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Is that from a game or a source creation or something?  And who doesn't like the twi'lek?   :)

 

That's from SWTOR mmo. Bioware intro the togrutan playable species last week. I'm afraid I know of no notable twi'leks, except for the KOTOR game and Hera from SW Rebels.  I don't cotton to most of the Star War species until I watched SW The Clone Wars (3D animation). The story and chars are way better than the PQ (Prequels). Anyway, I like Anakin's padawan, Ahsoka Tano, a togrutan. That's why I went back to the mmo after a long hiatus. The togrutan PC and the October expansion are something to look forward to. I've 9 toons to tidy up for Oct but I think I'll just concentrate on the togrutan Jedi Knight and the Sith Marauder and prepare them for the expansion. The rest of the toons can be done much slower.

 

The story expansion demolished the Republic and the Sith through conquest by a new foe. I'm not exactly sure what to call them, the new Imperials, maybe but it should be interesting. I would sure love to know why and how players' PCs ended up in carbonite and thawed a few years later. :D By then, their old allegiances no longer exist so what're they going to do?

 

Anyways, even though I'm not doing my fic, I'm having ideas on how to improve and provide more links to the later chapters in my zest for editing the early chapters and trying to assemble the ideas for the next chapter. So I'm kind of torn; want to do fic, want to play SWTOR. :lol: Time, time time...waaaah. :P

 

A tribute vid from a fan. I thought it's very well put together. Ahsoka look to Anakin, they're rather alike but Ahsoka didn't let fear rule her as it did Anakin. She makes impulsive passionate mistakes but she learns from them. She survives Order 66 because she had left the Jedi Order. I would call it betrayal and lost of faith that made her leave. The people who had saved her, brought her up, failed to stand with her when she needed them most. I'd throw the JO under the bus if I could. The JO had essentially failed in many ways. Anakin was the only one who believed in her.

 

It might be, she would face Vader in the rise of the Rebellion 15 years after the birth of the Empire. The question now is whether she realises Vader is Anakin. I really would hate it, they were close in TCW, what would she do if she knows? This is the first time I'm really interested in SW, as in really really wanting to know about a certain char and her fate.

 

 

 

SWTOR Knights of the Fallen Empire expansion

 



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I've got all the Clone Wars (trad animated and 3d ones) and not noticed they'd made the distinction and just assumed they were twi'lek due to the head adornments but there we go.  There was a certain tension that the old Cartoon Network series was able to create that I really liked, I always thought due to their experiences of making Samurai Jack which relied on suspense a lot (long lingering shots of Jack just walking, fighting against the wind or something), and sometimes even in the Power Puff Girls or Dexter's Lab when they were feeling particularly grandiose, usually parodying the sources.  Aye, CN ain't what it used to be.

 

I'll just add; if you watch SW ep 1, ep 2, then watch the original CN Clone Wars, then ep 3, it is almost seamless and some of what happens at the start of ep 3 makes more sense (though they cut a certain togrutan's demise from the piece).   :)

 

On the SWTOR MMO, I just can't be arsed lol.  I know what it's like to arrive at an MMO long after the fact and it's usually just frustrating once all the solo stuff is out of the way, and I believe getting to Jedi level of swinging a sabre takes a hell of a lot of grinding?



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wohoo~~ done with a rather tasteful love scene, now onward to physical conflict and primary plot. Finally I reach 15k.. I love thee coffee.

I bought a bundle and subscribed to SWTOR a few months ago... I end up playing only a couple of days but thankfully I got Revan's DLCs cheap. The problem with MMORPG in general.... it can be too dull and repetitive like Candy Crush Saga... fortunately, I finish a rather long audiobook with it. 



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I've got all the Clone Wars (trad animated and 3d ones) and not noticed they'd made the distinction and just assumed they were twi'lek due to the head adornments but there we go.  There was a certain tension that the old Cartoon Network series was able to create that I really liked, I always thought due to their experiences of making Samurai Jack which relied on suspense a lot (long lingering shots of Jack just walking, fighting against the wind or something), and sometimes even in the Power Puff Girls or Dexter's Lab when they were feeling particularly grandiose, usually parodying the sources.  Aye, CN ain't what it used to be.

 

I'll just add; if you watch SW ep 1, ep 2, then watch the original CN Clone Wars, then ep 3, it is almost seamless and some of what happens at the start of ep 3 makes more sense (though they cut a certain togrutan's demise from the piece).   :)

 

On the SWTOR MMO, I just can't be arsed lol.  I know what it's like to arrive at an MMO long after the fact and it's usually just frustrating once all the solo stuff is out of the way, and I believe getting to Jedi level of swinging a sabre takes a hell of a lot of grinding?

 

:lol:  No. Sacrilege! :P  Twi'leks have two head tails (lekku) which are part of their brain. I have wondered if that means they lose part of their marbles if something happen to the lekku. Togrutans have three, even four but those are very rare, and they're hollow bones which make them very good at picking up sounds.

 

Watching the PQ once is good enough for me, twice will make me puke.  <_< SW movie Anakin made the PQs unwatchable for me. He's in a different universe of his own. This is just me btw. TCW Anakin is written and acted (voice acted) way better than PQ Anakin. His char development made sense.

