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^ The Wiki info on quarians is from the Codex. I simply choose to ignore it as far as ‘most similar’ goes, since apparently nobody’s seen a quarian or a picture of one for 300 years (:rolleyes:).

I’ve extrapolated a few details from the shape of the helmet, and filled in the rest with the codex info about bone structure and SPECULATION.

Their skull is elongated compared to humans, they have a tall neck, and their lower jaw is significantly smaller than ours. Plus they apparently have weird ear flaps.



Edit: in fact, here’s an image I drew as an exaggeration of the features. In ‘reality’, I’m toning it significantly toward humanoid instead of a cat/bunny. Apologies for the terrible art, I don’t usually draw:

https://p.twimg.com/...EuWVL.jpg:large

Modifié par lillitheris, 13 juin 2012 - 12:58 .


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I never really imagined what quarians might look like under their helmet (poor visual imagination - I write because I can't draw). But I used to think something like the following was possible:
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 Now, having contributed to the conversation I feel like I can humbly sumbit a request for feedback on my newest chapter (the one so many of you gave me advice about). The reviews I've been getting have been positive (hooray!) but I haven't gotten any suggestions on how to improve the writing (boo - because I know it's not perfect). So if you could have a peek and offer some constructive criticism, it would be much appreciated.

Chapter 12

Thanks.

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femshep.com will be holding a femshep ME3 fanfic contest very soon (there will be prizes) but I need some advice.  We already have the prompt and word count, but need a timetable. I'm thinking of a 5000 word limit and since everyone writes at their own pace I need to calculate a reasonable deadline. What would you guys recommend as a time table? A month? Two months?  Also, is 5000 too much or too little?  Thanks in advance!

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I've seen a number of very cool pieces of artwork about Quarians. And I recall Javik in the game saying that they were once considered among the most beautiful of all races, or something to that effect. As I said, I haven't seen the pic Bioware used, but I really never had a problem to them being considered "most similar" to humans. After all, Asari bone structure is similar to humans, and I think Asari look very alien and cool. Likewise, for Star Trek fans, many of the aliens on that series are similar in structure to humans, and yet many of them look significantly different still... with the exception of the Elves... uh, Vulcans :)

I'm stongly considering including a Quarian character in my first fanfic, and while I doubt I will even include a situation where a description outside of the suit will be needed, this is another example of my meticulous over-planning.

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JamieCOTC wrote...

femshep.com will be holding a femshep ME3 fanfic contest very soon (there will be prizes) but I need some advice.  We already have the prompt and word count, but need a timetable. I'm thinking of a 5000 word limit and since everyone writes at their own pace I need to calculate a reasonable deadline. What would you guys recommend as a time table? A month? Two months?  Also, is 5000 too much or too little?  Thanks in advance!


I entered one writing contest, but it was for a roleplaying forum run by close friends, so I don't really count that as public viewing, and it was all original characters. There was no word limit in the contest I entered, but because writing speeds and styles may vary, I'd suggest something along the lines of a month per 5000 words you want to impose as a limit.

I'm a maniac once I get working on something, and for the contest I entered I churned out 183,940 words in two months, but no one can expect that kind of work to be put into something on a short timeline. In my case it was simply a matter of being out of work, writing relentlessly, and really losing myself in the project.

Edit: The two paragraphs above that I wrote tally at 130 words. 5,000 words as the limit is going to be an extremely short story. Would probably equate to about 5-6 pages in MS word at most.

Modifié par Drussius, 13 juin 2012 - 01:39 .


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JamieCOTC wrote...

femshep.com will be holding a femshep ME3 fanfic contest very soon (there will be prizes) but I need some advice.  We already have the prompt and word count, but need a timetable. I'm thinking of a 5000 word limit and since everyone writes at their own pace I need to calculate a reasonable deadline. What would you guys recommend as a time table? A month? Two months?  Also, is 5000 too much or too little?  Thanks in advance!


5k sounds okay to me, but I find really long passages a bit overwhelming anyway hehe.  At the moment, I'm doing around 1500-2k words a day in long sessions of about 3 - 6 hours.  But as you say, that's just me.

I'd recommend putting a few hours aside a day, or as much as your lifestyle will withstand, and just start writing.  You should be able to gauge yourself from there after a little while.  Get the flow and whatnot how you want it without being TOO concerned about word count, then elaborate and expand where you think it needs it.

Says the complete noob amatuer, lol.

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JamieCOTC wrote...

femshep.com will be holding a femshep ME3 fanfic contest very soon (there will be prizes) but I need some advice.  We already have the prompt and word count, but need a timetable. I'm thinking of a 5000 word limit and since everyone writes at their own pace I need to calculate a reasonable deadline. What would you guys recommend as a time table? A month? Two months?  Also, is 5000 too much or too little?  Thanks in advance!


