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[Seracen]

MrStoob wrote...

You know... I'm surprised sometimes. I'd posted some of my short Skyrim musings on a Steam writers' forum and one of the guys who runs it put a comment on about the 'sexual content' and how some of the group are uncomfortable with it, suggesting a re-write. There are no 'sexual acts' and barely even 'slap and tickle', but there are playful scenes and nudity, all pretty naively presented. Now, I've dealt with it diplomatically thus far but this irks me. For one, Skyrim is clearly a 'Mature' game. For two, I'd expect broader minds from a writing/reading community. I'm certainly not going to censor my work and if it comes to it, I'll just remove it from the group. Incidentally, there's a humorous tavern song in the piece, extolling the virtues of the 'girls of Solitude' that is probably the most explicit part of it, but no-one had issue with that. I wonder more if the overly-sensitive politically correct brigade can't handle a free-spirited sexualised female and are unsure how to react lol. "What? A naturist girl? Sexist!" and so on.

Per your previous blurb, I also face hijinks concerning "strange terminology."  I can certainly understand the Latin root for your phrasing.  In my own previous works, I had more than a few times where the readers asked "WTH" about certain words, etc.

However, one of my readers said it best "it's great review for the SAT!"  Besides, literature is supposed to improve our vocabulary.  I'd leave it up to the discretion of the readers whether they choose to understand or not.

Concerning the "risque" factor of your Skyrim fic, I sympathize.  To be fair, I suppose I'd have to look at the rules and preferences of the forum.  However, I WOULD NOT change the actual content of your writing.  Instead, I might post the "offending" portion it in spoilers , or leave a link to an alternate posting.

This is how I considered getting around one of the "lemon" fics that I was challenged to write, as the preceeding 3 chapters were not of that nature.  I ended up not caring, and posting the whole thing as "M."  The audience can enjoy it in their own way and pace, IMO.

I feel the only real obligation author's have is to produce a quality bit of work, with well thought out progression, and a logical/satisfying resolution.  Obviously, I won't discuss the ME3 ending, as that's bludgeoning a necrified horse's mummy...

Barring that, the nature of the content is up to your own discretion.  Therefore, you shouldn't feel obliged to censor yourself, in terms of changing the story.  Spoilers and alt chapters are another thing, but you shouldn't have to change your actual content.

Sorry, I get on my soapbox whenever a discussion of "censorship" arises.

Modifié par Seracen, 05 septembre 2013 - 09:42 .

[MrStoob]

Seracen wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

You know... I'm surprised sometimes. I'd posted some of my short Skyrim musings on a Steam writers' forum and one of the guys who runs it put a comment on about the 'sexual content' and how some of the group are uncomfortable with it, suggesting a re-write. There are no 'sexual acts' and barely even 'slap and tickle', but there are playful scenes and nudity, all pretty naively presented. Now, I've dealt with it diplomatically thus far but this irks me. For one, Skyrim is clearly a 'Mature' game. For two, I'd expect broader minds from a writing/reading community. I'm certainly not going to censor my work and if it comes to it, I'll just remove it from the group. Incidentally, there's a humorous tavern song in the piece, extolling the virtues of the 'girls of Solitude' that is probably the most explicit part of it, but no-one had issue with that. I wonder more if the overly-sensitive politically correct brigade can't handle a free-spirited sexualised female and are unsure how to react lol. "What? A naturist girl? Sexist!" and so on.

Per your previous blurb, I also face hijinks concerning "strange terminology."  I can certainly understand the Latin root for your phrasing.  In my own previous works, I had more than a few times where the readers asked "WTH" about certain words, etc.

However, one of my readers said it best "it's great review for the SAT!"  Besides, literature is supposed to improve our vocabulary.  I'd leave it up to the discretion of the readers whether they choose to understand or not.

Concerning the "risque" factor of your Skyrim fic, I sympathize.  To be fair, I suppose I'd have to look at the rules and preferences of the forum.  However, I WOULD NOT change the actual content of your writing.  Instead, I might post the "offending" portion it in spoilers , or leave a link to an alternate posting.

This is how I considered getting around one of the "lemon" fics that I was challenged to write, as the preceeding 3 chapters were not of that nature.  I ended up not caring, and posting the whole thing as "M."  The audience can enjoy it in their own way and pace, IMO.