 

A lot of grinding? Moderate to me. I've played older mmos and they're really really grinding, time consuming :

 

*think spending hours online doing nothing but crafting equipment, whether for armor or ammo for weapons aka arrows for bows that must be made. What worst, different kind of arrowheads; spike arrowhead, blunt arrowhead, poison arrowhead...you get the picture

* potions, lots of different potions, for health or for weapons or for mobs

* toon inventory weight. Run out there for 30 mins or more, pop back to town to sell or you'll be crawling than running, rinse and repeat

* run out of arrows, magical herbs, etc. Port back to town, run back to hunting area, rinse and repeat. Mounts are unheard of

* spend 10 mins buffing armor, then 30 mins hunting, rinse and repeat times how many times

* can't shoot same target as another player, he/she will get angry because you're taking xp away

* queue for boss kills, again, someone else can jump in and steal

* material node looting. You made your way to a iron node but somebdy behind you ran there first and get it. You have to search for another

* get killed, you lose a piece of armor. Really bad luck if you lost it in some high boss area / den. This is resolved by carrying an expensive piece of junk so that is taken than your armor but then again, you're limited in inventory weight

* cannot transfer items from your inventory to chest at will, you have to find a really secluded place because anyone can come by and steal your stuff or ask a friend to hold on to items while you log in/out

 

On the whole, old mmos game mechanics are frustrating and not  sociable. That's not to say they didn't have some good stuff going for them. SWTOR is not *GW2 which is one of the best sociable and friendly player game but the one thing going for swtor is different class story which is one of the reasons why I play it. Swinging lightsabers is the other.  :P The Imperial Agent class story is the best.

 

*Guild Wars 2 devs improved on a lot of stuff. The best is that anyone can join in a hunt. Xps and loot are available to all participants. Boss camping and queuing have been effectively killed. Material gathering for crafting, everybody can get the node, inventory is tidied up, no more searching high and low for that item whose name you cannot remember. No need to log in for hours crafting, it's now a breeze just to churn out the same item.

 

I don't see as much screaming, ranting and fury from player against another player for stealing, etc, over general chat than I did in the older mmos. In fact, they're rare in the mmos I'm playing now. It's mostly gossips, jokes, bad jokes, the occasional troll, friendly interaction. Miles apart from the old mmos.

 

On lightsaber swinging in swtor. You get to swing one by level 10 or 11 before you leave Tython (Jedi) or Korriban (Sith). The lower levels boost relatively fast. If you're going duo, you get the second when you get to the Fleet. I'm not much into the hunt for top level gear, I've no interest in doing the grind for those so most of my high level toons get the best crafted items that can be made.



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On Anakin, he's not really that far removed from Luke, who when we meet him on Tatooine is already in full "But gee, I wanted to go to the prom!" mode, very similar to Anakin.  I dunno, maybe it was just the acting but there was a misplaced sense of smugness from Anakin from ep 2 that just didn't fit with where the character should have been at that point.  I've said it before and I'll say it again: ep1 and ep2 should have been one film, ep 3 should have been two to make up the prequel trilogy.



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I've got all the Clone Wars (trad animated and 3d ones) and not noticed they'd made the distinction and just assumed they were twi'lek due to the head adornments but there we go.  There was a certain tension that the old Cartoon Network series was able to create that I really liked, I always thought due to their experiences of making Samurai Jack which relied on suspense a lot (long lingering shots of Jack just walking, fighting against the wind or something), and sometimes even in the Power Puff Girls or Dexter's Lab when they were feeling particularly grandiose, usually parodying the sources.  Aye, CN ain't what it used to be.

 

I'll just add; if you watch SW ep 1, ep 2, then watch the original CN Clone Wars, then ep 3, it is almost seamless and some of what happens at the start of ep 3 makes more sense (though they cut a certain togrutan's demise from the piece).   :)

 

On the SWTOR MMO, I just can't be arsed lol.  I know what it's like to arrive at an MMO long after the fact and it's usually just frustrating once all the solo stuff is out of the way, and I believe getting to Jedi level of swinging a sabre takes a hell of a lot of grinding?

 

Agreed on the prequel stuff.  The Clone Wars series did a better job of portraying the fall of Anakin, and other emotional content, in just a single episode that did the entire first 2 episodes.  There's a fan edit of Ep 1 and 2 that actually make those films palatable, though I agree that they probably should have been truncated.  

 

As for SWTOR, I actually played it JUST for the story content.  I leveled one Sith and one Jedi to near 50...then created an alternate account.  I then used my near max characters and walked the other characters through their respective stories.  I really was into SWTOR strictly for the SP experience.  I've yet to go through some of the campaigns, but I was mostly pleased with my experience, especially for the amount of money I paid for it.  As far as the expansions are concerned...I couldn't be bothered, haha!

 

 

wohoo~~ done with a rather tasteful love scene, now onward to physical conflict and primary plot. Finally I reach 15k.. I love thee coffee.

I bought a bundle and subscribed to SWTOR a few months ago... I end up playing only a couple of days but thankfully I got Revan's DLCs cheap. The problem with MMORPG in general.... it can be too dull and repetitive like Candy Crush Saga... fortunately, I finish a rather long audiobook with it. 

 

Congrats!  You should consider posting it when you finish!

 

As for the other comment: yeah, that pretty well summarizes my problems with MMO's in general.  You are supposed to team up and level grind, but I always find that to be so boring.  I shouldn't have to watch a movie or listen to a book while playing a freakin' game, lol!  But that's what happens with MMO's...the leveling curve doesn't account for Solo play, so you invariably end up spending time trying to power level, just so you can be ready for the next storyline content.

 

When I realized I could take my alts into unique event areas...it was a revelation, lol!