Echoing the above, I think 5000 is probably not enough for all stories…my personal rule is that < 10,000 is a ‘short’ story. That shouldn’t limit people too much — although, to not discourage anyone for whom the number might seem intimidating, you could word it so that you’re targeting a length of 2500 (?) - 5000 words, but anything above 0 and below 10,000 is OK?

A month is definitely going to be sufficient for a short story. I can write about 400 words an hour, though that’s apparently reasonably fast…but even counting 200 wph,  (which is not much more than the combined text in this post) 10-15 hours of writing within a month is certainly doable. Many submissions will be written in one night if they’ve got an idea ready.

Modifié par lillitheris, 13 juin 2012 - 01:57 .


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Thank you all very, very much for the feedback! I really do appreciate it!

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To contribute to the Quarian discussion: I honestly don't go anywhere near Quarian physical appearance. I think that a large part of the appeal is the mystery, so I never approach what's inside. As far as I'm concerned, the masks are their faces for all intents and purposes.

This also let's you have a little fun at the readers' expense, like this:

The group walked up to a much larger glass panel, looking in on what was clearly a medical facility. Beds lined each wall, each one occupied by a Quarian. Shepard looked to one side, where a patient sat up on his bed while a nurse, enclosed within a heavily fortified containment suit, tended to him. The patient had removed his helmet, allowing the nurse to check his eyes and ears, taking careful notes of any observations. Garrus and Kaidan paused before the glass, stealing a glance at the patient.

"Huh." Garrus muttered. "So that's what they look like. Go figure."

"Hey, Tali?" Kaidan asked, pointing at a certain feature on the patient's exposed face. "What do you use those for?"

"For smelling." The Quarian answered matter-of-factly. "Why? Don't you have them?"

"No." Kaidan sounded surprised. "Do you see any of those on me?"

"I- I thought Humans just had them somewhere inconspicuous." The little Admiral answered. "So how do Humans smell, then?"

"Pretty terrible, truth be told." Garrus replied with a deadpan voice.

"Hey!" Shepard retorted jovially.

"It's true!" Kal said, joining in. "Why do you think we Quarians are so happy that we can turn off the olfactory filters on these suits?"

The party chuckled for a few seconds. Eventually, Tali clapped her hands together.

"Come on, I want to show you our agri-centers next."



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Hey dpMeggers. Thanks for the review. I sent you a pm about some of your concerns.

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fainmaca wrote...

To contribute to the Quarian discussion: I honestly don't go anywhere near Quarian physical appearance. I think that a large part of the appeal is the mystery, so I never approach what's inside. As far as I'm concerned, the masks are their faces for all intents and purposes.

This also let's you have a little fun at the readers' expense, like this:

The group walked up to a much larger glass panel, looking in on what was clearly a medical facility. Beds lined each wall, each one occupied by a Quarian. Shepard looked to one side, where a patient sat up on his bed while a nurse, enclosed within a heavily fortified containment suit, tended to him. The patient had removed his helmet, allowing the nurse to check his eyes and ears, taking careful notes of any observations. Garrus and Kaidan paused before the glass, stealing a glance at the patient.

"Huh." Garrus muttered. "So that's what they look like. Go figure."

"Hey, Tali?" Kaidan asked, pointing at a certain feature on the patient's exposed face. "What do you use those for?"

"For smelling." The Quarian answered matter-of-factly. "Why? Don't you have them?"

"No." Kaidan sounded surprised. "Do you see any of those on me?"

"I- I thought Humans just had them somewhere inconspicuous." The little Admiral answered. "So how do Humans smell, then?"

"Pretty terrible, truth be told." Garrus replied with a deadpan voice.

"Hey!" Shepard retorted jovially.

"It's true!" Kal said, joining in. "Why do you think we Quarians are so happy that we can turn off the olfactory filters on these suits?"

The party chuckled for a few seconds. Eventually, Tali clapped her hands together.

"Come on, I want to show you our agri-centers next."


I agree that a big part of the appeal is the mystique. That said, I was torn when the subject came up pre-ME3 about whether or not we would see a Quarian unmasked in the game. Part of me was in the "It will be awesome to finally see a Quarian's face" camp, and part was "No, it will ruin the Quarian mystique, and I love them without even knowing!" camp.

I always imagined them as being very similar to humans, however, with perhaps a slightly elongated face, slightly modified features, etc. And this is an area I feel very awkward trying to cover in a story, because everyone probably has their own imagined idea of what a Quarian might look at if the Bioware creation is disregarded (which I was figuring most people probably do, given how many people complain about it).

If I did write a scene about it, I probably wouldn't go into specifics, much like your passage didn't. I guess it would depend on how relevant it was. But as ideas for my story crystallize in my head, I find myself thinking that a briefly-unsuited Quarian might end up in the story, so I thought I would get some opinions from other writers on the matter. I've perused a fair amount of fan artwork on the subject today, and my favorite picture so far has the Quarian in it looking almost human, much like I imagined they might look.

