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[nrobbiec]

Ok, so given all the abilities Kaidan learns across the trilogy, and a couple others which just make sense as hot_heart said with the throw and pull thing. Could Kaidan learn warp and singularity given enough practice?

The purpose of this is that when I've finished "A Time to..." I'm planning on doing a Spectre Alenko spin-off series and wondering about how I can develop Kaidan's character in terms of biotic abilities.

[hot_heart]

fainmaca wrote...
Good news, dpMeggers! I finished the first chapter of the fic you gave me the idea for. Its only sitting at 3k words just now, but I have 2 more chapters planned, which I will do soon!
Link

Left a review. I like it!

nrobbiec wrote...
Could Kaidan learn warp and singularity given enough practice?

I don't see why not.

I can't say I know much about Kaidan and his existing powers, but I know that he always held back with his biotics for fear of hurting someone. If you wanted to link that to character development, perhaps he'd train in those sorts of powers (which seem a little more 'destructive', like reave) when he's learned that you have to give it your all, especially when you're a Spectre. And if your tech fails (like I had for Miranda, another sentinel), they can get you out of a pinch.

I could just be talking nonsense there though.

Modifié par hot_heart, 12 mars 2013 - 10:53 .

[nrobbiec]

hot_heart wrote...

I don't see why not.

I can't say I know much about Kaidan and his existing powers, but I know that he always held back with his biotics for fear of hurting someone. If you wanted to link that to character development, perhaps he'd train in those sorts of powers (which seem a little more 'destructive', like reave) when he's learned that you have to give it your all, especially when you're a Spectre. And if your tech fails (like I had for Miranda, another sentinel), they can get you out of a pinch.

I could just be talking nonsense there though.

Well he's seen with throw, lift, barrier, stasis and reave. Pull and slam seem logical since they're practically the same thing just in a different direction.
I just wanted to check if biotics could learn biotic abilities without needing to be a different type of biotic. If it's all fair game for a strong, practicing biotic then that gives me a lot of fodder to play with.
Of course training new abilites gives me chances to bring back other characters too.

Modifié par nrobbiec, 12 mars 2013 - 11:06 .

[hot_heart]

nrobbiec wrote...
I just wanted to check if biotics could learn biotic abilities without needing to be a different type of biotic. If it's all fair game for a strong, practicing biotic then that gives me a lot of fodder to play with.

I don't think there are different types of biotic users beyond whatever implants or amps they're using, just different ways to manipulate dark energy. It's a matter of learning how, and it seems Kaidan has some experience with all three 'styles'.

A question of my own: how would Dr. Chakwas address Miranda? Memory seems to tell me she refers to her by name (or perhaps Operator/Operative Lawson like EDI?) when speaking with Shepard, but I feel she might call her 'Ms. Lawson'. Especially since she's giving her a bit of admonishment in this chapter.

Modifié par hot_heart, 12 mars 2013 - 11:44 .

[dpMeggers]

fainmaca wrote...

Good news, dpMeggers! I finished the first chapter of the fic you gave me the idea for. Its only sitting at 3k words just now, but I have 2 more chapters planned, which I will do soon!

Link

Omigosh I prompted a story! That's...sort of really awesome. Thanks, I'll go check it out.

hot_heart wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...
I just wanted to check if biotics could learn biotic abilities without needing to be a different type of biotic. If it's all fair game for a strong, practicing biotic then that gives me a lot of fodder to play with.

I don't think there are different types of biotic users beyond whatever implants or amps they're using, just different ways to manipulate dark energy. It's a matter of learning how, and it seems Kaidan has some experience with all three 'styles'.

A question of my own: how would Dr. Chakwas address Miranda? Memory seems to tell me she refers to her by name (or perhaps Operator/Operative Lawson like EDI?) when speaking with Shepard, but I feel she might call her 'Ms. Lawson'. Especially since she's giving her a bit of admonishment in this chapter. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I don't know that Kaidan would ever learn singularity because it doesnt really seem to be his style, but that's more my opinion than him not being able to.

Before the Omega-4 Chakwas would call her Ms. Lawson, I think after Omega-4 she might call her Miranda in more relaxed settings. If she's telling her off, however, Chakwas would definitely call her Ms. Lawson in the same way that parents call children by their middle names.

