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 When I finished the story, I had 7 or 8 people leaving regular reviews... but 29 registered follows, and every new chapter generated 40+ views within days of publishing.


I also consider the views as a sign that people are interested enough in my fic to come back. I have two users that read whatever new chapter I post within minutes that I posted it, no matter at what time I make the update. Sometimes I wonder "seriously? these guys never sleep, they are just watching their email to see if they have an update from ff.net?" but I'm very flattered.
However, I have 42 people registered to follow my story, 10 people who favorited it, about 60+ views within the first 36 hs for every new chapter I post... but none of those people feel the need to leave regular reviews. If for whatever cause I don't make the update within the promised frequency (a chapter at least every other week) they do PM me asking why they didn't have the update, they beg me to not abandon the story... but they don't review. I find that to be a little odd :D

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Drussius wrote...

The subject of reviews has been brought up many times over the course of this thread, […]


I know :)

When I finished the story, I had 7 or 8 people leaving regular reviews... but 29 registered follows, and every new chapter generated 40+ views within days of publishing.


Well-deserved. Honestly, I’d much prefer this.

…But enough of that topic, just feeling a bit venty today.

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Efvie wrote...

Drussius wrote...

The subject of reviews has been brought up many times over the course of this thread, […]


I know :)

When I finished the story, I had 7 or 8 people leaving regular reviews... but 29 registered follows, and every new chapter generated 40+ views within days of publishing.


Well-deserved. Honestly, I’d much prefer this.

…But enough of that topic, just feeling a bit venty today.


Vent away, vent away.  Similarly I looked at some of my legacy stats today and it's quite depressing lol.

Blue (book 1): complete, c 120k words over 62 chapts, 102 reviews, 48k views, 39 favs, 49 alerts.

Blue: The Damned (sequel): WIP, c 61k words over 31 chapts (hm consistent...), 22 reviews, 9k views, 10 favs, 19 alerts

Is it me or the fickle fanbase?  I started Blue in the ME3 aftermath so there was probably plenty of disgruntled fans wanting to read some more ME stories, though I know that this one is not as 'good' as the first book, regardless.

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MeredithvL wrote...

Drussius wrote...


 When I finished the story, I had 7 or 8 people leaving regular reviews... but 29 registered follows, and every new chapter generated 40+ views within days of publishing.


I also consider the views as a sign that people are interested enough in my fic to come back. I have two users that read whatever new chapter I post within minutes that I posted it, no matter at what time I make the update. Sometimes I wonder "seriously? these guys never sleep, they are just watching their email to see if they have an update from ff.net?" but I'm very flattered.
However, I have 42 people registered to follow my story, 10 people who favorited it, about 60+ views within the first 36 hs for every new chapter I post... but none of those people feel the need to leave regular reviews. If for whatever cause I don't make the update within the promised frequency (a chapter at least every other week) they do PM me asking why they didn't have the update, they beg me to not abandon the story... but they don't review. I find that to be a little odd :D


Haha, yeah, some readers are wild like that. There was one person from Ireland who read through both of my mass effect fics in a single day, but inexplicably read chapter 5 of Feathers seven times.  :\\ Like...I looked at that chapter, it's nothing particularly amazing or worthy of being read so many times by the same person. Sometimes people are just...excited? It can be flattering, for sure.

And yeah, when I went on hiatus, I got a bunch of PMs about Feathers, and now I get them about that and the sequel to my other story, yet I release a new chapter of whatever, I get a crazy amount of views (this is with an active and very enthusiastic fandom mind you), and sometimes it takes until my 300th view to get a review. And it's usually a "Great job" or "Update soon!", which isn't bad at all, but i like conversing with my readers. It's a huge contrast to where I started off with Flotsam, getting eighteen views per release day and two or three reviews.
In short, views/reviews are weird, unpredictable, and not really worth the effort to care too much about. :P

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fluffywalrus wrote...