I feel the only real obligation author's have is to produce a quality bit of work, with well thought out progression, and a logical/satisfying resolution.  Obviously, I won't discuss the ME3 ending, as that's bludgeoning a necrified horse's mummy...

Barring that, the nature of the content is up to your own discretion.  Therefore, you shouldn't feel obliged to censor yourself, in terms of changing the story.  Spoilers and alt chapters are another thing, but you shouldn't have to change your actual content.

Sorry, I get on my soapbox whenever a discussion of "censorship" arises.

Well a re-write/censor of the piece is quite frankly not going to happen.  I'm quite annoyed just at the suggestion at all from the guy.  The piece is nowhere near even coming close to 'lemon', there's just a bit of 'seaside humour' and boob gags. Right now, I'm half-tempted just to overwrite each chapter with the word (capitalised...) 'CENSORED' and leave the group.

The protesting post is not very clear on what specifically is the problem.  As far as I can tell, they seem to be uncomfortable with 'sexuality', despite there being no 'sex' nor any lingering descriptions on well, anything!  At one point, the Dragonborn is about to see the Greybeards and pushes up her boobs to make an impressive cleavage, saying, "May as well give 'em something to gawk at, eh?".  That's about as strong as it gets.

[Efvie]

If the board feels the content is not suitable for it, then I don’t think you should push it there… but, of course, it may well just be one or two people taking offense. Hopefully others will come to your defense.


(Funnily enough I’m in the middle of a very nice Skyrim RP that’s kinda once again turning into a co-written story…)

Modifié par Efvie, 06 septembre 2013 - 04:56 .

[MrStoob]

Well in light of some other 'incidents' on the Steam Community, and because the readers seemed incapable of review/critique, which it transpires would have been enough for what their issues are, but would rather go crying to the group mod with vagueries, I just removed it. No skin off my nose TBH.

Anyway, sorry to be off topic, the whole incident just annoyed my a) stubborn side, sensibilities.

[Seracen]

I'd be annoyed as well, but it's better than getting the ban hammer, I suppose. Well, there's other areas to post it I guess, perhaps even make a separate thread, if there's no qualms.

[MeredithvL]

Well, a lot of people are sensitive that way, even though they played games with M rating. For instance, when I was looking for a beta reader for my story, I contacted a guy that said that he would absolutely not read any implied sex scenes even if it was kissing and then "fading to black" unless the characters were legally married, and then he'd only tolerate that if it happen once or twice in the story (my story so far is 44 chapters long). I was surprised, because during ME2 and ME3 sex is implied several times with Garrus and femShep (which is my pairing) but this guy wouldn't read any of that unless they got married.

[enayasoul]

MeredithvL wrote...

Well, a lot of people are sensitive that way, even though they played games with M rating. For instance, when I was looking for a beta reader for my story, I contacted a guy that said that he would absolutely not read any implied sex scenes even if it was kissing and then "fading to black" unless the characters were legally married, and then he'd only tolerate that if it happen once or twice in the story (my story so far is 44 chapters long). I was surprised, because during ME2 and ME3 sex is implied several times with Garrus and femShep (which is my pairing) but this guy wouldn't read any of that unless they got married.

Wow!  My maleShep and Miranda have had a lot premartial sex.  He definitely wouldn't like mine. :P

[enayasoul]

MrStoob wrote...

Well in light of some other 'incidents' on the Steam Community, and because the readers seemed incapable of review/critique, which it transpires would have been enough for what their issues are, but would rather go crying to the group mod with vagueries, I just removed it. No skin off my nose TBH.

Anyway, sorry to be off topic, the whole incident just annoyed my a) stubborn side, sensibilities.

They sound like prunes.  Meaning skittish of anything dealing with sex.   
I'm so glad my mother isn't embarrassed about talking about it.  Father on the other hand will leave the room. 

[MrStoob]

enayasoul wrote...
Father on the other hand will leave the room. 

To be fair, no matter how open-minded one might be, discussing and unavoidably visualizing your daughter around the subject is just way too weird for most.

To give the final conclusion to my tale of woe, the guy who started the group and who contacted me about it, eventually came on on a rant.  Not at me.  But that he'd been put in that scenario and allowed himself to be.  Seems he'd had similar treatment in the past.  So he was quite aggressive in stating that it's no holds barred with the stories from now on (lemons notwithstanding...), complete with cries of **** IT!!!.  Shame really, as I say in the post above, I'd already deleted the work.

