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[AustereLemur799]

RE Justicars:

I can't say for certain, but if you're just trying to get a general consensus; I'd wager that the Justicar Order is old - I think it was established way, way before the asari discovered the Citadel. According to Samara (I think, but could be mistaken since it's been a while since I touched the games ), there is a casualty rate during training so it must be pretty hardcore. It's also quite old-fashioned - she likened it to Knights Errant and Samurai. 

I suppose the modern-day police and commandos would have overtaken it in popularity, and that it only exists primarily to honour an old tradition. I don't know but I suppose it was the asari eqivalent of the salarian STG or human spec ops - which kind of all became redundant with the Council Spectres (or possibly not?).

Also I believe in one part of Samara's power tree in ME2 that her biotic powers are on par with a Matriarch, so obviously Justicars are much more powerful than your average asari citizen.

RE Liara's power:

When I play the games I don't get the sense that she is what I'd call a 'powerhouse'; in fact to me she's primarily a scientist and not a combatant. In my fic, however, I imagine that Benezia made sure that she was taught to be proficient in biotics - mostly just because she's the daughter of a Matriarch and would be spoiled!

For the record, PMC also explores Liara attending biotics academy in her fic if anyone's interested.

RE biotics:

Just a general question to the floor, because this is something that has always bothered me in my writing. How do people describe biotics and people casting them in combat?

Hot_Heart, I gather that you're an expert here since you write about the wonderful Miranda.

I think so far I haven't said anything like 'X used Warp'. I've kind of described it as X using their biotics to, for example, distort the mass of the target (or whatever according to the type of biotic attack). Of course science isn't my bag at all so it's probably really obvious that I don't have the faintest clue what I'm talking about!


Thanks in advance, and a very Happy New Year to those of you who are way ahead than us Europeans.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 31 décembre 2012 - 10:02 .

[Ignis Mors]

I personally say that they used the names of abilities because I think that it would be what they would be called in training and common parlance.

[MrStoob]

A happy new year to all my fiction writing friends, and all that jazz!

[gearseffect]

@ Everyone regarding my issue of when the Justicars were formed I just wanted to know if it was left vague like it is. Which works great for me because I can continue forth with my plans *rubs hands together evil*.

@Lemur799, re guarding Justicars, 'Although justicars generally work alone, their effectiveness arises from the huge body of knowledge they can access. Any asari who enters the ranks of justicars has already spent centuries in a combination of criminal investigation, military intelligence, and combat experience; the collective body of justicar knowledge exceeds even that of the Spectres"

And no the Justicar order was not at all like the Salarian STG, human spec ops, or Spectres, Justicars aren't really a military force and more of a punisher type thing.

Also I normally disregaurd the power wheel stats it's often times contradicts the lore of the series. As an example you pointed out that Samara's power stats has the thing about rivaling an asari matriarch, however a friend of mine did the math and Samara's age is between 823 and 858.

So she could technically be a Matriarch but then again all asari enter their stages at different times so she could still be in the Matron stage.

As for your biotic power writing problem I always just go with using the term warp, shock-wave, throw, pull, overload, and such. It makes it simpler and gives readers a better idea of what's happening. So in other words I agree with Ingis.

I too view Liara as more of a scientist/researcher non-combatant, who is less skilled in the way of using her biotics as a weapon and in well fighting in general.

And don't even get me started on Reeve and Kiadan having it, urhhh I always had a head canon that very few individuals could master and use reeve and it was a predominantly exceptional asari biotics that knew and could channel reeve, and due to Shepard upgrading his/her self over the course of ME2 with those cybernetic skin, muscle, bone, things and what not it allowed Shepard to tap into a biotic power level akin to asari granted it would wear him/her down much faster and drain 'em.

anyway sorry for that rant of sorts leave it to BW to do the most stupidest stuff with ME3. *cough* Kaidan reeve *cough* and throw out the value of having Liara as the Shadow Broker because those resources of the SB certainly didn't do much in the way of helping defeat the Reapers. Not to mention tracking TIM down.

