though, I am in a bit of a bind as I do get the odd review where people expect me to alter the in-game stuff when I was seeking only to supplement it. I'm as dissatisfied as many other people are with certain aspects of the game but rewriting it was never my goal. I'm hoping some are not expecting post-game stuff either...

[Ursakar]

I sometimes listen to my reviewers' suggestions although it gets harder because there are so many of them. My last 4 chapters have something close to 70 reviews each, therefore taking into account all of the suggestions is impossible for me.

Modifié par Ursakar, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:20 .

[dpMeggers]

I wound up writing 13 chapters because a reviewer said they liked my one shot and hoped to see more...so there's that.

I think because I'm writing a prequel I'm unlikely to run into that exact situation, but some reviews have made me look pretty critically at the story and have prompted a few alterations and a bit of expansion on certain events.

[fluffywalrus]

MrStoob wrote...

Okay, okay, I'll post something proper ^^

Do you listen to your reviewers for story direction? I had a review from my nice regular reviewer that said "Looking forward to 'x event'" but I had no intention of covering that in any detail as it's already in the game. We all know what happened in the in-game sequences so why bother trying to re-write them unless you are doing a full AU? But now I'm thinking, do I want to disappoint my reader(s)? They might open the next chapter, which I intended to be after said event, and think "oh, I was looking forward to that and it's been bypassed completely."

Well, you don't necessarily need to cover X event. I read  a fic once that didn't write any of the events on Virmire, but instead focused on the fallout and inter-character reactions afterward. Another writer did a similar thing with Noveria, and others have done it with Pragia, Illium, etc. In the end, it had the same effect. The in-game stuff is usually just a way to express what characters are thinking, feeling, etc., but it's not like that stuff can't be brought up outside of the event, obviously.

I think I'd have a problem if someone, for instance, skipped over Virmire as if it never happened. Like, if they wrote:
"Shepard stayed in bed an extra day because of Virmire because it was horrible." to cover both the Virmire event
and how s/he and the rest of the crew felt about the mission. And then never brought any related stuff up ever again in their fic.

I think that so long as the main events in the game are at least brought up in some detail, whether a snippet in mission action, or some post-event discussion in some form, I don't think anyone would really be miffed at all.

[Spiritwolf1]

I just finiahed writing a whole chapter about an event just because more then one person mentioned they would have liked to see it. I had never planned on writing it and it wasn't really important to the story but it worked so...

[MrStoob]

fluffywalrus wrote...

I think I'd have a problem if someone, for instance, skipped over Virmire as if it never happened.

Haha.  Well I'll take that into account at least for my *ahem* reviewer.  Hmm, let me look over the chapter I've started again...  

[fluffywalrus]

MrStoob wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

I think I'd have a problem if someone, for instance, skipped over Virmire as if it never happened.

Haha.  Well I'll take that into account at least for my *ahem* reviewer.  Hmm, let me look over the chapter I've started again...  

I will say that it would be kind of funny, in a weird way for Ash/Kaidan to just not be mentioned ever again, and for no reason to ever be brought up about it
As if they never existed at all...at all...at all...

But honestly, your fic's good. I don't foresee any hiccups in the future, and normally I roll with the punches well

Hell, I know my readers had plenty of time to criticize me for saying, from like, chapter 12 through 19 that I was "one or two chapters from the end". I kept saying that, and it never wound up being true.

So honestly, don't worry too much about it.

[MrStoob]

It's funny, in the ME1 arc of Blue, I barely mention much of the missions unless I had something to say about them, favouring fluff and silliness. I didn't even introduce Tali/Wrex/Garrus, they were just there. I think the difficulty I've had with the ME2 arc is a distinct lack of Liara or Ashley. Thank the lord for LOTSB and Horizon lol. I have come to accept that Blue is essentially a Shep/Liara love story and their best mate Ash, and ME2 doesn't lend to that whatsoever.

I agree though that significant points should at least be mentioned in some meaningful way, such as the Virmire non-survivor (is there an opposite acronym for the VS?). Food for thought though, thanks fluffster.

[Dark Satris]

hey, i was thinking of something for my fic (sorry if its been awhile since ive posted)

if Satris could find a cure for Kepral's (as Thane will be introduced) should i have that happen (and have mr Krios cured) or not? (because the thought of Thane joining the Echoes is unspeakably awesome)

see you guys around,

S.R.

Modifié par Dark Satris, 24 octobre 2012 - 02:25 .

[fluffywalrus]

On one hand, curing Thane would be cool.
On the other hand, the amount of scientists working on kepral's is very small, and the Hanar aren't really known for their scientific prowess as a species, and their population is rather small, and have less resources available than some more prominent species do. The odds of a cure would be slim.

However, IF your character managed to find someone who was developing it, or who HAD a cure, somehow, I'm not sure curing Thane would be a great thing. I mean, part of his character's foundation is built on the consequences of putting personal matters aside, and what the cost for that is in reality. It made Thane's death have meaning, and without Kepral's, he's a guy that's entirely let off the hook for his life's mistakes, removing the notion that there WILL be consequences for one's mistakes. Thane was built as a condemned character, an hourglass hovering over his head, trying to accomplish as much good as he could to make up for his mistakes. IMO at least.

