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[Seracen]

I dunno, for some reason, I don't feel like adding all the weird names to the dictionary, as if somehow it'll contaminate whenever I try to do academic writing, lol!

[Ignis Mors]

Seracen wrote...

I dunno, for some reason, I don't feel like adding all the weird names to the dictionary, as if somehow it'll contaminate whenever I try to do academic writing, lol!

I don't add Mass Effect or KotOR words to my dictionary more because I don't want to risk having anyone I know IRL discovering that I write fanfiction. They hold nothing but contempt for it.

Modifié par Ignis Mors, 19 janvier 2014 - 08:16 .

[Seracen]

Ignis Mors wrote...

Seracen wrote...

I dunno, for some reason, I don't feel like adding all the weird names to the dictionary, as if somehow it'll contaminate whenever I try to do academic writing, lol!

I don't add Mass Effect or KotOR words to my dictionary more because I don't want to risk having anyone I know IRL discovering that I write fanfiction. They hold nothing but contempt for it.

Man, sorry to hear that, that stuff is infuriating.

Luckily, I know enough people who are either ME fans, or understand the culture enough that it doesn't matter.

For the rest, I just say that I write novels as a hobby, if it comes up in conversation at all.

[hot_heart]

It's funny there's that stigma, because the new Star Trek and some of the new Sherlock feels like big-budget fanfiction.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Seracen wrote...

I dunno, for some reason, I don't feel like adding all the weird names to the dictionary, as if somehow it'll contaminate whenever I try to do academic writing, lol!

I wonder if you can copy the standard US English Dictionary in MS Word and just rename it to US English Fiction, and add the weird names to that one, and leave the standard one alone? That way your academic writing can stay pure. :innocent:

[hot_heart]

OK, well this is kind of awkward.

In my constant effort to challenge myself as a writer, I have included a...uh...'bedroom scene'. Now, it's not meant to be smut or kinkmeme or whatever; it, along with the 'pillow-talk', serves a story purpose. I would not be trying to write it from a woman's perspective otherwise...

However, I figure I should try and read something along similar lines to get a feel for the language and flow, etc. You know...research.

Problem is, I have no clue what or where or whatever, so I'm reliant on you guys to recommend things. And remember, no judging, on either side.

When I'm more comfortable (or as comfortable as I'll ever be...) with the initial draft of this section, I'll probably want some people to help make sure it reads alright, too. So you can PM me if you're interested in helping.

[fluffywalrus]

hot_heart wrote...

OK, well this is kind of awkward.

In my constant effort to challenge myself as a writer, I have included a...uh...'bedroom scene'. Now, it's not meant to be smut or kinkmeme or whatever; it, along with the 'pillow-talk', serves a story purpose. I would not be trying to write it from a woman's perspective otherwise...

However, I figure I should try and read something along similar lines to get a feel for the language and flow, etc. You know...research.

Problem is, I have no clue what or where or whatever, so I'm reliant on you guys to recommend things. And remember, no judging, on either side.

When I'm more comfortable (or as comfortable as I'll ever be...) with the initial draft of this section, I'll probably want some people to help make sure it reads alright, too. So you can PM me if you're interested in helping.

Hrm. Understandable to be hesitant, they aren't the easiest scenes to write. How long do you see the scene being? A few paragraphs? A full chapter? Ultimately the recommendations I make will only be as effective as they are appropriate for what you have in mind. I mean...admittedly, I've written my fair share of smut, but I'm not about to recommend my stuff to you, I'm not quite that arrogant to think my work is a standard anyone should aspire to in that regard (besides, I'm much more comfortable with the pillow talk stuff than writing the actual sex scenes)