I've been banned for a month for an unrelated matter anyway lol.  I just can't help pushing them boundaries with my suspect Skyrim images... I'm going to get a reputation at this rate, in the old-fashioned sense of the word.

Modifié par MrStoob, 07 septembre 2013 - 09:12 .

[Seracen]

enayasoul wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Well in light of some other 'incidents' on the Steam Community, and because the readers seemed incapable of review/critique, which it transpires would have been enough for what their issues are, but would rather go crying to the group mod with vagueries, I just removed it. No skin off my nose TBH.

Anyway, sorry to be off topic, the whole incident just annoyed my a) stubborn side, sensibilities.

They sound like prunes.  Meaning skittish of anything dealing with sex.   
I'm so glad my mother isn't embarrassed about talking about it.  Father on the other hand will leave the room. 

Prunes?!  Well, they ARE supposed to be healthy for you! 

Anyhoo, I don't really consider myself prudish either, however, I don't enforce the same rules on others as I do for myself.  Oddly enough, my first story didn't have much in the way of premarital sex.  My ME fic has plenty of it.

However, Shep and his romances aren't going anywhere, so the only reason they HAVEN'T gotten married yet is b/c I really have no desire to ham it up with a wedding scene.

Although, if I ever did, I WOULD TOTALLY crib off the notes of one fanfic I read a long time ago, wherein it was a marriage of three individuals...

"I now pronounce you...uh...married...you may kiss the brides..." 

Hilarious, but I just cringe at the thought of doing it.  It's a whole lot more fun to leave it in this nebulous state of PTSD support circle that isn't really questioned.

Anyhoo, back on track, it sucks that you had to remove the story Stoob, but hey, I always find forums a place to garner ideas and discuss, it's never really been a successful venue to post my stories...

PS: thanks for the Ao3 invite, finally got the thing to work!

[MrStoob]

Seracen wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Well in light of some other 'incidents' on the Steam Community, and because the readers seemed incapable of review/critique, which it transpires would have been enough for what their issues are, but would rather go crying to the group mod with vagueries, I just removed it. No skin off my nose TBH.

Anyway, sorry to be off topic, the whole incident just annoyed my a) stubborn side, sensibilities.

They sound like prunes.  Meaning skittish of anything dealing with sex.   
I'm so glad my mother isn't embarrassed about talking about it.  Father on the other hand will leave the room. 

Prunes?!  Well, they ARE supposed to be healthy for you! 

Anyhoo, I don't really consider myself prudish either, however, I don't enforce the same rules on others as I do for myself.  Oddly enough, my first story didn't have much in the way of premarital sex.  My ME fic has plenty of it.

However, Shep and his romances aren't going anywhere, so the only reason they HAVEN'T gotten married yet is b/c I really have no desire to ham it up with a wedding scene.

Although, if I ever did, I WOULD TOTALLY crib off the notes of one fanfic I read a long time ago, wherein it was a marriage of three individuals...

"I now pronounce you...uh...married...you may kiss the brides..." 

Hilarious, but I just cringe at the thought of doing it.  It's a whole lot more fun to leave it in this nebulous state of PTSD support circle that isn't really questioned.

Anyhoo, back on track, it sucks that you had to remove the story Stoob, but hey, I always find forums a place to garner ideas and discuss, it's never really been a successful venue to post my stories...

PS: thanks for the Ao3 invite, finally got the thing to work!

Cool on AO3.

The whole of the Skyrim Steam Community area's gone a bit bat**** recently.  There's a divide of what is suitable for screenshots.  As you prob know, there's lots of mods to 'beautify' your character but some only want to see 'game' images, not 'glamour photo shoots'.  I started an alternative thread for more 'titillating' images but people felt compelled to continue on the non-pinups thread.  Nerd politics eh?  

Same as BSN really.  The company peddles sex and violence, but then cries foul when the fans want to do the same, as they haven't provided an area suitable (i.e. secure).  TBH, that's the internet all over; no place for grown ups.  Seems some will only be happy when any images that contains a bare leg or bum are forced into the 'Rule 34' area of the internet, which is just wrong.

Modifié par MrStoob, 08 septembre 2013 - 07:23 .

[Seracen]

I was really conflicted when I originally posted me ME3 alternate ending on FF.net, as that site no longer allows "choose your own adventure" stories. Apparently, there is some legal faux-pas about writing something that could be considered smut or ultra-violent, and then having a minor reading it and inserting themselves into the story thusly.