[Ignis Mors]

I remember Samara saying that she'd lived for over a thousand years in the conversation after her loyalty mission. Though, I may be wrong.

[Lilivati]

 Samara's age is something of a contradiction.  The game does state that she is approximately 1000 years old.  However, if you look at the official ME2 site it lists her age as approximately 600 human years.  That's quite a wide degree of variation.  Someone more expert on asari can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm also not sure if it's established at what age an asari could be considered a matriarch, other than "old".  I get the anecdotal impression from how Samara acts that 1000 is a better fit.

Also, and this is a nitpick, Kaidan actually is a heavy hitter when it comes to biotics.  His abilities are supposedly comparable to an asari's, and the only human biotic we meet indicated to have higher firepower is Jack (or possibly biotic Shepard).  So I can understand being miffed if you'd headcanoned reave to be exclusive/rare, and there's no reason you can't headcanon it back out if Kaidan appears in a fic, but I don't think it's entirely out of line for straight canon.  /end nitpick

Also a very happy new year to everyone.  I hope everyone has a safe and wonderful holiday!

Edit: One day I really am going to learn to stop typing "possible" when my brain thinks "possibly".  >_<

Modifié par Lilivati, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:33 .

[gearseffect]

Kiadan won't pop up in any of my fics, because in all my playthroughs his dullness reaches atomic levels and it results in him combusting and exploding, which allows us to secure victory through nuclear fire.

I like that it has weight.

Anyway at Lilivati Asari age things

Asari pass through three climacteric life stages, marked by biochemical and physiological changes:

The Maiden stage begins at puberty and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless.
The Matron stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.
The Matriarch stage begins around 700 years of age, or earlier if the individual melds rarely. Matriarchs become active in their community as sages and councilors, dispensing wisdom from centuries of experience. Their knowledge and guidance may be one reason why Matriarchs are rarely seen outside asari space

Also I've got the work and numbers from when my friend did the math with the dates, and time line and everything. Shes a really cool gal who used to frequent the bsn, Llhayne.

I can and will keep my headcanon the way I had it. The Reeve in ME3 isn't the real Reeve from ME2. So Mr dull can act like he has Reeve. Also I like to think that Miranda is a better biotic than Kiadan, and because I like him Jacob too.
Okay I'll stop, Kiadan was just super dull to me in ME1.

@Ignis, Samara said she'd lived for nearly a thousand years and she still had hounderids of years left to live. Also if you listen closely to the way she says things and what not it's very indicative of her being a Couple (as in two) hundred years away from being 1000 and from what I gather most Asari live to be 1,000 which could mean 1,200, or 1,300 or whatever.

While we are on nitpicks I always gave my Shep reeve in ME2 then importing him into ME3 I couldn't get Reeve cause dull stone is always dead. But it worked out okay cause Dark Chanel is more like the real Reeve.

Anyway I too shall join in the festivities now of wishing everyone a happy new year and don't party too hard. I've lost my voice so I can't talk and can't go out I'll just be spending the countdown at home with my dogs writing fanfic.

Modifié par gearseffect, 01 janvier 2013 - 05:47 .

[enayasoul]

Happy New Year! I hope this year brings lots of stories/ideas and good times.

[gisle]

Lilivati wrote...

 Samara's age is something of a contradiction.  The game does state that she is approximately 1000 years old.  However, if you look at the official ME2 site it lists her age as approximately 600 human years.  That's quite a wide degree of variation.  Someone more expert on asari can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm also not sure if it's established at what age an asari could be considered a matriarch, other than "old".  I get the anecdotal impression from how Samara acts that 1000 is a better fit.

The ME2 team seemed like people who don't talk as much with each other as they should.

Samara: "Only three Ardat-Yakshi are in existance today..."
Codex: "Up to 1% of the asari population dwells on the Ardat-Yakshi spectrum."

Samara's outfit is another example of the art team and writers not talking as much as they should do.

So, it wouldn't surprice me if someone put her age at 600, and another at almost-thousand.

