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#9526
MrStoob

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It was my own fault.  Pewdiepie posted a vid called 'Frozen Fanfics' so I felt compelled to click on it (guilty pleasure of Disney princesses... no, not like that).  Good god.  But Pewdiepie and his co-host dealt with them humorously enough, tastefully re-creating the scenes using the sisters' models in Garry's Mod.

 

Not really surprising that fan fic gets a bad rap.  That scene in the BBC's Sherlock where it starts out seeming as though Sherlock and Watson are about to kiss... then it turns out it's a fan writing fan fic about the famous detective.  That's the mainstream view it would seem, that it's all lemons, rule 63, and wish fulfilment.

 

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Oh, top post it would seem.  Here's a bit I didn't use for Falere when stuck alone at the monastery.  Didn't really fit in with the tale I was doing but I liked the general concept

 

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“What shall we do today, Mendius?” she says brightly.

Her omni-tool blips and beeps.

“Oh... but...” distress comes across her voice, “I don't want to go in there... What? I know there might be useful things in there but... I don't want to...”

She presses a few more times on the omni-tool, scanning the for anything of use in another area. There is little left that she hasn't already found. She skips outside to check on her vegetable patch.

“Hmm...” she assesses. “Another couple of days yet. At least. Hmm. But we don't need anything from down there, Mendius! No! I don't need a weapon! If they were coming back they would have by now!”

She sits on the ground and puts her head in her hands.

“No! I won't do it!” she shouts then sobs, “I don't want to see Rila like that...”



#9527
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You know, this is getting stupid now.  I did a scene where Gordon Freeman and Chell meet, she makes a joke about their matching orange attire.  Then it occurred to me.  Cutter (the protagonist from Outcast, in which there is also dimensional travel) wears orange.  Dare I?  lol



#9528
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Jeebus, this page of the thread has almost become a 3-man show between myself, Stoob, and Kerns, lol.  Also with cameo appearances by Yuri and Gamer!  :D 

But yeah, yay for catharsis!  I have to believe that it's half the reason I write at all.  A lot of the emotions I felt I needed to work through got resolved in my past two Mass Effect fics.  I think that's partially why I've taken so long to develop my current one.  It doesn't help that this interim period has given rise to a multitude of fanfic ideas.  Work and school further muddy the waters, and there's the ever-present gaming and anime to further distract me!

 

I really need to invest in good dictation software, just so I can narrate and transfer the stories to my computer on my long drives from work and home.

Dictation software during your drive to and from work? really? you must be a much calmer driver than me! if I tried dictating while driving, there would be way too many "are you blind? you almost ran me off the road! try using a blinker a##clown!" and "jesus, the speed limit is 35! I'm going 40! get off my a##, jerkface!" and especially "median! it's there for a reason! don't hit your breaks before getting over you moron!" or the most oft-used "learn to drive or stay home!"

 

yes. I am an angry driver. but in my defense, 99% of the people on the road should have their licenses revoked and be permanently limited to walking or taking the bus, with no appeal or chance of overturning the limitation.

 

but anywho, good on you stoob, kerns and seracen for bringing conversation back to the thread! *applauds* I stop by to read it regularly but sadly don't have much to say since I've done no (story-related) writing in a couple of months. and now school has started up again, and what little free time I have is spent with the worlds greatest girls (my sisters) or playing DA:I or Alien: Isolation. so sadly I don't have anything to contribute.

 

but on a totally non-writing, off-topic question... have any of you ever met someone whose general tone of voice and manner of speaking makes them sound insanely condescending? sort of like they believe they're perpetually speaking to 3-year olds? because I have a teacher this semester who (seems to) talk down to everyone, all the time. just her tone of voice is what I'd associate with a parent trying to explain adult problems to a small child. and it genuinely makes me want to slap that brittle, disingenuous smile right off of her annoying, resting b#tchface.

 

hmm. I think I may have some pent-up anger. reading back, my post here is violent tonight! *pout* I think I need chocolate milk. and chocolate ice cream. with chocolate sauce. and chocolate chips, and chocolate sprinkles. and a good old 5am baby sister Disney invasion.
 



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Ha!  Good to see you, Yuri.  Vent away!  And I'm glad to see that you got sorted out to play DA:I .



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oh yeah. *smiles* I got my Xbox One from my mom and one of my sisters for Christmas, and then my two youngest sisters pooled their money to get me Alien: Isolation, and I had already had DA:I since it's release date just waiting for my Xbox One so I could play. so it was a pretty awesome Christmas except for one little issue... of course, some douchebag jerkface hackers decided to hit the Xbox servers on Christmas night, taking down core services, making it impossible to port over my gamertag and actually play, so I had to wait until the day after...

 

I hate hackers. if they want to mess with big corporations, I guess I get it... sorta? but the only people they really inconvenience or annoy is the average consumer. *frowns* if they take down the world of warcraft servers or knock out service on the call of duty servers or whatever, do they really think the company actually cares? the company execs are probably like... "sweet. get it back up when you can. in the meantime, take the opportunity to do standard maintenance. no need to rush. we can take extra time and blame it on the hackers later." while all the players are the ones that actually get upset about it.



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Well, supposedly the hackers are getting indicted, so at least XBL and PSN are safe for the time being.  As for your teacher, maybe she's just extremely "tye A personality," whether b/c she's had to be, or that's how she's always been.  A lot of times, people like that are simply tired of getting used to dealing with people who NEED to be talked down to (whether b/c they are being aggressive or stupid).  It's totally possible that your teacher simply doesn't know HOW to deal with people in any other way, simply b/c she's had to deal with other arrogant, or stupid, people for so long.

 

It doesn't excuse the behavior, but it might explain it.  My solution was to be courteous and engaging, so the person in question realized I was neither dumb NOR trying to confront her authority/educational merit.  Usually that was good enough for 1-2 conversations of non-condescension, whereupon I'd repeat the process (or sigh internally and ignore it altogether).

 

In other news...

 

So a reviewer sent me yet MORE links to smut fanfiction, perhaps in the hopes that I would turn their favorite ME coupling into a full-fledged harlequin romance!  It's amusing.  I really don't know why they think I would do some amazing job of it.  I'm somewhat flattered, and YES I DID have some steamy scenes in my story.  However, personally I get fatigued on the over-use of ANY kind of scenes, much less sex and violence.  That stuff is fun, but only when used properly.  If there's anything I overuse and don't mind, it's character interaction and dialogue (although one could argue that this could also get boring, so I try to reign it in, with varying degrees of success).

 

I wrote a story once that had fighting in every freaking chapter.  I eventually got tired of writing it, and even some of my readers suggested I focus more on the storytelling.  This was the "turning point" I spoke of before, in terms of my writing.  I got a really good review, telling me how the story was interesting, but weighed down with all this pointless action.  I eventually realized I was being too indulgent with the story, and ultimately dropped it.  I had an outline for the ending, but I was no longer motivated to write the thing, it had become too cumbersome.  This has informed my writing ever since.