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In one MMO (Knight Online US version), I got into quite a large clan (mostly Scandi, Dutch and sundry Euros, quite a laid back clan) and that was quite different to other 'solo' experiences in MMOs.  Always something going on; levelling, farming, boss hunting, clan quests, trading, chat, etc.  During war events, we were a clan that always represented and numerous/skilled/equipped enough to make a difference.  It was odd being a 'face' on a server, rather than just one of the plebs looking in awe at the shiny armoured heroes passing by with a weapon of ridiculous proportions and stats like I normally do, lol.  Edit: Oh, my point was, you don't need a book or whatever when it's like that, there's enough activity in the game to keep one entertained/occupied.   :)



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I had to do the Tatooine balloon ride twice today because I hit the wrong key and fell short of the first datacron in the first ride. I've had two level 60 players with me showing off their assets, one is a togruta (must have been keeping long hours or something to hit 60 that fast) on the 2nd.  Having done it like..8 times (8 toons, 9 now), I practically know where to go for lore, etc. :lol:  Of all the taxi rides in Swtor, the Alderan flier is my favourite. Riding and gliding on a giant ray! 

 

*sigh* Have to get down and work on fic. Must remember. :P



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Hump-day boredom post.

 

Fic-wise, I dread to think when I last actually looked at current alleged ME works.  I have occasionally updated the profile to say I still intend on completing it but at no particular schedule or time scale.  I don't feel like I'm done with it yet but some of the charm has definitely lessened in what I'd intended.  There's too many loose ideas in the ether that have yet to fully incorporate themselves into the tale.  If I just go straight for the jugular of the tale, there'd be too many "but what happened with.." because I've misjudged laying seeds that I thought would be interesting but with real idea of in what way (again).  Ha!  Unresolved stuff (not asking for answers particularly, just shooting el breezo):

 

-should Sha'li (Williams' adopted asari daughter) be Ardat-Yakshi?

Fish in a barrel kind of a sub-plot.  I like the idea of exploring Ashley's despair (I think I posted a 'top post short' a long time ago about this) but after that, there's not really much to play with other than continued despair or miracle cure.

 

-if I intend that the Santiago/Massani feud continues somehow via Aria and Councillor Helena Blake (go with it... lol), how the hell does that work out in the context of my story without ridiculousness?

Now, this does sort'a get complicated because it SHOULD have had another sub-plot attached but that got dropped due to the pertaining events being infeasible.  Originally, Liara is responsible for Tevos' death who in my AU is Aria's sister, and that would have worked quite nicely.  But without that, I'm having trouble coming up with good motivations for Aria beyond assisting the Blue Suns.  Liara and Shepard have always been Aria's good friends and allies, and in turn Zaeed is 'protected' but Vido obviously would not see it this way and Zaeed would obviously still rip Vido a new one given the opportunity.  The various players have shown their faces but I'm still working on that one...  One fleeting mad idea had Aria unwittingly making a deal with the devil (Reapers) to keep Omega but becomes an indoctrinated agent who is able to move freely in and out of the fleet.  She wouldn't be the first!  lol

 

-is Shepard actually going to become some kind of omnipotent Biotic Goddess?

The last one's difficult.  In order for that to happen (it's quite possibly on the cards at face value at the mo), she'd lose Liara.  They've been through a hell of a lot in my tales, it just seems like a kick in the teeth - which they feel they've already received their fair share of from the universe.  But the 'I am' moment would be fun.  I think I can sort of do both... she still has them pesky Reapers to stop after all.

 

Hmm.  I think writing down that Aria arc bit helped somewhat, like what the issues are at least which is helpful.  It seems a bit 'easy' to make Blake a 'baddie'; she's pretty ambiguous at the moment though Ashley just doesn't trust her (of course) even though Blake's assisting in the effort to get the Normandy back with the fleet AND Ashley's custody hearing.

 

See what I mean?  Coming back to that lot in media res lol.  And yes, I do play the unlikely coincidence game in my fic.   :P

 

*gets up off couch*

Is the session done?



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Gonna do this in parts, as that's a lot to process, haha!  Take a deep breath!

 

Hump-day boredom post.

 

Fic-wise, I dread to think when I last actually looked at current alleged ME works.  I have occasionally updated the profile to say I still intend on completing it but at no particular schedule or time scale.  I don't feel like I'm done with it yet but some of the charm has definitely lessened in what I'd intended.  There's too many loose ideas in the ether that have yet to fully incorporate themselves into the tale.  If I just go straight for the jugular of the tale, there'd be too many "but what happened with.." because I've misjudged laying seeds that I thought would be interesting but with real idea of in what way (again).  Ha!  Unresolved stuff (not asking for answers particularly, just shooting el breezo):

 

-should Sha'li (Williams' adopted asari daughter) be Ardat-Yakshi?

Fish in a barrel kind of a sub-plot.  I like the idea of exploring Ashley's despair (I think I posted a 'top post short' a long time ago about this) but after that, there's not really much to play with other than continued despair or miracle cure.

 

Yeah, I can certainly understand growing fatigued with your writing.  It's partly why I've taken a break from writing to work on creating wallpapers and comics with XPS.  It allows me to keep working on Mass Effect stuff, without actually having to write.  Occasionally, I'll poke away at the writing, but I don't think I'll be interested in actually writing a new Mass Effect story anytime soon.
 
It can be tempting to just finish up the story.  That's more or less what I did at certain points with "Paladins" and "Janus."  In the former case, I ended up truncating the finale b/c it was just too much to write at that point, and I imagine it'd be just as boring to read as to write (as interesting as some of the ideas were).  Overall, I feel the editing made the story more succint, better paced, and improved it.  Sure, I missed out on some "red herring" plot points that I might have fleshed out otherwise.  However, I feel that this can enhance the writing somewhat, as it leaves the readers wanting more, while still answering the big questions and resolving the key issues,  As long as it doesn't get in the way of catharsis, I say do what you need to finish the project, even it is means "going for the jugular."
 