If you were 60 years, would you say almost hundred? I know asari are a bit more long term in their thinking, but six hundred is not "almost thousand." I'll say that puts her in her 900s at least. Thessian years a shorter, but 10% shorter at most. Also, if she's 600, that'll put her matron stage at 95-117 years old, since Falere is 473 years old.
EDIT: That site also puts Mordin at 50 years old... I don't think it was ME writers who wrote that thing.

As for the matriach stage, it can be entered early if the asari meld rarely and/or feel ready for it. It doesn't have to mean the matriarch is interested in community affairs. The codex mention matriarchs who don't give a damn about it. I'd think Samara is a matraich in the biological sense, but the person who wrote the power description of her class didn't know what s/he was doing. Non-biotic Shepard can have biotic bonus powers, and the innate Ardat-Yakshi domination... further proving exactly that.

As for how long they live, Samara and Aethyta are both around 1,000, but also fit individuals, which is probably the exception rather than the norm for asari matriarchs. I'd guess that asari life expectency is around 1,000-1,200 depending on how healthy and fit the individual is. Also, had they lived for many centuries beyond 1,000, the biology codex would perhaps not say "known to reah thousand years of age," exactly.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:07 .

[hot_heart]

Happy New Year, everyone!

AustereLemur799 wrote...
RE biotics:

Just a general question to the floor, because this is something that has always bothered me in my writing. How do people describe biotics and people casting them in combat?

Hot_Heart, I gather that you're an expert here since you write about the wonderful Miranda.

I think so far I haven't said anything like 'X used Warp'. I've kind of described it as X using their biotics to, for example, distort the mass of the target (or whatever according to the type of biotic attack). Of course science isn't my bag at all so it's probably really obvious that I don't have the faintest clue what I'm talking about!

Haha. Thanks, but I'm probably the worst person to ask. Because Miranda's on her own and cut off from a lot of things, I've not really had her using biotics; better to rely on kinetic barriers and omni-tool functions, thus saving energy. You can probably find some better examples from people here.

Personally, I usually avoid the technical, and keep it simple: Biotics flare, energy crackling around, throwing a warp field, summoning a barrier, tossing foes aside, etc. Comes down to personal style, and I figure most readers will already have an idea of what you're describing and the effect it has.

You already seem aware of avoiding videogamey language anyway, so I think you're doing fine.

[Lilivati]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Lilivati wrote...

 Samara's age is something of a contradiction.  The game does state that she is approximately 1000 years old.  However, if you look at the official ME2 site it lists her age as approximately 600 human years.  That's quite a wide degree of variation.  Someone more expert on asari can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm also not sure if it's established at what age an asari could be considered a matriarch, other than "old".  I get the anecdotal impression from how Samara acts that 1000 is a better fit.

The ME2 team seemed like people who don't talk as much with each other as they should.

Samara: "Only three Ardat-Yakshi are in existance today..."
Codex: "Up to 1% of the asari population dwells on the Ardat-Yakshi spectrum."

Samara's outfit is another example of the art team and writers not talking as much as they should do.

So, it wouldn't surprice me if someone put her age at 600, and another at almost-thousand.

If you were 60 years, would you say almost hundred? I know asari are a bit more long term in their thinking, but six hundred is not "almost thousand." I'll say that puts her in her 900s at least. Thessian years a shorter, but 10% shorter at most. Also, if she's 600, that'll put her matron stage at 95-117 years old, since Falere is 473 years old.
EDIT: That site also puts Mordin at 50 years old... I don't think it was ME writers who wrote that thing.

As for the matriach stage, it can be entered early if the asari meld rarely and/or feel ready for it. It doesn't have to mean the matriarch is interested in community affairs. The codex mention matriarchs who don't give a damn about it. I'd think Samara is a matraich in the biological sense, but the person who wrote the power description of her class didn't know what s/he was doing. Non-biotic Shepard can have biotic bonus powers, and the innate Ardat-Yakshi domination... further proving exactly that.