 

As for the sex, as I've said before, I am more interested in the ROMANCE element, and emotional payout.  If it's nothing but rutting, it's worth a cheap thrill, but ultimately falls flat.  I've read nonstop sexfics before, and quickly became bored.  The best I've managed, with this recent "suggested reading," is to read the dialogue between the sex scenes for emotional content, and skip the sex entirely.  The author actually had some compelling content, and made the baseline emotional connections required, so I was interested.  But I couldn't be bothered to read YET ANOTHER scene of mindless "action," whatever form it took.  It's sad when you begin "fast forwarding" through the "good parts."

 

Which brings me back to the point I always make: make sure your scenes have a point, and use your "big guns" sparingly.  Character death, consummation of relationships, epic battle sequences, all these things are tools in the arsenal.  You don't want them to get rusty, but you don't want to wear them out either.  Bah, I am on the soapbox again!



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I'm always quite coy about using the 'big guns' as it were.  Indeed, rather like the lemons, if it's all one thing, it's all one thing, be it rutting, battles, arguments, doting, or whatever.  I like it when you get the chance to do the 'trundling along' chapters, the chance to open another window on a character through innocuous activity, and to add a little humour if that's not already the vain of the fic.  Never been a big fan of doing battle scenes, ground or otherwise.  I think because it's too much linear activity in one go.  It can be broken up into POVs, as I think we've discussed before, but we all have our weaknesses, and I know that sustaining that level of description is one of mine. :rolleyes:

 

Edit:

A fair review/comment, I would say, considering the brain spew that my crossover is.

 

"That was...confusing.

But FUN!"

 

Currently more like 'a series of seemingly unconnected events involving characters from all the franchises in the hope that something resolves itself into an actual story at some point'. lol  The Freeman and Chell sections are the most coherent and I've got a fun 'odd couple' thing going on with them, the Liz/Luteces bits are charming enough I think, G-Man hums his way through his speech ("mmmDoctor Freeman") and of course is more involved in the whole affair than lets on, and the bits in between are ambiguous at best.  GLaDOS has only had two lines so far, but her days are numbered anyway.  I'm glad at least that it comes across as 'fun' as that's just what I'm doing with it, having fun with it, not overly concerned with the ins and outs just getting some nice scenes out with some nice dialogue.  I find I can move to the next chapt more easily if I post stuff; it's done, next!, kind of thing.  So while I'm probably very premature in my posting, meh.   :D



#9533
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@YurigirlzCrush:  On the subject of condescending teachers -- a chappie called 'Shaw' once said something (unflattering) about teachers which always springs to mind in such cases.  I've found it a source of much comfort over the years (barring the odd argument with teachers and their ilk)  :devil:

 

As for 'keeping one's powder dry' I've got a battle sequence due and 'Oh boy!'   :D am I dreading it.  After several chapters of conversations, changing back into 'action mode' is going to be jarring but my main worry is trying to get it done in time.  My last comparable effort was 'Three Little Words' which ended up around 5k words, took a couple of months, and I'm still not overly happy with the result... :unsure:  Maybe I'll come up with a work-around?  <_<

 

Anyway to my real motive for coming out of the woodwork!  (Sorry folks!)  I'm looking for a really good Saren quote for the highlighted section, preferably from the close of ME when he was, pretty much, husk-like but not Sovereign's sock-puppet.  Something that could wriggle inside Shepard's head and give them nightmares or would I be better served by not using a direct quote and just say something about how K's appearance reminds Shepard of Saren?  Personally I'd like to use a quote, but if it's not working then...[click]...maybe it's time to follow hot_heart's advice? 

 

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The vibrant red hair that Shepard remembered had been cut, shaved away, leaving only a short and patchy fuzz of re-growth; and in the bald patches the Spectre could see a faint glow from the cybernetics hidden just under Kelly's skin. But it was Kelly's eyes that caused Shepard to grip the helmet in his hands so forcefully; the youthful, vibrant, green that had always held so much life had been replaced with metallic orbs. Cold, blue, orbs that haunted too many of Shepard's nightmares.

 

...a vision of the future of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth!” For all his claims Saren had, in the end, been just another husk. Unable to defy the Reapers even by dying – and now Cerberus had done the same thing to one of their own.

 

“She's still in there. Somewhere.” Jacob said as he gripped Shepard's shoulder, the sudden contact breaking the Spectre's horror, “[Brynn] and the others are working on a way that might remove some of the implants–”

 

“Some? Jacob, look at her!” Shepard interrupted, the helmet in the Spectre's hands shook, “Look. At. Her.”

 

“I have.” Jacob's voice was calm but the former Cerberus soldier's own horror wasn't completely hidden, “Believe me, I have.”

 

Shepard's next words choked in his throat as Kelly's armoured hands met his own, gently reclaiming her helmet from the Spectre's trembling grasp before returning it to her head. As the cold metallic eyes once again disappeared behind the blacked out visor, Shepard shrugged off Jacob's hand and stood up.

 

“Kai Leng claims that will happen to Miranda too.” Shepard's voice was hollow as he stared at the occupied hard-suit sitting on the bed.



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@YurigirlzCrush:  On the subject of condescending teachers -- a chappie called 'Shaw' once said something (unflattering) about teachers which always springs to mind in such cases.  I've found it a source of much comfort over the years (barring the odd argument with teachers and their ilk)  :devil:

 

As for 'keeping one's powder dry' I've got a battle sequence due and 'Oh boy!'   :D am I dreading it.  After several chapters of conversations, changing back into 'action mode' is going to be jarring but my main worry is trying to get it done in time.  My last comparable effort was 'Three Little Words' which ended up around 5k words, took a couple of months, and I'm still not overly happy with the result... :unsure:  Maybe I'll come up with a work-around?  <_<

 

Anyway to my real motive for coming out of the woodwork!  (Sorry folks!)  I'm looking for a really good Saren quote for the highlighted section, preferably from the close of ME when he was, pretty much, husk-like but not Sovereign's sock-puppet.  Something that could wriggle inside Shepard's head and give them nightmares or would I be better served by not using a direct quote and just say something about how K's appearance reminds Shepard of Saren?  Personally I'd like to use a quote, but if it's not working then...[click]...maybe it's time to follow hot_heart's advice? 

 

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The vibrant red hair that Shepard remembered had been cut, shaved away, leaving only a short and patchy fuzz of re-growth; and in the bald patches the Spectre could see a faint glow from the cybernetics hidden just under Kelly's skin. But it was Kelly's eyes that caused Shepard to grip the helmet in his hands so forcefully; the youthful, vibrant, green that had always held so much life had been replaced with metallic orbs. Cold, blue, orbs that haunted too many of Shepard's nightmares.

 

...a vision of the future of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth!” For all his claims Saren had, in the end, been just another husk. Unable to defy the Reapers even by dying – and now Cerberus had done the same thing to one of their own.