I'm just going to grab from particularly memorable ones that I can recall off the top of my head (or which are mentioned in my notes as references). 
-T. A. Blackwell "Only Human" = This is I suppose what could be considered smut to some extent, but I fnd it captures the use of each character's personalities quite well throughout. it's long, but could perhaps help in adapting your usual writing style into this sort of scene.
-Sy Itha  "Rose Vines" = Chapter nine specifically. it's a short scene that, despite ending prematurely, I feel captures the intimacy of such a scenario well. Chapter 12 is a bit less efficient, but the scene runs from start to finish there, and it's well written enough.
-Ly Merrick "Treasure Maps" = Short one shot for the glee fandom. The characters here are AU, no need to understand their history. Some intimate scenes offer a lot of dialogue. Some offer very little. This is one of the latter, and i feel that it sets a good tone. It's a set of two short scenes, but it's nice, quick, intimate. Kind of sweet. Not sure if that's what you're going for but hey.
-Rae D Magdon's stuff is well liked. You could look at her style and see what she does that makes her viewers happy. From my recollection she writes a lot of PWP (porn without plot) but some of her pieces were less sex rampages and more intimate.

Those are ones I can think up off the bat, but if you need, like, pillow talk examples? I could list a bunch moere of those, but they're usually not all that crazy difficult.
And the examples above aren't necessarily the best, but some scenes I recall are in massive epically long fics, and I'm not going to scan through 150-350k word stories for a single scene or two. The above aren't perfect, but I find they're certainly good enough at achieving their purpose, personally.

[Seracen]

hot_heart wrote...

OK, well this is kind of awkward.

In my constant effort to challenge myself as a writer, I have included a...uh...'bedroom scene'. Now, it's not meant to be smut or kinkmeme or whatever; it, along with the 'pillow-talk', serves a story purpose. I would not be trying to write it from a woman's perspective otherwise...

However, I figure I should try and read something along similar lines to get a feel for the language and flow, etc. You know...research.

Problem is, I have no clue what or where or whatever, so I'm reliant on you guys to recommend things. And remember, no judging, on either side.

When I'm more comfortable (or as comfortable as I'll ever be...) with the initial draft of this section, I'll probably want some people to help make sure it reads alright, too. So you can PM me if you're interested in helping.

Hey, more power to you!  I remember how odd I felt on my own stories when I made these incorporations.  What helped me a lot was watching romantic comedies, or the occassional action romance.

As for books, I like what Elizabeth Willey does in "The Price of Blood and Honor," as well as Patricia Biggs in "Dragon's Blood."  Jim Butcher did some interesting stuff in one or two of his novels as well, and his wife specializes in supernatural romance.

[MrStoob]

hot_heart wrote...

It's funny there's that stigma, because the new Star Trek and some of the new Sherlock feels like big-budget fanfiction.

Indeedly, half the scenes you expect someone to turn to camera and say, "Did you see what we did there, eh? Eh?"

I eventually let my housemate know I was writing fan fic but he thought little of it (not mockingly, more 'meh').  I dunno if telling friends will make them feel differently about the thing, as they'll actually know someone who does it, someone they apparently already know and are friends with.  Depends on the person I suppose.

[hot_heart]

Thanks for the recommendations, fluffy and Seracen. Much appreciated!

I wouldn't know where to start, and a lot of FF stuff I've seen really should not fall under 'Romance'...

[Seracen]

hot_heart wrote...

Thanks for the recommendations, fluffy and Seracen. Much appreciated!

I wouldn't know where to start, and a lot of FF stuff I've seen really should not fall under 'Romance'...

Bwahaha, well, if we are delving into the realm of fanfiction, there's a whole ton of stories I could offer, one of my own included! 

[hot_heart]

I actually had just a quick look through fluffy's first link and found that perhaps my word choice was on the right track. I suppose there are only so many words for certain things... And I'm even trying to be a little more romantic and tasteful (if that's remotely possible)

Either way, even that little bit of reading worked like 'writing fuel' and half of this section was already done, so my first, very rough draft is complete.

