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#8776
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I'm posting my 500 + page behemoth all at once on FF and on my web site. One reason is that I can't figure out how to post chapter by chapter and link them. So up goes the entire work all at once. It'll be about 300 pages at 450 words/page I'm guessing for FanFiction site's format.

Ooh cool! Congrats :D

 

As for breaking it into chapters, generally it's necessary to split each chapter into its own document. Then you publish each chapter within a story.


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well, first... though I haven't published anything, I have currently finished three chapters (plus prologue, but not counting the 8-chapter first draft I scrapped and then the three-chapter rewrite I also scrapped) for my ME fanfic, written 2 chapters (plus prologue) for my DA fanfic, and 1 chapter each (plus prologue) for my Bubblegum Crisis and Clue fanfics. and I've noticed that my average word count (totes without any conscious decision to limit myself) runs between 6 and 7.5K, which seems to average 13-17 pages in word with whatever formatting my sister has as her default. of course, my prologues are much shorter because, well, they're prologues. *smiles*

 

now, I have a question, because it's been something of an odd stretch for me. maybe it's just because I'm losing my mind over midterms and studying and finishing my last paper... but lately I've really really reallyreally wanted to write... and yet when I find a few minutes of peace, I just... don't. *pout* I really can't explain why. like right now, I'm sitting on my bed with my sister's laptop, and I could totes be writing all the stuff that's been dancing through my head between classes and while driving to and from school. but instead I'm on this forum and simultaneously watching the new remake of Footloose on DVR.

 

does anyone else do this? like really want to write, but when you have the opportunity, end up doing something else? I can't explain it. because I do want to write. I've been thinking about my ME fic all day. now I'm home, I have like two hours before I have to cook dinner for my sisters, and I choose to watch a movie... *sigh*

 

maybe I've actually lost my mind. I've had the feeling for a couple weeks now that this semester would have that effect on me... *shrug*



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It is very easy to procrastinate instead of write. The only 'solution' I've found is just to get stuck in. Start writing whatever comes to mind, it doesn't matter if it's crap, you can fix that later. Just get something down on the screen/page in front of you; it'll inevitably need rewriting (when does it ever not?) but you can't rewrite what isn't written. Get that ball rolling and, soon enough, gravity will take over. :P


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It is very easy to procrastinate instead of write. The only 'solution' I've found is just to get stuck in. Start writing whatever comes to mind, it doesn't matter if it's crap, you can fix that later. Just get something down on the screen/page in front of you; it'll inevitably need rewriting (when does it ever not?) but you can't rewrite what isn't written. Get that ball rolling and, soon enough, gravity will take over. :P

Agreed.  Towards the end of my last fic, this was the exact method I had to take, or I'd never have finished it. Beginnings and ends are harder for me.  The middle generally flows and lends itself to downtime a whole lot more (for me anyways).



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Yeah, even on a chapter-level, I think once you get into the 'scene' and the frame of mind, it's must easier to chip away at it. At least, that's how I find it with first-person-perspective writing. :?



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Huh, well, I suppose the concept of " we are our own worst critics" holds true once again.

 

Just got the feedback from my first beta reader.  I really did expect her to come back and say certain bits needed rewrites (as she had before, thought admittedly, there were a few crap chapters that I'd neglected to retouch on the first round of betas).

 

Still, I will take the "just correct all the grammatical errors" as compliment enough.  Now I'm just waiting on getting two more drafts back from my other two betas.  Meanwhile, I continue to procrastinate on writing my other projects...

 

I should probably go to sleep now.  G'night...er...morning all!!!



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Yeah, the crap I wrote last night... yikes. Was it the same author? Or was it some evil spirit that inhabited the same body? It's a scene I imagined happening, but I'm kind of like Jack. I'm just not good at the soft stuff especially after completing an intense scene.

 

Endings. I hate writing endings. I have to be the world's worst writer of endings. Well, I take that back. There are several French films I saw back in the 1970s that make my bad endings pale in comparison. I have a couple of issues to resolve. One character: does she live or die? It can go either way right now -- it's the Vasquez always dies trope -- when you see a character like this you know they're going to die somewhere in the story. You've given her no story arc. She's been a supporting character the entire story and nothing more. The audience is expecting her to die now. Do you give it to them? Or do you go against the trope? 

 

And then there's the short scene. Granted it's short. It's like two pages, thankfully, but it's badly written. It's sappy. I suppose even an action story needs a couple of pages of sappy, but damnit it needs good sappy. And on the Normandy (spoiler) ... I've already broken canon by blowing up what's his face with nuclear fire -- some things I have to hurt out of principle -- how do I write the final scene before the epilogue?

 

The epilogue will be written as a narrative like the introduction, in character, by me as the Asari author. Of course it will start out...

 

I'm debating between starting with Hackett's speech or the Stargazer, then cutting about at the second sentence....

 

No that's not how it happened!



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Yeah, the crap I wrote last night... yikes. Was it the same author? Or was it some evil spirit that inhabited the same body? It's a scene I imagined happening, but I'm kind of like Jack. I'm just not good at the soft stuff especially after completing an intense scene.

 

Endings. I hate writing endings. I have to be the world's worst writer of endings. Well, I take that back. There are several French films I saw back in the 1970s that make my bad endings pale in comparison. I have a couple of issues to resolve. One character: does she live or die? It can go either way right now -- it's the Vasquez always dies trope -- when you see a character like this you know they're going to die somewhere in the story. You've given her no story arc. She's been a supporting character the entire story and nothing more. The audience is expecting her to die now. Do you give it to them? Or do you go against the trope? 

 

And then there's the short scene. Granted it's short. It's like two pages, thankfully, but it's badly written. It's sappy. I suppose even an action story needs a couple of pages of sappy, but damnit it needs good sappy. And on the Normandy (spoiler) ... I've already broken canon by blowing up what's his face with nuclear fire -- some things I have to hurt out of principle -- how do I write the final scene before the epilogue?

 

The epilogue will be written as a narrative like the introduction, in character, by me as the Asari author. Of course it will start out...

 

I'm debating between starting with Hackett's speech or the Stargazer, then cutting about at the second sentence....

 

No that's not how it happened!

As far as the character death, I would ask what purpose it serves in the story.  Will it motivate or emotionally affect the other characters in any way?  Does it serve any storyline purpose other than shock value?  Bear in mind, I totally accept "there's just no way SOMEONE wouldn't die" as a valid enough reason.

 

Still, I generally try to make the ramifications deeper, wanting the characters and the readers to feel the weight of that loss (however brief).  If I can establish those points, it serves the story, and I don't bother about conforming or defying a trope.

 

Downtime can be difficult to write sometimes.  I can't really give too much advice in finales, as they are unique to each writer.  For myself, I generally have some small bits of dialogue between a few principle characters, then throw in some positive/negative emotions that they are feeling.

 

I then generally end with some overarching statement for the future (much like the Dragon Age Origins Epilogues).  Admiral Hackett's speech serves this purpose quite well.  I could not care less for the stargazer scene, and the story loses nothing by its absence.  I'd only keep it in if you excluded Hackett's speech.  On the other hand, some folks can do the epilogue after the epilogue quite well (eg: the final LOTR movie)



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So I have an idea for two stories, one will lead into the other. I've discussed this breifly at one point, so now I will go more into it since I have brainstormed further.

 

The first,

 

Mass Effect: Cataclysm

This will detail the stories of various characters during the war. A few of the story arks;

  • Salarian STG team uncovering the secrets of Cerberus experimentation labs on Noveria
  • A Krogan prisoner attempts escape as the facility is overrun by Reapers
  • A Drell assassin stands his ground on Kahje 
  • The N7 operative group known as Derelict Team leads a fight across earth
  • A Batarian is half mutated into a cannibal, retaining his mind but losing control over his actions
  • A Turian on the run from a human bounty hunter

And after I have written that story up to the point of the end of the war, I will lead into 

 

Mass Effect: Uprising

This will switch over to our beloved Scar, which is the alias of Jane Shepard after the war, who now lives an ordinary life. The reapers have been destroyed, but now anarchist groups who supported the reapers cause are rising, and they want to hunt down those responsible for the destruction of the reapers. The characters from Cataclysm will make their return here. 

 

 

Thoughts? For Uprising I wanted to name shepard Red, but apparently someone else did a similar story arc (shepard fitting into normal life) and named her Blue. I do believe that is someone on here; A great fanfic, though that deals with a zombiecerberus outbreak, I do hope my reasons for having shepard in a similar path of ordinary life allow for this situation with an alias. 

 

Also here is a snippet of my writing

The bitter cold of a raging blizzard threatened to rip through the amphibious skin of the figure that ran through its’ freezing embrace. The figure, a Salarian dressed in a gray and yellow snow outfit, moved quickly across the winter-infested planet known as Noveria. He was running through an alpine forest, the smell of sap and pine would have struck his nostrils had it not for the large helmet he wore to protect his face from the weather. His footsteps were as silent as he could manage; only the faint crunching of snow was audible from the loud, roaring winds that surrounded him. The whiteout of the blizzard made it almost impossible to see where he was headed. For the past 3 hours, he had been traveling across this landscape in search of a rumored facility that had been built about 20 miles away from Port Hanshan.

 

A rumored facility, it was not. As the Salarian got closer to it, the snow parted ways for his vision to be struck by a large grouping of Cerberus pods scattered about, with a pyramidal shaped tower dead in the center. It was chrome silver, and the sun reflected off of its’ frame even brighter than the snow covered ground. A selection of white figures stood scattered about the facility,



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As far as the character death, I would ask what purpose it serves in the story.  Will it motivate or emotionally affect the other characters in any way?  Does it serve any storyline purpose other than shock value?  Bear in mind, I totally accept "there's just no way SOMEONE wouldn't die" as a valid enough reason.

 

Still, I generally try to make the ramifications deeper, wanting the characters and the readers to feel the weight of that loss (however brief).  If I can establish those points, it serves the story, and I don't bother about conforming or defying a trope.

 

Downtime can be difficult to write sometimes.  I can't really give too much advice in finales, as they are unique to each writer.  For myself, I generally have some small bits of dialogue between a few principle characters, then throw in some positive/negative emotions that they are feeling.

 

I then generally end with some overarching statement for the future (much like the Dragon Age Origins Epilogues).  Admiral Hackett's speech serves this purpose quite well.  I could not care less for the stargazer scene, and the story loses nothing by its absence.  I'd only keep it in if you excluded Hackett's speech.  On the other hand, some folks can do the epilogue after the epilogue quite well (eg: the final LOTR movie)

Actually I take that back. I can write a good ending. I wrote the ending for my rewrite of ME3, and it's a complete rewrite. It's just that this Crucible ending IMO sucks. Once it gets to a certain stage it's static.

 

I've just got to remember... we broke canon... I can do what I want with the ending. I am simply going to write my own ending and forget Bioware's ending altogether. That will simply happen in the background. It is not the focus of my story. I have to remember what my story is about. It isn't about Shepard. The character I mentioned? I left it so that it could go either way. Their survival can be handled in the epilogue.



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Amnesia Miracle of Sound

This song, I don't know why but it makes me think of Revan from KotOR. (And a tiny bit of it makes me think of Bastila.) So my first question of the day is, does that make me crazy? 

And my second is, sadly, of a more serious note. Have you guys noticed a resurgence of the kinds of stories that give fanfiction a bad name? Such as incest stories? Because earlier today while I was looking for a new Femshep/Miri story to read, I was horrified to find one that was, according to the pairings thing on ff.net and the description it was basically a three-way between Shepard, Miranda, and Oriana. Even talking about this I feel like I'm about to vomit from the thought. While I'm not a religious person, this just seems plain wrong to me. I think that trying to take something like the familial relationship between siblings and turn it into a romantic/sexual one is just plain wrong. Nothing grey about it. Maybe it's because I come from Oklahoma(I won't say where in Oklahoma.) but this just seems like there is no justification. In good old OK, family is one of the most important things out there. Even if you're an atheist. And, the whole, "Everyone in Oklahoma is sleeping with their cousins." is just not true. We are very much opposed to that sh*t. Sorry about that rant, but this incest sh*t really pisses me the f*ck off. I feel like I need to take a bath in lava just to not feel dirty having seen something like that on a site I frequently visit. And, another thing that bugged me was I checked the reviews to see if other people were as upset by that kind of thing as I am, and found someone who's story I really enjoyed liking it. And, I'm not sure if I can keep reading their story anymore because of that. Part of me wants to know what happens in their story, and another part of me doesn't want to support anyone who would enjoy content like that. So, I  suppose a third question is should I quit following that author's story because of it? 

There were also a bunch of stories where Shepard is a hermaphrodite. And I know someone(the person who actually introduced me to fanfiction) who quit reading it because of too much of that.  But, compared to what was mentioned just before that it doesn't seem too bad. 

Sorry about the seriousness/rage of this post, but I was just curious if that kind of thing is just infesting the Femshep/Miri area of the site, as that's pretty much where I stay, or if the entire site is ailing from it. Part of me just wants to leave the whole site behind. Take all of my stories down, and put them up elsewhere even though I know I'll probably lose all of my readers if I do. I just don't know what to do. Do I let this get to me, and pull all support of FF.net and the other authors, leave the fanfiction scene completely behind, or do I just ignore it? Sigh. I know that I usually try to be the silly, fun kind of person. But, this, this really bothers me. I'd normally try to leave on a sillier note, but I just can't with this. I think that would be doing a disservice to how seriously I treat this kind of thing. Of how utterly wrong, how monstrous I see it as.(The incest stuff. The hermaphrodite stuff is just not my cup of tea.)



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Your first question: No. 

 

Your second question: I don't know about other people's fiction. I can't control what they write. You don't have to justify where you're from. I know people in OK have family trees that fork. The incest stuff with cousins would be more accurately applied if one were writing about historical royal families to be honest. I can't control what others post on FF.net, and neither can you. It begs a question as to why these authors are writing this stuff that you mention in the first place.

 

So honestly if a particular story offends you, I'd stop following it. If a particular author repeatedly offends you with such content, I'd stop following that author. If there is a place for a comment as to why you've stopped following you mention why in a calm diplomatic manner.

 

There are people who post good stories on FF.net. Follow those people. Me? I'm honing my writing skills so I can begin my own book.

 

And PS: I just rewrote the ending to my FF story. I like it better.



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Your first question: No. 

 

Your second question: I don't know about other people's fiction. I can't control what they write. You don't have to justify where you're from. I know people in OK have family trees that fork. The incest stuff with cousins would be more accurately applied if one were writing about historical royal families to be honest. I can't control what others post on FF.net, and neither can you. It begs a question as to why these authors are writing this stuff that you mention in the first place.

 

So honestly if a particular story offends you, I'd stop following it. If a particular author repeatedly offends you with such content, I'd stop following that author. If there is a place for a comment as to why you've stopped following you mention why in a calm diplomatic manner.

 

There are people who post good stories on FF.net. Follow those people. Me? I'm honing my writing skills so I can begin my own book.

 

And PS: I just rewrote the ending to my FF story. I like it better.

It isn't that the person wrote a story I don't like. It's more they like a story that I am morally opposed to, so I'm not sure if I should follow them. Also, that is the exact same thing I'm doing fanfiction to do. 



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Amnesia Miracle of Sound

This song, I don't know why but it makes me think of Revan from KotOR. (And a tiny bit of it makes me think of Bastila.) So my first question of the day is, does that make me crazy? 

 

And my second is, sadly, of a more serious note. Have you guys noticed a resurgence of the kinds of stories that give fanfiction a bad name? Such as incest stories? Because earlier today while I was looking for a new Femshep/Miri story to read, I was horrified to find one that was, according to the pairings thing on ff.net and the description it was basically a three-way between Shepard, Miranda, and Oriana. Even talking about this I feel like I'm about to vomit from the thought. While I'm not a religious person, this just seems plain wrong to me. I think that trying to take something like the familial relationship between siblings and turn it into a romantic/sexual one is just plain wrong. Nothing grey about it. Maybe it's because I come from Oklahoma(I won't say where in Oklahoma.) but this just seems like there is no justification. In good old OK, family is one of the most important things out there. Even if you're an atheist. And, the whole, "Everyone in Oklahoma is sleeping with their cousins." is just not true. We are very much opposed to that sh*t. Sorry about that rant, but this incest sh*t really pisses me the f*ck off. I feel like I need to take a bath in lava just to not feel dirty having seen something like that on a site I frequently visit. And, another thing that bugged me was I checked the reviews to see if other people were as upset by that kind of thing as I am, and found someone who's story I really enjoyed liking it. And, I'm not sure if I can keep reading their story anymore because of that. Part of me wants to know what happens in their story, and another part of me doesn't want to support anyone who would enjoy content like that. So, I  suppose a third question is should I quit following that author's story because of it? 

 

There were also a bunch of stories where Shepard is a hermaphrodite. And I know someone(the person who actually introduced me to fanfiction) who quit reading it because of too much of that.  But, compared to what was mentioned just before that it doesn't seem too bad. 

 

Sorry about the seriousness/rage of this post, but I was just curious if that kind of thing is just infesting the Femshep/Miri area of the site, as that's pretty much where I stay, or if the entire site is ailing from it. Part of me just wants to leave the whole site behind. Take all of my stories down, and put them up elsewhere even though I know I'll probably lose all of my readers if I do. I just don't know what to do. Do I let this get to me, and pull all support of FF.net and the other authors, leave the fanfiction scene completely behind, or do I just ignore it? Sigh. I know that I usually try to be the silly, fun kind of person. But, this, this really bothers me. I'd normally try to leave on a sillier note, but I just can't with this. I think that would be doing a disservice to how seriously I treat this kind of thing. Of how utterly wrong, how monstrous I see it as.(The incest stuff. The hermaphrodite stuff is just not my cup of tea.)

 

#1. Not crazy. Though it's been so long since I've played KotOR that I find it difficult to hear a song and feel it fits any specific character. But if you feel that way, it's not crazy. I know some Mass Effect characters come to mind when I hear some songs or bands. It's a thing.