It sort of amounts to those chick-tracks against playing pen and paper RPG's (like dungeons and dragons), although here the term "statutory rape" is bandied about.  It's sort of how extreme griefing and certain behavior in MMO's can lead to legal proceedings. I suppose I can see the logic behind the wrong groups reading/engaging in such content, but if it has am "M" tag...I don't see the problem.

At any rate, as the multi-path story was simply a result for SHEPARD that was predicated on the choices a player could make, it wasn't "reader insertion choose your own adventure." Therefore, I had no problem putting it up there.

Anyways, it was still all a bit odd. However, I think this is part of our culture. Those who are now the adults and the wage earners have an understanding for geek culture and it's products. However, the previous generation and policy makers are still of the generation before, and don't quite know how to handle it.

Nobody can fathom how to handle the responsibilities, and we get this odd dichotomy as a result...where adults dealing with mature subject matter must obsess over self-censorship in an attempt to appease and appeal to anyone possible (or to show responsibility). Movies went through this a while ago (and television continues to do so), and music radio before THAT (check out the film "Pirate Radio").

Moreover, if this new Amazon self-publishing for authors does well, it'll be an entirely new world in the realm of fanfiction...

Modifié par Seracen, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:34 .

[Seracen]

Moving back on-topic...how many AU's do the rest of you have in terms of WRITING?


Personally, I think I'd cap myself at 3 (male, female, and crossover). Any oneshot's I'd do would likely take place within these confines.

Personally, more than a couple of AU's would get cumbersome to write about. However, if it was a series of non-connected short stories, I suppose such a thing would NEVER have to be addressed, barring a blurb at the beginning outlining the game choices.

Modifié par Seracen, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:40 .

[MrStoob]

Well depends what you'd call a full 'AU'. I've dozens of mini-shorts that deal with different outcomes, Shep alive/dead post ME3, just the one with a Sheploo, scenes that couldn't work in my main but I wrote anyway coz I liked the idea, that sort of thing. Oh, and one where my Para!Shep meets my Rene!Shep in the most vague of circumstances just so I could make them interact lol.

Full ongoing things, two.  

Modifié par MrStoob, 08 septembre 2013 - 10:14 .

[Efvie]

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[MeredithvL]

Seracen wrote...

I was really conflicted when I originally posted me ME3 alternate ending on FF.net, as that site no longer allows "choose your own adventure" stories.

(snip)

At any rate, as the multi-path story was simply a result for SHEPARD that was predicated on the choices a player could make, it wasn't "reader insertion choose your own adventure." Therefore, I had no problem putting it up there.

That will be my problem too sometime in the future for my main fanfic, since Shepard will be able to make a decision (or not) that will change her path forever, even leading to interacting with different characters that will of course offer different ideas for the solution of her future problems. The thing is, will I dare to put that in FF.net? Did you have any problem with that, with the site admins or users I mean?

About the AU question, currently I have one full AU with the First Contact War lasting longer and Reapers taking still a few more decades or even perhaps a century to appear, and two post ME3 stories that you could say that are sort of AU. One, my main fic, is about my take on the Indoctrination Theory, so everything happened in the three games as we played them except for the ending, that was all hallucination in Shepard's mind. The other is: everything happened exactly like in the three games, including the endings and all the DLCs as provided, except for one thing: Shepard could catch the hand of her clone and didn't let the clone die. Shepard never saw her clone again, since the clone was taken into custody by the Alliance, but after the war the clone is alive...

Modifié par MeredithvL, 09 septembre 2013 - 03:54 .

[MrStoob]

Does it count as AU if what you are writing can't be proved as fitting canon one way or the other? lol

I think I probably to do that more than genuine 'AU', associations or incidents that were never in the games but could easily be fair enough, like Zaeed and Vido being some of the pirates Liara fought on her early digs (which ties in later to the Zorya mission and some other stuff) or Samara encountering a distraught Liara on Thessia after the Normandy's destruction, stuff like that. People like the characters BW created, so I use them where I can for cameos and whatnot rather than OCs. Nothing against OCs, I have a few of course, but you know, as long as it's not too contrived, someone somewhere will be pleasantly surprised by the appearance of a well liked character.