I would be grateful (and maybe apologetic?! ) to anyone who would care to read and offer feedback. Just PM me and I'll share a Dropbox link. Oh, and there's no hurry or anything, since this will now become part of the final chapter (26) rather than the next one. So, going by my usual schedule, ready in 6 months' time...

Modifié par hot_heart, 21 janvier 2014 - 01:10 .

[Seracen]

hot_heart wrote...

I actually had just a quick look through fluffy's first link and found that perhaps my word choice was on the right track. I suppose there are only so many words for certain things... And I'm even trying to be a little more romantic and tasteful (if that's remotely possible)

Either way, even that little bit of reading worked like 'writing fuel' and half of this section was already done, so my first, very rough draft is complete.

I would be grateful (and maybe apologetic?! ) to anyone who would care to read and offer feedback. Just PM me and I'll share a Dropbox link. Oh, and there's no hurry or anything, since this will now become part of the final chapter (26) rather than the next one. So, going by my usual schedule, ready in 6 months' time...

Got an exam on Thursday, but totally willing to read it after that.  BTW, my trick was using a lot of euphemisms, just so the words didn't get stale and overused, haha!

[hot_heart]

Cheers, buddy.

And, oh yes, lots of euphemisms and vague terms.

[BronzTrooper]

Adding to the conversation about telling people you write fanfictions IRL:

I don't really mention my writing fanfictions IRL cause it never comes up in conversation. And when I do, the first question I hear is, "What's a fanfiction?" Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person I know IRL that plays ME and DA and writes fanfictions. Weird, huh?

[Efvie]

hot_heart wrote...

Cheers, buddy.

And, oh yes, lots of euphemisms and vague terms.

Euphemisms can get equally tiring and stale; usually more so, in fact. My advice would be to either avoid mention of parts altogether and rely on description of sensation and emotion, or to be fairly blunt.

However:

Rae’s “Can Wait” series is a very good reference for a tasteful intimate scene—I’d say that if you find those in any way awkward or too crass, you’re better off doing a fade than writing the scene.

[hot_heart]

Efvie wrote...
Euphemisms can get equally tiring and stale; usually more so, in fact. My advice would be to either avoid mention of parts altogether and rely on description of sensation and emotion, or to be fairly blunt.

However:

Rae’s “Can Wait” series is a very good reference for a tasteful intimate scene—I’d say that if you find those in any way awkward or too crass, you’re better off doing a fade than writing the scene.

Haha. Well, I didn't mean it was literally all like that.

A quick scan suggests that I'm actually along the same sort of lines only a little less explicit in areas, and with a lot less dialogue. Though, that is probably expected when what I've seen here and elsewhere is FShep/Liara and mine is Miranda POV, plus my tendency towards terseness.

At the moment, I think I need to work in a bit more of the emotional focus, but some of that is for 'afterwards', given the context.

[MrStoob]

Gamer072196 wrote...

Adding to the conversation about telling people you write fanfictions IRL:

I don't really mention my writing fanfictions IRL cause it never comes up in conversation. And when I do, the first question I hear is, "What's a fanfiction?" Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person I know IRL that plays ME and DA and writes fanfictions. Weird, huh?

I have (I think) a bit of an odd situation with my friends when it comes to nerdy stuff.  We're all older gamers and even have a trophy for Mario Kart competitions, myself the current holder as per usual (go Peach!), we've known each other for decades like, but not one of my friends took up any kind of online gaming or activity, or any of the other periphery stuff.  My housemate was playing Mass Effect on the XBox long before I was, and I recall watching him do several playthroughs of ME2 trying to get the whole squad out alive of the Collector Base (he never did).  So yea, none of my friends is particularly astounded that I do FF but nor are they particularly interested.

Yea, explaining FF to the uninitiated is a bit weird.  Still not certain of the best explanation to make it clear what it is if it comes up in conversation.  "I write original material for an existing franchise."?  While that explains it, it isn't really clear.  Stating to a normal human that you write stories for a video game just sends it all down hill, lol.