 

#2. Incest. If this is a new story, and you've seen a sort of pattern of them, I would, sadly, blame the Frozen fandom. I mean, I'm torn, because it's their right to ship who they want to, but wasn't the point of the film that true love doesn't have to have any overt romance? That it can be sisterly love? Most likely platonic sisterly love? Either way, I can't begrudge them for it, but I've seen its impact pitter-patter into other fandoms, much like when Supernatural was a lot more popular and "wincest" was a bigger thing, back when that fandom couldn't ship Dean and Castiel yet.

Incest doesn't sicken me, but I'm rather desensitized to most taboo things, so eh. The idea of an incestuous couple having children is one I morally disagree with due to the health concerns, but if two first cousins want to get together in a story, whatever. Not a big deal for me, though I haven't ever found myself reading a story with a positive incestuous relationship being involved, so I can't really say how I'd like it. I'd likely be indifferent, honestly, though the author would have to handle the theme well and maturely enough for me to respect them enough to continue reading.

 

#3. Hermaphrodite is generally a frowned upon term these days, almost solely used to describe plant-life. Intersex is the more modern and respectable term. And as someone who writes in the Glee fandom, I have seen hundreds of these stories. The fact is, there's a ot of narrative politics surrounding these sorts of stories that both interests and somewhat repels me. On one hand, there are a lot of intersex people in the world who go entirely unrepresented in media, and having some representation in fanfiction can be a positive thing. On the other hand, most people who write these stories are not doing so to favorably represent intersex people. Instead, it's usually inspiration drawn from fetish communities like those who draw/collect/watch Japanese "Futanari" anime-based porn(hentai, or whatever). Additionally, there are people who want to write smut, but cannot wrap their heads around certain types of sex, and instead substitute one character's genitalia in order to give them a basis that they're familiar with. This is popular in the glee fandom, where most authors are straight women who enjoy the sexual subtext between female characters (or wish to write femslash fics for another reason) but don't know how to culminate it...thus, they create the G!P, or "girlpeen" tag, and attach a working male-typical set of genitalia to one of the girl characters. This often carries along muddled social baggage of writing the G!P character as very masculine/"butch", which can be pretty problematic.

Finally, there are people who have fetishes for idealized forms of trans people's bodies (most intersex people have genital surgery as infants and thus often lack a disparity in sex characteristics often found in these sorts of stories...and if they do, they're generally undergoing transition similar to trans people), which is often drawn from real life porn, often sourced from North America. This is where problematic transphobic slurs are often used to describe characters in story summaries or author notes, although in a way the writers don't care about trans people, they just are interested in the makeup of their bodies...again, a fetish. So you'll see stories where Maleshep has female-typical genitalia, perhaps, or Femshep having male-typical genitalia. There's rarely any serious narrative history for their character over it, and these stories tend to be very sex/smut oriented. Very rarely stories that positively and accurately represent people with those bodies, conditions, characteristics, etc.

 

So yeah, generally, those stories are all about sex (I'm including the incest ones here too, usually, as it's something of a taboo kink). Which sucks for people who ARE intersex or trans, because it sucks enough to be sexually shunned while having their bodies fetishized in the real world. having it happen in a fandom they're deeply invested in can really suck too. But people have freedom to explore their kinks, and their kinks don't make them unethical or whatever either.

 

As for jumping ship to another site, you'll very likely have the same luck at AO3 and Deviantart, or similar. A lot of people crosspost, and while you might get less volume on those sites, that material will very likely persist. A livejournal account could keep you free of that, but there's no established community there, so unless you can get word of mouth going, you won't get many readers. FFnet is the best for getting a lot of traffic and eyes on your work...you just sometimes have to put up with your fandom having bits of less savory material written in it, but it could be worse...you could be trying to write a serious supernatural-themed drama in the Supernatural universe and be surrounded by Destiel and Wincest stories. Mass Effect's fandom, by comparison, is incredibly tame.


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I find murder abhorrent, yet it hasn't yet put me off any media or genre of story telling where murder is involved.  It is fiction after all.

 

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1) No, not really.  Sometimes I hear a song that reminds me of a character or game. :lol:

 

2) I saw one of these stories in the DA fanfic archive which had a Carver/Bethany pairing (honestly, I think Bethany is pretty hot.  I wish she was an LI, but BW would have had to change half the story of DA2, so meh.  Maybe she'll show up in DA:I?).  About the incest...  I don't really see why that would be appealing to anyone.  I mean, that's your family.  Yeah you're supposed to love family, but not in that way.  It doesn't bother me, but I just think it is plain weird (I'm originally from NJ so you never hear about that sort of thing).  And the Miranda/Shep/Oriana three-way... I wouldn't really consider that incest.  I mean yeah, Miranda and Oriana are sisters, but they are genetic twins too, so basically it's like Miranda trying bang herself (lol, jk, jk).  Still, considering how Shep is thrown into the mix, I'm not sure the I would call that incest.  :?