[hot_heart]

Au? I wouldn't even class my writing as Bronze-standard.

[Seracen]

MeredithvL wrote...

Seracen wrote...

I was really conflicted when I originally posted me ME3 alternate ending on FF.net, as that site no longer allows "choose your own adventure" stories.

(snip)

At any rate, as the multi-path story was simply a result for SHEPARD that was predicated on the choices a player could make, it wasn't "reader insertion choose your own adventure." Therefore, I had no problem putting it up there.

That will be my problem too sometime in the future for my main fanfic, since Shepard will be able to make a decision (or not) that will change her path forever, even leading to interacting with different characters that will of course offer different ideas for the solution of her future problems. The thing is, will I dare to put that in FF.net? Did you have any problem with that, with the site admins or users I mean?

[SNIP] Shepard could catch the hand of her clone and didn't let the clone die. Shepard never saw her clone again, since the clone was taken into custody by the Alliance, but after the war the clone is alive...

Interesting idea for that AU!  Anyhoo, concerning the status of that story...

Well, I got over 2000 hits on my ME3 Multipath fic the week I posted it.  I'm not making any statement, just saying that if I was going to have any problems with the content of the story, I likely would have had it within those first few weeks.

Thankfully, my experience with the story has been nothing but postive, both in user feedback and the writing process itself.  Again, I made sure to put a disclaimer in my beginning Author's Notes, asserting that this wasn't a "Reader Insertion," which is the offender per their site rules.

On that note, I find it odd that they no longer want people to upload author's notes as a separate chapter.  I am fine incorporating it into the margins of the chapter itself...but that big info dump at the bookend chapters is just odd.

In terms of the metrics for this story, it's difficult to tell which favorite romance people had...as Miranda's is the last chapter, but also has the Notes.

Liara got the most hits, followed by Tali.  This is a variable ending outcome, so that makes sense.  But EVERYONE who was interested in the process would then have to go to Miranda's chapter JUST to read the Notes.

I dunno how militant FF.net is about enforcing these rules, as they haven't taken down my alternate account that DIDN'T adhere to the new policies (of course, that was created prior to the policies in the first place).  Still, I'd cover your bases and put any and all disclaimers beforehand.

[Seracen]

MrStoob wrote...

Does it count as AU if what you are writing can't be proved as fitting canon one way or the other? lol

Why not?  Haha. 

I use the term "AU" loosely here, as EVERY playthrough of the ME series is an Alternate Universe, if we factor in different choices.  As such, I even consider the "official canon" itself as AU.

Consider the DC animated film "Crisis on Two Earths."  I'd consider whatever BW states as canon for ME as "Earth Prime" and all the other variants, fan creations, etc, to have stemmed off from that.  Each is unique, sometimes with differences so minor, they are indistinguishable.

In a series where choice is so important, they are all just as valid.

hot_heart wrote...

Au? I wouldn't even class my writing as Bronze-standard. 

Pish!  Lies and slander! 

[Ignis Mors]

 Meant to post about this when I first saw the AU talk come up yesterday, and I have this to say. Everything I write fanfiction-wise is AU. In Meus Mundus, I've changed the origins of the reapers, the Leviathans, the relays. Created a turian equivalent of Cerberus, a shadowy organization Shep's clone from the Citadel DLC works for, added some stuff regarding Indoctrination that fails, and that's not even the craziest stuff. (The krogan are going to actually have a gun that shoots thresher maws at reapers.)
As for my other ME fic, I'm going to be doing some expanding on the whole Beings of Light thing mentioned a couple of times in planet descriptions. And, there's going to be leviathan sushi at the end.

[Seracen]

Ignis Mors wrote...

[snip]

(The krogan are going to actually have a gun that shoots thresher maws at reapers.)

As for my other ME fic, I'm going to be doing some expanding on the whole Beings of Light thing mentioned a couple of times in planet descriptions. And, there's going to be leviathan sushi at the end.

Hah, I remember when we first started discussing that.  I am fully looking forward to seeing it in written form!

[MeredithvL]

@Seracen : Thank you for your answer! I will put a disclaimer when I branch my fic. That won't happen for a long time, however, if things go according to plan.

About AU... I consider AU anything that isn't official canon in the games. For instance maleShep/Tali romance is not AU because it can happen in the games, but femShep/Tali romance would be AU. Still, that would be a minor change. A major change would be to totally ignore the Leviathans and how the Reapers started and create another origin and function for the Reapers, like I do in "Symphony of grief and hope", but to be fair I started writing that story even before the Extended Cut came out, so of course every other DLC that came after didn't make it to the story.

@MrStoob : I try to balance the quantity of OCs and cameos from established characters, since cutting in the quantity of OCs in favor to include established characters all the time, gives me the sensation that the story will be a little too much "small world". By including OCs I open the world and try to give the sensation that the galaxy is huge and populated with a lot of people, but also I try not to make the OCs too important. Sometimes I don't name the OCs, like just mentioning "there were twenty people in the room" and sometimes I give them names even if they only show up for one phrase in the story. Also, I have some recurrent OCs, or I flesh out characters that were just mentioned in the canon. For instance, I have Sarah Williams as part of Shepard's new crew, but Sarah was only mentioned once in ME1 and had a 2 minutes appearance in ME3 only if Ashley was alive. Still, I created a personality and back story for her, and what did she do after her sister died. I find it fun and I think people can relate if they remember that the character even existed.


@Ignis Mors : I SO want to eat Leviathan sushi right now, but in real life!! Is it too expensive? I think I could eat that with a side of dragon meat. I wanted to eat dragon meat since I was seven and saw a movie about dragons eating people.

[Ignis Mors]

@Seracen. It's still a ways out, sadly. (Going to happen during my take on the reaper occupation of Tuchanka. Which is probably twenty or more chapters out. Wrex'll get the idea after another chat Shep has with Kalros.)
@Meredith. I haven't decided the price yet. I'm thinking something like the Mass Effect credits equivalent of beef wellington. AKA, really, really, really pricy.

*edit. You've got a better memory than, I then Seracen. I don't really remember that. Or, did I mention it when looking for help regarding the Kalros talking with Shep scene?

Modifié par Ignis Mors, 10 septembre 2013 - 03:00 .

[Seracen]

Ignis Mors wrote...

@Seracen. It's still a ways out, sadly. (Going to happen during my take on the reaper occupation of Tuchanka. Which is probably twenty or more chapters out. Wrex'll get the idea after another chat Shep has with Kalros.)
@Meredith. I haven't decided the price yet. I'm thinking something like the Mass Effect credits equivalent of beef wellington. AKA, really, really, really pricy.

*edit. You've got a better memory than, I then Seracen. I don't really remember that. Or, did I mention it when looking for help regarding the Kalros talking with Shep scene?

I remember that one as well!  It was two seperate conversations close together.  I think we were talking with Drussius and Stoob about something, which lead to strange ways of taking down the Reapers.

We were talking about the Rachni and other unlikely races that somehow managed to survive in space.  We established that the Maws were among them, considering how they show up on multiple planets.  One of us even suggested that they may have survived a few cycles, just like the Rachni.

One thing led to another, and eventually you said that Wrex would likely try to figure out how to turn Thresher Maws into projectiles in order to take down the Reapers.  We all went @_@ ... "THAT'S EPIC!!!"

Then, in a later conversation, I suggested hive mind telepathy was how "advanced" Maws might communicate, much like the Rachni queen or the Thorian (my exact example was Grave Mind from Halo).  It's still an interesting idea!

I may have to figure out a way to bring in the Thorian or Kalross in my next AU fic (it's still at the inception phase, and I am loathe to brainstorm on it while I am on break with the other story).


PS: Leviathan sushi should TOTALLY trip people out, similar to how pufferfish must be prepared (ie: it is poisonous if improperly cooked...but the toxins are trippy, so skilled chefs leave JUST a little bit in there, but not enough to kill you).

For that matter, I imagine that Kasumi would have some hilarious things to say about it!

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Kasumi:  Really Shep? <_<

Shep: What? 

Kasumi: Even your FOOD can kill you?  Don't you ever take a break?

Wrex: That's why Shepard is the greatest...

Shep: Why thanks Wrex, but I-

Wrex: Every moment is a struggle against death and danger...(s)he's braver/crazier than most Krogan...which is why I made him/her an honorary one...

Kasumi: [laughs] That remings me, how many breeding proposals have you recieved from the Krogan embassy?

Wrex/Shep: [groan] Don't remind me... 

Shep's love interest the whole time: ... 
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Sorry...I had a moment there...

Modifié par Seracen, 10 septembre 2013 - 06:15 .