Modifié par MrStoob, 22 janvier 2014 - 12:04 .

[Seracen]

hot_heart wrote...

Efvie wrote...
Euphemisms can get equally tiring and stale; usually more so, in fact. My advice would be to either avoid mention of parts altogether and rely on description of sensation and emotion, or to be fairly blunt.

However:

Rae’s “Can Wait” series is a very good reference for a tasteful intimate scene—I’d say that if you find those in any way awkward or too crass, you’re better off doing a fade than writing the scene.

Haha. Well, I didn't mean it was literally all like that.

A quick scan suggests that I'm actually along the same sort of lines only a little less explicit in areas, and with a lot less dialogue. Though, that is probably expected when what I've seen here and elsewhere is FShep/Liara and mine is Miranda POV, plus my tendency towards terseness.

At the moment, I think I need to work in a bit more of the emotional focus, but some of that is for 'afterwards', given the context.

Agreed.  I use euphemisms merely to avoid repitition.  It sort of like how, if I am referencing Shepard, sometimes I use the name, sometimes the designation (Captain, Spectre, human, etc).  In romance scene, I feel if I'm referencing certain things over and over, I'm likely ignoring the emotional component, which is actually more important for me than the physical aspect of it.

In my first such outing, the initial sequence was almost all lust, yet I still had more fun exploring the emotionally ravenous nature of such a moment, the carnal aspect flowed naturally from there.

[Seracen]

MrStoob wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

Adding to the conversation about telling people you write fanfictions IRL:

I don't really mention my writing fanfictions IRL cause it never comes up in conversation. And when I do, the first question I hear is, "What's a fanfiction?" Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person I know IRL that plays ME and DA and writes fanfictions. Weird, huh?

I have (I think) a bit of an odd situation with my friends when it comes to nerdy stuff.  We're all older gamers and even have a trophy for Mario Kart competitions, myself the current holder as per usual (go Peach!), we've known each other for decades like, but not one of my friends took up any kind of online gaming or activity, or any of the other periphery stuff.  My housemate was playing Mass Effect on the XBox long before I was, and I recall watching him do several playthroughs of ME2 trying to get the whole squad out alive of the Collector Base (he never did).  So yea, none of my friends is particularly astounded that I do FF but nor are they particularly interested.

Yea, explaining FF to the uninitiated is a bit weird.  Still not certain of the best explanation to make it clear what it is if it comes up in conversation.  "I write original material for an existing franchise."?  While that explains it, it isn't really clear.  Stating to a normal human that you write stories for a video game just sends it all down hill, lol.

I've said it before, but I generally just say I write as a hobby.  Honestly, fanfiction isn't any different from published literature, IMO, save for the editing and the branding of it.

If pressed further, I describe it as "fantasy/sci-fi" or "supernatural mystery," which are the genres I generally do.  If further pressed (why I don't publish), I'll disclose that it's based off of other works.  Of course, in my case, I have both original and non-original works.

I've yet to feel any sense of belittlement from others as a result of this hobby.  Honestly, there are so many sources of entertainment nowadays, it shouldn't be considered odd.

Of course, it probably helps that I am over 6'3", so rarely am I physically intimidated.  I am also fairly active, both culturally and socially, so having a large series of hobbies is not all that odd, as they all tend to balance each other out.  Seriously, I list my hobbies as "reading, writing, racquetball, biking, and gaming" when asked, in no order.

If anybody has something to complain about, that's their problem.  I've dealt with too many racist bullies since middle school, and developed a bit of zero tolerance for detractors.  That carried on through to highschool (sans the racism), and I've never looked back.

The internet has brought together a myriad of cultures, with almost zero latency in fads and such (eg: Gangnam Style).  Furthermore, with "geek culture" becoming so mainstream, one can have such interests without stigma.  I wouldn't classify myself as a geek, yet I am "au fait" with the culture, and share its passions.

