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#9826
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On Starship Troopers, I rather like the Roughnecks ST Chronicles. :)  I was drawn to ME because; RPG, char and environment settings. It reminded me of Babylon 5 and I had thought the story would be epic but it fell flat on its face at the end. *shrug*

 

I didn't touch my fic. :lol:  I went on a marathon starting last Sat (I think) and now my togruta is 51.

 

Yeah, Roughnecks was a fun show...so sad it never finished!  As I said, I wasn't CRAZY about ST, but I did enjoy the film.  The 2nd movie was...unimpressive.  The 3rd was amusing though, if only b/c Casper Van Dien was in it, haha!  But yeah, the 1st ST movie was made by the fact that Verhoeven directed it.  It's why the original Robocop was so much better than the Reboot.  The satire by way of gratuitous sex and violence was an interesting and engaging dichotomy, if one that I have to be in a particular mood for.

 

Incidentally, am I the only one who thinks all Paul Verhoeven's movies have the same soundtrack?  LOL!



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Yeah, Roughnecks was a fun show...so sad it never finished!  As I said, I wasn't CRAZY about ST, but I did enjoy the film.  The 2nd movie was...unimpressive.  The 3rd was amusing though, if only b/c Casper Van Dien was in it, haha!  But yeah, the 1st ST movie was made by the fact that Verhoeven directed it.  It's why the original Robocop was so much better than the Reboot.  The satire by way of gratuitous sex and violence was an interesting and engaging dichotomy, if one that I have to be in a particular mood for.

 

Incidentally, am I the only one who thinks all Paul Verhoeven's movies have the same soundtrack?  LOL!

A quick check on IMDB and Verhoeven appears to often use this 'Basil Poledouris' chap for the soundtracks, so that probably explains that.  I did notice that Robocop came out in 1987 - I was mid-teens then and me and my mates loved all things sci-fi and horror.  There was a dodgy cinema in the Liverpool city centre that showed porn during the day, but regular movies at night and they weren't so bothered about checking ages.  Saw a few 18 movies there.

 

I do enjoy grim humour, maybe why I liked ST a lot (the first one), and similarly with Robocop (the first one).  The second Robocop was enjoyable as a romp, but less so as a sci-fi experience.

 

This amused me:

Most scarily, upon inspection of WattPad, those stories don't appear to be parodies... *shudders*



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Watched the vid. It's funny but ... are you saying the terror of bad writing exists in some fan fics? <_< :blink:   :lol:  *slaps face*



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Ha!  I do like me some baaad FF now and again.   :devil:



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I remember back when MSTs of bad fanfic was still a thing.  It was destined to go poorly though, haha!

 

The stigma of bad fanfiction is what makes me wary of revealing the exact subject matter of my writing, depending on who I'm hanging around with.  Not so much that I'm ashamed of my writing.  It's sort of like how popular media likes to lump gamers as one homogenous entity that is...shall we say: "less than flattering."  But to fellow fans (and generally people of my age range or lower), we "get it."



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^ Can't agree more. :) 

 

Well, I heard about the DAI DLC but pushing it back. I'm preoccupied right now with SWTOR.  :P  And there's a lot to be said when my togruta JK took down the bosses with considerably less time than my older human JK. I always have to ask for help from guldmates with the latter because back then, game play was really not kind to players. With game revamps, yes Bioware, for once, you did something right, the togruta JK hardly had too much trouble. However, I heard some of the level 60 Operations / FPs are impossible so I guess they missed out on some. Not a bother to me since I've no interest in those.

 

Spending a lot of time on SWTOR, neglecting my fic. *sigh* 



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In writing news, I'm going through some soul searchy type stuff at the mo.

 

First let me say, and judge as you will, I am not a prolific reader of any kind.  This would obviously be odd to some, but as such, I have less 'reference' than a lot who do read all the time.  Due to this, let me go through a few things that have recently been 'bothering' me.

 

Writing in the present tense

I always have, it made sense to me.  It's not like I've never read a novel but I'd not really paid attention to tense.  Until now.  I read through a few novels laying around the house (Iain M Banks) and found reading in the past tense strange and uncomfortable.  Unsure if that's actually an issue or not.

 

POVs

At times I've had like three or four POVs in just a short conversational scene, internal wranglings and the like.  Research tells me (?) this should really be simplified.  So I'd started a shorty on Thyta/Nezi and noticed I'd told the reader exactly how Thyta feels about her impending visitor in the opening passage; I took that line out and because of the actions I'd already included it didn't suffer - it was still obvious that Thyta is nervous.  I think I may labour a point sometimes using POVs.

 

Script vs Novel

At times, my works look more like a script than a 'novel'.  Am I writing the wrong thing?  I do enjoy writing dialogue a lot, but I do also enjoy a good introspective with a character which can only really be done in a narrative.  Hmm.

 

Show and tell

I need to work on this.  Probably due to my preference on dialogue, this suffers.  I think I said a few posts back about conversations happening in white space, and it was rightly mentioned about the short Lamb/Ryan piece I did.

 

Anyhoo... grumble, grumble.

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In writing news, I'm going through some soul searchy type stuff at the mo.

 

First let me say, and judge as you will, I am not a prolific reader of any kind.  This would obviously be odd to some, but as such, I have less 'reference' than a lot who do read all the time.  Due to this, let me go through a few things that have recently been 'bothering' me.

 

Writing in the present tense

I always have, it made sense to me.  It's not like I've never read a novel but I'd not really paid attention to tense.  Until now.  I read through a few novels laying around the house (Iain M Banks) and found reading in the past tense strange and uncomfortable.  Unsure if that's actually an issue or not.

 

POVs

At times I've had like three or four POVs in just a short conversational scene, internal wranglings and the like.  Research tells me (?) this should really be simplified.  So I'd started a shorty on Thyta/Nezi and noticed I'd told the reader exactly how Thyta feels about her impending visitor in the opening passage; I took that line out and because of the actions I'd already included it didn't suffer - it was still obvious that Thyta is nervous.  I think I may labour a point sometimes using POVs.

 

Script vs Novel

At times, my works look more like a script than a 'novel'.  Am I writing the wrong thing?  I do enjoy writing dialogue a lot, but I do also enjoy a good introspective with a character which can only really be done in a narrative.  Hmm.

 

Show and tell

I need to work on this.  Probably due to my preference on dialogue, this suffers.  I think I said a few posts back about conversations happening in white space, and it was rightly mentioned about the short Lamb/Ryan piece I did.

 

Anyhoo... grumble, grumble.

:)

 

There are so many different styles, and each can be just as effective, depending on context.  Personally, I don't feel that there needs to be as stringent a set of rules for fanfic, as often the author doesn't have the time or resources to have someone else edit for grammar, etc.  So long as the author can quality control within reasonable boundaries, I'm okay with it.

 

Having said that, script vs novel format is also valid.  While I'm not as great a fan of script format, I can see the allure, and I have used the method before.  As for tense shifting...as long as it's done after a scene change, I don't mind so much.  I rarely use present tense though (b/c that'd mean using "he says" as opposed to "he said"), but again, to each their own.

 

I used to be against 1st person narrative, until I came across good examples of it.  Now, I likely will make one of my future projects 1st person, simply b/c it allows me to do some interesting things that 3rd person would not.  Show-and-tell can be a mixed bag.  Again, it depends on preference.  I used to show WAY too much, in terms of fight scenes.  Now, I prefer writing drama in dialogue.  My favorite thing to explore are emotions.  However, too much or too little of anything can be distracting.

 

End of the day, as I always say, do what makes you happy.  If you notice good constructive criticism, try to take it on board.  However, twisting yourself out of shape to incorporate some "perfect solution" will help nobody, least of all you.  Hope that was useful!



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It does not help when I've seen people say that writing in present tense is 'hipster', or when Seth McFarlane of Family Guy fame tweets: "Hey, novels written in the present tense: **** off."

 

Just to clarify: I don't tense shift, which I would agree would be off-putting if handled badly.

 

Despite my moaning, I am generally happy with what I write, I'd obviously like it to be 'perfect' but one must concede that few can achieve such a thing, if such a thing even exists.

 

In other news... the FB Writing Circle posted their periodical post about Fan Fiction (they cover ones like Wicked, Scarlett, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead) but this time around for a change, the FF writers came out in force to defend the art - which was nice.

 

We don't normally, but I'm going to leave this here because I too am proud of my city.  The black shirts tried to overrun Liverpool in the 1930s; it didn't work then and it won't work now.

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As much as I might dislike a particular story or writing style, I think it's disingenuous to just call an author a "hipster" for adhering to any particular format.  As I said, I used to detest 1st person, until I came across a good example of the style.  However, I wasn't about to call 1st person writers "poseurs" or something.

 

McFarlane's a writer/showman, he gets paid to make sensational statements.  My reaction to that sort of thing is "meh."  He's self-admitted to "phoning it in" on occasion on his own show, it's a running gag sometimes.  Anyone who has that sort of sense of self-deprecating humor should be able to see the value in any form and tool in writing.  For the "hipster" comments, that's probably more a jab at the poorly constructed novels that hit it big due to marketing and "me too" pandering.

 

As I always say, write to your strengths, and what makes you happy.  Practice leads to improvement, after all.  It's just a matter of finding the right balance, and the right audience!

 

 

If we are speaking sports...

 

Atlanta is getting a soccer team, which should be fun.  MLS is certainly 2nd tier though, compared to FIFA, which is an interesting dichotomy, considering basketball.  I hope the Hawks do well this year, but I still don't think they are legit contenders yet...

 

In the last 30 years, between all of Atlanta's teams, the city has only won a SINGLE championship (despite having teams in baseball, basketball, football, hockey - TWICE, and now soccer).  As much as I would love to see otherwise, I don't see that changing this year.  Atlanta is a great city, but it's murder on the sports fans, haha!



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If we are speaking sports...

 

Was that a facetiously obtuse lead in, or did you misconstrue what I was posting about Liverpool? (I appreciate that not everyone would click a random link on a forum)

 

Anyway, don't know a great deal about MLS in the US, other than that Beckham was at LA Galaxy for a while, though I believe it is gaining more popularity these days?



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Was that a facetiously obtuse lead in, or did you misconstrue what I was posting about Liverpool? (I appreciate that not everyone would click a random link on a forum)

 

Anyway, don't know a great deal about MLS in the US, other than that Beckham was at LA Galaxy for a while, though I believe it is gaining more popularity these days?

 

Nope, didn't follow the link.  My browser didn't like the website at all.  I just saw "Liverpool" and assumed, as that's been a conversation we've had in this forum before.  I don't really have enough knowledge on soccer to speak on it.

 

[disables overly militant security setting and clicks on link]  Aha!  Not at all what you were speaking about...I can understand your consternation now.  Apologies!

 

Bigoted fools will continue to act like fools, and logic be damned, I suppose.  Sounds similar to what happened decades ago in Skokie, Illinois.  The world is fast becoming more interconnected, so perhaps the more myopic feel they must band together in the face of diversity.  My father has some stories to tell from back when he was a student living in Kensington.  Even more stories of when he moved to the States.  Don't even get me started on the "OLD COUNTRY," I could not have been born any number of times due to the various wars and such being fought in Asia at the time.  Incidentally, the first thing he bought, after buying his house in America, were firearms.  It was that kind of era.  Luckily, by the time I grew up, the culture had changed.  However, people still looked at me sideways b/c I had a Southern accent, once upon a time.  I'll admit, a 6-ft tall Asian man with a deep Southern accent is not typical, haha!  Thank goodness I lost those speech patterns!

 

As for sports...yeah, being an ATL fan isn't always the most fun, and my soccer friends laugh off MLS, much like how so many American's laugh off FIBA (which are both mistakes, IMO).  It's amazing how many NBA players find a 2nd career in FIBA, and how many FIFA players do the same in MLS...

 

But let's lighten the mood:  the Mass Effect books actually had an interesting take on race and culture relations.  Basically, the author was pointing out how much more homogenized the "alien" species looked, as opposed to humans.  Mordin references this during the Tuchanka mission in ME2.  In the book, however, they mention how the melting pot of cultural overflow is resulting in a mix of looks that were once extremely rare.  Interesting to think how a species would change, on the genetic level, from such a huge paradigm shift as Space Travel.

 

And let's not get started on cross species hybrids, lol!  Although, from my understanding, the only hybrids are of the Asari variety in Mass Effect, and those beings are still "Asari."  Be interesting to see if test tubes or other such interference could result in Turian/Human/Quarian/etc hybrids.

 

And then there's the Vorcha...who reproduce by budding, of all things, haha!


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#9838
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 I'll admit, a 6-ft tall Asian man with a deep Southern accent is not typical, haha!  Thank goodness I lost those speech patterns!

 

Brilliant!  I love atypical accents, particularly when it comes to the Orient/Asia.  There's a comedian in the UK who is Sikh (turban et al), but has a very strong Glaswegian accent.  I think one of the more 'humorous' I heard was a black guy who was brought up in Japan and was wholly Japanese - not in a mocking way, it just jars the senses.

:)

 

On the other thing, I did really enjoy the recent sousaphone KKK incident - that was utterly inspired - complete with comedy elephant wail.



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Brilliant!  I love atypical accents, particularly when it comes to the Orient/Asia.  There's a comedian in the UK who is Sikh (turban et al), but has a very strong Glaswegian accent.  I think one of the more 'humorous' I heard was a black guy who was brought up in Japan and was wholly Japanese - not in a mocking way, it just jars the senses.

:)

 

On the other thing, I did really enjoy the recent sousaphone KKK incident - that was utterly inspired - complete with comedy elephant wail.

 

Hah, good stuff!  I'd heard about that incident, although I'd not seen the video until I went searching for it a few minutes ago, lol!

 

As for the other comment, it makes more sense why linguistics has a hard time tracking down where a person is from just by dialect.  I'm quoting a book, but imagine a Japanese citizen who learned English from a Russian...the pronunciation would be all over the place!

 

Just wanted to post a sample of my current project, and get everyone's opinion on the presentation.  Too much dialogue?  Change the styles, colors, and fonts of the word bubbles?  Actually use bubbles instead of boxes?  That sort of thing.  I'm loath to recapture the actual scenes, I will admit.  However, the other stuff is easily fixable (such as how many panels per page, blocking, etc).

 

This will be the only one I post here, as it isn't strictly fanfic, even if it IS based off one that I wrote.

 

panel_00___03_wip_by_seracen-d965ea6.png

 

Now that I look at it...I'm thinking another box in the bottom right corner, with a closeup of the Starchild.  I don't know...it might be too crowded if I do that.  I suppose I could reverse the bottom panel (keeping the corner shot where it is), then move the dialogue boxes accordingly, which would free up space for that extra box...suggestions?



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^ Nicely done. Must have taken a lot of images and clippings to do those?



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^ Nicely done. Must have taken a lot of images and clippings to do those?

 

Thanks!  Yeah, I do a hybrid.  I take screenshots of gameplay for the backgrounds, then pose the models I've downloaded in a program called "XPS."  Then it's a matter of matching and overlaying everything, then importing a picture of the image into photoshop.  For certain scenes, however, I'm going to straight up rip scenes out of the ending of the game (a few shots of the space battles).  Eventually, I hope to be able to generate my own backdrops, so I don't even have to take screenshots to render these pieces.  Apparently, I could also make animations using this medium, but that's all beyond me at this point.

 

Glad you like it!  I ended up tweaking it a little, hope to make a few more panels before I start posting!



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I did type something in response to your post the other day -must'a quit out before posting.  :blink:

 

Anyway, in short: I'd personally go with traditional speech bubbles and a consistent font, but maybe I'm old school.  Layout wise, it's difficult to say from one page.  You could put the Starkid in the top right corner to frame the beam, mirroring the Shep image in the other corner?

 

Looks to be taking good shape.



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I did type something in response to your post the other day -must'a quit out before posting.  :blink:

 

Anyway, in short: I'd personally go with traditional speech bubbles and a consistent font, but maybe I'm old school.  Layout wise, it's difficult to say from one page.  You could put the Starkid in the top right corner to frame the beam, mirroring the Shep image in the other corner?

 

Looks to be taking good shape.

 

Appreciate it!  I was thinking of only having Narration be a different font, with the exception of when Starkid is mad (ie: showing that he's really Harbinger).  I guess the color scheming should be clear enough, though I'm loath to use lines from the word bubbles (unless I can do it well).  Will see how I like it with bubble, as opposed to boxes.  Thanks for the feedback!



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A couple of very English, tongue in cheek, but I think very witty pieces about language from David Mitchell (probably not known much across the pond).



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^ :lol:  I use British English in my fic since I'm taught in that though I had a lot of confusion when I was learning the language. Colour ... oh wait, color? :P  Huh? :blink:  Put is not put...no, no, what? :blink:



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Btw I just found out how Sith torture their victims. :lol:

 

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Put is not put...no, no, what? :blink:

Huh?  :blink:

 

Not sure what you're referring to there.



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Huh?  :blink:

 

Not sure what you're referring to there.

 

:lol:  Sorry, I was thinking of an incident when I was a kid. Confusion over putt. :P  I insisted that it was 'put'. :lol: :lol: :lol:



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Ah putt, as in golf.  Okay.



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I can go either way in regards to the spelling, although I default to the US version.  It doesn't jar me, so long as the usage is consistent across a work.