Icyflare wrote...
(remember how great it felt when you stabbed Kai Leng)
Modifié par lillitheris, 17 juin 2012 - 08:20 .
lillitheris wrote...
Icyflare wrote...
(remember how great it felt when you stabbed Kai Leng)
It was more “Oh, I’m finally actually allowed to kill the plot armor loser. Good. What now? I don’t make sure he’s dead before turning my back? I have to perform some ‘awesome’ ninja move myself, don’t I? Sigh. I used to like this game.” for me
Icyflare wrote...
Drussius wrote...
*snip*
*snip*
Anyways, don't worry so much about doing justice to the characters. Fanfiction is based on people's interpretation of a character/story/scene. As long as it doesn't conflict with any of the centrally established cannon and his actions/dialogue don't feel jarringly out of character, then I'd say you succeeded in portraying him.
lillitheris wrote...
Icyflare wrote...
(remember how great it felt when you stabbed Kai Leng)
It was more “Oh, I’m finally actually allowed to kill the plot armor loser. Good. What now? I don’t make sure he’s dead before turning my back?"
lillitheris wrote...
Icyflare wrote...
(remember how great it felt when you stabbed Kai Leng)
It was more “Oh, I’m finally actually allowed to kill the plot armor loser. Good. What now? I don’t make sure he’s dead before turning my back? I have to perform some ‘awesome’ ninja move myself, don’t I? Sigh. I used to like this game.” for me
Drussius wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
Icyflare wrote...
(remember how great it felt when you stabbed Kai Leng)
It was more “Oh, I’m finally actually allowed to kill the plot armor loser. Good. What now? I don’t make sure he’s dead before turning my back?"
I just wanted him dead so badly that I haven't had the guts yet, even on paragon playthroughs, to NOT hit that little renegade trigger and send him onward to the afterlife. One of these days I'll actually not press that tempting little button and find out what happens then...
lillitheris wrote...
Drussius wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
Icyflare wrote...
(remember how great it felt when you stabbed Kai Leng)
It was more “Oh, I’m finally actually allowed to kill the plot armor loser. Good. What now? I don’t make sure he’s dead before turning my back?"
I just wanted him dead so badly that I haven't had the guts yet, even on paragon playthroughs, to NOT hit that little renegade trigger and send him onward to the afterlife. One of these days I'll actually not press that tempting little button and find out what happens then...
SPOILER
You get a Paragon interrupt that talks him out of his indoctrination, racism, and general douchiness, and he joins you in the final battle and gives you +50 TMS.
Icyflare wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
Icyflare wrote...
(remember how great it felt when you stabbed Kai Leng)
It was more “Oh, I’m finally actually allowed to kill the plot armor loser. Good. What now? I don’t make sure he’s dead before turning my back? I have to perform some ‘awesome’ ninja move myself, don’t I? Sigh. I used to like this game.” for me
Fair enough. I made the point, because I know a lot of people felt great about doing that. I had a strange experience myself. I hated him passionately, so when I stabbed him, I thought there'd be some sort of vicious satisfaction. All I got was a sense of emptiness, of rage that kindled dissatisfation because it no longer had any where to go. It was strange and flat and almost defeating.
lillitheris wrote...
Icyflare wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
Icyflare wrote...
(remember how great it felt when you stabbed Kai Leng)
It was more “Oh, I’m finally actually allowed to kill the plot armor loser. Good. What now? I don’t make sure he’s dead before turning my back? I have to perform some ‘awesome’ ninja move myself, don’t I? Sigh. I used to like this game.” for me
Fair enough. I made the point, because I know a lot of people felt great about doing that. I had a strange experience myself. I hated him passionately, so when I stabbed him, I thought there'd be some sort of vicious satisfaction. All I got was a sense of emptiness, of rage that kindled dissatisfation because it no longer had any where to go. It was strange and flat and almost defeating.