There really isn't anything for me to feel shame about, nor should any of us.

[enayasoul]

Gamer072196 wrote...

Adding to the conversation about telling people you write fanfictions IRL:

I don't really mention my writing fanfictions IRL cause it never comes up in conversation. And when I do, the first question I hear is, "What's a fanfiction?" Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person I know IRL that plays ME and DA and writes fanfictions. Weird, huh?

I've told a few people that I like to write stories for the fun of it, a hobby.  I do tell them it's based on a game if they press me further.  They listen, for the most part.  It's funny one guy asked if erotic works. I didn't acknowledge it only that there is romance in it.

I recently gave my fan-fic link to two female co-workers. They know nothing of Mass Effect other than they know it's my favorite game of all times.  The one former co-worker is much older than me probably 50 ish?  She never did give me feedback on it.

However, a week later or so, I did get a very weird vibe/atmosphere about it.  I did warn her that it contained some sexual situations.  Maybe she got turned on by it? *shrug* or embarrassed?  I guess it can't be all that bad since this past December she asked me to design a business Web site for her.  It should be up and running by March. 

The other female co-worker is about 27 and she writes all kinds of stories herself.  I happened to mention a character in my story, who was a spy, so watching shows related to it helped.  She showed me her 'spy' story notebook she often brings with her to work. She's very descriptive in her word choices.  It was a good read.  She did say the first chapter caught her attention.  It was well written and kept her interest in wanting to know more.  Again, she said she'd write a review once she's done reading it.  Probably won't.  It was a bit awkward for a week or two but it could be just me.  Shrugs.  Anyways, all is good.  We chat all the time at work about our favorite shows we watched that week.

I did show one chapter to my sister only because I promised to read her chapter and provide honest feedback.  I got it all right.  She told me like it was, kind of an eye opener but good insight.  I doubt I will give anyone else I personally know my link.
 

Modifié par enayasoul, 22 janvier 2014 - 06:12 .

[fluffywalrus]

enayasoul wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

Adding to the conversation about telling people you write fanfictions IRL:

I don't really mention my writing fanfictions IRL cause it never comes up in conversation. And when I do, the first question I hear is, "What's a fanfiction?" Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person I know IRL that plays ME and DA and writes fanfictions. Weird, huh?

I've told a few people that I like to write stories for the fun of it, a hobby.  I do tell them it's based on a game if they press me further.  They listen, for the most part.  It's funny one guy asked if erotic works. I didn't acknowledge it only that there is romance in it.

I recently gave my fan-fic link to two female co-workers. They know nothing of Mass Effect other than they know it's my favorite game of all times.  The one former co-worker is much older than me probably 50 ish?  She never did give me feedback on it.

However, a week later or so, I did get a very weird vibe/atmosphere about it.  I did warn her that it contained some sexual situations.  Maybe she got turned on by it? *shrug* or embarrassed?  I guess it can't be all that bad since this past December she asked me to design a business Web site for her.  It should be up and running by March. 

The other female co-worker is about 27 and she writes all kinds of stories herself.  I happened to mention a character in my story, who was a spy, so watching shows related to it helped.  She showed me her 'spy' story notebook she often brings with her to work. She's very descriptive in her word choices.  It was a good read.  She did say the first chapter caught her attention.  It was well written and kept her interest in wanting to know more.  Again, she said she'd write a review once she's done reading it.  Probably won't.  It was a bit awkward for a week or two but it could be just me.  Shrugs.  Anyways, all is good.  We chat all the time at work about our favorite shows we watched that week.

I did show one chapter to my sister only because I promised to read her chapter and provide honest feedback.  I got it all right.  She told me like it was, kind of an eye opener but good insight.  I doubt I will give anyone else I personally know my link.
 