 

3) I wouldn't.  What an author likes to read shouldn't affect whether you continue following their stories or not.  Especially if you enjoy them.  Now, I'm all for gay rights, but I can't handle guy-on-guy action.  Yet I can watch/read girl-on-girl all day, but then again, I'm a guy.  One of the authors I'm following likes to pair their guy Shepards and Wardens with guy LIs (namely in their ME fanfic, where MaleShep and Garrus hookup).  Then again, s/he is a great writer and I really enjoy their OCs and story archs so I'm willing to deal with it.  But that's just me. :?



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So it seems to me that some authors are using FF to work through their own issues, perhaps? And others for shock value. And others just to learn how to put together a solid story and wrap up a good ending. And others just because they like writing fan fiction. My thoughts here are that the first groups are in the minority.

 

I've seen mainstream authors working through their issues in their novels as well. The only thing that separates this from fan fiction is the fact that this is done with their own IP. One could say this is their fan fiction of their own IP, I guess. There are mainstream novels I've put down and haven't finished.

 

One story of incest that we studied in school was the Greek tragedy, Oedipus. In most versions the entire family dies, but in Euripides lost version Antigone appears to have survived.



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I find murder abhorrent, yet it hasn't yet put me off any media or genre of story telling where murder is involved.  It is fiction after all.

 

2 cents.

 

Yep. I've honestly never really understood how people just casually brush off murder and war-driven death, yet there's often such uproar over sexual taboos and kinks. Like...on one hand, life is being extinguished. That's serious and if anything shouldn't be desensitized, it's that. I mean, yeah, some things weird me out sometimes (albeit rarely), but I doubt anything will ever compare to how abhorrent I feel murder is. I don't particularly care to listen to norms that say killing/murder is alright and justified in a variety of contexts, yet outright opposes certain consensual, non-violent (often sex-based) behaviours or expressions just because it might make people uncomfortable or goes against some historically twisted Abrahamic morality code.

 

Yet I still read about things like murder and death, I watch it on TV/film, and I write about it. It's a part of life, but so are those kinks and taboos, so I'll approach them the same way. If they're part of a well told story, I'll stay around, usually. If not, then I'm usually gone.


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Sex scenes... this is another one. I wrote a sex scene. It was actually my first one. My beta readers said it was quite well written, not over the top, steamy, and didn't cross the line. This was a team project. I was project lead, but my lead writer hit the roof. Shepard wasn't going to do that. To me it just seemed to be the natural flow of things -> Shepard + 5 bourbons + the right circumstances = cheats on Liara. People do have hang ups about this stuff. I write flawed characters. So it doesn't fit with someone's idealized hero myth. We have more of a hang up about sex in this country than we do about blowing someone's head off in a scene. I'm not talking porn.



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Silly question time! Have you ever written a scene that is just completely out of tone for the story you are working on at the time? I once wrote a scene in Meus Mundus where someone burned Hallex on the Normandy in an attempt to get everyone high so that Joker would crash the ship. Anyways, Miranda gets stoned, and thinks Jessica(The fic's Shepard) is a bunch of weird things. 

Or, and this I haven't actually done yet, but am working on it currently, Garrus, Shepard, and Miranda are going to take out Sidonis, then get attacked by a horde of his minions, and they use gaseous drugs to try and disorient the three. Anyways, it leads to Garrus and Miranda getting completely stoned and they think Jessica is a turkey with katanas for eyes. But, due to the upgrades she got from the Lazarus Project, Jessica is not high, but has to deal with the two of them being high. I think it will lead to lots of silly humor. Also, some dismemberment of the people who got Jessica's team high. (She doesn't like people getting her crew high. Veeeery anti-drug after her experiences in the Reds. (She has every last origin story. Because screw reasonableness.)



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Hehe, I have an unpublished chapter for a half started post-war fic in a similar but different vein to the Lawson sisters.

 

One of Cerberus' experiments involved using the asari's innate telepathic abilities to act as beacons for indoctrination (don't ask, space magic).  So they genetically engineered telepathically linked asari twins in an attempt to boost the ability.  It didn't work anyway, but while shutting down any remnant Cerberus facilities and forces, Miranda finds the two asari in a lab and takes them under her wing.  In the fic, the protagonist, Charlotte (OC hireling for Miranda's new ventures) walks in on the 'twins' in an embrace, but after a moment realises it's more than just an embrace, leaving quickly.  Upon questioning Miranda over this and her lack of shock or surprise, Charlotte protests,

"But they're sisters!"