As for how long they live, Samara and Aethyta are both around 1,000, but also fit individuals, which is probably the exception rather than the norm for asari matriarchs. I'd guess that asari life expectency is around 1,000-1,200 depending on how healthy and fit the individual is. Also, had they lived for many centuries beyond 1,000, the biology codex would perhaps not say "known to reah thousand years of age," exactly.

Yeah, I agree that a lot of the writing on ME2 feels disconnected in the ways you described, esp. between in-game and the codex or promotional writing.  Samara acts like a matriarch, and so I've always in my headcanon classified her as such.  Her outfit is kind of... incongruent with her persona, but on the other hand, it's kind of fun to think of her as an elder asari who is as confident about her appearance and what she choses to wear as she is about everything else in life (though I agree it's more likely to be just simple fanservice).

Re: Mordin there was actually a Bioware post somewhere on BSN that cleared that up, but I probably couldn't find it quickly.  I think it had something to do with "is equivalent to a 50 year old human" or something like that, even if it's not his actual age.  They use the same logic for Grunt.  Ass-covering, sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.  

To me, anything put out by an officially sanctioned source can be considered as adding to official canon.  If that creates contradictions, then it's up to the fanfic writer to resolve them.  Obviously some people are more restrictive (limiting themselves to in-game sources, for example) but quite honestly, a lot of times I want or need information on stuff that is not covered in the games.  

But my more general point was because of all the ambiguity, a lot of times fanfic writers just have to make their best guess (or choose something plausible that suits their story).  

I appreciate the additional information on matriarch stage.  That makes a lot of sense, and explains some things about asari culture.    I never said that I thought "600 is almost a thousand"; I agree with you entirely.  I was pointing out it's a hell of a difference, actually.  XD  Aethyta herself is a pretty good example of a matriarch who doesn't give a damn about community affairs, but she's still exceptional in her own way.  We really don't get a chance to see many unexceptional matriarchs, i.e. older asari going about their lives.  Even, say, the citadel NPC asari in ME3 seem younger, though I'd guess most of the matriarchs are back on Thessia.

[gisle]

Aethyta is, actually. She's a bit of an idealist, so to say. She just stopped to care after her ideas met only ridicule among other matrirachs, if one is to believe her story to explain that she's totally not working at that bar to keep an eye on Liara.

The game offer many tidbits of lore in the most strange of places, I find it a bit fun to piece these together and read between the lines to make somewhat logical conclusions. There's a lot of room for interpretation in this, however, and sometimes you might read another person's 'fic or RP and find assumptions you disagree with, but makes a lot of sense as it's just a completely valid alternate interpretation. Like when asari physical maturity is, whether they form scars, Ardat-Yakshi, etc...

I let the game rule in lore discrepencies, then books, then game mechanics. I think Ascension described biotics a lot different than the game. Charging up the dark energy beforehand instead of firing and repaying an 'energy debt' with a cooldown. The book's make more sense, but wouldn't be fun in-game. And I've already ranted about how game balance makes them unable to give some characters their true powers outside cutscenes. And progression in biotic training would take a lot longer than in-game. If the progression was that quick, your average 200 year old Eclipse merc would have cleaned house, if a human progresses that far in 3 years...

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 01 janvier 2013 - 04:20 .

[Drussius]

First off, Happy New Year to all. Hope everyone had a great night and is enjoying the start to their 2013.

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Samara: "Only three Ardat-Yakshi are in existance today..."
Codex: "Up to 1% of the asari population dwells on the Ardat-Yakshi spectrum."

Don't have a lot to add on the other issues discussed because I happen to agree with most of it. As for this, however, my personal feeling was that these were never meant to contradict each other. I took it instead as similar to genetic diseases like Taysachs. 1% of the asari population carries the recessive gene that contributes to the Ardat-Yakshi mutation, but like Taysachs, the mutation only actually occurs in children when both parents carry the gene. Hence the information given that it's a mutation that results only from asari-exclusive pairings. That sort of thing.

I mean, Samara is not an Ardat-Yakshi, but all three of her children were. So she apparently carries some sort of recessive gene that she passed on to her offspring, but she herself is not sterile, so the mutation isn't active in her physical makeup.

However, if you want to point out inconsistencies, there's something else in play with Samara. She says there are only three Ardat-Yakshi in existence today. And yet there's a whole Ardat-Yakshi monastery where her daughters are staying, and where logs make reference to multiple other Ardat-Yakshi.

[Lilivati]

It could be a kind of spectrum disorder- maybe Samara's daughters are worst-case expressions of the trait, but there are other asari who aren't as strongly affected. (Or the writers were like "this is REALLY cool- let's do more of it!" when it came to ardat-yakshi. ) I kinda liked it better as it was in ME2. It made Samara's situation seem more tragic and desperate. In light of how many ardat-yakshi apparently exist, her life choices almost seem like an overreaction, sometimes.

[gearseffect]

Lilivati wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Lilivati wrote...

 Samara's age is something of a contradiction.  The game does state that she is approximately 1000 years old.  However, if you look at the official ME2 site it lists her age as approximately 600 human years.  That's quite a wide degree of variation.  Someone more expert on asari can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm also not sure if it's established at what age an asari could be considered a matriarch, other than "old".  I get the anecdotal impression from how Samara acts that 1000 is a better fit.

The ME2 team seemed like people who don't talk as much with each other as they should.

Samara: "Only three Ardat-Yakshi are in existance today..."
Codex: "Up to 1% of the asari population dwells on the Ardat-Yakshi spectrum."

Samara's outfit is another example of the art team and writers not talking as much as they should do.

So, it wouldn't surprice me if someone put her age at 600, and another at almost-thousand.

If you were 60 years, would you say almost hundred? I know asari are a bit more long term in their thinking, but six hundred is not "almost thousand." I'll say that puts her in her 900s at least. Thessian years a shorter, but 10% shorter at most. Also, if she's 600, that'll put her matron stage at 95-117 years old, since Falere is 473 years old.
EDIT: That site also puts Mordin at 50 years old... I don't think it was ME writers who wrote that thing.

As for the matriach stage, it can be entered early if the asari meld rarely and/or feel ready for it. It doesn't have to mean the matriarch is interested in community affairs. The codex mention matriarchs who don't give a damn about it. I'd think Samara is a matraich in the biological sense, but the person who wrote the power description of her class didn't know what s/he was doing. Non-biotic Shepard can have biotic bonus powers, and the innate Ardat-Yakshi domination... further proving exactly that.

As for how long they live, Samara and Aethyta are both around 1,000, but also fit individuals, which is probably the exception rather than the norm for asari matriarchs. I'd guess that asari life expectency is around 1,000-1,200 depending on how healthy and fit the individual is. Also, had they lived for many centuries beyond 1,000, the biology codex would perhaps not say "known to reah thousand years of age," exactly.

Yeah, I agree that a lot of the writing on ME2 feels disconnected in the ways you described, esp. between in-game and the codex or promotional writing.  Samara acts like a matriarch, and so I've always in my headcanon classified her as such.  Her outfit is kind of... incongruent with her persona, but on the other hand, it's kind of fun to think of her as an elder asari who is as confident about her appearance and what she choses to wear as she is about everything else in life (though I agree it's more likely to be just simple fanservice).

Re: Mordin there was actually a Bioware post somewhere on BSN that cleared that up, but I probably couldn't find it quickly.  I think it had something to do with "is equivalent to a 50 year old human" or something like that, even if it's not his actual age.  They use the same logic for Grunt.  Ass-covering, sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.  

To me, anything put out by an officially sanctioned source can be considered as adding to official canon.  If that creates contradictions, then it's up to the fanfic writer to resolve them.  Obviously some people are more restrictive (limiting themselves to in-game sources, for example) but quite honestly, a lot of times I want or need information on stuff that is not covered in the games.  

But my more general point was because of all the ambiguity, a lot of times fanfic writers just have to make their best guess (or choose something plausible that suits their story).  

I appreciate the additional information on matriarch stage.  That makes a lot of sense, and explains some things about asari culture.    I never said that I thought "600 is almost a thousand"; I agree with you entirely.  I was pointing out it's a hell of a difference, actually.  XD  Aethyta herself is a pretty good example of a matriarch who doesn't give a damn about community affairs, but she's still exceptional in her own way.  We really don't get a chance to see many unexceptional matriarchs, i.e. older asari going about their lives.  Even, say, the citadel NPC asari in ME3 seem younger, though I'd guess most of the matriarchs are back on Thessia.

Why do people pick on her outfit? I love it, I get it, it has some decent sex appeal but it still bugs me that people are sill seeing it as an issue or whatever. She's the only squadmate with cleavage showing (other than Jack) and I feel it's a nice break from outfits that are often very much the same, Miranda, Tali, ME3 Ashley, ME1 Liara casual, Chakwas, and ME3/LotSB Liara.

Speaking of Liara, I can't stand the ME3 CE outfit Liara has, if it was simply a red version  of her white one I'd love the heck out of it. But it has the forehead crowns, and myself along with many other Samara and non-Samara fans had considered Samara's forehead crow things as a signiture Justicar thing, like a symbol or badge. So Liara having them was just ugrhhhhhhh no, I remember when that outfit was reveal people said it was Liara cosplaying as Samara but now nobody mentions it I'm gonna. Ha.

My bad for misinterprating what you were saying about Samara being 600. My apoligies Lilivati, 

[hot_heart]

And they gave a tweaked version of Miranda's outfit to a robot! <_<

[Ignis Mors]

Yeah, EDI's possession of a version of Miranda's outfit made absolutely no sense. Also, did anyone else notice that there weren't any really good teammates in ME3?

[Drussius]

Ignis Mors wrote...

Yeah, EDI's possession of a version of Miranda's outfit made absolutely no sense. Also, did anyone else notice that there weren't any really good teammates in ME3?

Liara and Tali were fine for me. Both useful, and two of my favorite characters in the series to boot. And when I wasn't using the both of them together, there was Garrus. Three of the best, IMHO.

[Ignis Mors]

I just know that when I play ME2 I'm constantly telling my teammates to go here, use that power. But, in three, I almost never gave my teammates commands. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same problem with the squadmates in 3.

[gearseffect]

@hot_Heart ah yes the EDI outfits that were like Miranda's outfits.

@Ignis especially considering EDI was no longer Dr Core, and as such that Cerberus outfit should have been more like an Alliance outfit. Truth be told I didn't really like any of EDI's alternate outfits it made me Character sick (like homesick but only wishing and longing for the best characters including Miranda.)

And yeah I noticed there aren't really any good squadies in ME3. I didn't have any of my favorite characters on board except Garrus who's like my Sheps right hand man, his brother, who's loyality has never once wavered from Shepard.

Other than Garrus the only great ME3 squadie was IMO Javik. I had nobody, Samara, Thane, Jack, Zaeed, Grunt, Mordin, Jacob, Miranda (granted even if Miranda's personality rubbed me the wrong way I missed it and I missed having her there considering my Shep didn't fully trust her by the time ME2 was done so he didn't really ever get a chance to truely trust her in the course of ME3) , Kasumi, and Legion.

Oh also may as well mention Ashley because she was rather non-excistant once she became a squad-mate because my Shep didn't romance her in ME1.

I missed my cool squadmate the ME2 cast was the best :'(

[gearseffect]

Ignis Mors wrote...

I just know that when I play ME2 I'm constantly telling my teammates to go here, use that power. But, in three, I almost never gave my teammates commands. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same problem with the squadmates in 3.

Yep the lack of diverse powers and cool teammates resulted in Me never giving orders or anything like that. So yep I did though it could again boil down to having non of my favorite squadies and so I never gave orders like that. 

[Lilivati]

With EDI, I thought that her wearing clothes (not armor, clothes) on a mission and not on the ship was a little strange. I mean, WHY? Either clothes matter or they don't. Recycling Miranda's outfit(s) was just kinda cheap.

I don't have a problem with cleavage in video games, excepting the ones (not ME) where it's obvious the women are only there to display said cleavage. I find Samara's outfit incongruous with a woman who exudes maturity and self-discipline. A fire engine red catsuit cut down to there, complete with heels, does not embody either of those qualities from a symbolic standpoint. (Jack's outfit, conversely, fits her personality perfectly.) And yeah, I think in reality the art team just wanted to make her look sexy, but if we choose to take it as it is, wondering why Samara elects to clothe herself this way could tell us something interesting about her. Clothing is a statement to the rest of the world, sometimes a quiet one and sometimes a very loud one, but a statement none the less.

I honestly didn't spend a lot of time directing squadmate actions in any of the three games regardless of difficulty level. Too much micromanagement for my taste. I tended to pick them based on whomever that particular Shepard liked the most or felt would be the most appropriate for a given mission.

I think it's fascinating how people do get attached to certain characters though, the reasons why individuals are drawn to some and not others. I always feel like I have to tread carefully online when talking about ME squadmates, because people are so defensive of their favorites. Though that may be why this universe has such a rich fanfic and fanart community- because these characters became so real to so many people.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I don't bother with what the chars wear since ME 2. Why pick over them when obviously the designers had no intention to depict chars in a science fiction setting, they had absolutely nothing else but sexual themes in mind.

I don't manage the squad a lot except in cases when mobs start to punch in their cards. On teammates, I've little connection to the rest. Liara, Garrus and Tali are the always the ones I bring along with me.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:09 .

[Ignis Mors]

I have to agree with you there, Lilivati. If it weren't for the strong characters there probably wouldn't be so much. And, a lot of fanfics probably wouldn't have ever been written if people were satisfied with ME3. I know that if Miranda had been given really good treatment in 3 I wouldn't have started writing Meus Mundus.

[gearseffect]

@Lilivati, I full heartedly agree that Samara's cleavage was designed for more of a sex appeal aspect only in my case it didn't do it. Considering her boobs looked fake (silicone fake boobs that are just giant unmoving mounds that are hardly affect by physics) and I find nothing sexy about fake boobs (I get it I'm a very odd for a dude due to not liking fake boobs.).

Agree on EDI with the cloths and don't get me started on the ****** (which is a major WTF who would you even design that BW?).

I also like to think that Samara's outfit is more or less what all Justicar's outfit are, an issue I've gone into detail in Awaking on.

As for taking squadmates along that Shepard trusted I do that all the time and then I direct their actions. In ME1 I had three Shepards, by M2 I was just using 2 and only my main one got into ME3. And yep each time I took squadmates my Shepard trusted and also those who he felt would be of value on the missing.

For instance in ME2 on the derelict Reaper My Main Shep, took along Mordin because he trusted him and the salarian has a scientist brain it would be an invaluable experience for them to possibly learn more about the Reapers.

And he wanted to take a combatant who'd have his back but was a powerhouse too. Garrus being the dude who'd have his back to the end was an idea but Garrus is far from a powerhouse. So that Shep (and I, or whoever is in control am I in control of Shepard me or is it Shepard controlling me I'm still not sure). chose Samara, he could trust her, she's a powerhouse.

Then I order them where to take cover and who to target with what.

As for treading carefully online when talking heh I've stopped treading carefully long ago. Because of many reasons, and besides I'm always willing to hear others opinions and stand points even if we are at odds, it don't need to turn into a way due to differing opinions just respect there's as you respect yours.

But yeah people seemed to have grown very fond of this universe due to their own connections with the characters. For instance I used to never care for Morinth and hated her, her and Ronald Taylor were in their own unique group of characters that I liked nothing about. But then over on tumblr via my Shep's rp account I found a great Morinth rper and she really made me like Morinth and brought her to life in a way BW never could.

I guess what I'm saying is the way others see a character and their portrayal of them can make me suddenly care about a character.

Kaidan is the same way I don't really like him he's dull and a pretty boy (and I really don't like pretty boys). But the way others portray him I tend to find him very enjoyable and even comical.

Modifié par gearseffect, 01 janvier 2013 - 11:18 .