Interesting experiences. I also generally just say I write as a hobby, and if people push for details, I let them know what I write about in general. And that usually gets them making weird faces at me, but eh. I like my hobby, and I'm not ashamed of it. Only one has asked if I write anything remotely erotic, but I just sent him the link to my profile and told him to see for himself. Much like the ones you talked to, he never got back to me, though I think he was cool with it... *shrug*

I've also occasionally sent some chapters to my friends if there's certain types of content i want to get another set of eyes on, to make sure i didn't miss anything or do anything poorly. They've been helpful and awesome about it, but I rarely bug them.

[Efvie]

On a different note, it’s been 11 months since I touched my story. I have a few friends who encourage me to continue, and with surprising frequency people PM to ask whether I’ll continue. It makes me happy to hear that people still like the story, new and old alike…

…But I’m kind of afraid to touch it at this point. I’ve almost convinced myself that I can’t capture the same feel again—even if my writing has improved—and that it’s better to leave the story as something that could have been or become good rather than destroy it by adding to it. Not just for the readers, I mean, but for myself. I know I can always just not publish if I don’t want to.

It’ll be the 1-year ‘anniversary’ of the hiatus in another month. I’m trying to decide whether I should make it a deadline for writing another chapter or two and seeing how it goes…

[fluffywalrus]

Efvie wrote...

On a different note, it’s been 11 months since I touched my story. I have a few friends who encourage me to continue, and with surprising frequency people PM to ask whether I’ll continue. It makes me happy to hear that people still like the story, new and old alike…

…But I’m kind of afraid to touch it at this point. I’ve almost convinced myself that I can’t capture the same feel again—even if my writing has improved—and that it’s better to leave the story as something that could have been or become good rather than destroy it by adding to it. Not just for the readers, I mean, but for myself. I know I can always just not publish if I don’t want to.

It’ll be the 1-year ‘anniversary’ of the hiatus in another month. I’m trying to decide whether I should make it a deadline for writing another chapter or two and seeing how it goes…

I know the feel. My last regular update for my Mass Effect fic was last March. That anniversary is coming up, and I've only released a single chapter since then. Not that I haven't wanted to, but there have been complicatons.

And I know I want to finish it, but it's hard getting back into the heads of those characters after such a long time away.

[Seracen]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Efvie wrote...

On a different note, it’s been 11 months since I touched my story. I have a few friends who encourage me to continue, and with surprising frequency people PM to ask whether I’ll continue. It makes me happy to hear that people still like the story, new and old alike…

…But I’m kind of afraid to touch it at this point. I’ve almost convinced myself that I can’t capture the same feel again—even if my writing has improved—and that it’s better to leave the story as something that could have been or become good rather than destroy it by adding to it. Not just for the readers, I mean, but for myself. I know I can always just not publish if I don’t want to.

It’ll be the 1-year ‘anniversary’ of the hiatus in another month. I’m trying to decide whether I should make it a deadline for writing another chapter or two and seeing how it goes…

I know the feel. My last regular update for my Mass Effect fic was last March. That anniversary is coming up, and I've only released a single chapter since then. Not that I haven't wanted to, but there have been complicatons.

And I know I want to finish it, but it's hard getting back into the heads of those characters after such a long time away.

And yet, it's still a part of you, and it sprang from your mind.  So if you really want, I feel you can return to that place.  The question is whether you will have fun doing it.

As for me, I'd kick myself if I'd gotten to within a few chapters, and then stopped.  In a project that I eventually dropped, I could stll go back and finish it, but a few things hold me back: 1) I'd doubt I'd have as much fun with it, because 2) it was a garbled mess rife with cliches, and 3) I've no patience to rework the project, nor is there a large enough fanbase clamoring for a finish.

Granted, with only 7 chapters of the current work up, it isn't as if there's a large fanbase for it yet, but stopping with only a few pages left to write would leave a bad taste in my mouth.  I fully intend to pick it up after my exam tomorrow.

I can't speak for you all though, but I'd just go back to the "fun" aspect of it.  If that can be established, let the rest take care of itself! :happy: