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[Seracen]

@ MrStoob: Well, there were certain lines of dialogue that were changed to fit changes in the story. Originally, I think Jack was a potential for Femshep.

In fact, if you mod the proper game files, there are all sorts of hidden romance options. Some of those options even have voiced dialogue. There's a treasure trove of unused VO.



@MeredithvL: Yes, I have a vorcha who respects Ashley, and looks up to her, almost like a teacher.

As far as Miranda/Kaidan, it works if you set it up properly. For instance, as they exist in the games, no, Kaidan and Miri don't work. However, as they will exist in my novel, I will try to have it make sense.

I basically turned Miri into the boss of the new Cerberus, which has been reformed under the Alliance as an official answer to the STG, etc. As Kaidan is the SPECTRE in charge of making sure this new Cerberus stays in line, there's an interesting rivalry between the two.

Neither is sure who's dominant. Both are very powerful biotics, and both have been bred for success, in their own ways. So, given enough time and development, I can see the forming of a romance.   I just hope I'm good enough at writing it!



@Yuri: I have an interesting relationship with the romance filter. One of my fave FF8 stories was based on a pairing that I hated (Squall/Quistis), but it was written immaculately.

However, I agree with you in the regard that: stories devoid of ANY romance sadden me. I just feel something missing. While I like certain pairings, and hate others, as long as the characters act in a believable fashion, I'm happy.


EDIT:  yeesh, page 303 already!

Modifié par Seracen, 31 juillet 2013 - 04:25 .

[MrStoob]

As an exercise in ridiculous pairings (IMHO ofc): Joker/Wrex.

I don't care how much background or history could be created in an FF, just, no. Some pairings are just not going to work or be believable. And on a social point of view, female/female pairings just seem more 'acceptable' than male/male, for whatever reasons they may be (I'm avoiding talking specifics purposefully ^^).

[MeredithvL]

Seracen wrote...

I basically turned Miri into the boss of the new Cerberus, which has been reformed under the Alliance as an official answer to the STG, etc. As Kaidan is the SPECTRE in charge of making sure this new Cerberus stays in line, there's an interesting rivalry between the two.

Oh, I really like that idea! The way you're telling it, I can see it work, in the future.
I lost Miri in my fanfic (I wasn't able to save her in my first playthrough) but I've been toying with the idea of making Oriana Lawson take over Cerberus once TIM is out of the way (he's still not, in my story) or perhaps make Ori the new human representative in the Council, in the future. I've still didn't decide which one will be. Of course, if Ori takes over Cerberus it will be to make it a "good" organization, she doesn't believe in the sick experiments or in the random killing of people that don't think like them. But I still don't know.

@ MrStoob: I've seen many double standards in ff.net, even with beta readers. People that say that will beta stories with f/f pairings but absolutely no m/m pairings. That's prejudice. There's no other way to put it.
You know what m/m pairing I think it could work? Kaidan Alenko/Steve Cortez.

[hot_heart]

MeredithvL wrote...
I lost Miri in my fanfic (I wasn't able to save her in my first playthrough)

Boooooo. Hisssssss.

[MeredithvL]

hot_heart wrote...

MeredithvL wrote...
I lost Miri in my fanfic (I wasn't able to save her in my first playthrough)

Boooooo. Hisssssss.

I know! I still cry when I have to write how gone she is! I even created a male Shepard for the sole purpose of romancing Miranda, because I really didn't care for Mark Meer's VA! But what was I gonna do, not be honest with myself? I totally HATE Kai Leng, not because he took Thane's life, but because he took Miri!!

Also, do you think that Oriana is a biotic, like Miranda was? If the father created both the same way, I could see Ori as a biotic, but the game didn't give any hint that she could be...

[Efvie]

Hi! I’ve been lurking for the longest time, and finally got the chance to create this account.

I think I may have run across some of you before…

[hot_heart]

MeredithvL wrote...
Also, do you think that Oriana is a biotic, like Miranda was? If the father created both the same way, I could see Ori as a biotic, but the game didn't give any hint that she could be...

I guess you could play it either way, really. It's weird that Miranda's a biotic, given that she was born before humanity discovered the potential of them so most Miranda fans figure that she was surgically-implanted with eezo nodules (a krogan procedure was mentioned in the codex, apparently) at a later stage. Though I don't really reference it, I imagine that this is also linked to the infertility mentioned in the SB dossier.

As for Oriana, she was created/designed/born much later than Miranda so there's a chance that Henry Lawson gave her biotic potential. It's just that since she's lived a 'normal' life, she's never had the required implant in order to 'access' her biotics.

[Seracen]

MrStoob wrote...

As an exercise in ridiculous pairings (IMHO ofc): Joker/Wrex.

I don't care how much background or history could be created in an FF, just, no. Some pairings are just not going to work or be believable. And on a social point of view, female/female pairings just seem more 'acceptable' than male/male, for whatever reasons they may be (I'm avoiding talking specifics purposefully ^^).

Okay, I'll agree, some of the pairings are nonsensical.  Of course, the FF fandom had troll pairings way back when.  I remember an FF8 story that coupled Raijin with Edea.  It was a garbage story, but amusing nonetheless.

As for the male/male vs female/female thing:  I think each have their own fandom as well.  There are any number of male fantasies that could involve a Buffy making out with Satsu/Faith, a fellow female slayer.  Similarly, there are any number of slash fics for Supernatural written by females.  In fact, seeing the characters in the show react to such stories was hilarious.

I think personal tastes of hetero gamer guys tend to allow for f/f as well as m/f.  Stragely enough, not many of my female friends (hetero or not) who are into the ME series care for m/m couplings.  I don't think it's about acceptance, so much as personal taste.

@Efvie: Hello and welcome!

@MeredithvL: if Ori is around, and not Miri, I could see her taking over the "good" Cerberus as a way to atone for her father's sins.  As far as being a councilor, I personally think that'd be more of a stretch.  It's not just ability, but connections as well.

For instance, with Kahlee Sanders, she was Anderson's girlfriend AND the daughter of humanity's most famous Admiral.  As such, I could see how someone would suggest she be councilor.

But if you want to do it, go for it.  Heck Ori's work at Cereberus could be what brings her up for a Council position, for that matter.  It's all about the setup.

Modifié par Seracen, 31 juillet 2013 - 07:05 .

[MeredithvL]

Seracen wrote...

For instance, with Kahlee Sanders, she was Anderson's girlfriend AND the daughter of humanity's most famous Admiral.  As such, I could see how someone would suggest she be councilor.

Of course!! Thank you!! Yes, that will work, how could I forget about Kahlee Sanders? I mean, I didn't, I mentioned her in the story, it's just I didn't think of her as a candidate for the Council. I'll go for that and of course I'll mention you in my thank you notes when I get to that chapter. Right now the human councilor is Kaidan Alenko, but he only accepted the position knowing that it would be temporal. The galaxy was in such a state of chaos and disarray, that someone who was trusted had to take that place for the moment, and he was the second human Spectre so he was a symbol of his own. He'll be the councilor only until the galaxy can manage a little more order after the war.

As for Oriana, I think I'll go for 'was created a biotic but Henry didn't have the time to train her as such, she receives training later'. Thank you, hot_heart !

@Efvie: welcome! I'm fairly new too, not to the forums in general but to this section of the forum. People are very friendly here.

[Seracen]

MeredithvL wrote...

Seracen wrote...

For instance, with Kahlee Sanders, she was Anderson's girlfriend AND the daughter of humanity's most famous Admiral.  As such, I could see how someone would suggest she be councilor.