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Maybe not true of all Quarians, but if there's one thing I know about Tali it's that she has a honking great big nose. :P

Unless the character model alters to match your Shepard like that creepy unmasking pic...

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Agh, now I'm torn! Decisions, decisions. Since it's Miranda thinking it, I may opt for the 'oceans' one. I think that seems more in-character...

p.s. you guys rock.

Modifié par hot_heart, 13 juin 2012 - 04:45 .


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So.... if quarians and humans are similar looking and Javik says quarians were reknowned for their beauty....

That brings up a few questions:

Does Javik find humans and asari beautiful?

How were the quarians not part of the Prothean Empire if they were commonly accepted as beauties?

Were they interdicted like the yagh, so that they'd develop on their own?

Why didn't the protheans screw with their evolution like they did the asari and humans and hanar?

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I thought that the mystery would remain, no image would have satisfied EVERYONE, regardless of how well done.

The helmet-less Tali/Shep picture up there is one of my favourites also. We could always get an idea of their eyes and nose through the mask, so I'd assumed they wouldn't be completely alien. Although, I do like the top one posted by dpMeggers as well.

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hot_heart - I could see Miranda using that ocean submission as well.

Sialater - Javik was a BS'er in my view. Everything he said outside of the war I just took with a grain of salt. He really did like upsetting everyone!

Now for a question ... how would broken legs be mended in ME? Would there still be casts like today or a different type of bracing? Reason for question is that Joker has broken his leg and I've got him in the med bay. Bones normally take 6-8 weeks to heal but with his disease would it take longer?

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Possibly use the re-build of Shepard in ME2 as a guide? Her/his bones are smashed up and repaired by space magic nanite type things. But a protective cast or some modern equivalent would probably be needed also in Joker's case. The 'cast' in Starship Troopers that the beefy guy wears on his arm after getting it broken by the Sarge was pretty good I thought.

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MrStoob - Oh, space magic with a touch of medi-gel! Image IPB

I'm thinking a type of device that the injured leg is placed into that is 100% stationary. It takes just a week (or in Joker's case two) and then voila! The downside is that it keeps that person in med bay ... but that can also be an upside.

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Was Shepard rebuilt with nanites? That is interesting if so...

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hot_heart wrote...

Was Shepard rebuilt with nanites? That is interesting if so...


I'm only going off the images at the start of ME2 when they re-build her.  There were various nanitey type things flowing through her blood once they got the heart going and mini-clamps holding bits n bobs together.

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PMC65 wrote...
Now for a question ... how would broken legs be mended in ME? Would there still be casts like today or a different type of bracing? Reason for question is that Joker has broken his leg and I've got him in the med bay. Bones normally take 6-8 weeks to heal but with his disease would it take longer?


Hey PMC, Vrolik's seems to be the ME equivalent to osteogenesis imperfecta IRL. In short, bone healing rate is the same in OI compared to normal people, but they break more easily. If you want more specifics, I'm happy to share in a PM? Just let me know.

As for casts - I have no idea (got a pretty poor imagination), but I assume the plaster of paris we've been using for like... forever will have been replaced by then. Maybe some type of metal brace? If you want to for medically-accurate, be sure that the casts overlaps one joint above and one below. Also... different types of fractures have different approaches in orthopaedics today... screws, K-wires, casts (casts are considered conservative). Again, I can PM you more information if you want.

Best wishes with the writing :)

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MrStoob wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

Was Shepard rebuilt with nanites? That is interesting if so...


I'm only going off the images at the start of ME2 when they re-build her.  There were various nanitey type things flowing through her blood once they got the heart going and mini-clamps holding bits n bobs together.


I'd forgotten about that! Perhaps the idea I'd considered for my story and then discarded would be viable after all! Nanite-type technology DID seem to be present in that opening sequence.

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I am terrible at this editing thing.. sorry!

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hot_heart wrote...

almondroy wrote...
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If this is what I do for REAL INTERNET DOLLARS, you should see what I do for a Klondike bar [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

Agh, now I'm torn! Decisions, decisions. Since it's Miranda thinking it, I may opt for the 'oceans' one. I think that seems more in-character...


Technically, you can’t hit the ass-end of a maw, because it’s always underground.

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PMC65 wrote...

Now for a question ... how would broken legs be mended in ME? Would there still be casts like today or a different type of bracing? Reason for question is that Joker has broken his leg and I've got him in the med bay. Bones normally take 6-8 weeks to heal but with his disease would it take longer?


It might take him less time, because they’re particularly thin? I dunno, I’ve got breaks mostly healing in <week with medi-gel and space magic, braces where necessary.



Re: quarians, it really is silly that supposedly nobody knows what they look alike despite A) the extranet, B) dead/injured quarians, and most importantly C) they’ve only worn masks 300 years after having a presence on the Citadel for ~1900 years before that.