As for the A-Y subplot: I say use it if you can do something with it.  If you can't, and it's just more flagellation of the characters, you might want to leave it aside.  That sort of indulgence might be tempting as a writer (and I've felt the call myself), but if it doesn't go anywhere, then it doesn't give anything for the readers to chew.  Also, unless you can find a natural method to "cure" Sha'li, I imagine it'll come across as convenient (considering the Genophage cures and whatnot).  Conversely, perhaps it's an idea that'll work in another story.  I recycle "lost" ideas into future stories all the time!

 

 

-if I intend that the Santiago/Massani feud continues somehow via Aria and Councillor Helena Blake (go with it... lol), how the hell does that work out in the context of my story without ridiculousness?

Now, this does sort'a get complicated because it SHOULD have had another sub-plot attached but that got dropped due to the pertaining events being infeasible.  Originally, Liara is responsible for Tevos' death who in my AU is Aria's sister, and that would have worked quite nicely.  But without that, I'm having trouble coming up with good motivations for Aria beyond assisting the Blue Suns.  Liara and Shepard have always been Aria's good friends and allies, and in turn Zaeed is 'protected' but Vido obviously would not see it this way and Zaeed would obviously still rip Vido a new one given the opportunity.  The various players have shown their faces but I'm still working on that one...  One fleeting mad idea had Aria unwittingly making a deal with the devil (Reapers) to keep Omega but becomes an indoctrinated agent who is able to move freely in and out of the fleet.  She wouldn't be the first!  lol

 

As these are side characters, I'd say drop it as well.  Again, from my own work, I ran into situations where the side plots were making the story unwieldy and convoluted.  However, I also ended up creating an entirely unanticipated side plot that actually bloomed into one of the most important lynchpins of the climax and finale!
 
However, if you are creating a series of subplots to accommodate something that is ultimately a "throwaway," then I say leave it for another story.  Especially if character motivations and such are becoming strained.  However, if you have an epiphany, and it improves the story, go for it!  
As for those motivations: does Helena still have ties to her old contacts?  Perhaps Aria doesn't trust her because of that, and they are always backstabbing each other as a result.  Or, maybe they are being misinformed by someone who has a vested interest in seeing them at odds, so they don't focus on this third party...perhaps Vido, or an ally of Vido, who has the trust of either party (or both).
 
As for the Indoctrination angle, I dunno.  A lot of folks (including Shep) have been exposed to Reaper tech without succumbing (although in Shep's case, it's likely due to the Prothean Beacon and Thorian Cipher).  Unless you have something interesting going on there, it may weigh you down.  Or, you could do what I did and have it be a red herring, haha!  I totally had a situation where Shepard's PTSD was supposed to display effects similar to Indoctrination.  I was going to leave the answer a mystery until the end.  However, the denouement of that particular plot point came near the middle of the story, and ultimately felt like needless torture for Shepard.  So I just sort of played that plot point lip service, and moved on.

 

 

 

-is Shepard actually going to become some kind of omnipotent Biotic Goddess?

The last one's difficult.  In order for that to happen (it's quite possibly on the cards at face value at the mo), she'd lose Liara.  They've been through a hell of a lot in my tales, it just seems like a kick in the teeth - which they feel they've already received their fair share of from the universe.  But the 'I am' moment would be fun.  I think I can sort of do both... she still has them pesky Reapers to stop after all.

 

Hmm.  I think writing down that Aria arc bit helped somewhat, like what the issues are at least which is helpful.  It seems a bit 'easy' to make Blake a 'baddie'; she's pretty ambiguous at the moment though Ashley just doesn't trust her (of course) even though Blake's assisting in the effort to get the Normandy back with the fleet AND Ashley's custody hearing.

 

See what I mean?  Coming back to that lot in media res lol.  And yes, I do play the unlikely coincidence game in my fic.   :P

 

*gets up off couch*

Is the session done?

 

Depends on the overall tone you want for your story.  It's been a long road, what do you want for your characters?  What feels fair?  I know life isn't really "fair," but you are the storyteller.  Stories don't really have to follow the rules of life.  In fact, they often SHOULDN'T.  Stories are escapism, after all.  I don't mind "the dragon sometimes wins" to be the theme of a 2-hour movie.  However, an investment of years (such is in TV series or game series...or book series...ANYTHING series) requires a different consideration.  Imagine how you'd have felt if Darth Vader ended up killing Luke in "Return of the Jedi," and Leia fell to the Dark Side.  Then Han becomes the leader of the Rebellion, and we witness a space-age "Romeo & Juliet."  Interesting story, to be sure, but poor recompense for those people who waited YEARS between films.
 
All of which is a roundabout way of saying: what do you want your story to say?  You are the crafter.  There are so many options, so many writers, so many tellings, the possibilities are endless!  Perhaps, when Shep becomes this Biotic Goddess, her communion with Liara allows her to retain her individuality, despite "embracing eternity?"
 
Personally, I always liked to think of Blake as a female Zaeed, and cast her as such in my story, "Project Janus."  Moreover, turning her into a baddie would mean one more wrinkle in your Sha'li sub-plot.  Which is fine, if that's what's needed to resolve that plot.  Or hey, maybe Ashley has to grow as a character, and learn to trust Blake in regards to finding the "cure for A-Y asari."  
 
That's one thing I was always waiting for in Harry Potter: either Draco malfoy becoming the anti-Christ, or Harry having to grow as a character, and swallow his pride, in order to forge an alliance with Draco to save the world.  Unfortunately, neither happened, and Draco ends up being a throwaway character, for all that he was supposed to be Harry's foil (as much as Voldemort ever was, moreso even).


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AAAND...I just wrote another essay, haha!  Been a while, good times!  Hope any of that was useful, lol!

 

Incidentally, I read over a story I stopped writing a long time ago (it just got out of control).  Interesting stuff, though I have NO idea where I was going with it, haha!  I actually created notes as to various scenes, and even had the ending somewhat plotted out.  Looking at it now, it was such an indulgent and convoluted manner of going about the story.  If I just picked up and started writing from where I left off, I know it would be completely different from how I'd originally intended.  However, I imagine the epilogue would be mostly the same...I've always been a sucker for happy endings...barring a few cases where the drama of tragedy was just too delicious to ignore!

 

But that story was like an anime that has way too many filler episodes, then tries to wrap up the finale too quickly.  Full of great ideas, but ultimately leaves one unfulfilled.  If I ever pick up the story again, I'll have to rework major parts of it.  Hell, I'll probably re-appropriate some of the 2nd act climaxes into the finale!

 

Overall, the experience of writing that story, and coming to grips with what I was doing wrong (and right) made me a better writer.  However, at the end of the day, it's all about having fun.  Both the reader and the writer should be enjoying the journey, and anything less is a betrayal.  Just do what you love to do, and the rest will handle itself!



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Personally, I always liked to think of Blake as a female Zaeed, and cast her as such in my story, "Project Janus."  Moreover, turning her into a baddie would mean one more wrinkle in your Sha'li sub-plot.  Which is fine, if that's what's needed to resolve that plot.  Or hey, maybe Ashley has to grow as a character, and learn to trust Blake in regards to finding the "cure for A-Y asari."  

 

Yea, I think that's why I wanted to include her along the way, especially as she had the stupid ME2 cameo for no reason whatsover when she could have been an interesting ally or minor antagonist.  It's funny you say that, because the first place Zaeed heads to hear more about Shepard's re-appearance in the fleet (and subsequent 'escape') is Blake - she's like an ambassador to the merc fleets that assisted at Sol.  Yea, I can see the comparisons.  Now you mention it, what if when TIM sent you to Omega to pick up 'the mercenary', it was Blake instead.  As much as I love Zaeed, that would have been interesting I reckon and the dialogue probably wouldn't have needed too much amending if they played it right, except maybe Jessie...



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Waffle, waffle, waffle, Ashley.  (as you mentioned her growing)

 

Despite my 'snark' about her not trusting Blake, she has grown a hell of a lot with regard to her trust in my fic.  She's still guarded, of course, but she's able to see the greater picture more easily in her maturity (she's in her fifties by the time this is set).  Everything she saw with Shepard along the way, her friendship and subsequent relationship with Liara, being a mum to Sha'li, doubts cast by what happened on Thessia regarding Athame, it's made her a more rounded person than the young (bitter?) woman we met on Eden Prime.

 

"Well, at least we're not salarian!"

Yea, thanks for that, Ash.  Way to really drive my point home.  You can take the girl out of Earth...

 

I do know what you mean though, about dumping arcs if they're not really performing.  I usually want to include scenes purely because I think they're entertaining, sometimes to the point where there is no actual plot progress whatsoever (fluff n stuff), so I'm not too concerned if it gets a bit rambly (too late!) as long as it comes together coherently.  The trilogy and its sequel are fairly episodic, so it can withstand that to some extent, I think.

 

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As we've discussed previously, the characters themselves are part of all arcs and their progression can be considered overall progression, so if a scene is just Ash and Sha'li shooting the breeze but something meaningful comes of their conversation, then that's a success in my book (pun not intended).   :)

 

No it wasn't:

Read something interesting about narrator types recently and the different ways it can be done.  It transpires I am omniscient, in that I flit from perspective to perspective, not particularly resting on a 'main' character.  The example used was 'Little Women'?  Can't say I've had the pleasure though I'm obviously aware of the book.  I thought about it and to write purely from one person's perspective as a narrator seems empty to me.  Yes, that's how we live our lives through one perspective, but we don't usually dip inside someone else's thoughts.  If you want the reader to know how another character feels about something, they would have to vocalise it.  Oh, and in a similar piece but about tense, apparently I am weird and near hipster for writing in present tense lol.  To me, I'm not telling a story that has already happened, I'm telling you as story as it happens; just seems more immediate to me.



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Waffle, waffle, waffle, Ashley.  (as you mentioned her growing)

 

Despite my 'snark' about her not trusting Blake, she has grown a hell of a lot with regard to her trust in my fic.  She's still guarded, of course, but she's able to see the greater picture more easily in her maturity (she's in her fifties by the time this is set).  Everything she saw with Shepard along the way, her friendship and subsequent relationship with Liara, being a mum to Sha'li, doubts cast by what happened on Thessia regarding Athame, it's made her a more rounded person than the young (bitter?) woman we met on Eden Prime.

 

"Well, at least we're not salarian!"

Yea, thanks for that, Ash.  Way to really drive my point home.  You can take the girl out of Earth...

 

I do know what you mean though, about dumping arcs if they're not really performing.  I usually want to include scenes purely because I think they're entertaining, sometimes to the point where there is no actual plot progress whatsoever (fluff n stuff), so I'm not too concerned if it gets a bit rambly (too late!) as long as it comes together coherently.  The trilogy and its sequel are fairly episodic, so it can withstand that to some extent, I think.

 

Last quick edit:

As we've discussed previously, the characters themselves are part of all arcs and their progression can be considered overall progression, so if a scene is just Ash and Sha'li shooting the breeze but something meaningful comes of their conversation, then that's a success in my book (pun not intended).   :)

 

No it wasn't:

Read something interesting about narrator types recently and the different ways it can be done.  It transpires I am omniscient, in that I flit from perspective to perspective, not particularly resting on a 'main' character.  The example used was 'Little Women'?  Can't say I've had the pleasure though I'm obviously aware of the book.  I thought about it and to write purely from one person's perspective as a narrator seems empty to me.  Yes, that's how we live our lives through one perspective, but we don't usually dip inside someone else's thoughts.  If you want the reader to know how another character feels about something, they would have to vocalise it.  Oh, and in a similar piece but about tense, apparently I am weird and near hipster for writing in present tense lol.  To me, I'm not telling a story that has already happened, I'm telling you as story as it happens; just seems more immediate to me.

 

Yeah, I know people like to mention it's just Ash being opinionated and guarded, and not racist or speciesist, but a lot of her lines did her no favors, lol.  I liked her character in a romanced arc, but outside of that she's...abrasive...more so than Kaidan.  Which is fine, it just doesn't garner as much sympathy.  That's why I went out of my way to establish the understanding connection she has with BroShep in "Janus."  I love the potential she has as a character.  I've always held that her dying on Virmire was more tragic than Kaidan, b/c Kaidan's squared away all his emotional hangups and resolved all his life aspirations by the beginning of ME1.  To die with perceived shame, and only receive deserved honors posthumously...well, that's a bit more sad.

 

Having said that, I will say that the squad was more well-rounded with Kaidan in the crew in ME3, esp is Shep wasn't a biotic.  Also, I felt that his denouement was better handled and much more heartfelt.  Ah well...

 

Would also love to have seen more Helena Blake, in lieu of Zaeed.  Would have made for another interesting callback.  But then she might be dead in some playthroughs, and suddenly there's another voice actor you have to hire, much like the Virmire Survivor.  So I can see why they avoided it.  Myself, I never see Fist in ME2, b/c I always have Wrex with me when I go to Chora's Den in ME1, haha!

 

As for "fluff scenes," I have no problems with them at all!  I know I always say that I like my scenes to "have purpose."  But that purpose can totally be to let the characters and readers decompress with some good down time and character development!  In fact, I enjoy those small scenes between romanced couples almost MORE than I do the hot and heavy scenes!  Those little touches, used regularly, add up to a much better whole.

 

Regarding 1st person narratives: I haven't traditionally been a fan.  However, "Dresden Files" made me a convert, and showed me how the style could be used well, and to advantage.  I think one of the most liberating things about my foray into that style was not NEEDING to explain backing plot, or villain motivations.  There's something to be said for the instant emotion that one can portray through 1st person POV.  It makes it easier to manipulate the reader into agreeing with whatever assertion you want them to make, especially when their filter is that of the protagonist.  Of course, the trick is to make sure the main character is compelling, and making sure you lay the scenery properly.



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I did sort of do a first person for Miranda but through her diary.  She writes about herself in the first person, of course.  Not sure I'd like to do a full tale narrated purely from the protagonist's perspective, particularly not if first person.  I think I like that as a general narrator, I can show and tell more easily or roundly.  I understand that choosing what should and shouldn't be narrated can become tricky.  I know I've used it to my advantage (so I see it) in that if I want the character (and thus the reader) in some kind of limbo, the thoughts of others won't be in the narrative; but, if I think it's to the advantage of the scene, I'll do a full 'round' of thoughts and feelings.  I don't think my earlier work does it as well, with a lot more content with just Shep's perspective but I think it was once Liara came fully into the tale (and because they'd been developing their own arcs independently), I couldn't just abandon emotions I'd previously been exploring.  Similarly once Ashley came into the fold, she brought her own baggage that I'd prefer to explore from within rather than just from another's perspective.  I do like passages of total introspective of a character and where they're up to right now.  Probably Samara's had more of those than any other character in my fic, despite her relative short air time; she's a complex gal.

 

First person always makes me think of hard boiled detective pulp hehe.  I actually found the narration eye-rolling bad in the original cut of Bladerunner and was glad the director's cut did away with it altogether.

 

"I can't tell the aliens from the animals!"

I personally file that under 'poorly judged humour', rather than any kind of malicious intent.  Everything else is philosophy/debate and thus should not be held under such close scrutiny.  The dog analogy is valid as far as I'm concerned, whether the dog is us or another species and has been witnessed directly in war where troops of one allied nation are sent as fodder before another's.  That said, I still like to make light of her perceived intolerance.

 

On the subject of EDI and Joker (for the crew for the Normandy, 'talking' is what they do when alone and no more is said on the matter).

Ash: "Well, anyway, when they 'talk', they must talk about the ship and stuff. Talk about their day like normal people."

Liara: "'Like normal people'?. Tsk. Ashley..."

Ash: "She's a robot.  I'm not making any apologies for thinking that that's... different."



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I did sort of do a first person for Miranda but through her diary.  She writes about herself in the first person, of course.  Not sure I'd like to do a full tale narrated purely from the protagonist's perspective, particularly not if first person.  I think I like that as a general narrator, I can show and tell more easily or roundly.  I understand that choosing what should and shouldn't be narrated can become tricky.  I know I've used it to my advantage (so I see it) in that if I want the character (and thus the reader) in some kind of limbo, the thoughts of others won't be in the narrative; but, if I think it's to the advantage of the scene, I'll do a full 'round' of thoughts and feelings.  I don't think my earlier work does it as well, with a lot more content with just Shep's perspective but I think it was once Liara came fully into the tale (and because they'd been developing their own arcs independently), I couldn't just abandon emotions I'd previously been exploring.  Similarly once Ashley came into the fold, she brought her own baggage that I'd prefer to explore from within rather than just from another's perspective.  I do like passages of total introspective of a character and where they're up to right now.  Probably Samara's had more of those than any other character in my fic, despite her relative short air time; she's a complex gal.

 

First person always makes me think of hard boiled detective pulp hehe.  I actually found the narration eye-rolling bad in the original cut of Bladerunner and was glad the director's cut did away with it altogether.

 

Blade Runner was in interesting contrast in storytelling styles.  The original cut had NO voice over narration, and the politics behind making the film conspired to make Ford's reading of those lines...uninspired, lol!  Personally, I liked the voiceover, as that's how I first saw it, and it recalled to me something I might have seen Humphrey Bogart do (even though, now that I think on it, he never did...had monologues aplenty, but never narrated).  Incidentally, the original DVD release of the "Director's Cut" was actually a hackjob, according to Ridley Scott (but he always has a hundred different cuts of every film he makes, lol).

 

Of course, when I FIRST saw the film, I didn't like it at all, b/c I was way too young to appreciate it.  Then I saw it again in college, and saw the artistry.  The Special Edition was on sale at $6 recently, and well worth it.  In addition to all the extras, you also get a remastered film with redone special effects, and alternate cuts (different endings, and versions with or without the narration).

 

I also love how, according to which version, the whole Deckard/replicant subplot changes.  According to the director, he is, but the screenwriter asserts that he isn't.  It's a nice bit of open-endedness, IMO, and adds character.



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We already had 2000AD in the UK, so when Bladerunner came out we were like "It's Mega City!" lol.  That said, most Hollywood sci-fi back then lent heavily from the classic 'Metropolis' era.  I do agree though that the first time around, the more subtle aspects were completely lost on me but I still enjoyed it - a well realised dark dystopia with art-deco fringes, Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer, Daryl Hannah, 'replicants', what's not to like?!



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There isn't enough of that style of sci-fi nowadays...the sort of pulp stuff you'd see in Heavy Metal.  Or cyberpunk, like Phillip Dick and William Gibson stuff too!  Don't get me wrong, Star Wars and Trek have always been around, but I always preferred some variety to those (yes, I even liked Johnny Mnemonic).

 

I think 5th Element is still one of fave sci-fi movies ever, although I really liked Immortal (the French film, not the Henry Cavill mess).  That's partly why I was so quickly hooked by Mass Effect, and hopped on the Shadowrun bandwagon (the real Shadowrun, not that crap on the old XBOX).  Can't wait to see what CDPR does with "Cyberpunk!"



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Although they get the moniker and do have elements of 'sci-fi', SW and ST are Space Opera really.  I do like the 5th Element, though Gilliam's earlier work 'Brazil' is a fantastic film, and of  course 12 Monkeys.

 

Now-a-days, the majority of sci-fi films think they MUST have some 'twist' in the tale, not allowing the viewer to just experience the curious world and societies created, and explore the 'what ifs'.



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Although they get the moniker and do have elements of 'sci-fi', SW and ST are Space Opera really.  I do like the 5th Element, though Gilliam's earlier work 'Brazil' is a fantastic film, and of  course 12 Monkeys.

 

Now-a-days, the majority of sci-fi films think they MUST have some 'twist' in the tale, not allowing the viewer to just experience the curious world and societies created, and explore the 'what ifs'.

 

You know...speaking of "Space Opera:"  the first book that I read in the genre (that made of aware of it anyways) was Simon Green's "Deathstalker."  What I found interesting about it was that the series was a tale of rebellion told against Victorian Age sensibilities and Machiavellian politics, yet set in the future.  I'm probably overselling the series, but it remains one of my fave reads.

 

However, upon exploring the genre for other titles, I found that far too many of them read more like military thrillers with Clancy-esque politicking.  Which is fine (I've read plenty of Tom Clancy), but not what I expected from my sci-fi.  In that, Trek is a bit of an outlier for me.  I don't usually like reading the sorts of stories that Trek takes on, but I enjoyed watching the movies and shows once in a while.

 

I want to be taken on a swashbuckling adventure through the galaxy.  That's what Mass Effect offered me, and why it's probably my favorite sci-fi game ever (with KOTOR close behind).  Sure, there were military aspects and politics, but it was handed in a more subtle and intimate manner.  I never cared much for Gears of War and that genre of shooter.  Of course I liked Halo (up through halfway into 3 and ODST) and Halflife 2; but I had more fun with Breakdown and Metro than I ever did with Gears, CoD, or Battlefield..  It's always been about story for me.

 

Again, why I gravitated so much to Mass Effect.  I felt more like Han Solo by way of Jack Bauer.  It's strange how rare that experience is in the realm of sci-fi.  I must simply be looking in the wrong places to not even find the style I like in books!  Perhaps I'll rectify this one of these days and write an original.  Regardless, this is probably why Mass Effect fanfiction is such a draw for me as well...



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Mass Effect offered a unique experience that was close to the kind of thing I'd been hoping for for some time: basically, Elite but you get out of the ship when you dock instead.  So ME really came close to that - you don't actually fly the ship but that's probably a boon if it would have turned into an Elite/XWing style sim.  Plot restrictions notwithstanding, you're free to explore the galaxy in your fancy ship with an alien crew.  Whether you felt like Captain Kirk, Luke Skywalker, or even future sci-fi cyborg Jack Bauer, I think anyone with a even passing interest in sci-fi could get on board there.

 

Never got on with KOTOR, even though I'm an avid SW fan.  Similar to DA, it just didn't do it for me for some reason.  I mean, it should; BW, RPG, blah, but no.  Missing a voiced protagonist didn't help after playing ME.

 

And in Star Trek's defence to what I said earlier, it is a lot more sci-fi than some.  It does probe those questions, exploring, of the galaxy at large, the differing cultures and societies, and when they clash.  Classic old ones like the one where a society had allowed technology to control it completely, to the point where they have forgetten how it worked in the first place and what happens when it goes wrong.  That's a classic genuine sci-fi story.

 

While Star Wars:

SWU "There's space ships."

Observer "How do they work?"

SWU "Warp drive n stuff."

Obs "Hm.  So how do-"

SWU "Boom!  Zeeewoing!" *heavy breathing and dramatic music*

Obs "Okay then..."

 

Edit:

Oh, and one of my current obsessions is 'Don't hug me I'm scared'.  If you haven't seen them on YouTube (4 eps atm), I highly recommend watching them if you like genuinely entertaining, surreal and disturbing content.  I won't say more so as not to spoil it except to say, apologies in advance.



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Mass Effect offered a unique experience that was close to the kind of thing I'd been hoping for for some time: basically, Elite but you get out of the ship when you dock instead.  So ME really came close to that - you don't actually fly the ship but that's probably a boon if it would have turned into an Elite/XWing style sim.  Plot restrictions notwithstanding, you're free to explore the galaxy in your fancy ship with an alien crew.  Whether you felt like Captain Kirk, Luke Skywalker, or even future sci-fi cyborg Jack Bauer, I think anyone with a even passing interest in sci-fi could get on board there.

 

Never got on with KOTOR, even though I'm an avid SW fan.  Similar to DA, it just didn't do it for me for some reason.  I mean, it should; BW, RPG, blah, but no.  Missing a voiced protagonist didn't help after playing ME.

 

And in Star Trek's defence to what I said earlier, it is a lot more sci-fi than some.  It does probe those questions, exploring, of the galaxy at large, the differing cultures and societies, and when they clash.  Classic old ones like the one where a society had allowed technology to control it completely, to the point where they have forgetten how it worked in the first place and what happens when it goes wrong.  That's a classic genuine sci-fi story.

 

While Star Wars:

SWU "There's space ships."

Observer "How do they work?"

SWU "Warp drive n stuff."

Obs "Hm.  So how do-"

SWU "Boom!  Zeeewoing!" *heavy breathing and dramatic music*

Obs "Okay then..."

 

Edit:

Oh, and one of my current obsessions is 'Don't hug me I'm scared'.  If you haven't seen them on YouTube (4 eps atm), I highly recommend watching them if you like genuinely entertaining, surreal and disturbing content.  I won't say more so as not to spoil it except to say, apologies in advance.

 

As much as I loved Tie Fighter, going out and exploring in grand sweeping vistas with well crafted stories was always going to intrigue me more.  As for Star Trek, as I said, it's fine for me to watch, I just can't get behind reading stories like that.  Recently tried the Bujold books (Vorkosigan Saga), and dropped it.  For certain, there were elements to it I found enjoyable, but it took far too long to get going, and hours into the story, I was still waiting for the central conceit to get going (though I saw what it was developing into).

 

I'm all fine for slow, plodding espionage, but there's a threshold.  Incidentally, I also had to stop reading Game of Thrones, as the Iron Isles subplot just killed it for me, lol!  I still respect the story, but I'll wait for the show to present the pertinent bits.  Conversely, there are plenty of stories where I hated the movie, and loved the books.

 

Starship Troopers was one of the cases where I preferred the movie to the book, and I didn't even really like the movie ALL that much.  Then again, I saw BOTH when I was way to young for either, so another visit might be warranted.  As for "Hug/Scared," what have you done?!  LOL.  These other blessed, blind fools have NO IDEA what you have foisted upon them  :P !



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As much as I loved Tie Fighter, going out and exploring in grand sweeping vistas with well crafted stories was always going to intrigue me more.  As for Star Trek, as I said, it's fine for me to watch, I just can't get behind reading stories like that.  Recently tried the Bujold books (Vorkosigan Saga), and dropped it.  For certain, there were elements to it I found enjoyable, but it took far too long to get going, and hours into the story, I was still waiting for the central conceit to get going (though I saw what it was developing into).

 

I'm all fine for slow, plodding espionage, but there's a threshold.  Incidentally, I also had to stop reading Game of Thrones, as the Iron Isles subplot just killed it for me, lol!  I still respect the story, but I'll wait for the show to present the pertinent bits.  Conversely, there are plenty of stories where I hated the movie, and loved the books.

 

Starship Troopers was one of the cases where I preferred the movie to the book, and I didn't even really like the movie ALL that much.  Then again, I saw BOTH when I was way to young for either, so another visit might be warranted.  As for "Hug/Scared," what have you done?!  LOL.  These other blessed, blind fools have NO IDEA what you have foisted upon them  :P !

Quick note on Don't Hug Me I'm Scared:

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Well we've been far too on topic recently, what with chat about writing, ME and sci-fi as a whole.

 

Starship Troopers.  I love that movie.  "Medic!"  It is wildly silly but darkly serious at the same time.  A perpetual war economy against enemies that we don't even really know ARE the enemies; by the general tone one might assume that the leaders of Earth were just looking for something to keep the populus busy (as always...) and what better way than to convince them there's some far off threat.  Which WILL become a threat once attacked.  The oldies are the goldies.

 

What does one wear on the beach with neko ears anyway?



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Me again!

 

I'd been thinking, on my fic 'woes'.  Do I need to get this whole story out by the end of this book?  As I said earlier, it is quite episodic, so could probably withstand ending on a cliff hanger, then continuing in a further book.  It'd give a hell of a lot of breathing room to set up and possibly even resolve my fleet shenanigans, get Shepard where she needs to be, sort out Ashley and Sha'li and whatever they might do (Sha'li has a young suitor with a racist dad hehe), then maybe end on the lead up to Shep's first mental assault on a Reaper.



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On Starship Troopers, I rather like the Roughnecks ST Chronicles. :)  I was drawn to ME because; RPG, char and environment settings. It reminded me of Babylon 5 and I had thought the story would be epic but it fell flat on its face at the end. *shrug*

 

I didn't touch my fic. :lol:  I went on a marathon starting last Sat (I think) and now my togruta is 51.

 

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