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[fluffywalrus]

enayasoul wrote...

Should I be flattered that another fan fic writer is using certain phrases as their own ideas without any credit to where they read it?

I sent a private message to such writer expressing this... maybe it was done unintentional but how about a nod to where they read it?

I think we talked about this topic some time ago?

I think it's totally fine to point it out. That said, it could certainly be unintentional (I say this without knowing the context, of course). I personally read a lot of mass effect fanfics, and more often than once I've stumbled on a story with portions that are quite similar to the ones I wrote, plot arcs similar to mine, etc. yet I had no knowledge of them prior, and some were written before I ever got started.

Specific phrases are a bit different, it's a bit harder to grab those up unless it's been used in a number of other fics. I probably use the odd phrase thinking it came from the game, when it came from a bunch of fic's I've read. I wouldn't be surprised or get hostile if anyone ever pointed it out, personally. I know I try my best to give credit where credit is due. Sometimes memory isn't perfect, though.

I think crediting other authors for influence and whatnot is excellent practice. It leads to a healthy fandom.
On the flip side of that coin, I think being scared of having story or character development be similar to other stories is absurd and silly. The best writers take influence from each other. Any Harry Potter fan can thank the fact that Ender's Game was created , and that Rowling used that influence to construct something in a fantasy genre.  Favoured games like Warcraft, Warhammer, D&D draw influence from Tolkien. It's all cool. I hate seeing people be scared of writing, as if having a similar idea to someone else is a crime or a bad thing. It isn't, or else all of your favourite authors and writers are bad people. I guarantee it.

Anywho, that's my take.

[enayasoul]

snipeshot224 wrote...

Just wondering but it's not mine is it? I've always been a tad bit paranoid that I might come up with a fic idea just to find out someone else came up with the exact same thing before I did.

From the user name alone, I have no idea what story you've written or published on fanfic. If it's the ideas expressed here? Nope.  What's your name on fanfic? 

[enayasoul]

@ fluffywulrus... to be specific. An exact quote was used... from Miranda talking to Shep. And another between Miranda and "Orianna"   I'll take it as flattery. Not really upset but it must have been an awesome line to take. hah!

What you wrote:  "I think crediting other authors for influence and whatnot is excellent practice. It leads to a healthy fandom." 

I totally agree.  We are here to support each other!  I know I'd want to know privately by pm if I did as well.  I also agree what we read influences our writing in some way. 

Modifié par enayasoul, 23 février 2013 - 05:10 .

[snipeshot224]

enayasoul wrote...

snipeshot224 wrote...

Just wondering but it's not mine is it? I've always been a tad bit paranoid that I might come up with a fic idea just to find out someone else came up with the exact same thing before I did.

From the user name alone, I have no idea what story you've written or published on fanfic. If it's the ideas expressed here? Nope.  What's your name on fanfic? 

I have posted fics, it's just that in terms of Mass Effect all I have is what I've said here. Name on fanfic is Brawl499, and it would be that way here too if it wasn't for my friend as explained in my first post.

[fluffywalrus]

snipeshot224 wrote...

I have posted fics, it's just that in terms of Mass Effect all I have is what I've said here. Name on fanfic is Brawl499, and it would be that way here too if it wasn't for my friend as explained in my first post.

I feel your pain (in a way). I have my username here, which I love...but it was taken on FFnet by two authors who planned on co-authoring stuff but never did (thus, locking up the account for my taking). Thus, a different name on FFnet  

enayasoul wrote...

@ fluffywalrus... to be specific. An
exact quote was used... from Miranda talking to Shep. And another
between Miranda and "Orianna"   I'll take it as flattery. Not really upset but it must have been an awesome line to take. hah!

Ah, full quotes...and misspelling character names! AUGH!
Hrm, copying a full quote isn't all that cool. I'll occasionally nab a string of words or a phrase from the odd song, but that's about it for me (and that's only if I can't phrase it differently). Never seen the point in not at least trying to make it your own. And certainly in this case, it wouuld have been good for the author to give some credit.  A while back there was a deviantart comic thing that fit perfectly for a scene of mine, so I fit part of it in, and gave credit, linking to the piece. least I can do for basically fitting existing art into my own. Just makes sense :\\

[enayasoul]

I know... I recently stumbled upon Chakwas spelled wrong. And Shepard. Heh. I have even used the Cerberus News Network ideas and paraphrased some stuff from there but I always gave credit where the idea came from in the author note at the bottom. And from an article on Mass Effect about Vancouver... We learn this stuff in school to give credit but it seems to be dropped by some because it's a fan story... It really does make sense to acknowlege the authors. 

Modifié par enayasoul, 23 février 2013 - 05:46 .

[Seracen]

I'm fairly infamous for tucking away cool ideas I liked, forgetting the source, and using them out of context randomly in my work. In such cases, I don't mind if someone calls me out and asks for recognition. As long as it is not done maliciously, or in a plagiaristic fashion, I don't see the problem with it.

However, I've been asked by others for permission to use some of my ideas.

I'm generally of this opinion: if only ideas or phrases are lifted, add me to the recognition. If you are copying whole chapters, I should probably be a co-author (and I am less likely to condone this).

Barring that, I'm open to whatever, but each other must find their own balance.

Modifié par Seracen, 24 février 2013 - 02:59 .

[enayasoul]

An update on my situation. Instead of giving me any sort of recognition or nod for being influence by my writing into his/her writing... and basically acknowledging he/she did do it without asking... has since removed those items in question and replaced them with his/her own words. He/she said if I read any other parts that were mine to let him/her know and will update it with a change. At least he/she made an effort to correct this mishap but really. Some sort nod or call out being influence by so and so story would be nice. It's clearly visible to me in some parts.

Great... I'm the editor to keep this person from not plagarising me further... hah! Right. Okay. All I can say is at least the said person was good about fixing the problem. Greatful but also hmph!

It's not the first time people copied my work... especially in college, in a recent class, the nerve of that girl submitting my work with my name clearly visible in the documentation codes of the Web site. All she did was change the colors and called it her own. Teacher made her redue the assignment... :-/

[Seracen]

enayasoul wrote...

An update on my situation. Instead of giving me any sort of recognition or nod for being influence by my writing into his/her writing... and basically acknowledging he/she did do it without asking... has since removed those items in question and replaced them with his/her own words. He/she said if I read any other parts that were mine to let him/her know and will update it with a change. At least he/she made an effort to correct this mishap but really. Some sort nod or call out being influence by so and so story would be nice. It's clearly visible to me in some parts.

Ah man, sorry to hear about the shenanigans.  Personally, I'd prefer a shout out in the author's notes.  I tend to prefer thinking well of people, so it could be that author was flustered.  Honestly, I'd send them a letter saying they can springboard off me if they credit me.

But again, each author must have their own process.  For me, until I finish my current ME novel, I am banning myself from reading others' ME works.  As it stands, I already fear a few points in my novel will be affected by some of my fave authors, and I don't need that in my headspace (prefering to write with impunity whatever I feel).

Best of luck! 

[YurigirlzCrush]

hello. I was here asking questions months ago about writing and I was planning on doing my own fanfic, and then school took over my life and it all got shoved on the back burner. this is actually the first time i've even signed on to bsn in months. but now that i'm starting to toy with my story ideas again, I came up with a question.

the games mentioned that there are screenings and in utero treatments for genetic disorders. does that mean it would be likely that certain conditions like bipolar disorder and OCD would be pretty much gone in the ME universe?

[Ignis Mors]

YurigirlzCrush wrote...

hello. I was here asking questions months ago about writing and I was planning on doing my own fanfic, and then school took over my life and it all got shoved on the back burner. this is actually the first time i've even signed on to bsn in months. but now that i'm starting to toy with my story ideas again, I came up with a question.

the games mentioned that there are screenings and in utero treatments for genetic disorders. does that mean it would be likely that certain conditions like bipolar disorder and OCD would be pretty much gone in the ME universe?

It would make sense that they'd gotten rid of that stuff. It seems like they've gotten rid of most every other genetic problems people have in the ME universe.

[nrobbiec]

While I'm taking a short hiatus from my if because on depending on how certain things are handled/who appears in Citadel it could mess with a couple of my scenes, I do have a question, how big is EDI exactly, is that entire AI core her or could parts of it be separated (her personality from Normandy systems/cyberwarefare thingy) or do I have freedom here to just technobabble in whatever?

[AustereLemur799]

Sorry to digress from the current topic, but I was wondering which source you guys would go with. I've got a scene with Admiral Mikhailovich (who inspects the Normandy) in ME1. I guess it's not really end-of-the-world stuff but the ME3 in-game codex states his first name as Boris whereas an Alliance News Network report calls him Peter. Which source would you go with?

Thanks in advance

[MrStoob]

Ignis Mors wrote...

YurigirlzCrush wrote...

hello. I was here asking questions months ago about writing and I was planning on doing my own fanfic, and then school took over my life and it all got shoved on the back burner. this is actually the first time i've even signed on to bsn in months. but now that i'm starting to toy with my story ideas again, I came up with a question.

the games mentioned that there are screenings and in utero treatments for genetic disorders. does that mean it would be likely that certain conditions like bipolar disorder and OCD would be pretty much gone in the ME universe?

It would make sense that they'd gotten rid of that stuff. It seems like they've gotten rid of most every other genetic problems people have in the ME universe.

Hmm, can psychological 'problems' be identified so easily?  I'm not so sure.

[AustereLemur799]

MrStoob wrote...

Ignis Mors wrote...

YurigirlzCrush wrote...

hello. I was here asking questions months ago about writing and I was planning on doing my own fanfic, and then school took over my life and it all got shoved on the back burner. this is actually the first time i've even signed on to bsn in months. but now that i'm starting to toy with my story ideas again, I came up with a question.

the games mentioned that there are screenings and in utero treatments for genetic disorders. does that mean it would be likely that certain conditions like bipolar disorder and OCD would be pretty much gone in the ME universe?

It would make sense that they'd gotten rid of that stuff. It seems like they've gotten rid of most every other genetic problems people have in the ME universe.

Hmm, can psychological 'problems' be identified so easily?  I'm not so sure.

Sounds like a nature vs nurture argument.

Let's just say that nature comes from genetics - that gives you a predisposition to certain things. But nurture and being exposed to the general world also has an effect.

In short, I don't think you can ever truly dispose of these traits.

[Seracen]

@ YurigirlzCrush: I reiterate the nature vs nurture argument presented already. I can see many chemical imbalances being addressed, but non-spontaneous events, such as PTSD, would still be something to deal with. I don't really ascribe to the "wonder drug" ideology. It's more interesting, and likely, that all technology did was allow us to have the same problems on a grander scale.

@ nrobbiec: I get the feeling that her AI core is the size of a server room. I think I got this from the Halo (or similar) novels, but the separation of the AI from the rest of the body would result in reduced mental acuity, not a shutting down of all processes. One could compare this to forgetting higher math, losing language skills from disuse, or even forgetting memories no longer deemed "important" by your subconscious. In extreme cases, one could argue that the result would be psychoses (Rampancy, if you refer to Halo).

@ AustereLemur799: I'd check the ME wiki page, and go with that. If the wiki is inconclusive, I'd go with the Codex, as that's more easily referenced than some random statement on ANN.

[MrStoob]

AustereLemur799 wrote...
Sounds like a nature vs nurture argument.

With the likes of OCD, I'd say certainly so.

[Lilivati]

Hey all! Been awhile

I have a question for the asari experts. Is there any established canon (either official or general assumptions made by most writers of asari-themed stories) that goes into detail on asari religion or similar beliefs? I haven't been able to find much aside from "used to be polytheistic, currently monotheistic with different goddesses perhaps representing different schools of philosophical thought" and of course the prothean stuff from ME3 that isn't really relevant to an ME1 fic. I've got a few things coming up where the subject might arise and would like to be "accurate" if the information exists. Otherwise I'll just make some stuff up that makes sense to me. XD

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I was working on a post-ME3 FF piece for some time now but I just deleted it a little while ago.

For one, I have little available time to work on it. For two, I lost my "rhythm" of writing it entirely. I went on vacation out-of-country and that removed me from it for a solid month, and now writing for it just feels like revisiting ancient work. And three, I've sort of changed my mind on some things I imagine/want to see happening, but it will contradict what I've already published at this point -- so the story needs a revamp.

I may restart and try it again later, though. The setting I've imagined still inspires me to write. I just need to start fresh. Also, I'm going back to AO3.org to write it. FF.net is good and fine, I just feel a bit more "at home" with AO3 for some reason.


*shakes the etch-a-sketch*

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 25 février 2013 - 05:46 .

[hot_heart]

Gah, looks like the Citadel DLC might involve a Blasto film. Was considering 'using' that in one of my chapters.

[Tairis Deamhan]

enayasoul wrote...


Great... I'm the editor to keep this person from not plagarising me further... hah! Right. Okay. All I can say is at least the said person was good about fixing the problem. Greatful but also hmph!

It's not the first time people copied my work... especially in college, in a recent class, the nerve of that girl submitting my work with my name clearly visible in the documentation codes of the Web site. All she did was change the colors and called it her own. Teacher made her redue the assignment... :-/

Your teacher should have put a written documentation of her plagerism into her record so that when she does it again she's expelled.

Thankfully I've seen a few quarian phrases I've invented used in other works such as "hesh'alan/hesh'la" but they've always been credited somehow (even if it was one guy crediting the first guy that credited me when he used it lol)

[fluffywalrus]

hot_heart wrote...

Gah, looks like the Citadel DLC might involve a Blasto film. Was considering 'using' that in one of my chapters.

You still can! I've made up a bunch of Blasto film titles that technically don't exist in canon. Just do it anyway!

On a side note, that DLC went from possible to required for me, if the blasto film bit is true.

[hot_heart]

Heh, just staking my claim in case anyone thinks I threw it in because of that.

The news came from the multiplayer preview stream. After people kept asking about a playable hanar and Blasto, one of the devs said something like, "For those of you asking about Blasto, pay attention to the Citadel. That's all I can say." Cue much speculation.

On another note, rereading some of my earlier chapters to see if I'm 'missing' something. Except I went to the start. Agh, these are not good.

Modifié par hot_heart, 25 février 2013 - 08:44 .

[Ursakar]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Sorry to digress from the current topic, but I was wondering which source you guys would go with. I've got a scene with Admiral Mikhailovich (who inspects the Normandy) in ME1. I guess it's not really end-of-the-world stuff but the ME3 in-game codex states his first name as Boris whereas an Alliance News Network report calls him Peter. Which source would you go with?

Thanks in advance

Because I've started writing my fic before ME3, in my story he is Alexander.

[fluffywalrus]

Tairis Deamhan wrote...

Thankfully I've seen a few quarian phrases I've invented used in other works such as "hesh'alan/hesh'la" but they've always been credited somehow (even if it was one guy crediting the first guy that credited me when he used it lol)

Hrm. I've seen hesh'nealan around before on a Tali fic I read,  "The Knife and the Turncoat". I suppose that's one of them?