Of course!! Thank you!! Yes, that will work, how could I forget about Kahlee Sanders? I mean, I didn't, I mentioned her in the story, it's just I didn't think of her as a candidate for the Council. I'll go for that and of course I'll mention you in my thank you notes when I get to that chapter. Right now the human councilor is Kaidan Alenko, but he only accepted the position knowing that it would be temporal. The galaxy was in such a state of chaos and disarray, that someone who was trusted had to take that place for the moment, and he was the second human Spectre so he was a symbol of his own. He'll be the councilor only until the galaxy can manage a little more order after the war.

As for Oriana, I think I'll go for 'was created a biotic but Henry didn't have the time to train her as such, she receives training later'. Thank you, hot_heart !

@Efvie: welcome! I'm fairly new too, not to the forums in general but to this section of the forum. People are very friendly here.

You are most welcome.  To be fair, however, the only reason I ever remember Kahlee is b/c of the books, haha.  I'm glad I could help!

I'm sure your Kaidan will thank me as well.  One can only imagine what an accomplished soldier like him would make of inter-galactic politics! 

[MeredithvL]

Seracen wrote...

I'm sure your Kaidan will thank me as well.  One can only imagine what an accomplished soldier like him would make of inter-galactic politics! 

Well, he's a smart guy, but for politics he's receiving a lot of help. He was reluctant at first, but humanity needed a strong symbol, with all the species stranded on Earth after the mass relays went dark, so many people dead or MIA, the cities into a complete chaos... but yes, he'll be relieved when he can pass the torch to someone else

[hot_heart]

MeredithvL wrote...
As for Oriana, I think I'll go for 'was created a biotic but Henry didn't have the time to train her as such, she receives training later'. Thank you, hot_heart !

You're welcome. Don't forget that human biotics need an implant too though; I'd doubt Oriana has one of those either way.

[MeredithvL]

hot_heart wrote...

You're welcome. Don't forget that human biotics need an implant too though; I'd doubt Oriana has one of those either way.

I know, but she could find the way to get one after the war. Perhaps she'd feel that, with her sister being dead, she should find the way to do things right, in her memory? I might write a one-shot about Ori connected with the main story. That is, if I ever find the time!

[enayasoul]

For my next chapter almost ready to upload but holding off because of a few scenes I want to think over some more.

Posts above were talking about drama and how much drama is too much? How do you know when you've gone to far for drama's sake?

I guess what I want to know is how far should one go and not to make the one character I have too extreme that people might hate her (Ashley) even more or think that I hate her because I really don't but it's in character for Shepard and what he's feeling atm. It always comes back to Ashley calling him a traitor and constantly reminding him of that fact because he worked for Cerberus. I feel that's been done to death. heh!

Basically, I'm working on a scene with Ashley and Shepard talking about something important, (not to spoil it for those following it) and Ashley hasn't really moved past Shepard leaving her for Miranda. It's still a sore spot but Ashley is trying to work things out but Ashley is too 'hotheaded'? to think before she speaks.

(I often wonder if that's why she was a mute on the normandy half the time. Haha. Probably not... only so much you can add in a game? Damn...)

Back to what I was saying about my fic:
After Ashley learns some interesting facts about Miranda, she still can't see why Shepard would be with her. Jealousy? Yes. Very much so. In a way, I've watched the scene in ME3 where Ashley does that remark about Miranda and Shepard didn't even defend her. Some people wished there Shepard could... ( I certainly wanted Shepard to tell her off but not in the way, the writers used that line. He wasn't getting back with Ashley but Shepard never got to **** at Ashley, the one, who walked away.

So, would it be too much drama if Ashley said something bad about Miranda and Shepard just lost it, defending Miranda's character causing even more 'drama' between Ashley and Shepard.

In the original scene I wrote, I didn't have Ashley be rude. Decisions, decisions. Hmm...
Shepard already had enough of Ashley's **** from the last few chapters and pushing Ashley off on to Garrus to work with on an investigation/plot.

[Ignis Mors]

enayasoul wrote...

For my next chapter almost ready to upload but holding off because of a few scenes I want to think over some more.

Posts above were talking about drama and how much drama is too much? How do you know when you've gone to far for drama's sake?

I guess what I want to know is how far should one go and not to make the one character I have too extreme that people might hate her (Ashley) even more or think that I hate her because I really don't but it's in character for Shepard and what he's feeling atm. It always comes back to Ashley calling him a traitor and constantly reminding him of that fact because he worked for Cerberus. I feel that's been done to death. heh!

Basically, I'm working on a scene with Ashley and Shepard talking about something important, (not to spoil it for those following it) and Ashley hasn't really moved past Shepard leaving her for Miranda. It's still a sore spot but Ashley is trying to work things out but Ashley is too 'hotheaded'? to think before she speaks.

(I often wonder if that's why she was a mute on the normandy half the time. Haha. Probably not... only so much you can add in a game? Damn...)

Back to what I was saying about my fic:
After Ashley learns some interesting facts about Miranda, she still can't see why Shepard would be with her. Jealousy? Yes. Very much so. In a way, I've watched the scene in ME3 where Ashley does that remark about Miranda and Shepard didn't even defend her. Some people wished there Shepard could... ( I certainly wanted Shepard to tell her off but not in the way, the writers used that line. He wasn't getting back with Ashley but Shepard never got to **** at Ashley, the one, who walked away.

So, would it be too much drama if Ashley said something bad about Miranda and Shepard just lost it, defending Miranda's character causing even more 'drama' between Ashley and Shepard.

In the original scene I wrote, I didn't have Ashley be rude. Decisions, decisions. Hmm...
Shepard already had enough of Ashley's **** from the last few chapters and pushing Ashley off on to Garrus to work with on an investigation/plot.

I don't think that's too much drama. I could see Shep just losing his temper if someone insulted his girlfriend. Also, don't worry too much about if the readers think you hate a character you don't. I've had people, who didn't mention it in review, but in PM chats say that they thought I hated character X who I actually liked. (I think it was someone thought I hated Jack after a chap where I had her lose her **** after her loyalty mission, 'cause I had it that  Aresh had been her only friend before she escaped from Pragia, and he got Indoctrinated by a Cerberus cell which had an Indoctrinated leader who implanted him with reaper tech.) Just write the scene that you want to. It may upset a few people who are massive fans of the character you're having Shepard get mad at, but not anyone else. At least, the way you've described the scene makes it seem like it won't anger anyone. Unless Shepard ends up like threatening to rip open Ashley and choke her to death on her own intestines. HMM, I may have to find a way to have Shepard use that threat on someone in my own fic, I think it would make my readers laugh. Oh darn, I should have used that on the latest chapter I wrote. Oh well.

Modifié par Ignis Mors, 01 août 2013 - 01:01 .

[enayasoul]

Ignis Mors wrote...

I don't think that's too much drama. I could see Shep just losing his temper if someone insulted his girlfriend. Also, don't worry too much about if the readers think you hate a character you don't. I've had people, who didn't mention it in review, but in PM chats say that they thought I hated character X who I actually liked. (I think it was someone thought I hated Jack after a chap where I had her lose her **** after her loyalty mission, 'cause I had it that  Aresh had been her only friend before she escaped from Pragia, and he got Indoctrinated by a Cerberus cell which had an Indoctrinated leader who implanted him with reaper tech.) Just write the scene that you want to. It may upset a few people who are massive fans of the character you're having Shepard get mad at, but not anyone else. At least, the way you've described the scene makes it seem like it won't anger anyone. Unless Shepard ends up like threatening to rip open Ashley and choke her to death on her own intestines. HMM, I may have to find a way to have Shepard use that threat on someone in my own fic, I think it would make my readers laugh. Oh darn, I should have used that on the latest chapter I wrote. Oh well.

Thanks for the input!  Much appreciated.  No, my Shepard wouldn't go that far to threaten Ashley.  He's not that brutal.   He'd use words then walk away... not wanting to discuss it further.
It's kind of funny if applied to someone else... I know of one bsn fan that would love to do that to Ashley. Ouch!   He enjoyed killing her at the coup.

I actually disliked the two renegade interrupt when the clone and brooks held the real shepard in the force bubble?  It was a bit much...   but then again my Shepard did push the guy out the window and Jack was pretty shocked. (ME2, Shadowbroker DLC...tower)    And kill brooks in the back and kicked the clone off his ship.

Modifié par enayasoul, 01 août 2013 - 01:49 .

[MeredithvL]

@ enayasoul: I don't think that the scene you described is too much drama. I think that too much drama is when the plot gets too complicated without need, or when bad things keep happening to one character just for the sake of having the character suffer, or when only bad things happen to the characters or in the plot. Having Shepard defend Miri has a lot of sense, my Shepard would do the same if someone spoke badly about HIS Miri!!!

[MrStoob]

Drama now is release later! But yea, the Ash/Miri/Shep premise seems good to me. I doubt (though you may think differently, I dunno) that they would keep up any ill-will for long, being soldiers and squaddies like. It can make for interesting conversations if they thrash it out properly, Miri, Cerberus, the coup, the past, etc, though not too amicably or perfectly; got to save some drama for later! hehe

[hot_heart]

The only thing I would worry about, enayasoul, is things becoming too one-note. If it's just constant whining for the sake of drama, then I find that a bit tiresome (probably why the VS is quite annoying throughout the start of ME3, until the Citadel coup makes something of it). Though, it sounds like you have some sort of meaningful conflict behind it, which is good.

In personal news, I think I've 'fixed' the problem I was having with the story (how Miranda happens to hook up with ex-colleagues), even if it does seem a little too convenient. Hopefully, I'll be able to go at it full-steam soon enough.

Though, I'm tempted to follow Whedon's writing advice and 'have dessert first', which means writing this flashback section that's not due until at least two chapters' time (and will most likely make up part of the final chapter)

[Fatiguesdualism]

Hmm, things becoming too one-note. Funnily enough that's what I've been concerned about in my tale recently!

Anyway I was hoping some-one could help with a quick lore question. Does anyone know if Kaiden mentions whether he has any siblings? Just I'm needing a new XO on the Normandy following Brooks' inauguration and thought 'why not Kaiden's brother?'  Failing that I suppose I could just use Cortez in that role!

Modifié par Fatiguesdualism, 01 août 2013 - 11:28 .

[Efvie]

Fatiguesdualism wrote...

Anyway I was hoping some-one could help with a quick lore question. Does anyone know if Kaiden mentions whether he has any siblings? Just I'm needing a new XO on the Normandy following Brooks' inauguration and thought 'why not Kaiden's brother?'  Failing that I suppose I could just use Cortez in that role!

He does not mention any. Whether he does is up to you!

ETA: arguably it might be a bit of a stretch that a family member in the same branch of service and of fairly high rank going unmentioned… but not really enough of one to pose any kind of a real problem.

My counterargument would really be more Small World than anything else. Why does it need to be Kaidan’s brother? Why not someone else?

Modifié par Efvie, 01 août 2013 - 07:08 .

[MeredithvL]

Fatiguesdualism wrote...

Hmm, things becoming too one-note. Funnily enough that's what I've been concerned about in my tale recently!

Anyway I was hoping some-one could help with a quick lore question. Does anyone know if Kaiden mentions whether he has any siblings? Just I'm needing a new XO on the Normandy following Brooks' inauguration and thought 'why not Kaiden's brother?'  Failing that I suppose I could just use Cortez in that role!

He doesn't mention having any siblings even when Shepard asks him about his family, so I guess he doesn't have any.

Also... his name is Kaidan, with an 'a', not Kaiden

[Seracen]

Fatiguesdualism wrote...

Hmm, things becoming too one-note. Funnily enough that's what I've been concerned about in my tale recently!

Anyway I was hoping some-one could help with a quick lore question. Does anyone know if Kaiden mentions whether he has any siblings? Just I'm needing a new XO on the Normandy following Brooks' inauguration and thought 'why not Kaiden's brother?'  Failing that I suppose I could just use Cortez in that role!

I don't think he has any other family, aside from his mom (whom he only mentioned in ME3).

I suppose you could bring back Corp Toombs, if he's alive.  Especially if Shep is the Sole Survivor, there could be an interesting twist.

I used Major Kirrahe (the salarian) as my XO for Shep.  For Garrus (has his own ship), Miri and Zaeed share the role, one is the officer in charge of the logistics, the other is the 2nd in command during combat.

Generally, I'm a fan of looping around and using pre-existing characters, vs creating new ones.  But sometimes, it's fun to just play with a new entry into the mythos.

Modifié par Seracen, 01 août 2013 - 07:58 .

[Fatiguesdualism]

Well here's the thinking - warning this is all very AU! The VS here is Ashley, still a chief and currently in hospital (probably important to know that)

Shepard is 'technically' in pre-trial confinement, his commission suspended. But 'stuff' has happened and he's back on Spectre duties - without the Alliance's express permission (they haven't said 'yes' but they haven't said 'no' either) because of aforementioned stuff.

Brooks (non-kooky professional 'Hope Lillium' mode) is the new Alliance CO of the Normandy, her transfer was a bit of a rush job but she managed to bring two officers (from her last posting) with her.

(1) Cortez - gifted pilot, good organiser, dependable
Now if she uses Cortez to rattle Joker (think 'friendly' competition to be chief helmsman) then I can't really see using him as the ship's XO.

Hence (2) Someone Else/Kaidan's Brother - younger lieutenant, good with people, follows orders
to fill the empty XO spot. The Normandy is mid-refit and has next to a skeleton crew aboard so there's not really anyone else. Adams works best in the chief engineer role (IMHO)

The Kaidan Brother possibility comes up as I gave my Brooks the 'War Hero' background (Saviour of Elysium etc) and mentioned that my Shepard's (Spacer/Sole Survivor) father died on Elysium - as a possible source of friction a chapter back - only now I'm not sure if I want to follow up on that. A way to neutralise it would be to bring in someone whose relative Shepard 'got killed' - so if anyone starts complaining - they'll look REALLY petty. Also has the benefit of making Brooks appear a bit smarter (by closing down Shepard's options) and more manipulative (throwing your dead friend's brother into your face - not cool).
I suppose I could still use 'Someone Else' and establish a similar relationship, but that would probably involve a good deal more exposition, the Virmire Choice is already established in game, or just ditch the whole idea and see how things pan out in a Shepard v Brooks.

Anyway that's the thinking, although given the recent posts on too much drama I suspect I may well be 'over-egging the pudding' here!

EDIT:  Sorry didn't see the next two replies (MeredithvL & Seracen) .  Sorry about the misspelling of Kaidan earlier - thanks for catching it!  Well I suppose if he doesn't mention having any siblings he doesn't have any after all (cue scrunching of paper noise) back to the padded room to think!

Modifié par Fatiguesdualism, 01 août 2013 - 08:26 .

[MeredithvL]

I suppose I could still use 'Someone Else' and establish a similar relationship, but that would probably involve a good deal more exposition, the Virmire Choice is already established in game, or just ditch the whole idea and see how things pan out in a Shepard v Brooks.

Well, since you're going into the AU path (welcome to the dark side!) I guess you shouldn't worry so much about canon, and give Kaidan a brother if you wish to. IMO, however, Shepard would be really pissed off as it is if someone stole his ship, no need to add drama putting Kaidan's little brother in the equation. Or, if you really feel that you should add siblings and you feel that the extra drama will work in your story but you don't want to stray too much from canon... Ash has tons of sisters. None of them was in the military in ME1 and ME2, but who said that one of them didn't enlist after the especial events that you described so far in your story? She probably wouldn't be a Lieutenant yet, but there's a high chance that Brooks doesn't mind her rank if her goal is to ****** Shepard off.