In short, views/reviews are weird, unpredictable, and not really worth the effort to care too much about. :P


You're right, and I really don't worry that much, I just find it curious how they work.

Changing subject, I just wanted to comment how much I struggle sometimes with prepositions. Since English is not my first language, sometimes I spend fifteen minutes trying to figure out if a certain specific word can be used or if I should employ "in" or "on". For some things I got it figured out: if something is inside certain other thing, it's "in", if on the surface, is "on". But for more metaphorical uses of "in" and "on"... I google and google again and I'm always not content with it, and I wish someone would tell me "you're doing it wrong" or "yeah, that's the correct usage"!!

And don't ask me why, if I struggle so much, I don't simply write in Spanish. No way I could write Mass Effect stories in Spanish. I can't imagine Shepard saying "Debería irme" instead of "I should go". No. My mind just get crazy with the mere thought :D

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Well I just hope that I'm still on your 'to do' list fluffy if you're still reading ME fics. Probably half of those reviews for Blue were your kind words. Well Commander Williams can wait I suppose, and whoever else might have survived the war... (tempt, tempt).

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MeredithvL wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

In short, views/reviews are weird, unpredictable, and not really worth the effort to care too much about. :P


You're right, and I really don't worry that much, I just find it curious how they work.

Changing subject, I just wanted to comment how much I struggle sometimes with prepositions. Since English is not my first language, sometimes I spend fifteen minutes trying to figure out if a certain specific word can be used or if I should employ "in" or "on". For some things I got it figured out: if something is inside certain other thing, it's "in", if on the surface, is "on". But for more metaphorical uses of "in" and "on"... I google and google again and I'm always not content with it, and I wish someone would tell me "you're doing it wrong" or "yeah, that's the correct usage"!!

And don't ask me why, if I struggle so much, I don't simply write in Spanish. No way I could write Mass Effect stories in Spanish. I can't imagine Shepard saying "Debería irme" instead of "I should go". No. My mind just get crazy with the mere thought :D


Honestly? I don't envy you for writing in another language than your first. I can't imagine it's easy at all, understanding English. Hell, English comes in a few types...there were times where I've read a story and I simply could not understand what was going on, and the writer was apparently from somewhere in britain, using slang and all in the fic that I am not the least bit knowledgeable in. So when I read stories from folk who write in English despite not being native or fluent with it, I try to take it easy and point out mistakes politely. Just makes sense to turn it into a teaching moment ^_^ I'd offer up my services for proofreading, but I'm generally short of time these days, and August will be a busy travel month, and then school starts again in September, etc.

But if you ever question something English related, feel free to post it here. I may not have time for reading a bundle of chapters, but paragraphs are doable :)

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Well I just hope that I'm still on your 'to do' list fluffy if you're still reading ME fics. Probably half of those reviews for Blue were your kind words. Well Commander Williams can wait I suppose, and whoever else might have survived the war... (tempt, tempt).


Haha, I have an absurdly long backlog that I have to tackle. I'm talking over 350k words, easy. And I honestly haven't touched the backlog in two and a half weeks. I'll get around to the reading eventually, but...I can't promise that'll be anytime soon.

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MeredithvL wrote...
Changing subject, I just wanted to comment how much I struggle sometimes with prepositions. Since English is not my first language, sometimes I spend fifteen minutes trying to figure out if a certain specific word can be used or if I should employ "in" or "on". For some things I got it figured out: if something is inside certain other thing, it's "in", if on the surface, is "on". But for more metaphorical uses of "in" and "on"... I google and google again and I'm always not content with it, and I wish someone would tell me "you're doing it wrong" or "yeah, that's the correct usage"!!


Do you mean abstract stuff, like 'That really gets on my nerves.' or 'You're right on time.' type phrases?  I'd imagine literal descriptions, like whether an object is in or on something else is pretty straight forward, but yea, English can be funny.