The reason is probably that you, like I, did not actually hate the person/character Kai Leng, but the way that he was written in the game. Kai Leng wasn’t my arch nemesis, the bastard of an intern who was allowed to add AWESOME KUNG FOO GUY!!1 OH AN HE CANT BE KILD! was.
lillitheris wrote...
The reason is probably that you, like I, did not actually hate the person/character Kai Leng, but the way that he was written in the game. Kai Leng wasn’t my arch nemesis, the bastard of an intern who was allowed to add AWESOME KUNG FOO GUY!!1 OH AN HE CANT BE KILD! was.
hot_heart wrote...
Then your second squadmate says "Kai Leng? More like, DIE Leng!"
Modifié par Icyflare, 17 juin 2012 - 08:44 .
MrStoob wrote...
lol, yea, KD Lang was pretty forgettable except for that he was made prominent in a 'LOOK AT ME!!!" kind of a way.
Modifié par Drussius, 17 juin 2012 - 08:48 .
MrStoob wrote...
fluffywalrus wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
Off-topic, I’m apparently a really small minority, but I couldn’t stand Zaeed. He’s irredeemable.
Also, brownie time!:wizard:
BROWNIES
Also, Zaeed is a bad character and he should feel bad. I've never liked him and in most of my games, I won't even pick him up and bring him onto the normandy. Don't like the guy. Especially after his loyalty mission.
But is it not our job also try to bring enlightenment to dark souls? That's how my Verity sees it anyway. :innocent:
dpMeggers wrote...
A question
One of my OCs has apparently decided that she doesn't like the nickname I had planned for her, and has chosen a different name instead. Has this happened to anyone else? I mean, not specifically this situation, but a character has decided, in the middle of you writing, that what you're writing is wrong and they're going to do things their own way? Because it happens to me more often than I'd like...
dpMeggers wrote...
Regarding chapter length: Holy hell you guys. The most I've ever managed in a chapter was something like 2.5k. My longest story is 12 chapters and it only has about 17k words. Where do all your words come from? Are you describing things? Are people giving speeches? (This is not me trying to up my wordcount - I'm perfectly satisfied with short chapters.)
Drussius wrote...
The idea i've settled on for my first fanfic centers largely around original characters. I've decided that I'm more comfortable presenting my own material for a first attempt than trying to do justice to established characters. However, I've decided to add one of the former Normandy squadmates to the story near the end. I would keep the name out of my questions since it would qualify as a spoiler, but since some of the issues revolve around the inclusion of the character, I just need to say who it is... Zaeed.
I had originally been thinking that I'd have him show up at a point later in the story, but as I'm writing, I find myself wondering if I should include him earlier and work him into the story, even though he wouldn't meet the other protagonists of the story until much later. I could add material expanding on how he came to be where the others meet him, etc. But I am wondering if I would be doing credit to the story this way, or if it's more likely that having him appear at the most dramatic moment would be the best course...
Drussius wrote...
As to word count, I think it just often takes me a while to get to the point of the chapter. I like dialogue, I like interaction, and I like filling in some descriptive elements that I feel sets the scene (though during editing I find myself removing a lot of superfluous details... does the reader really need to know that Guy the soldier kept itching his nose while waiting for the enemy to step into his field of fire? Probably not...) Plus, most of my writing to date has been original content, which requires a lot more descriptive elements since the reader (if I had any readers) would not be familiar with the setting.
to read your story now, so distract me, damnit :innocent: (I'm kidding... seriously, take your time, but don't worry too much about harsh feedback - people are usually constructive and very nice about it).
Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 17 juin 2012 - 10:36 .
Modifié par MrStoob, 17 juin 2012 - 10:47 .
noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
Drussius wrote...
I had originally been thinking that I'd have him show up at a point later in the story, but as I'm writing, I find myself wondering if I should include him earlier and work him into the story, even though he wouldn't meet the other protagonists of the story until much later. I could add material expanding on how he came to be where the others meet him, etc. But I am wondering if I would be doing credit to the story this way, or if it's more likely that having him appear at the most dramatic moment would be the best course...