 

“She's still in there. Somewhere.” Jacob said as he gripped Shepard's shoulder, the sudden contact breaking the Spectre's horror, “[Brynn] and the others are working on a way that might remove some of the implants–”

 

“Some? Jacob, look at her!” Shepard interrupted, the helmet in the Spectre's hands shook, “Look. At. Her.”

 

“I have.” Jacob's voice was calm but the former Cerberus soldier's own horror wasn't completely hidden, “Believe me, I have.”

 

Shepard's next words choked in his throat as Kelly's armoured hands met his own, gently reclaiming her helmet from the Spectre's trembling grasp before returning it to her head. As the cold metallic eyes once again disappeared behind the blacked out visor, Shepard shrugged off Jacob's hand and stood up.

 

“Kai Leng claims that will happen to Miranda too.” Shepard's voice was hollow as he stared at the occupied hard-suit sitting on the bed.

 

Welcome Back!  As for the action sequence, best of luck!  As I've said before, daydreaming was always my favorite tool for such things, and I'm not above referencing movies and TV to inspire me.  If you'd like some help though, I'm more than willing to throw a fight scene your way to work off of (although I understand if you decline, I was wary the few times I had a beta help me with a chapter or two, "artistic integrity" and all that).

 

As for your posted scene: good work!  A few lines and I already want to read the rest of your story!  Alas, I am a marathon reader, so once I started on your story, I'd likely be bugging you to finish constantly, haha!  A few quotes came to mind on that scene though...

 

Though this doesn't apply to your scene as well, this is a good "doubting myself" quote: "We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we cannot win....They cannot be stopped... Is submission not preferable to extinction?"

 

There's also "Then you will die. And your companions. Everyone you know and love. Everyone you’ve ever met. Don’t you understand? You will all die!"

 

However, in this scene, I think the best quote would be "the union of organic and synthetic life" quote, which I am having trouble finding.  Added bonus of bringing in the concept of species/racial superiority for extra creep factor.  Follow that up with one of the aforementioned quotes, and I think you have a winner!

 

 

On another note: getting some more links to other peoples' stories, under the pretense of "providing inspiration" for potential approaches to my current project.  I appreciate the dialogue I am having with some of my fans...but some of those stories start out fine and end up CREEPY AS HELL!!!  I am grateful that I've managed to avoid some of the freakier parts of the "kink meme" facets of ME fanfiction.

 

I'll admit this about the matter: I like a bit of cheesecake in stories, I even find it a useful and desirable culmination of various aspects of a story.  There's a difference, however, between a good bit of fluff/smut...and other...things...  I'm not even talking about my attention span checking out from fatigue here.  My brain just refuses to process certain things at all...I went through entire portions of a story just saying "nope nope nope" to myself until I deemed it was safe again.

 

Still, I must admit that I was amused at my own reaction, looking back on it (also b/c I didn't have to read the source of my abhorrence).  I will note one positive from this exercise, however: I am far less apprehensive about any writing proclivities I might have.  At least when I cringe in terror at my content is b/c it's SUPPOSED to freak people out.

 

Well, except from when my writing is exceptionally BAD of course, haha!



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Thought there might be something of use in the Virmire confrontation.  Here's a direct quote to mull over.

"Do not mire yourself in pointless revolt.  Do not sacrifice everything for the sake of petty freedoms.  The Protheans tried to fight and they were utterly destroyed.  Trillions dead but... what if they had bowed down to the invaders?  Would the Protheans still be here?  Is submission not preferable to extinction?"

 

I think something to take from that is the questioning aspect, in that he poses them as questions without answer to create doubt in Shepard and also possibly, who is he really trying to convince?  It has an abandoned and resigned feel to it.



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Whew. Finally managed to be productive. Finished the rewrite on the sci-fi/romance story I've talked about before, and submitted it for the anthology last night. Got a reply saying their editors would look it over and let me know what they decide in about two weeks. I'll be very surprised if they accept it, since they're probably looking for Harlequin-type romance stuff, and that's just not what I write. My story is a fairly humorous adventure with some creepy-horror stuff here and there, and a fair amount of action-adventure stuff, so it probably won't fit in with the rest of the stories. Still, I think there's a lot that makes it stand out. The main character is one I've talked about here before, the woman with one whole side of her face all scarred up. I decided to make the character much more positive than I originally intended--she's managed to retain a sense of humor and an upbeat attitude despite being disfigured, rather than being bitter and angry and depressed. She doesn't let things get under her skin, or if she does, she manages to get over it quickly. I think that sets the story apart in a good way, so who knows, maybe it'll be accepted just for being something different.

 

After working on several stories that at least give me a shot at making a little money, I decided to take a break and do a chapter of one of my just-for-fun projects. I'd neglected my latest Transformers Prime fic for about four months, so I wrote a new chapter over the last few days and posted it last night. The first scene was pretty emotionally intense (lots of discussion about the difference in life spans between humans and Cybertronians), so I started the second scene with some ribald humor to break the tension. I'm not sure how Miko turned into a sex maniac in these stories, but somehow it seems to work anyway.  :P

 

 

Arcee aimed a saucy grin at him. “Well, thank you, Miko. I just might need to find a private room here and, uh, perform a little routine maintenance.”

 

“Hah.” Miko grinned. “When I do it, I just call it masturbating.”
 
Arcee burst into laughter again.
 
A voice Jack didn’t recognize came from the speakers on either side of the TV – one of the kids in whatever online game they were playing, Jack guessed.
 
“Hey, Miko, what’s the weirdest thing you’ve ever masturbated to?”
 
Oh, no. Jack buried his face in his hands.
 
“The new trailer for Mad Max: Fury Road.”
 
Silence fell and stretched out for at least ten seconds before the voice returned.
 
“I can’t decide what’s more horrifying – your answer, or the fact that you didn’t even hesitate.”
 
“I’m with ya, bud,” Jack muttered.

 

Heh. And then the scene veered off into some creepy-horror stuff involving Unicron. So, hooray for mood-whiplash, I guess.

 

What's funny is, I posted a copy on FanStory.com and this afternoon it got a comment from a 68-year-old woman who gave the chapter a 5-star rating and a positive review.  :blink: Which seems to happen fairly often on that site. Somehow, the stuff I write attracts quite a few women around that age group.

 

Now I need to dust off the novel I've had on the back burner for months and months. I've only been working on the thing for four or five years, so I need to get it finished and move on to something else.

 

Jeebus, this page of the thread has almost become a 3-man show between myself, Stoob, and Kerns, lol.  Also with cameo appearances by Yuri and Gamer!   

But yeah, yay for catharsis!  I have to believe that it's half the reason I write at all.  A lot of the emotions I felt I needed to work through got resolved in my past two Mass Effect fics.  I think that's partially why I've taken so long to develop my current one.  It doesn't help that this interim period has given rise to a multitude of fanfic ideas.  Work and school further muddy the waters, and there's the ever-present gaming and anime to further distract me!

