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[Fatiguesdualism]

@AustereLemur799 - I'm enjoying Regress so nyah!  You are not a terrible writer by any conceivable stretch of the imagination (well MAYBE if the universe suddenly imploded into a new Big Bang AND then BILLIONS of years later a new version of humanity re-evolved into a race of giant flying giraffes with a crippling phobia of heights, thus spending all their time with the heads buried underground speaking in backwards French to one another AND THEN Cthulu awoke removed the letter 'e' from existence and forced everyone to speak in English --now know as Nglish sorry Hsilgn --MAYBE then.  If all that happens --I'll have to get back to you). 

The above is why I have an aversion to doing reviews, I have a crippling tendency towards gushy!  Speaking of which, thank you hot_heart and Seracen for your advice.  As soon as I finish my current chapter I'm going to go practice review.  (Practice review, --sigh)

@MrStoob - just so you know I'm going to have THAT tune stuck in my head for hours now.  Curse you MrStoob!

 (Dum Dee Dum Dum ... Dum Dum, Dum) 

Modifié par Fatiguesdualism, 04 juillet 2013 - 02:10 .

[MrStoob]

Fatiguesdualism wrote...

*snip*

 (Dum Dee Dum Dum ... Dum Dum, Dum) 

Are you musical?  Very good rendition.  I like the comma for syncopation.  lol

[Seracen]

So, question to the group. How do you get into the mood to write something epic and emotionally stirring?

I know my first few drafts of the chapters are going to need severe tweaking. I am once again falling to my old standby...

Listening to certain kinds of music while day dreaming the scenes in my head.

The trick is getting all that inspiration down on paper once you're done. Then I have to convince myself that the hour of "prep work" for a few chapters was worth it!

[Chaoswind]

AMV

Music of epic proportions

Real events

[MrStoob]

Personally, Seracen, I try to put myself in the character's shoes or the scene's 'feeling'. Usually it takes a few re-writes but after spend time really tweaking the words they are using, or the descriptions I'm using, I find it gets across the 'emotion' of the scene. I don't mind admitting that sometimes, when I'm deeply in the moment, I can get a bit misty eyed, but that helps I think. But yea, as you say, lots of tweaking until the piece 'emotes' what you want.

My fondest feedback was from a random BSN who asked if I wrote 'Blue'. I said I did and he pm'd back saying he'd enjoyed and said, "I was in tears at a few points." I was like:
https://encrypted-tb...C0O4ifn9mPVsW8g

lol

Conversely, I hate music when writing, or anything that distracts from what I'm specifically trying to get across.

Modifié par MrStoob, 05 juillet 2013 - 02:15 .

[Seracen]

Hahaha, I completely understand. As far as the music is concerned for me, it can't have any lyrics.

On the subject of reader emotions, some of my fave reactions came from my FF7 fic. I remember one of my betas punching me in the shoulder after getting to a certain point, then reading the final chapter and going "OH...that's much better!"

I already remarked as to the other reaction earlier, but it more or less played out the same way. I did get one piece of hatemail from that fic, which I took as a positive, because clearly the reader was invested enough to put that much emotion into his letter.

But yeah, there are certain scenes which hinge on emotional manipulation, so I've been going over those scenes with a fine tooth comb and sending multiple copies to my beta reader.

[MrStoob]

I've mentioned before I think, but I did a piece once, which was, if I'm honest, a troll work. lol

During the dark time of BSN (what? it's over?) when some of the 'mancers were calling Liara out for being a weird stalking mind-rapist or something and wished they could have had Shep tell her to bugger off, I did a piece where I specifically set out to annoy anyone who thought like that and in it set out the possible repercussions of such an act.  I even named it 'Careful what you wish for'.  And lo, within a day, someone raged on the review board, Saying '**** Liara' and all that.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the image above.

"With great power comes..." etc. lol

Modifié par MrStoob, 05 juillet 2013 - 06:18 .

[hot_heart]

I usually feel like my writing is best when done to stuff like REM, Idlewild or Snow Patrol. I'm guessing because they're not overly-aggressive (latter day Idlewild, I mean) and I can easily tune it out since it's so familiar.

Besides some of the ME stuff, if I want really stirring music, I think the theme from X-Men: First Class is phenomenal (I've listened to it an embarrassing amount of times). Plus, One Final Effort from Halo 3 is great. I really like the Man of Steel theme too, even if the actual film is incredibly lacklustre by comparison.

[MrStoob]

One liner of the day:

"If there was an Olympics for pessimism, I wouldn't fancy me chances."

[Progman Omega]

 @MrStoob.
Every time I see your sig, I think of this scene.  

Sorry for low quality, but...ok, that scene is just NOT on the internet.  Which is just not cool.

President Whitmore's (Bill Pullman) speech was, though.

[MrStoob]

Hehe, I can't claim that one. I appropriated it of a fellow forumite from a guitar forum I used to frequent.

[MrStoob]

Well this could do with a bump anyway...

Been having fun with Ashley recently (nooo, not like that...). She's not with the crew at the mo, she's just with her adoptive asari daughter back with the fleet and having some difficulties of her own (ofc) and it's been nice to just write her thoughts and feelings, without Shep/Liara's influence (girl squad!) or that kind of silliness. I've oft played with the 'old maid left on the shelf' aspect with Ash (her words, she's old fashioned that way) but she does seek comfort like everyone else so it's a bit sad for her sometimes lol.

Anyhoo, waffle enough for a bump.

[Redbelle]

MrStoob wrote...

Fatiguesdualism wrote...

*snip*

 (Dum Dee Dum Dum ... Dum Dum, Dum) 

Are you musical?  Very good rendition.  I like the comma for syncopation.  lol

The Archer's theme tune?

[CaptainDope]

Allow me to show you all something I just finished. My FemShep & Liara oneshot. It's about 2900 words long. Feel free to submit a review on fanfiction.net

http://www.fanfictio...den-in-darkness

During the events of Mass Effect 3, Liara has become ill and goes to rest inside her office on board the Normandy. Shepard, however, suspects Liara may be hiding something. She goes to Liara's office, and learns something that will change her relationship with Liara forever. (FemShep/Liara romance. Angst, romance, comfort.

Modifié par CaptainDope, 07 juillet 2013 - 09:43 .

[Seracen]

CaptainDope wrote...

Allow me to show you all something I just finished. My FemShep & Liara oneshot. It's about 2900 words long. Feel free to submit a review on fanfiction.net

http://www.fanfictio...den-in-darkness

During the events of Mass Effect 3, Liara has become ill and goes to rest inside her office on board the Normandy. Shepard, however, suspects Liara may be hiding something. She goes to Liara's office, and learns something that will change her relationship with Liara forever. (FemShep/Liara romance. Angst, romance, comfort.

Congrats on the finish!  You should post it up on the sticky as well.  Look forward to reading some of these amazing stories soon!

[MrStoob]

Redbelle wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Fatiguesdualism wrote...

*snip*

 (Dum Dee Dum Dum ... Dum Dum, Dum) 

Are you musical?  Very good rendition.  I like the comma for syncopation.  lol

The Archer's theme tune?

Hm, I can see that, but no, the A Team 

[MrStoob]

CaptainDope wrote...

Allow me to show you all something I just finished. My FemShep & Liara oneshot. It's about 2900 words long. Feel free to submit a review on fanfiction.net

http://www.fanfictio...den-in-darkness

During the events of Mass Effect 3, Liara has become ill and goes to rest inside her office on board the Normandy. Shepard, however, suspects Liara may be hiding something. She goes to Liara's office, and learns something that will change her relationship with Liara forever. (FemShep/Liara romance. Angst, romance, comfort.

Nice.  Left a 'review'.

In other news...

I'm really fighting the urge to push a potential relationship lol.  It would do little for the story but would be nice to write I think, as it would be more gentle and less emotional declarations or whatever.  Where the story is right now, and where the two chars are, I can see it happening but... I dunno.  I did mention it a few pages back but... Wiliams/Hackett.  He's always been alone and here's this handsome woman, fretting over the potentially losing custody of her daughter (don't ask... lol) and losing it a bit, and he'd quite like to, you know, have the family he thought he couldn't because of duty.  And Ash is dealing with some loss of her own and thinking about her daughter's future, and what future she can offer as a Spectre/Commander risking life and limb on a daily basis, potentially endangering her life.  So yea, two duty-bound soldiers looking for some comfort in life.  It could work...  Might have no bearing whatsoever on the overall tale but you know, fluff is fun!

Anyhoo, my thoughts for today. 

[Fatiguesdualism]

Redbelle wrote...

*snip*

The Archer's theme tune?

 (Dum Dee-Dee Dee-Dee Dee-Doh.  Dum Dee-Dee Dee-Dee, Dum)

For the sake of decency and taste (also for the shreds of my sanity) that'll be the last of that! 

@MrStoob - Williams/Hackett, I could see that pairing working in a relaxed, low-drama, relationship (especially if Ash has a daughter, looking for stability etc.  Sorry I'm still in catch-up mode with Blue!).  Though to be honest I would say it sound's more like a back-burner relationship, maybe have the two of them spend some time together (a dedicated chapter or one-shot perhaps?) showing them at the start.  Then later come back to it? (or not)

Simply the idea's good, but I think it needs to develop 'in isolation' before you let Shepard et al near it.

Modifié par Fatiguesdualism, 08 juillet 2013 - 12:19 .

[MrStoob]

Indeed. As I said above, my 'vision' so far is a much more gentle affair than the tension and drama of the usual pairings, like they might slowly drift towards one another, without really noticing themselves.

The idea came off the back of a scene I did where Ash is being de-briefed by Hackett about the Normandy's activities during the battle for Sol. Reading it back, I thought, "Hmm. Have I created subtext here without realising...?"

It'd be lame if it just ends up one of them just saying, "You know what? I think I love you!", a lot more needs to be left unsaid with this type of thing, with these two characters.

Edit:

Am I writing sci-fi or a ****ing daytime TV soap?!  *has words with self*

Modifié par MrStoob, 08 juillet 2013 - 02:19 .

[Fatiguesdualism]

MrStoob wrote...

*snip*

Edit:

Am I writing sci-fi or a ****ing daytime TV soap?!  *has words with self*

Could always be worse, you could be stuck watching daytime TV soap! 

[Seracen]

MrStoob wrote...

Indeed. As I said above, my 'vision' so far is a much more gentle affair than the tension and drama of the usual pairings, like they might slowly drift towards one another, without really noticing themselves.

The idea came off the back of a scene I did where Ash is being de-briefed by Hackett about the Normandy's activities during the battle for Sol. Reading it back, I thought, "Hmm. Have I created subtext here without realising...?"

It'd be lame if it just ends up one of them just saying, "You know what? I think I love you!", a lot more needs to be left unsaid with this type of thing, with these two characters.

Edit:

Am I writing sci-fi or a ****ing daytime TV soap?!  *has words with self*

Well, if you feel it makes sense within the confines of your story, go for it.  Myself, I always pictured Hackett as coasting in his twilight years.  Then again, I'd never have considered Anderson as having a girlfriend, but that's exactly who Kahlee Sanders was to him.

So again, if it works, go for it.  I always struggle to make things seem real, and not a soap, lol.  You should have seen how much I stressed on the romance epilogues of my ME3 story...trying to avoid cheesy sooooo hard, haha.

[MrStoob]

Seracen wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Indeed. As I said above, my 'vision' so far is a much more gentle affair than the tension and drama of the usual pairings, like they might slowly drift towards one another, without really noticing themselves.

The idea came off the back of a scene I did where Ash is being de-briefed by Hackett about the Normandy's activities during the battle for Sol. Reading it back, I thought, "Hmm. Have I created subtext here without realising...?"

It'd be lame if it just ends up one of them just saying, "You know what? I think I love you!", a lot more needs to be left unsaid with this type of thing, with these two characters.

Edit:

Am I writing sci-fi or a ****ing daytime TV soap?!  *has words with self*

Well, if you feel it makes sense within the confines of your story, go for it.  Myself, I always pictured Hackett as coasting in his twilight years.  Then again, I'd never have considered Anderson as having a girlfriend, but that's exactly who Kahlee Sanders was to him.

So again, if it works, go for it.  I always struggle to make things seem real, and not a soap, lol.  You should have seen how much I stressed on the romance epilogues of my ME3 story...trying to avoid cheesy sooooo hard, haha.

Pure contrived cheese, yea, should be avoided.  But people seem to like a little sprinkling of gorgonzola now and again. Citadel DLC anyone?  

Modifié par MrStoob, 08 juillet 2013 - 11:11 .

[AustereLemur799]

Fatiguesdualism wrote...

@AustereLemur799 - I'm enjoying Regress so nyah!  You are not a terrible writer by any conceivable stretch of the imagination (well MAYBE if the universe suddenly imploded into a new Big Bang AND then BILLIONS of years later a new version of humanity re-evolved into a race of giant flying giraffes with a crippling phobia of heights, thus spending all their time with the heads buried underground speaking in backwards French to one another AND THEN Cthulu awoke removed the letter 'e' from existence and forced everyone to speak in English --now know as Nglish sorry Hsilgn --MAYBE then.  If all that happens --I'll have to get back to you). 

The above is why I have an aversion to doing reviews, I have a crippling tendency towards gushy!  Speaking of which, thank you hot_heart and Seracen for your advice.  As soon as I finish my current chapter I'm going to go practice review.  (Practice review, --sigh)

Sorry for the really late response, but I just wanted to say thanks!  You're very kind

I rarely leave reviews either; I find it just as stressful as publishing!  

If I do review, I make up a draft and then read through it several times and then stress over it for two weeks after I've submitted it. The last review I wrote was so gushy (it was literally a page long!) and probably really terrible (by which I mean embarassing ) that unfortunately I haven't been able to go back to the story in question because I feel so ashamed, guilty and positively mortified! - even though I read as a guest (then review under my user account if I have the guts).

@ at everyone else. Again I want to apologise for my behaviour and say thank you for all your encouragement. I do have a really low self-esteem and I just end up coming on here and venting, and I know that's not fair on everyone else - not to mention I know how annoying I must look (and self-obsessed! ).

So thank you for putting up with me. I will try not to be so annoying, pessimistic and self-deprecating in future.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 08 juillet 2013 - 11:59 .

[AustereLemur799]

Seracen wrote...

Hahaha, I completely understand. As far as the music is concerned for me, it can't have any lyrics.

Funny you should mention music. Last year when I was actually in the swing of publishing on a routine basis, I took regular breaks and listened to music for about fifteen to twenty minutes because I found that it worked quite like a pep talk!

But you're right about the lyrics thing. If I listen to music while writing, it has to just be instrumentals without lyrics - otherwise your attention and concentration are divided between writing and keeping up with the words of a song.

I actually enjoy listening to ambience tracks from video games when I write; for example, the Mass Effect trilogy, Killzone, Dragon Age, Red Faction, Halo - to name but a few! Epic things give you a sense of inspiration (which I can rarely translate into my writing ). I suppose it also depends on your mood.

[AustereLemur799]

MrStoob wrote...

I've mentioned before I think, but I did a piece once, which was, if I'm honest, a troll work. lol

During the dark time of BSN (what? it's over?) when some of the 'mancers were calling Liara out for being a weird stalking mind-rapist or something and wished they could have had Shep tell her to bugger off, I did a piece where I specifically set out to annoy anyone who thought like that and in it set out the possible repercussions of such an act.  I even named it 'Careful what you wish for'.  And lo, within a day, someone raged on the review board, Saying '**** Liara' and all that.

I actually read that story and it made me laugh! (I don't laugh nearly often enough, so I was grateful! ). It was a bit daring, considering the current situation with the fans, but in a good way - more light-hearted than serious trolling.

Anyways, it was just funny because, as you say; so many people hated Liara. I could see where they were coming from; Liara was kind of just thrust into every scenario. The worst, I think, was the flashbacks at the end of the game (Liara appeared no matter what - even in place of other love interests! ). I think they fixed it with the Extended Cut, but it was too little, too late.

I don't think it was Liara's fault, as a character, that she was hated; it was the way her character got special treatment above the others.