“Mmm... not technically. They were engineered so they don't technically share genes in the traditional sense and the way they're melded, it's probably more like...” Miranda's face turns a little sour as she analyses that which she would rather not, “masturbation...” then she shakes the thought from her head.



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Heh, yeah.  I had started my ME/Star Wars crossover (mentioned it a few pages ago) and got to a scene where Vega, Shepard, and Garrus are in the shuttle heading back to the Normandy when Vega asks if they think Jaina (one of the characters from the books who they meet on Kavan, the planet everyone ended up on when they were transported to the Star Wars universe from Earth) is available.  Here's the conversation:

 

“That Jaina seems kinda cute.  You think she’s available?” James finally says.
 
“That’s what you said about Brooks, and look how that turned out,” Shepard responds.
 
“Hey, you didn’t see it coming either.”
 
“Well it’s not every day you find out you have a clone that’s trying to steal your life.”
 
“Especially one that was raised by Cerberus,” Garrus chimes in.
 
“Exactly.”
 
“Whatever…  Still, do you think she’s available?” James asks again.
 
“I doubt it.  Plus, if she was, I don’t think she’d be interested.”
 
“Why not?”
 
“She didn’t strike me as the type of woman who was into muscular men.  You’d have a better chance with Kasumi.”
 
“No thanks.  She pops up at the weirdest times.”
 
“She was just being herself.”
 
“She still creeps me out.”
 
“I could ask Javik to watch your back if it’ll make you feel better,” Garrus taunts.
 
“Oh, come on.”
 
 
Considering how the rest of what I've typed up is fairly serious, this is a healthy change of tone.  And no, I haven't published the story and I probably never will.  I just keep it around as something to amuse me.


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1) Gavin Dunn (of Miracle of Sound) often uses games as inspiration for his music.  In either event, I've never considered it odd to associate songs with characters or scenes.

 

 

2) Ah yes, the incest angle.  I remember back when I read one between Laguna and Squall (FF8).  I remember my author's board and I tried to explain to the writer that the father/son angle was unacceptable.  Amusingly, the author's defense was that we were "homophobic," using that as a defense of incest.  I just didn't have the words to even start on that one.

 

On a more amusing note, I recall a scene from Supernatural, wherein the characters are appalled by their fans writing "slashfics."

 

Dean: "They DO realize we're brothers right?"

Sam: "Apparently, it doesn't seem to matter."

Dean: "...What the hell is wrong with these people!?!?!"

 

Some of the folks I've asked about the phenomena are of the opinion that "it isn't a problem so long as I'm sandwiched between them."  Honestly, I came to terms with that section of fandom long ago.  I don't care for it, but I'm not apologizing for something I have no part of.

 

 

3) It's actually interesting that an upcoming Twilight knockoff uses incest as a plotpoint (though it ends up being a red herring).

 

I don't subscribe to such stories, so I simply ignore it.  At most, I'll make a joke of the sort that my friends from West Virgina occasionally say.  In terms of others liking it, I don't really care, so long as it isn't in any of the stories I read.

 

EDIT: BTW, when I heard that there were Hawke/Bethany shippers, I just had to laugh, "special hell" moment or not.  It's totally wrong, but I just had to sigh and shake my head at it.  No use getting agita over it.

 

On a related note, it's worth mentioning that some fantasies involve the subject being sandwiched in between attractive twins ("I can't die, I've got a date with Swedish twins tonight" - some random anime).  A whole extra layer of wrong on top of the incest angle there, though the joke is amusing enough.

 

 

4) I have totally written scenes that don't fit with stories I am writing at the time.  Sometimes, I'll catalog the scene for later use.  If I NEED to include the scene, I'll generally rewrite it,

 

Case in point, I wrote a "placeholder" chapter in my recently completed story.  I knew it was garbage, in that it didn't fit or flow properly.  However, it had the skeleton of what the chapter needed to be.  I didn't have the passion for writing that scene at the moment, but wanted to move on to subsequent chapters.  Eventually, I came back and gutted it.

 

I kept most of the dialogue, but changed all the scenery that defined the framing of that dialogue.  My primary beta read both versions, and told me it was like night and day, which was sort of the point really.

 

More often, what racks my brain is when I get dialogue wrong, because I have to put myself into certain mindsets on occasion.  You may remember that I had to do this with Jack, and to a larger extent, with Aethyta.  Their mindsets, while not alien to me, did not operate in a mode that I am generally in tune with.