I had a similar (although not as large-scale) problem very early on in my story. I don't know if I tackled it well or not, but I wanted to include a key character in a mission they were not supposed to be involved in. I think foreshadowing is pretty important, and if the readers can work out what you're getting towards (I know for a fact fluffywalrus did), then it won't be so much of a shock / so "cheesy", as you put it, when they do. You don't necessarily have to mention him by name, but perhaps describe him or refer to him loosely. Not so much that it's entirely obvious, but enough such that if people suspect, or when they go back and read earlier chapters again, there'll be an "aaaaahhh".
As for Zaeed... I have a love-hate relationship with him. I love some of his dialogue and a bit of his attitude, but his loyalty mission... urgh. I just wanted to shoot him in the face. Pretty despicable thing to do.
I wouldn't worry about his inclusion. Characters aren't meant to be Mary / Gary Sues. Zaeed has his flaws and they create strife, which breeds draaaaaamaaaaa. And everyone likes draaaaaamaaaaaa. I certainly would be interested in reading your story, since I think Zaeed is an often under-explored character. I mean, being shot in the head... that's gotta screw up your motivations and priorities.
noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
Anyway hoped my rambling has helped some, and I hope I haven't repeated too much of what's already been said. Two pages is a lot to skim through
Modifié par Drussius, 17 juin 2012 - 10:51 .
MrStoob wrote...
I've a story length problem. I've got a bunch of short 'scenes' that are only like 800-1200 words each. They're not in any way related other than being set in the ME universe. Dunno what to do with them. There's an Aethyta one, a Zaeed one, Cerberus one, etc. and they just wouldn't gel as a story or even a collection really. I shoe-horned on onto Blue, but I'm not certain it really works as it makes the story jump forward a bit, however, as I'm hitting the ME1 story now, that might not jar so much.
Drussius wrote...
I worry about my characters being seen as Mary Sues or Gary Stus, which I think actually tends to push me more toward the opposite end of the spectrum, making characters that are a little TOO damaged and/or flawed. But as far as Zaeed goes, that's not my concern. If anything, I think he will bring a bit of interest to the story based on his rather ruthless personality.
Hopefully the following will not be too spoilery for my story:
The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of introducing him later or even just foreshadowing his inclusion. I find myself leaning more toward bouncing back and forth between my OCs and Zaeed, including him as a character in a parellel story arc that will eventually reach a point where they merge. It might be fun to explore a bit of the events leading up to the climax of the story, and to let the readers in on Zaeed's perspective on things.
Drussius wrote...
Edit: Has anyone noticed that the words "I worry..." show up in a lot of my threads? I worry that I'm worrying too much.
Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 17 juin 2012 - 10:56 .
Drussius wrote...
MrStoob wrote...
I've a story length problem. I've got a bunch of short 'scenes' that are only like 800-1200 words each. They're not in any way related other than being set in the ME universe. Dunno what to do with them. There's an Aethyta one, a Zaeed one, Cerberus one, etc. and they just wouldn't gel as a story or even a collection really. I shoe-horned on onto Blue, but I'm not certain it really works as it makes the story jump forward a bit, however, as I'm hitting the ME1 story now, that might not jar so much.
Have you thought about perhaps expanding on them? I don't know how much of that can be done without seeing what you've written, but perhaps they can be expanded into something a bit longer and used as a series of one-shot short stories.
hot_heart wrote...
On the talk of Gary Stu stuff, I sometimes get the feeling that I am writing Miranda as too competent or infallible even within her 'constraints' and, conversely, I am working towards the reason she can't tell Shepard why she needs access to Alliance resources (and why she leaves after Sanctuary) where I'm worried it might undermine her too much.
Just have to trust my instincts, I guess.
Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 17 juin 2012 - 11:36 .
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