[Progman Omega]

nrobbiec wrote...
 Could Kaidan learn warp and singularity given enough practice?
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The very nature of biotics training is completley based around two things.  
1.) Creating high-mass fields
2.) Creating low-mass fields.

Basically, that's throw and pull, and those are your building blocks for all biotics.  Bread and butter, if you will. Therefore, every biotic that knows anything more advanced than that, automatically has to know how to throw/pull/lift.

Warp is the next step, as it literally combines them both at the same time.  It's relativley basic compared to other techiniques, and I'd think that biotics in the military that actually serve as biotics would know it.  Just because Kaidan doesn't have throw/pull/warp, doesn't mean he doesn't know it.  That's gameplay.  I'd say Reave was gameplay too, but...they made a joke about it in the [REDACTED].

After that, it depends on their inherent strength, amp and implant.  Although the amplifier shouldn't enhance one's ability to learn a more complex techinique if you can't use it without the extra boost.  Amps just make the technique stronger/more efficient.  It all comes down to raw power and complexity.  For the following list, keep in mind that BioticShepard is NOT a good scale for anything ever.  She's more powerful than an L2 when she's an L3, and stronger than that as L5.  Disregard her entirely.

Side note:  It is possible for a biotic to learn the mechanics behind a technique, but not have the necesssary power to perform it.  Just saying.

L2s: All techniques possible, though some of the later MP (N7 classes, Asari) ones are iffy lore-wise.  Up to you.
L3s: Probably cannot learn Singularity, Stasis, Reave, Dark Channel, Flare
L5s: Best guess?  Same as L2, but optimized for a certain technique (L5n is charge, L5x is singularity)
Asari: All biotics
Cabal: Tricky.  Codex says compareable to L3s, but then we get to MP >_<.  I'm gonna ignore that for my sanity.
Batarian: For the sake of balance, L3s
Volus: NOPE

Reave is probably the trickiest SP canon power around, since it directly targets the nervous system of the target. Only Samara had it in ME2, and she's had centuries to become the biotic she is.  Reave is the type of technique that the asari had to have invented, and I really can't imagine them letting that out too easily.  It's also possible that they thought it so advanced that no other race could master it...until superspecialhumans came along.  If Kaidan can learn it, it's probably because he's just that good.  

Now as to how in the hell he learned it, that's something you'd have to ask him.  I have no idea.  Can't imagine BaAT or the SA would train for something like that.  At least, not initially.  BaAT used turian mercs, and it wasn't until 2170 that the SA actually started training biotics themselves.  So any techniques they had then would have to be on the simpler side, though I'm positive as time went that they learned how to teach more complex stuff.  Charge and Nova are natural extensions of the relays and kinetic barriers, so those the SA could have just thought up without the asari's help.

Modifié par Progman Omega, 13 mars 2013 - 02:44 .

[goose2989]

Hello everyone!


I've been on the Social Forums for quite some time, but I don't think I've ever looked at any section besides the Story and Campaign section for Mass Effect 2 and 3. This is the first time I've looked over the Fan Creations section, and I'm dissappointed that I haven't looked before; it's much more interesting than I thought it would be.

Going back to the reason I'm here, I would like some extra objectivity to a Fan Fiction story I've been writing for well over a year now. I feel it's been moderately successful, based off review and favorited numbers, but I want to improve it. Seeing as how many people in this section of the forums are veterans of the Fan Fiction idea, I'd love additional criticism of the story. 

I've posted a link to the story below, and any useful criticism is welcome; I'd prefer not to have any Zoidberg-esque "Your story's bad and you should feel bad!" comments, but if you really feel it's necessary, than by all means, say so. 

If anyone has a question regarding it, please don't hesitate to ask me. 

Thanks!


http://www.fanfictio...nd-Forgiveness 

Modifié par goose2989, 13 mars 2013 - 03:17 .

[dpMeggers]

Hi goose! Welcome

Your request is legitimate and you should feel...legitimate? (did not think that one through)

I'm sort of catching up on a backlog of reading right now, but I'd be happy to give your story a looksee depending on its length (I may only get through 5-10 chapters or so at first). Also my comments are usually of a less than constructive nature. I mainly point out things I like, or things I think worked well. However given that you've asked, I'll make an effort to be more...discriminating?