 

I really need to invest in good dictation software, just so I can narrate and transfer the stories to my computer on my long drives from work and home.

 

Just doing my part.  :D

 

I tend to write mainly because these stories just kind of click together in my head and reach a point where I need to write them or I might have an aneurysm or something. But the catharsis does happen every now and then. Back when I worked in the one-hour photo lab at Walmart, I had plenty of things driving me off the deep end, and I'd often use them in a novel or fanfic. One particular customer got several scenes in my second novel, and one of the protagonists beat the crap out of him and caused him to soil his pants. And I've used the people I saw in that place as inspiration for all sorts of nutjobs and perverts, such as the character named Weird Walter, who has been mentioned several times in my TFP fics. A resident of Jasper, Nevada, who has a few screws loose. His antics include trying to return a box of condoms because they didn't fit. Though Miko thinks his crowning moment was the day he got high on embalming fluid and tried to have sex with a picnic table.

 

When running into irritating and bizarre people, it's always good to file them away in the back of your mind. You never know when you can use one of them to ... add a bit of flavor to a scene. 

 

Dictation software...not a bad idea. I should see if I can find a good voice recorder app for my phone so I can dictate notes....

 

Not really surprising that fan fic gets a bad rap.  That scene in the BBC's Sherlock where it starts out seeming as though Sherlock and Watson are about to kiss... then it turns out it's a fan writing fan fic about the famous detective.  That's the mainstream view it would seem, that it's all lemons, rule 63, and wish fulfilment.

 

 

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I tend not to mention my writing fanfiction to my RL friends. Only one of them ever saw any of it, and that was about twenty years ago, when the stuff I wrote was crap. He hasn't mentioned seeing any of my more recent work, which I'm much happier with. Some of the people I worked with a number of years ago stumbled onto some sample chapters from my novels and talked a bit about it, but it kind of faded away. I haven't talked about any of my writing with them or any of my other RL friends, mainly because I was a complete failure at getting anything published until my third novel was accepted two years ago. I keep thinking I should finally start talking about it and posting updates on Facebook (most of my friends there are my friends in real life, people I've worked with and grown up with). It might draw in a few dozen more readers, but I'm very nervous about any of them finding out I write fanfiction, even though like I said, I'm really happy with the way my TFP and ME fics have turned out. Just because of that image people have of it....

 

Dictation software during your drive to and from work? really? you must be a much calmer driver than me! if I tried dictating while driving, there would be way too many "are you blind? you almost ran me off the road! try using a blinker a##clown!" and "jesus, the speed limit is 35! I'm going 40! get off my a##, jerkface!" and especially "median! it's there for a reason! don't hit your breaks before getting over you moron!" or the most oft-used "learn to drive or stay home!"

 

yes. I am an angry driver. but in my defense, 99% of the people on the road should have their licenses revoked and be permanently limited to walking or taking the bus, with no appeal or chance of overturning the limitation.

 

but anywho, good on you stoob, kerns and seracen for bringing conversation back to the thread! *applauds* I stop by to read it regularly but sadly don't have much to say since I've done no (story-related) writing in a couple of months. and now school has started up again, and what little free time I have is spent with the worlds greatest girls (my sisters) or playing DA:I or Alien: Isolation. so sadly I don't have anything to contribute.

 

but on a totally non-writing, off-topic question... have any of you ever met someone whose general tone of voice and manner of speaking makes them sound insanely condescending? sort of like they believe they're perpetually speaking to 3-year olds? because I have a teacher this semester who (seems to) talk down to everyone, all the time. just her tone of voice is what I'd associate with a parent trying to explain adult problems to a small child. and it genuinely makes me want to slap that brittle, disingenuous smile right off of her annoying, resting b#tchface.

 

 

I know what you mean about drivers. After two years of living in Tucson, my only complaint about this place is the way people drive. Everyone tailgates. Everyone. Every single street I drive on, there's always someone nearly touching my rear bumper no matter how fast I'm going. It just drives me insane when the limit is 25 mph and there's some redneck in a gigantic truck less than six inches from my bumper and everyone in the other lane is passing me like I'm racing in the opposite direction. Especially since there's at least one car crash here almost every day. Everywhere I go, I'm always finding roadside memorials for people who were killed in car accidents, and I'm always driving past the scene of an accident. You'd think people would learn after a while, but they never do.

 

As for incredibly condescending people, yeah, I've met more than my share. Almost all of them when I worked at Walmart. I worked in the one-hour-photo department and the camera department before they combined it with electronics, and I was constantly meeting people who didn't have enough brainpower to light up a single LED, yet they always thought they knew more about everything than I did and spoke to me like I didn't even have two synapses to rub together. (which made me wonder why they were asking for help in the first place, if they knew so damned much about it). I even had people who would actually stare down their noses at me. A coworker had a customer flat-out say to her face that all Walmart employees are idiots. Meanwhile, every day I had customers asking me how to turn their camera on, and I'd point to it and say, "See that huge silver button with the word ON next to it? Yeah. Push that." The worst was the copyright violations. Had one or more people every single day come in with professional photos trying to copy them, and having to explain to them that it's illegal without a copyright release. And since at least 95% of that little town's population were complete and utter a-holes, they'd immediately launch into a yelling, screaming tirade and say I was lying to them and whatever else. Kept having people telling me that it wasn't a professional photo even when it had a watermark on the front or the words PROFESSIONAL PHOTO -- COPYRIGHTED -- DO NOT COPY on the back. Had a guy trying to print an anime character and when I explained the copyright law, he looked down his nose at me and said, "That's an American law, but this is a Japanese picture!"

 

Now that I think about it, I had a few managers in that place who acted like that. Not the department managers. The store assistant managers. Most of them were absolutely infuriating. One of them had to be told how to turn a camera on ... repeatedly. She'd come in a day or two later and ask how to turn the same camera on. Yet she always acted like everyone else was beneath her.

 

Stuff like that is the main reason I was so desperate to leave that town. Almost everyone acted like that, so even if I'd quit that job and gotten a job at another store, it would've been a different toilet but it would've just been the same old crap.

 

 

So a reviewer sent me yet MORE links to smut fanfiction, perhaps in the hopes that I would turn their favorite ME coupling into a full-fledged harlequin romance!  It's amusing.  I really don't know why they think I would do some amazing job of it.  I'm somewhat flattered, and YES I DID have some steamy scenes in my story.  However, personally I get fatigued on the over-use of ANY kind of scenes, much less sex and violence.  That stuff is fun, but only when used properly.  If there's anything I overuse and don't mind, it's character interaction and dialogue (although one could argue that this could also get boring, so I try to reign it in, with varying degrees of success).

 

I wrote a story once that had fighting in every freaking chapter.  I eventually got tired of writing it, and even some of my readers suggested I focus more on the storytelling.  This was the "turning point" I spoke of before, in terms of my writing.  I got a really good review, telling me how the story was interesting, but weighed down with all this pointless action.  I eventually realized I was being too indulgent with the story, and ultimately dropped it.  I had an outline for the ending, but I was no longer motivated to write the thing, it had become too cumbersome.  This has informed my writing ever since.

 

As for the sex, as I've said before, I am more interested in the ROMANCE element, and emotional payout.  If it's nothing but rutting, it's worth a cheap thrill, but ultimately falls flat.  I've read nonstop sexfics before, and quickly became bored.  The best I've managed, with this recent "suggested reading," is to read the dialogue between the sex scenes for emotional content, and skip the sex entirely.  The author actually had some compelling content, and made the baseline emotional connections required, so I was interested.  But I couldn't be bothered to read YET ANOTHER scene of mindless "action," whatever form it took.  It's sad when you begin "fast forwarding" through the "good parts."

 

Which brings me back to the point I always make: make sure your scenes have a point, and use your "big guns" sparingly.  Character death, consummation of relationships, epic battle sequences, all these things are tools in the arsenal.  You don't want them to get rusty, but you don't want to wear them out either.  Bah, I am on the soapbox again!

 

Heh. Fortunately, I haven't had that happen very often. I remember one reader sent me a link like that, and I admit I was curious since the story was about Dude-Shep and a female version of Garrus. I pulled the ripcord during the first sex scene because the dialogue was so goddamned stupid it made me burst out laughing. Another time, someone asked me to read his story, and I got as far as the description before bailing out. One of the words in the description was "incest." As soon as I saw that, I just went, "Nope!"

 

As for writing nothing but sex, or nothing but action, or whatever, yeah, that gets tedious when there's nothing to interrupt it. I try to balance it as much as I can...after a long dramatic or horrific scene, I think it's a good idea to slip some humorous dialogue in to break the tension every now and then. Or intersperse action scenes with quiet scenes, and so on. The only time I really wrote wall-to-wall action was the ME one-shot I did a few months ago --and that was just something I needed to write down while it was fresh in my head and had just finished clicking into place. Two quiet scenes at the beginning, then nothing but the protagonist tearing through hundreds of mercs for the next 10,000 or more words. Since it's a plot I'm planning to work into Freelancers later on, it'll be much more balanced, with dialogue scenes and humor and scenes that flesh out some of the characters more, and so on. But I needed to get it out of my system...so there's the catharsis again, heh. Most of the stuff I write has quiet scenes breaking up the tense or action-packed ones. For some reason, I kind of gravitated toward writing action-adventure stuff, to the point where another writer asked me to teach her how to write it ... but I'm wondering if it's the interspersing other kinds of scenes with the action that makes the action seem more effective than it would otherwise. Without it, I'm pretty sure readers would get sick of it pretty quickly.

 

 

As for 'keeping one's powder dry' I've got a battle sequence due and 'Oh boy!'    :D am I dreading it.  After several chapters of conversations, changing back into 'action mode' is going to be jarring but my main worry is trying to get it done in time.  My last comparable effort was 'Three Little Words' which ended up around 5k words, took a couple of months, and I'm still not overly happy with the result...  :unsure:  Maybe I'll come up with a work-around?   <_<

 

Anyway to my real motive for coming out of the woodwork!  (Sorry folks!)  I'm looking for a really good Saren quote for the highlighted section, preferably from the close of ME when he was, pretty much, husk-like but not Sovereign's sock-puppet.  Something that could wriggle inside Shepard's head and give them nightmares or would I be better served by not using a direct quote and just say something about how K's appearance reminds Shepard of Saren?  Personally I'd like to use a quote, but if it's not working then...[click]...maybe it's time to follow hot_heart's advice? 

 

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The vibrant red hair that Shepard remembered had been cut, shaved away, leaving only a short and patchy fuzz of re-growth; and in the bald patches the Spectre could see a faint glow from the cybernetics hidden just under Kelly's skin. But it was Kelly's eyes that caused Shepard to grip the helmet in his hands so forcefully; the youthful, vibrant, green that had always held so much life had been replaced with metallic orbs. Cold, blue, orbs that haunted too many of Shepard's nightmares.

 

...a vision of the future of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth!” For all his claims Saren had, in the end, been just another husk. Unable to defy the Reapers even by dying – and now Cerberus had done the same thing to one of their own.

 

“She's still in there. Somewhere.” Jacob said as he gripped Shepard's shoulder, the sudden contact breaking the Spectre's horror, “[Brynn] and the others are working on a way that might remove some of the implants–”

 

“Some? Jacob, look at her!” Shepard interrupted, the helmet in the Spectre's hands shook, “Look. At. Her.”

 

“I have.” Jacob's voice was calm but the former Cerberus soldier's own horror wasn't completely hidden, “Believe me, I have.”

 

Shepard's next words choked in his throat as Kelly's armoured hands met his own, gently reclaiming her helmet from the Spectre's trembling grasp before returning it to her head. As the cold metallic eyes once again disappeared behind the blacked out visor, Shepard shrugged off Jacob's hand and stood up.

 

“Kai Leng claims that will happen to Miranda too.” Shepard's voice was hollow as he stared at the occupied hard-suit sitting on the bed.

 

First off, that's a marvelously eerie scene. Good job.  :)  I don't have any ideas on quotes, but for action sequences, if you're interested, I somewhat recently did a breakdown of action scenes in the one-shot I mentioned above, with detailed notes inserted into the narration. Might give you some ideas. ^_^ And Seracen's suggestion of daydreaming is an excellent idea. It's how I came up with most of the action scenes in that one-shot.

 

Welcome Back!  As for the action sequence, best of luck!  As I've said before, daydreaming was always my favorite tool for such things, and I'm not above referencing movies and TV to inspire me.  If you'd like some help though, I'm more than willing to throw a fight scene your way to work off of (although I understand if you decline, I was wary the few times I had a beta help me with a chapter or two, "artistic integrity" and all that).

 

[SNIP]

 

On another note: getting some more links to other peoples' stories, under the pretense of "providing inspiration" for potential approaches to my current project.  I appreciate the dialogue I am having with some of my fans...but some of those stories start out fine and end up CREEPY AS HELL!!!  I am grateful that I've managed to avoid some of the freakier parts of the "kink meme" facets of ME fanfiction.

 

I'll admit this about the matter: I like a bit of cheesecake in stories, I even find it a useful and desirable culmination of various aspects of a story.  There's a difference, however, between a good bit of fluff/smut...and other...things...  I'm not even talking about my attention span checking out from fatigue here.  My brain just refuses to process certain things at all...I went through entire portions of a story just saying "nope nope nope" to myself until I deemed it was safe again.

 

Still, I must admit that I was amused at my own reaction, looking back on it (also b/c I didn't have to read the source of my abhorrence).  I will note one positive from this exercise, however: I am far less apprehensive about any writing proclivities I might have.  At least when I cringe in terror at my content is b/c it's SUPPOSED to freak people out.

 

Well, except from when my writing is exceptionally BAD of course, haha!

 

Daydreaming does work quite well, I've found. As mentioned above, it's how I came up with most of the stuff in the one-shot. And I also get a lot of inspiration from TV shows, movies, and video games, for action scenes in particular. As an example, seeing one of the trailers for Saints Row: Gat out of Hell sparked an idea for a fight scene for Valeria, which I detailed here. Basically, the trailer had a bit showing Johnny getting rid of an enemy by sweeping his legs out from under him and plunging a knife into his chest while he was still falling. I took that and embellished a bit, adding a couple of additional goons for Valeria to take out, having her knock one guy off his feet and stab him before he hits the ground, and then whirl around and throw a knife at another guy and hilt it in his skull from across the room. So, that's kind of how I work in a nutshell. I see something cool and it inspires me, and then I add to it and expand on it.

 

As for the stories that turn creepy as hell...ugh. I'm really glad that I haven't had that happen more than once or twice. When it does, I just get this look on my face like a krogan just farted near me, and say to myself, "Yeah...NO. That's not happening in my story."

 

It's exactly like you said, it's the romantic element -- the emotions of the characters -- that matter. As an example, when I started writing my TFP stories, one of the reasons I thought the idea of "Jack/Arcee" was interesting was specifically because they couldn't have sex, since she didn't have the right parts. I thought the idea of writing a teenage character who wasn't driven by hormones was kind of unique, and liked the idea of someone being in love even though they knew they couldn't do everything that other couples take for granted. But then I ended up writing myself into a corner when I added some Pretenders to the story, most of whom simply wanted to live in peace after losing their homeworld...but there were a few who were still full-throttle evil. Just because the idea made my skin crawl, I had one of my OCs find out that her husband had been killed a week before and replaced by a Pretender, and she never realized it until the body was found. It's one of the most horrifying things I could imagine happening.

 

Then I realized that, with Pretender technology available, sooner or later someone would start clamoring for Jack and Arcee to use it to hump it out. (And a bit later on, I did get a few requests/suggestions for exactly that.)  Since I had to deal with it somehow, the second story had Arcee end up severely damaged and needing to temporarily link up to an "empty" Pretender shell just so she could stay in the fight until her real body was repaired. Then I just kept thinking up excuses for her and Jack not to "do it" even though it's entirely possible for them now.  :D  Four stories into the series, and I'm keeping the progression of their relationship slow. They're not just skipping straight to the sex. They're holding off on it because they know they're not ready yet. (It's actually such an alien concept to Arcee that she was kind of grossed out by it at first, and has only recently begun to get her mind around it.) And when it finally does happen, it'll be "off screen" after one of those "fade to black" moments and a scene transition. Because I figured their relationship should be about how they feel about each other, how they interact, how they work together on the battlefield, and what they do when they're just hanging out with each other. It shouldn't be about, "Hey, now you've got a body that has all the right equipment -- we'll bang, okay?"

 

And if I'm really feeling puckish, I might write a few scenes with them deciding to go for it, but then they keep getting interrupted by someone shooting at them, or whatever, until they give up out of frustration.  :D

 

And I should wrap this up here while my brain is still functioning. Getting late and there's still stuff I need to catch up on ....



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Oh, how is DA:I by the way?  Did BW get it right first go this time?  I haven't seen any news about cupcakes... lol



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I love DA:I. as far as recent bioware games go, I have the fewest complaints about this one. 90% through my second playthrough at the moment. I don't know what other people thought of it, but I consider it well worth the time I waited to play it. *smiles* the majority of what little free time I have so far this semester has been devoted to it.



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There's hope for Mass Effect 4 yet then.

 

Due to the thoughts running around my head about HL/Portal/Bioshock/System Shock and not wanting to veer so far off topic here, I've started a blog of my ponderings.  As we said earlier, putting thoughts to paper (as t'were) seems to aid the process beyond making notes.  There's one post about ME so far but mainly Bioshock/HL/Portal.

 

It's also interesting writing for public consumption in a completely different form.  I'm not story telling, I'm just pondering so it's actually me talking.  Seem to have had a small amount of traffic (shared with friends and fam on FB so dunno if mainly from there, just to give them some insight into my ff madness) but meh, it's as much for my benefit as anyone else's.  :)



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@MrStoob:  Hope for ME4?  On consoles...maybe....  :?  (Unhappy DA:I PC owner)  

Don't want to de-rail the thread so that's all I'm going to say on that topic.

 

Anyway just wanted to thank everyone for their replies (Hadn't really considered Virmire, MrStoob -- but it's an idea!)  regarding Saren quotes.  I'm still not entirely sold on the idea...but I'm leaning towards it over my other options (big flashback, description)

 

As for the upcoming action?  I might delay that a bit, thinking of taking a short breather from Stuck and maybe doing a kind-of Valentine's one-shot story (on the other hand that's a short 2-week window at the rate I'm writing  <_<)

 

Also, sorry, wanted to apologise for not replying sooner folks!



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The usual porting issues Fatigues?

 

And yea, 'reveals'.  Choosing how and when, how much to foreshadow/hint, how dramatic you make it while not trying to overplay it, and so on; that can be a bit of a balancing act.



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You know, the few issues I had with DA:I were solved quite handily by various mods.  I never really used tactical view, but the mod for that worked quite well also.  My current faves are Casandra with less pronounced/healing scars (unfortunately the creator has removed them due to stupid comments by fanboys), and alternate Inquisitor PJ's and Finery (Halamshiral clothes).

 

To be fair, it's a bit disappointing that some content had to be cut.  Also, until the "Corypheus/Samson/Calpernia reveal," I was getting somewhat bored by the story (PSA: LEAVE THE HINTERLANDS, YOU CAN COME BACK LATER!!!).  But compared to what I was expecting (Dragon Age 2.5), it was imminently more satisfying.  If I have any nagging issues with it, it's the lack of a few romance options (eg: unresolved Scout Harding, more substantial Isabella), certain racial/gender/orientations got far less options.  I play all sorts of characters, but this is the one BW game where straight males get (relatively) screwed in the romance department.  Then again, my Qunari female didn't have that many options either.  Still, a minor issue in an otherwise very pleasant experience.

 

@ Fatigued: best of luck with the writing!  Go for that one-shot, nobody said it has to be of any particular length.  Hell, print a chapter on V-day, then post the rest on your own schedule, if that's what's needed to cleanse you palate, as it were.

 

As for reveals...that's partly why I postpone posting my stories until I'm at least halfway done.  Much easier to pepper in various bits of foreshadowing and random tidbits when I already know what's happened, and when.  Almost every scene from my villain's POV was written well after the story had progressed passed that point.  Heck, I only had scenes planned, but no idea how to place them until after the denouement of whatever related plotpoint had been written!



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I sort of wish I could show that kind of restraint and refrain from posting so readily.  There was the odd theme in my ME triology that I ended up completely ignoring because at the time of writing I thought, "I'll expand on that later when things have moved on a bit." but due to not planning properly basically forgot.  So there's seeds in there that never go anywhere unfortunately.



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I sort of wish I could show that kind of restraint and refrain from posting so readily.  There was the odd theme in my ME triology that I ended up completely ignoring because at the time of writing I thought, "I'll expand on that later when things have moved on a bit." but due to not planning properly basically forgot.  So there's seeds in there that never go anywhere unfortunately.

 

Eh, I don't mind the odd red herring here and there.  Sometimes things just evolve in different ways.  Life is that way, so why can't writing be the same?  As long as the "red herring" doesn't become some ham-fisted "twist," I think it's fine.  Sometimes it takes a while to realize certain elements of the story just won't work, but can't be excised from what's already there.

 

For me, that happened in several ways...

 

1) I never addressed "the Indoctrination Theory" in my "Paladins" story.  It was there momentarily in "Requiem," but it was only ever supposed to be a false-positive in "Paladins."  The idea was that the new Council wasn't sure if there were residual effects akin to Indoctrination.  It ends up being "simple" PTSD that Shepard is suffering from.  Ashley was supposed to force him to face it, while Jack helped him work through it.  It was an interesting idea, but I never really developed it that far.  As a throwaway tidbit from its inception, it was easy to cut the content in lieu of more important things.

 

2) Entire characters were removed from the story.  It ended up being too cumbersome to keep certain characters around, so they either were removed, or became mere cameos.  A benefit from this was more for the existing characters to do, which made them more important.  Win-win in my opinion!

 

3) Entire plots/planets/epic battle scenes were removed.  Originally, I had two giant "set pieces" akin to the assault on the Citadel from ME1. I ended up removing them because: A) the story was getting cumbersome, and B ) at nearly 400 pages, I was getting burned out, lol!  So, the assault on the Citadel ends up being closer to ME3, which segued nicely into a final confrontation reminiscent of ME2's climax.

 

Sure, I ended up marginalizing certain plots and characters.  The signs are there, if you know what to look for.  On the whole, however, I feel that it makes the story more organic, and I can't say I'm displeased with the results.  Like I said before, I've tried the whole weekly/monthly posting thing, and it was fun to write that way.  In fact, I think that way is more successful in terms of garnering reviews.

 

Well, maybe if I had the patience to post a chapter a week once I was done writing, I could have achieved more reviews, but once I was done, I just felt like throwing the whole thing online, haha!  Still, I wouldn't change my approach to "Paladins" for anything.  Correction: if someone told me "XYZ will guarantee a job on Bioware's writing crew," then yes, I'd gladly change up my format.  But anything short of that :P .


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Still, I wouldn't change my approach to "Paladins" for anything.  Correction: if someone told me "XYZ will guarantee a job on Bioware's writing crew," then yes, I'd gladly change up my format.  But anything short of that :P .

Ha!  Indeed, they can have my first born too! (if I had one)

 

Great article came up on the writer's circle thing on FB by Neil Gaiman of Sandman fame: How to be a writer.  He starts out saying that you just need to get your thoughts down on paper and try to form that into a story you want to tell, and at that point, you are a writer!  'Only kidding' he says, and goes on to describe a magical berry tree that at an assigned hour five crows come and pick the berries.  You must catch one of these crows and takes its berry, put it under your tongue but not swallow it... and so on, until you recite some nonsense and swallow the berry.  Rather a tongue-in-cheek way of saying, "You want to write?  Then write."  I enjoyed the facetiousness anyway.



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On DA:I (sorry folks!) my big gripes are the nigh-useless Tactical View (TV was the reason I gave DA:I a chance) and how lazily put together the KB&M controls feel -- but that's technical stuff.  

My two concerns for ME:Next are:

(1) How soulless DA:I's big maps feel; it's as if they inflated the mako sections from ME and just added more collectables, there's a few little stories but still... :unsure:

(2) The 'gating' (ie you need X amount of power to continue) of the main story which, basically, forces you off the story and into either the shallow MMO fetch stuff or sidekick loyalty missions for no other reason than the fact you need an X value in an otherwise meaningless statistic.  IMHO, that is not good story-telling.  <_<

 

*Rant Over*

 

Anyway had a brief stab at the Valentine thing and after a while something struck me; what I had written was a bit too 'feminine' I suppose.  Let me try to explain that.  The idea I had was to try and keep Shepard's gender/appearance undefined, so the reader could insert 'their' Shepard into the story...only as I was writing, the word's I was using and the way my sentences were constructed, just seemed 'feminine' in some way.  Now is it just my head (that big & empty thing atop my neck  :D) being daft, or has anyone else come across this?  :blink:  



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Initial thoughts, but I've not had that particular issue before...

 

Is this your own perceptions of what's being said, due to trying to be more neutral in tone?  *hears ice crack*  Do you view a more neutral stance as feminine, and a more purposeful stance and masculine? *whoops, the thin ice broke*  Ha!  I'm dancing around the issue a bit there, because I obviously don't know you well enough to make an assertion either way but unless overtly stereotyped, I'd think neutral would be just that.

 

In other news...

 

The incorrect grammar/spelling critique, in that the reviewer is the one actually incorrect in their assumption.  'Unassembled box'.  I was 'called out' because they asserted that the correct antonym for 'assembled' is 'disassembled'.  'Unassembled': yet to be assembled, 'disassembled': no longer assembled from a state of previously being assembled.  I corrected them quite neutrally, explaining the difference between the two but I'd think that someone would at least look the word up before casting their stone!  :blink:



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Eh, some people just want something to say sometimes, or they find find themselves too lazy to even Google something.  I don't know how many times I've had to explain a particular piece of vocabulary to someone who has messaged me.  It's a bit flattering actually, as someone once told me they read my fanfic to help prepare for the vocab portion of the SAT, haha!

 

 

On DA:I (sorry folks!) my big gripes are the nigh-useless Tactical View (TV was the reason I gave DA:I a chance) and how lazily put together the KB&M controls feel -- but that's technical stuff.  

 

[snip]

 

Anyway had a brief stab at the Valentine thing and after a while something struck me; what I had written was a bit too 'feminine' I suppose.  Let me try to explain that.  The idea I had was to try and keep Shepard's gender/appearance undefined, so the reader could insert 'their' Shepard into the story...only as I was writing, the word's I was using and the way my sentences were constructed, just seemed 'feminine' in some way.  Now is it just my head (that big & empty thing atop my neck  :D) being daft, or has anyone else come across this?  :blink:  

 

Yeah, I can understand some of your gripes.  Like I said though, the mods actually helped to address the Tac View and KBM controls, so much so that one of the patches eventually addressed it somewhat (though not to the degree of the mod).  I can't really speak to the usefulness of the patch, b/c I've used them in conjunction with the mod.

 

Actually, per point 2 (gating): on a subsequent playthrough, I used a trainer to give myself "power" and a few levels.  I usually do this with PC games: one legit play, then subsequent plays I cheat my way through (hell, I'm pretty much using my friend's account to "run my character through" an MMO, b/c I just want the story, and have legitimately gotten to end-content TWICE with other characters).  Oddly enough, this lead to a more satisfying experience, as I didn't have to "fetch quest."  It's odd how speeding up the game in this manner made for a more engaging experience, but I've had that happen in other games (like an old "Devil May Cry style" hack-n-slash that required you to BUY FREAKING BULLETS...there was a cheat code to avoid that, and the game was imminently better).

 

As for point 1 (empty large spaces): I think a lot of games make the mistake of creating vast expanses for fetch questing, and confusing that with "immersion."  Somehow, in Skyrim the large environment doesn't inspire boredom to me (probably due to the lore and dynamic questing, as opposed to OBVIOUS fetching).  However, I feel like Inquisition had robust enough lore that I "forgave" the fetching, or (ignored those quests), but that's a game-weakness in its own way.  It's likely due to the amount of content that was ultimately cut out.  I actually feel that DLC geared towards "restoring" this lost content would likely solve the "empty expanse" problem, but again, that's also a thorny issue.

 

Overall, I have more hope for ME: Next, at least from a story perspective.  So long as they remember the fiasco from the last one, they will remember to take the time they need.  Also, there is less of a "bullet list" need for "open world" in the sci-fi setting (unless they are going for a SP/MP combined MMO style, which I shudder to consider).

 

 

Initial thoughts, but I've not had that particular issue before...

 

Is this your own perceptions of what's being said, due to trying to be more neutral in tone?  *hears ice crack*  Do you view a more neutral stance as feminine, and a more purposeful stance and masculine? *whoops, the thin ice broke*  Ha!  I'm dancing around the issue a bit there, because I obviously don't know you well enough to make an assertion either way but unless overtly stereotyped, I'd think neutral would be just that.

 

I can see that as a basis of "gendering" a character.  However, in my case, it's also been about nuances in dialogue (not even just "tender vs forceful," but the content) and behavior.  I had a breakdown done of my writing one time, and apparently they way I write certain scenes will come across as feminine or masculine REGARDLESS of the character in question (which, IMO works in its own way, esp to establish multi-faceted characters).

 

Then again, I've never tried creating a gender-neutral POV before.  I was considering it for my ME Ending fic (Requiem), but ultimately felt that something would be lost in the telling.  Unless I was doing a very basic one-shot, I just wouldn't be able to flow in the way I am used to.  As a result, I had my co-author work on the Femshep portion of the story.  I'll admit a preference for a male POV, but I have just as much fun with a well written female POV.  In that regard, Bioware games are unique entity: I had just as much fun with either gender of main character.

 

I think I'm just overly critical of BADLY WRITTEN POV IN GENERAL.  To wit, the WORST presentations of women I've seen are...

 

a) She's basically written as a dude, with a few superficial nods to her gender, and romances are almost porn worthy.  Granted, a few of the authors in this thread have managed to make some very compelling fics (Miranda and FemShep in particular), but this is too often the exception, rather than the rule.  Then again, one could say the same about writing in general, regardless of POV.

 

b ) Overly campy "anything you can do I can do better" mindset, that comes across as not-genuine.  FemShep is a great example of a woman who doesn't feel a need to compensate for ANYTHING.  The ONE time they reference her "abilities as a woman" was the Archangel mission in ME2, and she acquitted herself nicely in that scene.

 

c) Multiple women displaying only ONE extreme of emotion (whether it be submissive/dominant, standoffish/reconciling).  This happens a lot in anime, but basically the various women, if taken together, essentially constitute ONE character.  Then again, this is offset by the guy being a complete blank slate cipher...OH MY GOD!!!  HAREM ROMCOM ANIME HAS BECOME TWILIGHT IN REVERSE!!!

 

Still, the WORST case of writing for female characters I have come across in official and popular fiction is Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series.  Apparently, he based the females off of women he'd known in his real life.  If true, the man knew WAAAY too many caricatures of bitchiness.  A good runner up is Piers Anthony's "Incarnations of Immortality," where you can tell that he's a bit of a chauvinist.

 

To be fair, I enjoyed BOTH those works.  It's just that the shortcomings in female perspective made me want to choke something.  THEN AGAIN: the same thing can happen with poorly written male characters...

 

a) Sure, seeing an action flick from the 80's is fun, but only b/c it's SUPPOSED to be campy.  I can't take such a character seriously, and doing so in novel settings, in particular, tend to perturb me to no end (most likely b/c it's a larger waste of time than just dealing with an hour long movie).

 

b ) FAR too often I've read the Male POV as a form of "deus ex machina."

 

tl;dr: Bah, I am rambling yet again.

 

Again, to be fair, these pitfalls can be made for ANY character of ANY gender.  So I wouldn't be apprehensive of trying to stick to or avoid any ONE stereotype.  Embrace the writing and make adjustments after the fact.  People are unique and strange creatures, and whose to say how ANYONE will act in any given situation (male or female), MUCH LESS Cmdr Shepard.



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Well...errm...oops!  On the 'feminine' thing?  I goofed, sorry!  It took me another read-through to find it, but I'd used 'her' one time when referring to Shepard!  [shakes head]  Little mistake, but it 'tainted' how I was reading what was in front of me.  Still I've got a couple of days to try again

 

Thus proving, once again, that I'm not the best proofreader of what I write.

 

@Seracen  On the WOT (haven't read them in a while) thing I thought it was more 'I'm right.  Everyone else is wrong and/or stupid' which cropped up nigh-constantly with anyone who could channel (admittedly there were more Aes Sedai than Asha'men)



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Well...errm...oops!  On the 'feminine' thing?  I goofed, sorry!  It took me another read-through to find it, but I'd used 'her' one time when referring to Shepard!  [shakes head]  Little mistake, but it 'tainted' how I was reading what was in front of me.  Still I've got a couple of days to try again

 

Thus proving, once again, that I'm not the best proofreader of what I write.

 

@Seracen  On the WOT (haven't read them in a while) thing I thought it was more 'I'm right.  Everyone else is wrong and/or stupid' which cropped up nigh-constantly with anyone who could channel (admittedly there were more Aes Sedai than Asha'men)

 

I've come to find that no author is the best proofreader of their own work.  We are reading the story as it's meant to be read, not as it is written.  Therefore, it's easier for us to miss a typo or grammatical error.

 

As for WoT, the issues stemmed into more than just channeling, and involved social politics as well.  Good point about the Asha'men though, they mimicked the AS in their haughtiness.  I disliked a majority of the characters (male and female), by the time I was done with this story, haha!  It's a testament to the story itself that I still managed to find SOME enjoyment from the series.