Like that phrase I just used there, 'you're right on time'.  It could be said, 'you're just in time' and still mean pretty much the same thing, but you couldn't just replace the 'on' with 'in' for 'you're right in time', that just doesn't make sense.  'In' and 'on' in these cases mean slightly different things than usual.  'In' means 'within', so the full proper phrase could read 'you're just within time', meaning they are within an alloted deadline.  'Right on time' means they have arrived at the exact deadline and are 'on' it, so yea a bit more abstract.  Sorry, waffled a bit there.  Hope it's of some use.  :D

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fluffywalrus wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Well I just hope that I'm still on your 'to do' list fluffy if you're still reading ME fics. Probably half of those reviews for Blue were your kind words. Well Commander Williams can wait I suppose, and whoever else might have survived the war... (tempt, tempt).


Haha, I have an absurdly long backlog that I have to tackle. I'm talking over 350k words, easy. And I honestly haven't touched the backlog in two and a half weeks. I'll get around to the reading eventually, but...I can't promise that'll be anytime soon.


No probs at all.  Can't blame a guy for trying.  :)

Edit: I want to read that British colloquial fic, fluffy, sounds humorous.

Modifié par MrStoob, 04 août 2013 - 11:10 .


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fluffywalrus wrote...

But if you ever question something English related, feel free to post it here. I may not have time for reading a bundle of chapters, but paragraphs are doable :)


Thank you! I will if I need to. At first I had a beta reader but then she dissapeared, and I found another beta reader and he helped me for some time but then he had to change jobs and didn't have time, then I found another and he also stopped replying for unknown reasons, but my readers were asking if I had abandoned the story so I decided to keep posting anyway even if the chapters weren't beta read, and after some time I found another beta that agreed to revisit previous chapters and help me with English usage, he did help me with three chapters, and he dissapeared again. So, I gave up finding another beta, I just try my best.

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Do you mean abstract stuff, like 'That really gets on my nerves.' or 'You're right on time.' type phrases?  I'd imagine literal descriptions, like whether an object is in or on something else is pretty straight forward, but yea, English can be funny.


Yes! That's exactly what I mean. But what I do is google the entire phrase I want to use, with quotes, both with the "in" and "on" option. The phrase I see used more times in the results is the one I go with.

Of course, I also struggle with slang. I can express myself in rather formal English, I believe, or normal everyday English. But sometimes characters in Mass Effect use some slang, and if I want to reproduce their pattern of speech, I can spend a long time trying to find out how to say something using slang, and that's the hardest part of writing in a foreign language. I lived two years in Los Angeles but I was a toddler, so of course I didn't learn a lot of slang! :D

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Similar but different to slang, the thing I've sometimes noticed with writers whose first language is not English, is the lack of usage of 'I'm', 'I've', 'you're', 'we're' and such like in dialogue. Unless a quirk of the character (like ME1 Liara) when people are just talking, they rarely use the full version apart from for emphasis.

"I am feeling pretty low." just sounds too considered/flat to my ears.

"I'm feeling pretty low." sounds more 'real'.


"You are kidding!" VS "You're kidding!"

The 'you're' version sounds zippier and more like how someone would say such an exclamation.

I remember after writing several chapters of my first book, I went back an scanned all of Liara's dialogue to remove such instances lol. Was a lot easier once past the ME2 arc, when she started using such inflections in ME3.

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MrStoob wrote...

Similar but different to slang, the thing I've sometimes noticed with writers whose first language is not English, is the lack of usage of 'I'm', 'I've', 'you're', 'we're' and such like in dialogue. Unless a quirk of the character (like ME1 Liara) when people are just talking, they rarely use the full version apart from for emphasis.


You're right, some of my friends do that when they write in English. I never had that problem though, perhaps because I did learn some English when I was very little? I went to the kindergarten in L.A. and spoke with north american kids (I won't say american because I'm american too, I'm from Argentina :D )

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MeredithvL wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Similar but different to slang, the thing I've sometimes noticed with writers whose first language is not English, is the lack of usage of 'I'm', 'I've', 'you're', 'we're' and such like in dialogue. Unless a quirk of the character (like ME1 Liara) when people are just talking, they rarely use the full version apart from for emphasis.


You're right, some of my friends do that when they write in English. I never had that problem though, perhaps because I did learn some English when I was very little? I went to the kindergarten in L.A. and spoke with north american kids (I won't say american because I'm american too, I'm from Argentina :D )


I'm just lucky I was born into an English speaking country (England) and mother was big on correct usage and whatnot.  Being from Liverpool, we use a lot of colloquialisms, slang, dropped letters, etc, and she'd tear her hair out if we came home saying, "A'right ma, dere any scran goin'?" (Hello mother, is there any food available?).
:lol:

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MeredithvL wrote...

Changing subject, I just wanted to comment how much I struggle sometimes with prepositions.


Actually I do too. Especially I sometimes start second-guessing myself (and typically end up wrong in the end).

Found this the other day: Preposition Dictionary. Looks like it might be useful as a basic reference at least? I doubt it covers every, especially more arcane, usage.

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Efvie wrote...

Found this the other day: Preposition Dictionary. Looks like it might be useful as a basic reference at least? I doubt it covers every, especially more arcane, usage.


Thank you! It will definitely help me, specially when I get all mixed up about things like "arrive at". It just doesn't make sense in Spanish, that's why I can never remember it!! :D

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MrStoob wrote...

I'm just lucky I was born into an English speaking country (England) and mother was big on correct usage and whatnot.  Being from Liverpool, we use a lot of colloquialisms, slang, dropped letters, etc, and she'd tear her hair out if we came home saying, "A'right ma, dere any scran goin'?" (Hello mother, is there any food available?).
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Small world!  But did you ever use 'me' in place of 'my' one wonders?  Posted Image 

Have never really thought much about the use of slang, but for some-reason I tend to use 'boat terms' for stuff when Shepard's on the Normandy (eg door = hatch, floor = deck, bathroom = head, etc) - not entirely sure why Posted Image

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Fatiguesdualism wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

I'm just lucky I was born into an English speaking country (England) and mother was big on correct usage and whatnot.  Being from Liverpool, we use a lot of colloquialisms, slang, dropped letters, etc, and she'd tear her hair out if we came home saying, "A'right ma, dere any scran goin'?" (Hello mother, is there any food available?).
Posted Image


Small world!  But did you every use 'me' in place of 'my' one wonders?  Posted Image 

Have never really thought much about the use of slang, but for some-reason I tend to use 'boat terms' for stuff when Shepard's on the Normandy (eg door = hatch, floor = deck, bathroom = head, etc) - not entirely sure why Posted Image


In life, yea, I do use 'me' a lot.  "Where's me ****s?" and such like.  Like.  ;)

Edit: oh.  That was supposed to say a colloquial word for cigarettes that is also unfortunately a derogitory word for gay people.  Ain't English marvellous? hehe

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Fatiguesdualism wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

I'm just lucky I was born into an English speaking country (England) and mother was big on correct usage and whatnot.  Being from Liverpool, we use a lot of colloquialisms, slang, dropped letters, etc, and she'd tear her hair out if we came home saying, "A'right ma, dere any scran goin'?" (Hello mother, is there any food available?).
Posted Image


Small world!  But did you every use 'me' in place of 'my' one wonders?  Posted Image 

Have never really thought much about the use of slang, but for some-reason I tend to use 'boat terms' for stuff when Shepard's on the Normandy (eg door = hatch, floor = deck, bathroom = head, etc) - not entirely sure why Posted Image


Boat terms fit when Shepard is on the Normandy. It's the Alliance Navy after all, and the Normandy is referred to as a ship, so typical Navy/Nautical terms seem appropriate.

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Okay... Sorry to put the thread on a serious track and/or fill it with personal complaints, but I'd like to get some thoughts on rekindling motivation.

I suffer from mental health issues that I won't get into here, but over the past year or so, things have been getting steadily worse. So much so, in fact, that I am considering going back into therapy and getting back on medication, something that I have avoided for twelve years now because the meds made me feel like I was living in a fog and interfered with both my focus and ability to think clearly. The problem I am currently having is that as things get worse, worries about life, how my kids would handle me being on meds (my youngest is too young to even remember what I was like on them), and similar worries are bringing on depression and a serious lack of motivation. Posted Image

I know that I could never hold myself to the schedule I set for my first fic when I start writing a new one. I updated every 4-5 days like clockwork for 10 months straight, and I wouldn't hold myself to a schedule like that again even under ideal circumstances. The problem is, while I have ideas rolling around in my head, life issues are seriously stifling my creativity. It's not really writer's block. I have ideas. I think about story ideas for at least a few minutes every day. But I find myself really struggling to build up the enthusiasm to actually write. When I actually power up my laptop with the intention of writing, by the time it finishes booting up, I'm already thinking, "Meh. I'm just not up for this now... Guess I'll just shut it down." And it's really difficult to imagine getting into any sort of writing flow while I'm so stressed out that I have felt nauseous for literally five straight days now. Posted Image

This is the longest I have gone without writing something since I was about 11. My fic was finished in May. It is now August and I literally haven't written one word in the interim. And I just don't feel like writing is going to turn out anything good while I'm essentially forcing myself to write something... and I haven't even been able to get as far as actually typing a single line of a new story.


So, my question to you all is:

or, a question in the case the wall of text above prompted a tl;dr reaction:

How do you build the enthusiasm to write when you actually have ideas, but serious real life worries are killing your motivation and focus?

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Okay... Sorry to put the thread on a serious track and/or fill it with personal complaints, but I'd like to get some thoughts on rekindling motivation.

I suffer from mental health issues that I won't get into here, but over the past year or so, things have been getting steadily worse. So much so, in fact, that I am considering going back into therapy and getting back on medication, something that I have avoided for twelve years now because the meds made me feel like I was living in a fog and interfered with both my focus and ability to think clearly. The problem I am currently having is that as things get worse, worries about life, how my kids would handle me being on meds (my youngest is too young to even remember what I was like on them), and similar worries are bringing on depression and a serious lack of motivation. Posted Image

I know that I could never hold myself to the schedule I set for my first fic when I start writing a new one. I updated every 4-5 days like clockwork for 10 months straight, and I wouldn't hold myself to a schedule like that again even under ideal circumstances. The problem is, while I have ideas rolling around in my head, life issues are seriously stifling my creativity. It's not really writer's block. I have ideas. I think about story ideas for at least a few minutes every day. But I find myself really struggling to build up the enthusiasm to actually write. When I actually power up my laptop with the intention of writing, by the time it finishes booting up, I'm already thinking, "Meh. I'm just not up for this now... Guess I'll just shut it down." And it's really difficult to imagine getting into any sort of writing flow while I'm so stressed out that I have felt nauseous for literally five straight days now. Posted Image

This is the longest I have gone without writing something since I was about 11. My fic was finished in May. It is now August and I literally haven't written one word in the interim. And I just don't feel like writing is going to turn out anything good while I'm essentially forcing myself to write something... and I haven't even been able to get as far as actually typing a single line of a new story.


So, my question to you all is:

or, a question in the case the wall of text above prompted a tl;dr reaction:

How do you build the enthusiasm to write when you actually have ideas, but serious real life worries are killing your motivation and focus?


Hey there mate, don't feel bad about laying it on us.  Sorry you are having to deal with so much.  I can totally understand where you are coming from.  The ongoing drama that I discussed earlier has caused me to react in similar fashion.  I've not been officially diagnosed with anything requiring medication, although I wouldn't be surprised (depression runs on my mom's side, dementia runs on my dad's side).

Luckily, I've had a support group in close friends, and I definitely used anime/writing/games as a form of escape.  Of late, I have lost traction as well.  Like you, I know exactly what I want/have to write, so it isn't writer's block.  I wrote the first 45 chapters of my novel in the span of 8 months.  The subsequent 5 have taken a few months alone.

Whenever I have trouble writing, I run outlines through in my head, type them down, and day dream the scenes in my head.  That, coupled with re-reading the story, usually motivates me enough to write a few paragraphs.

However, I haven also taken a good week break from writing on occassion, just to clear the system.  Then I'll listen to some of that music that I love to play while writing, and I'll churn out a few more paragraphs.  I then use [insert fight scene] or [insert dialogue with char x] in whatever scene as a place holder, just to move along.

I find it a whole lot easier to edit and adjust even that, as opposed to writing something fresh all in one go.  Oddly enough, this has occurred only now that I'm near the end of the story.

I suppose part of the reason is that I don't want to say goodbye to the lore.  That's probably why my next fic is fleshing itself out so thoroughly in my head already.  The same thing happens whenever I approach the end of a good anime/tv series, I stall out on the ending (unless I have high hopes for rewatchability).

Maybe you'll find that spark by doing a quick side project.  I know that working on bits and pieces of my next fic has kickstarted the old engine a few times (although I keep from going full force into it, until I finish my current one).

At any rate, don't neglect your health, physical or mental.  Do what you need to get yourself right, and let what you do for fun take care of itself.

I have said this before, but at one time in my life, my backlog of games was so bad, beating them was like work.  It took my father telling me that I didn't seem to be having any fun to break me out of the funk, whereupon I found something else to actually unwind with (racquetball, at the time).

Perhaps you are just fatigued, and need to take a break.  Maybe it's not even a break from writing, just that story.  At any rate, best of luck to you, I hope it all resolves itself out!

EDIT: PS - I have been pondering whether it'd be a good idea to pawn off the writing of a few chapters to my beta.  How it worked in my last story (which was co-authored), was that we switched chapters we were having trouble writing.

Once the draft was given to me, I was able to completely re-adjust it (so much so, it wasn't even the same chapter anymore).  I know it sounds funny, as it was likely more work adjusting the chapter to fit my needs, vs writing it fresh, but that's what I needed to get that scene created.

My co-author, more or less, did the same thing.  If you trust someone enough to critique in that way, or basically lay the groundwork for how they would do it, perhaps that could help too.

What is keeping me from doing it is that my beta (who was the co-author in the last story), is (rightly) concerned about trying to write the close-to-ending chapters to my story, however extensive the notes and outlines are.  She isn't upset that I'll completely husk and tear the writing to fix my needs.  However, all those plots are living in my head, and she doesn't want to trample on them, which I can respect.

Most authors, myself included, have a singular vision for their works.  As such, it doesn't lend itself to such lending out, barring collaborative works.  Still, if that's an exercise you care to engage in, perhaps there's another option for you.

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Drussius wrote...

Okay... Sorry to put the thread on a serious track and/or fill it with personal complaints, but I'd like to get some thoughts on rekindling motivation.

I suffer from mental health issues that I won't get into here, but over the past year or so, things have been getting steadily worse. So much so, in fact, that I am considering going back into therapy and getting back on medication, something that I have avoided for twelve years now because the meds made me feel like I was living in a fog and interfered with both my focus and ability to think clearly. The problem I am currently having is that as things get worse, worries about life, how my kids would handle me being on meds (my youngest is too young to even remember what I was like on them), and similar worries are bringing on depression and a serious lack of motivation. Posted Image

I know that I could never hold myself to the schedule I set for my first fic when I start writing a new one. I updated every 4-5 days like clockwork for 10 months straight, and I wouldn't hold myself to a schedule like that again even under ideal circumstances. The problem is, while I have ideas rolling around in my head, life issues are seriously stifling my creativity. It's not really writer's block. I have ideas. I think about story ideas for at least a few minutes every day. But I find myself really struggling to build up the enthusiasm to actually write. When I actually power up my laptop with the intention of writing, by the time it finishes booting up, I'm already thinking, "Meh. I'm just not up for this now... Guess I'll just shut it down." And it's really difficult to imagine getting into any sort of writing flow while I'm so stressed out that I have felt nauseous for literally five straight days now. Posted Image

This is the longest I have gone without writing something since I was about 11. My fic was finished in May. It is now August and I literally haven't written one word in the interim. And I just don't feel like writing is going to turn out anything good while I'm essentially forcing myself to write something... and I haven't even been able to get as far as actually typing a single line of a new story.


So, my question to you all is:

or, a question in the case the wall of text above prompted a tl;dr reaction:

How do you build the enthusiasm to write when you actually have ideas, but serious real life worries are killing your motivation and focus?


That's a difficult question to answer, if I'm going to be honest. I'm sorry you're experiencing this...that sort of stress, uncertainty and depression aren't strangers to me, but I've never had to deal with having dependents to worry about. Whenever I've taken to trying to help get back on the horse or whatever, it's always been this mess of trial and error, knowing if I messed up, it wouldn't mean anything. And I've had something of the opposite problem, for most of my life, spending the vast, vast majority of my life in a horrendous place both mentally and physically, but right now...in general...I'm relatively happy and in a good place.

Eventually got on some meds and ran myself through some exercises that helped clear much of that away, but I still have episodes here and there. Most of my episodes have been "Oh crap, do I have enough money for both rent AND meds this month? I have finals, if i don't have my meds, I'll bomb everything and I'll lose my shot at grad school and my chance at ever finding a job that pays a living wage, which I'll need to afford rent and meds.", or something along those lines, and it generally resulted in me finding it very atrociously difficult to write. Because even if I wasn't in a position, at that moment, to improve my situation, my focus would be stuck there, and I'd have zero motivation to do anything but worry and predict what bad outcomes I'd have to deal with.

One thing that worked for me, and i don't know if it'll be applicable to you, but really focus on your real life troubles. Figure out what you can tackle right now, what you can change to improve your situation, even if it's tiny and only filled with the potential of improvement. And then, in the wake of that, write. You might be able to ride that high of relief for long enough to feel your way into writing something, and sometimes, if you can dive into that topic enough, it can work as an outlet for some of that stress. It's just the getting started process that's tremendously difficult, I find.

Just focus on small things that seem indefinite, I figure. They're the things that cause people the most stress, not the big life changes that occur over a short period of time. Therapy, if you can afford it without causing more stress than would be relieved, is a good idea. Having the tools to work through your worries and issues is important. No one wants to be stagnant within their troubles. I know that some medication creates bad side-effects, especially combinations. If you do take that route, work with your doctor to see if you can't find different pills that might provide you with a better outlook when it comes to side-effects.

In any case, I wish you well, and I hope that you come across some well deserved luck :)

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Drussius wrote...

How do you build the enthusiasm to write when you actually have ideas, but serious real life worries are killing your motivation and focus?


@ Drussius:

I'm sorry to hear what you're dealing with, but first of all, like Seracen told you, do take care of your health. I imagine it must be hard, especially if you consider your kids' reaction, but I imagine it would be worse for them if you don't do whatever it's necessary to get better. If you hadn't needed the medication for years, chances are that you might need it for a while and then stop needing it again. And don't be sorry for discussing personal issues here, we're all human and we wish to help each other. Unless some of us are turian or asari. But we'd still wish to help :P

Regarding your schedule, of course you need to adjust to whatever schedule works for you. I have a "one chapter every other week" schedule and my readers are fine with that (well, they are not, but they cannot force me to write any sooner so they adjust). I write really fast but the problem is finding the time to actually sit and write a new chapter, between work, the other work, family issues, the other family issues, etc.

I find writing to be liberating, that's why I keep doing it. I started writing poetry and short tales when I was six years old. However, I had some periods in which I wouldn't write a word in months because of personal issues. What I did to motivate myself to write again, was to think about any personal situation I was going through, and sublimate it in a character, then write about the character. It helped me deal with my own issues, and at the same time, since the events were happening to someone else and I did alter enough things to make it less personal, I didn't feel overwhelmed from my own situation. For instance, I lived with an ex boyfriend that sometimes really got me on my nerves, to the point that we would throw stuff at each other. I couldn't afford to live on my own, and going back to my parent's house would have been nightmare (and indeed it was nightmare when the situation became so extreme that I had to return to their home for a while). So what I did was to create this character who was an IRA terrorist but had been captured and was doing time in jail, but she missed her daughter, and her cellmate would always get her on her nerves. I wrote about how she felt and about minor incidents that would happen to her in jail. Sometimes I also wrote about her daughter and how she was doing in foster care (badly of course, and she missed her mother). By focusing in what was happening to them, my own problems didn't seem so big or hard to handle, but I could relate to those characters enough to keep on writing about them, especially if something bad happened in my own life.

What I do now to motivate myself to write is to actually try to get inside my main character's mind, feel the way she feels and think the way she thinks. Being "her" for a while keeps me focused and wanting to type what's happening to her, even if I don't actually write down what she's feeling (and yes, the main character is always "she", because I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I could ever know how a man feels or thinks :D )

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Thanks for the thoughts and ideas. As I said, my last fic was finished in May, and I haven't written a single word since. I have ideas, but not the will to begin working on them. My big issue isn't a feeling of being pressured to write, so much as the nagging idea that if I was able to write, which is something I've always enjoyed, it might help to alleviate some of the other stress that has been building up and causing me some serious problems of late.

I hate the idea of going back on meds. The truth is, I never should have gone off them and my doctor warned me at the time that my issues were likely to rebound without corrective medication, but as I said previously, being on them was like living in a fog, and those were the most palatable ones I was on at the time. The worst turned me into a narcoleptic who slept for 15+ hours a day and was prone to falling asleep midstride during the few hours I was awake. I can only hope that modern meds are a bit more refined, since they've had over 10 years to improve them since I was last on them.

But anyway, the point is, I am almost desperate on some level to work up the will to start writing again because it has been my main outlet for expression and relaxation for 26 years now. I may be entirely off in my expectations, though. Maybe it won't help me at all given the situation. But any relief I can get is a good thing at present. If I could just work up the motivation to try and find out one way or the other...

Edit: Now that I think of it, maybe a part of my problem with the motivation is the fear that it won't actually help me to relax any. The longer I put it off, the more I can enjoy the hope that it will help, rather than risk the reality that it won't... Posted Image

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Drussius wrote...

But anyway, the point is, I am almost desperate on some level to work up the will to start writing again because it has been my main outlet for expression and relaxation for 26 years now. I may be entirely off in my expectations, though. Maybe it won't help me at all given the situation. But any relief I can get is a good thing at present. If I could just work up the motivation to try and find out one way or the other...

Edit: Now that I think of it, maybe a part of my problem with the motivation is the fear that it won't actually help me to relax any. The longer I put it off, the more I can enjoy the hope that it will help, rather than risk the reality that it won't... Posted Image


I do believe that writing will help you to relieve some stress. Of course, it won't be a magical solution, but it will help. To every person I know that ever was in therapy, the doctor told them to write their feelings. I find annoying and petty to write my own feelings, so I write character's feelings and for me it really alleviates tension. Also, my characters always have more interesting lifes than myself, and I feel more motivated to write about them as a result :D
Why not start small? You don't need to start a whole new big project. Write a one-shot, a small scene around two or three characters, a conversation between them, even. Find an image or picture you like and describe what's happening. I think that will help you with the anxiety you feel about the writing process and whether it will help you to alleviate stress or not.
Good luck! And do tell us if you succeed :)