 

At any rate, I have a slew of scenes that just felt good at the time, but Lord knows if I will ever implement them.  I swear, I could make a short story out of all the random tidbits I have laying around.  All I'd need is a good premise to tie all of them together (though it would still be a disjointed mess, haha).



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1) Gavin Dunn (of Miracle of Sound) often uses games as inspiration for his music.  In either event, I've never considered it odd to associate songs with characters or scenes.

 

 

2) Ah yes, the incest angle.  I remember back when I read one between Laguna and Squall.  Honestly, I came to terms with that section of fandom long ago.  I don't care for it, but I'm not apologizing for something I have no part of.

 

An amusing example is from Supernatural, wherein Dean Winchester is appalled by his "fans" writing "slashfics."

 

Dean: "They DO realize we're brothers right?"

Sam: "Apparently, it doesn't seem to matter."

Dean: "...What the hell is wrong with these people!?!?!"

 

 

3) Some of the women I've asked about the phenomena are of the opinion that "it isn't a problem so long as I'm sandwiched between them." It's actually interesting that an upcoming Twilight knockoff uses incest as a plotpoint (though it ends up being a red herring).

 

I don't subscribe to such stories, so I simply ignore it.  At most, I'll make a joke of the sort that my friends from West Virgina occasionally say.  In terms of others liking it, I don't really care, so long as it isn't in any of the stories I read.

 

 

4) I have totally written scenes that don't fit with stories I am writing at the time.  Sometimes, I'll catalog the scene for later use.  If I NEED to include the scene, I'll generally rewrite it,

 

Case in point, I wrote a "placeholder" chapter in my recently completed story.  I knew it was garbage, in that it didn't fit or flow properly.  However, it had the skeleton of what the chapter needed to be.  I didn't have the passion for writing that scene at the moment, but wanted to move on to subsequent chapters.  Eventually, I came back and gutted it.

 

I kept most of the dialogue, but changed all the scenery that defined the framing of that dialogue.  My primary beta read both versions, and told me it was like night and day, which was sort of the point really.

 

More often, what racks my brain is when I get dialogue wrong, because I have to put myself into certain mindsets on occasion.  You may remember that I had to do this with Jack, and to a larger extent, with Aethyta.  Their mindsets, while not alien to me, did not operate in a mode that I am generally in tune with.

 

At any rate, I have a slew of scenes that just felt good at the time, but Lord knows if I will ever implement them.  I swear, I could make a short story out of all the random tidbits I have laying around.  All I'd need is a good premise to tie all of them together (though it would still be a disjointed mess, haha).

Funny. I've never had that much difficulty getting into their mindset. Might be because I too am completely f*cking insane and like to swear a lot. (seriously, I hallucinate smells. WHO HALLUCINATES SMELLS? Also, I've never done drugs in my life, so it wasn't that I was high at the time.) Albeit, my madness is different from Jack's. (She terrifies me, yet I feel bad for her.)

Also, do you think doing flashbacks in first person for an otherwise third person story is okay, because with Meus Mundus I keep doing it because it's just so much goddamn fun to. I think that with how I do things they normally work their way in. There was also a bit in Beyond the Light and the Dark that I did that, as I felt arranging the chapter so that it was told basically as a first person narration from Revan to Kreia to explain what was bugging her would be the best way to do things. But I've always wondered if other people thought that was okay. 
And lastly, because there haven't been enough silly pictures lately.

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Also, please don't bring in gun control and such. As an Okie, and a (semi) reasonable person, gun control bugs me. As there are other, better ways to handle the issue of firearm abuse and such. 



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*dances in* OMG, the most stressful week ever is now officially over! spring break is on, and I am just so happy to have the next ten days free of school-related worries! (I have to do some reading at some point, but still, totes stress free). maybe now I can actually get some writing done.

 

which leads me to a question. with the passage of time, how much do you think changing a canon character's attitude/demeanor is possible? I just rewrote a small bit of my ME story and put Jack into a scene (my story takes place 20 years post reaper war) and I decided that after 20 years of teaching biotic kids, being a mentor, and working with the alliance, she'd be a much less volatile/vulgar person. however, in rereading my rough draft of that bit, I find myself wondering if her fans will cry foul about it. *ponders* not that I particularly feel like rewriting it again, especially given my vague plans for down the road that will better illustrate that the old Jack still lurks in there somewhere, but still... after twenty years of growing and maturing, I am taking liberties with many of the old Normandy crew... not because I feel I couldn't capture them as they were in the games, but because I just don't see any of them not growing and maturing (and thus changing) with such a stretch of time behind them.