[goose2989]

dpMeggers wrote...

Hi goose! Welcome

Your request is legitimate and you should feel...legitimate? (did not think that one through)

I'm sort of catching up on a backlog of reading right now, but I'd be happy to give your story a looksee depending on its length (I may only get through 5-10 chapters or so at first). Also my comments are usually of a less than constructive nature. I mainly point out things I like, or things I think worked well. However given that you've asked, I'll make an effort to be more...discriminating?

Thanks, good buddy! The more recent chapters are actually more important to me; I've been writing this story for well over a year, and everything I've learned in that time is being applied as I go along. Early chapters may feel noticeably different. 

[Legion of 1337]

Just in case mine gets bumped off the front page, here:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/368/index/16251236

It's a total rewrite of Mass Effect 2 with a plot that hopefully makes more sense and is relevant to the overall story arc. I'm looking for reviews, if anyone wants to read the whole bloody thing.

Modifié par Legion of 1337, 13 mars 2013 - 03:13 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Progman Omega wrote...

Reave is probably the trickiest SP canon power around, since it directly targets the nervous system of the target. Only Samara had it in ME2, and she's had centuries to become the biotic she is.  Reave is the type of technique that the asari had to have invented, and I really can't imagine them letting that out too easily.  It's also possible that they thought it so advanced that no other race could master it...until superspecialhumans came along.  If Kaidan can learn it, it's probably because he's just that good.  

Now as to how in the hell he learned it, that's something you'd have to ask him.  I have no idea.  Can't imagine BaAT or the SA would train for something like that.  At least, not initially.  BaAT used turian mercs, and it wasn't until 2170 that the SA actually started training biotics themselves.  So any techniques they had then would have to be on the simpler side, though I'm positive as time went that they learned how to teach more complex stuff.  Charge and Nova are natural extensions of the relays and kinetic barriers, so those the SA could have just thought up without the asari's help.

I agree with the surmise that Reave would be a specialised technique among the Asari (Biotic Supremes ). In fact, I heartily like this notion. So for Kaidan to have it, I just put it down to nothing else than the necessary mixture of biotics (game mechanics, whatever) among the squad (after all Samara was not available). I doubt the writers/devs gave much thought why humans would have it, they pretty much messed up the lore in ME 3 and the novel.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 13 mars 2013 - 03:10 .

[goose2989]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Just in case mine gets bumped off the front page, here:

http://social.biowar.../index/16251236

It's a total rewrite of Mass Effect 2 with a plot that hopefully makes more sense and is relevant to the overall story arc. I'm looking for reviews, if anyone wants to read the whole bloody thing.

Give me close to an hour to read the whole damn thing, and I'll get back to you, buddy.

[Legion of 1337]

goose2989 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Just in case mine gets bumped off the front page, here:

http://social.biowar.../index/16251236

It's a total rewrite of Mass Effect 2 with a plot that hopefully makes more sense and is relevant to the overall story arc. I'm looking for reviews, if anyone wants to read the whole bloody thing.

Give me close to an hour to read the whole damn thing, and I'll get back to you, buddy.

Someone with patience. I'm shocked.

Unless you're being sarcastic.

[goose2989]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Just in case mine gets bumped off the front page, here:

http://social.biowar.../index/16251236

It's a total rewrite of Mass Effect 2 with a plot that hopefully makes more sense and is relevant to the overall story arc. I'm looking for reviews, if anyone wants to read the whole bloody thing.

Give me close to an hour to read the whole damn thing, and I'll get back to you, buddy.

Someone with patience. I'm shocked.

Unless you're being sarcastic.

Nope, I'm being serious. Give me a bit, and I'll give you my thoughts. From what I've skimmed through, I like it; I'm usually against FF that changes things drastically, but this isn't ridiculous, at least. I like the premise so far

[Seracen]

hot_heart wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...
I just wanted to check if biotics could learn biotic abilities without needing to be a different type of biotic. If it's all fair game for a strong, practicing biotic then that gives me a lot of fodder to play with.

I don't think there are different types of biotic users beyond whatever implants or amps they're using, just different ways to manipulate dark energy. It's a matter of learning how, and it seems Kaidan has some experience with all three 'styles'.

A question of my own: how would Dr. Chakwas address Miranda? Memory seems to tell me she refers to her by name (or perhaps Operator/Operative Lawson like EDI?) when speaking with Shepard, but I feel she might call her 'Ms. Lawson'. Especially since she's giving her a bit of admonishment in this chapter.

I agree, pretty much everyone calls her "Ms Lawson" with the exception of a few squaddies.

Let's see...

Miranda (Shep, Jacob, Joker), Cheerleader (Jack, also 'B**ch'), Miri/Randa (Orianna)...yeah, the rest call her 'Ms. Lawson...'

[Progman Omega]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Progman Omega wrote...

Reave is probably the trickiest SP canon power around, since it directly targets the nervous system of the target. Only Samara had it in ME2, and she's had centuries to become the biotic she is.  Reave is the type of technique that the asari had to have invented, and I really can't imagine them letting that out too easily.  It's also possible that they thought it so advanced that no other race could master it...until superspecialhumans came along.  If Kaidan can learn it, it's probably because he's just that good.  

Now as to how in the hell he learned it, that's something you'd have to ask him.  I have no idea.  Can't imagine BaAT or the SA would train for something like that.  At least, not initially.  BaAT used turian mercs, and it wasn't until 2170 that the SA actually started training biotics themselves.  So any techniques they had then would have to be on the simpler side, though I'm positive as time went that they learned how to teach more complex stuff.  Charge and Nova are natural extensions of the relays and kinetic barriers, so those the SA could have just thought up without the asari's help.

I agree with the surmise that Reave would be a specialised technique among the Asari (Biotic Supremes ). In fact, I heartily like this notion. So for Kaidan to have it, I just put it down to nothing else than the necessary mixture of biotics (game mechanics, whatever) among the squad (after all Samara was not available). I doubt the writers/devs gave much thought why humans would have it, they pretty much messed up the lore in ME 3 and the novel.

Actually, they kind of noticed.

SPOILERS

In the Loud Party of the Citadel DLC, Kaidan comments about this during the biotics argument.

K:"Hey!  I've worked very hard.  I can even Reave now!"
J:"Yeah--wait, that doesn't seem right."
L:"Tha'ts...very strange."

So both Jacob and Liara are baffled at how he managed that.  Which was really funny.

END SPOILERS

So yeah, probably just gameplay. Same with NonBioticShepard using Reave as a bonus power.

[Seracen]

So, I've been putting a nice dent in my ME fic. I need opinions on a name, if any are willing. :happy:

I've created a new Reaper enemy type. It's basically 3-5 Vorcha slammed together (much like the Scions in ME2). It's as tall as a Brute, more slim & muscular, with bony armor all around.  If any of you played Gears of War, I suppose it kind of looks like those huge, blind, Berserkers.

It also has angry eyes (red glow with a golden pallor), and an omnitool in either arm.  The idea here is that they'd have shields, claws, armor, and flamethrowers out of either fist.


So, I need Vorcha Reaper Names...

Current ideas: Berserker, Behemoth (I liked Abomination, but it's taken)

Basically going for something that sounds like a hulking, unholy, Frankenstein's monster.


Also a bit of lore checking...is it acceptable to call husks, and all the derivations, "Reapers?" Or is this something that should only be reserved for the giant space squids?

My question here being that in a post ME3 world, where the Reapers are all dead, but husks survive, would it be confusing to call the surviving forces "Reapers?"  So far, I am alternating between "Remnant," "Fallen," and "Reaper."

Modifié par Seracen, 13 mars 2013 - 06:38 .

[dpMeggers]

Berzerkers. Gross. I hated those b*****es. Actually the grubs in general were pretty fugly.

Names for your newly constructed freak thing: what kind of movements does it make? Is it more of a lurch or a thrashing motion? does it make that sort of groaning noise Frankenstein's monster makes? Do they do anything interesting? Have a sort of slashing attack maybe? Do they attack in groups or alone?

Suggestions: Lurcher, Slasher,

Anyway.

In terms of the lore (taken from the codex) only the giant space squids and their slightly less giant groundwalking counterparts (like the ones on Tuchanka and Rannoch) are Reapers. Everything else is apparently a Husk variant. Which is pretty human-centric if you ask me. Then again the codex was written from a human perspective and this cycle Husks were the first Reaperized organics encountered. So I guess if the Reapers were dead and the husks were still kicking they'd be called Husks? Remnants wouldn't be so bad either.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

For my fic, the Reapers were dead but the husks remained. However, they were inert, unable to function since their masters were dead. The survivors gathered/destroyed them. I'm generally taking what Vigil had said about the husks in ME 1 and mostly ignoring certain events in ME 3.

[fainmaca]

Hmm. Want to do some writing tonight, but I can't decide what. I have:

Into The Unknown, my main fic of almost a million words telling the story of ME3 as it should have been.
Resistance, a sort of ancillary comic-style story padding out a couple of character who will come into the main story soon. Also has a cameo by miracle of sound's Gavin in it.
Ink, a story exploring the tales behind some of Jack's tattoos.
Echoes, a story showing what happens if Shep dies in ME2.
Signing Up, the story of how Shepard's crew was assembled before he woke up.

Thoughts?

[hot_heart]

The one with the most Miranda. /bias

[dpMeggers]

hot_heart wrote...

The one with the most Miranda. /bias

Signing Up fo' sure. (Who me? Biased? Never :innocent:)

[Seracen]

dpMeggers wrote...

Berzerkers. Gross. I hated those b*****es. Actually the grubs in general were pretty fugly.

Names for your newly constructed freak thing: what kind of movements does it make? Is it more of a lurch or a thrashing motion? does it make that sort of groaning noise Frankenstein's monster makes? Do they do anything interesting? Have a sort of slashing attack maybe? Do they attack in groups or alone?

Suggestions: Lurcher, Slasher,

Anyway.

In terms of the lore (taken from the codex) only the giant space squids and their slightly less giant groundwalking counterparts (like the ones on Tuchanka and Rannoch) are Reapers. Everything else is apparently a Husk variant. Which is pretty human-centric if you ask me. Then again the codex was written from a human perspective and this cycle Husks were the first Reaperized organics encountered. So I guess if the Reapers were dead and the husks were still kicking they'd be called Husks? Remnants wouldn't be so bad either.

It's more of a Thrasher, pretty much steamrolls around like the Hulk, then slashes when it falls into a rage.  They are pretty much meant to go solo, altho on occasion I will pair them up.  For truly annoying enemies, or something more elusive/resilient, the beasts use the flamethrowers.

There aren't many of the things, as I have a limitation for how they are created (involves overcoming the regenerative properties of a Vorcha with certain artifacts).

Suppose I'll stick with Berserker for now, as your reaction was PRICELESS! 

To you and to Gryphon, thanks for the lore checking, I'll continue to use "Husk" and "Remnant."

Modifié par Seracen, 13 mars 2013 - 09:18 .

[dpMeggers]

Actually, I think I prefer Thrasher now you've mentioned. It's kind of...awesome? In my mind Brutes are already kind of berserkery. But they're both pretty clear on what's going to happen when you face the thing.

Anyone who has played GoW (especially the first) should have that same reaction to the word 'Berserker'. They SUCK!!!

[hot_heart]

Seracen wrote...
I've created a new Reaper enemy type. It's basically 3-5 Vorcha slammed together (much like the Scions in ME2). It's as tall as a Brute, more slim & muscular, with bony armor all around.  If any of you played Gears of War, I suppose it kind of looks like those huge, blind, Berserkers.

It also has angry eyes (red glow with a golden pallor), and an omnitool in either arm.  The idea here is that they'd have shields, claws, armor, and flamethrowers out of either fist.


So, I need Vorcha Reaper Names...

Current ideas: Berserker, Behemoth (I liked Abomination, but it's taken)

Basically going for something that sounds like a hulking, unholy, Frankenstein's monster.

Inferno, diablo, slasher, thumper, stomper, rampager, savage, hellion.

Just throwing them out there.