So I don't know. Thane's a great character, but keeping him alive is certainly a decision you'd need to make. Either way, i'm sure it would be entertaining, but it would be akin to (IMO) socializing Jack so much that she lost her hyper-aggressive attitude and penchant for cursing and became totally calm about her past. It'd just erase her past experience, IMO. Characters need to be treated slightly differently than people, because characters are often built on concepts, with set narratives, and we get to know them through this over short periods of time, and continue to know them for a limited time.

I mean, if you want to keep Thane alive, go ahead. I've read fics where he's kept alive and that was fine and believable, and sometimes enjoyable, but it made me re-evaluate who Thane was, and it (personally) often resulted in making his character much less interesting. Usually success occurred when significant lore was added to thane, basically re-baptizing him and crafting a new character through him with what was known as a template. Not an uncommon process, but certainly a trickier one.


of course, this is just my opinion. I know plenty of folk who think Thane having keprals and needing to die is bullcrap.

[Dark Satris]

what about bringing him back to life...? (>

[Spiritwolf1]

Kinda make his sacrifice seem either in vain or less than. I know that making everything perfect is nice and all but if things people did suddenly started to mean nothing then what is the point.

They give us this great scene where Thane basically sacrifices himself for you and to bring him back from that would kinda cheapen it. IMHO anyway

Modifié par Spiritwolf1, 24 octobre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Spiritwolf1]

And sorry, in saying that it is your fan fic and if that is what you want then do it, what we think shouldn't matter

[Drussius]

Well, somehow my fic got added to a community on FF.net. That's a new one on me, and I'm not even sure what it signifies exactly, but it's still kinda exciting. On the reverse side of the coin, I was going to do a short side story, but I find that every time I sit down to try writing some of it, my mind keeps shifting back to my main fic. I actually feel a little guilty for straying away from it.

@ Satris: Personally, what I found most compelling about Thane was the fact that he was terminally ill and making peace with his life. Some people complain about his death, but personally, I thought it was handled beautifully and the scene with him in the infirmary while Kolyat read the prayer was fantastic. In taking away the central aspect of his character - that he's dying - Thane loses all his appeal in my view... the opinions of others may certainly vary.

However, as Spirit said, it is your fic, and the beauty of fanfiction is that it lets writers, and by extension readers, explore alternate outcomes, different ideas, and new takes on characters. So if the idea of a fic where Thane is somehow saved really grabs your imagination and you want to run with it, do it! I'm sure there is a sizeable segment of Thane's fans who would love to read about him with a hopeful future ahead of him.

[AustereLemur799]

Just emerging from my new hermit's cave to say hi.  

Seeing as I'm without many 21st century luxuries - namely an internet connection! - I'll probably only pop in once a week, at least until I get things sorted.

I finally got my latest chapter out. It took me no less than 6 weeks  to write . I thought I'd feel happy or even exhausted, but I just feel...nothing. I'm completely numb.

I dunno whether the recent upheaval in my life has drained out all my passion for writing. Maybe. I feel homesick and miss my family, but such is life.

I hope you'll forgive me for not weighing in on the more serious discussions going on, but I've got a lot on my plate right now. All I can do is wish you guys continued luck with your endeavours. Have fun!

P.S. Dark Satris, if you're out there... I did see that you've got a new chapter up last time I logged in to FFN. I will get around to reading it, I promise.

[Spiritwolf1]

I hope things start getting better for you Lemur. I remember what its like to move away from everything you know. It's tuff and at time (for me at least) depressing and scary, but time heals all wounds and hopefully you find something that makes your new living arrangement a home.

[MrStoob]

RE: Thane

Our first meeting with Mr Krios set his tone I thought:
"Prayers for the wicked must not be forsaken."
"You think she deserves it?"
"Not for her. For me."

He was always about absolving his sins, his dark revenge taken on those who killed his wife. I'm not saying he deserved to die (most of the Normandy crew would deserve to die if that stance is taken), but it gave him a certain closure. He didn't die a murderer, he died with his family and friend with the words of the spirituality he took great solace from.

[Dark Satris]

ok, i thought of something today; what if, instead of not dying or being brought back, he dies later on? (as Satris's mandate would have him at the right place at the right time)

[Lilivati]

I honestly didn't like or connect with Thane as a character at all, so fair warning. But from a story perspective, his story arc only closes when he dies. That is the whole thing in a nutshell. You have a man who is atoning for his sins in preparation for his death. When Thane enters the ME storyline, he has already made peace with his own mortality. His story cannot be finished with him still alive and feel "right", or fit the established narrative. The reader (or player) enters his story with the assumption that he's going to die. That's my biggest problem with leaving him alive or resurrecting him.

But it's fanfic, and you can write whatever kind of story you like.