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[fainmaca]

@Drussius: Asari blood is purple. Salarian is green (don't believe me? sabotage the cure to find out)

I think Terra Nova is meant to be a typical Earth-like garden world. Its one of the most successful colonies (If you do BDTS)

There's never anything mentioned about other settlements, but I seem to recall it being heavily implied the place has been picked over across the centuries. Maybe they feel there's nothing there to discover anymore.

In other news, I've republished Chapter 46 of ITU, now with the latest quarter added to the end. I'm almost done with this mission, and only have one more quarter to go. I'd really appreciate some thoughts/feedback!
Link: http://www.fanfictio...nto_the_Unknown

Modifié par fainmaca, 19 juin 2012 - 01:07 .

[Drussius]

Thank you for the answers. I should know some of these things (the blood, for example) just by having played through the games. But try as I might, I could NOT remember what color the Asari Spectre's blood was from Lair of the Shadow Broker. I remember tracking her via blood droplets, but not the color of them.

Your fic is definitely one that is on my list to check out. I promise I will get there eventually. I am almost done with lill's fic, and the list of fics that I want to read is growing by the day. So many talented writers here!

[fainmaca]

You might wanna leave mine till last. Its that damn long, you need to give everyone else a chance first.
I can kinda be a blabbermouth when the writing mood takes me.

[Drussius]

fainmaca wrote...

You might wanna leave mine till last. Its that damn long, you need to give everyone else a chance first.
I can kinda be a blabbermouth when the writing mood takes me.

But reading the writing of blabbermouth writers makes me more verbose in my own writing! It's like a symbiosis of sorts!

Edit: Just realized that my statement might have come across as an insult of some kind. Far from it. I love to read verbose stories as well as more concise ones. But I find myself becoming more verbose in my own writing after reading particularly wordy/descriptive stories.

Modifié par Drussius, 19 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

PMC65 wrote...

Johnny Cash's version of Hurt was the song that finally made me connect to Garrus. I've never cared for that character (not hate or love) and when starting to add him in the story it was a struggle to hear his voice. That song was one of the key things that started our dialogues ... I know that some see him as batman but for me he came alive as a Doc Holliday.

Characters do have a way of music following them in my head ... Joker chapters are Creedence Clearwater Revival, Kaidan is Deep Forest, Pressly is Charlie Rich ... so on. 

Music is important during the creative process but once I start writing the room becomes a silent room. 

Now when I hit a wall while thinking of a ME related story my WWII music collection is pulled out and played. That always helps me move my head back into EW Shepard's world.

Holy crap, PMC, I blinked a few times, because I know the artists you've listed to describe those characters.  It's amazing!

If you don't mind me expanding on that;
 
My Nora Shepard is  primarily Sacred Spirit, mixed with a bit of Hawaiian traditional music.  Mostly because she wants to maintain some sense of her identity through her spirituality.

I can definately see Liara as Dead Can Dance.  Considering she's an archaelogist and that's where her heart lies.

I LOVED your description of using Johnny Cash for Garrus.  His type of country fits the man so well, considering his restlessness, need for justice, and almost bullheadedness.  And Joker as CCR and Kaidan, Deep Forest?  BRILLIANT!

Wrex?  Now that guy's hard.  I mean, he pretty laid back, as far as Krogan go, and he doesn't give a crap.  But if I had to make a choice, it'd be Gregorian Chant. As it only uses the voice and considering Krogan culture's pretty much circling the drain at this point, you make do with what you have and the krogan don't have much.

Tali?  One of your chapters gave me the idea and it fits the Quarians to a T, I believe.  Cirque du Soleil.  I have several of the show's soundtracks, btw. XD  (The Song I WANTED to use isn't available in my country, despite the fact that it was made in America!! What the crap!?)

Ashley?  Wow.  I think that's even tougher than Wrex. Well, I could imagine her keeping in line with her 'tough on the outside, but soft on the inside' and have her assume to listen to either Enya and/or some variation of Industrial Metal of ME's time to show the dichotomy she's capable of.

Now, these discussions I like, being an opera singer and all. XD

[PMC65]

IliyaMoroumetz - Music is an amazing way to connect with the characters! Sometimes a perfume/cologne can help, a color, a drink ... so many tricks to get a character to talk. Liara is most vocal when I go hiking ... but then again, she is the most vocal, stubborn and demanding of all the characters. She is so loud that I hear a piece of music in my head that isn't even real. I called it EtZev as a result and put it in the story.

As of late though ... these voices have been silent as my own fiction has tried taking over the spotlight. There is a stronger character in that book that is very jealous, demanding and high maintenance. I've been trying to silence him and get back to my ME story.

Duct tape might be needed.

[fluffywalrus]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...
I can definately see Liara as Dead Can Dance.  Considering she's an archaelogist and that's where her heart lies.

Yes.
Yes a thousand times over. I think Lisa Gerrard's voice especially is a perfect fit to match the sense of wonder and passion behind Liara's pursuits, digging through the tragedy of the death of a civilization for hope and understanding.
Not that Brendan Perry's contributions are any lesser or anything...I love a lot of the tracks he fronts (Black Sun, In the Land of the Blind...) . DCD are just so...wonderfully majestic.

Honestly, Summoning of the Muse, The Host of Seraphim, and Windfall are three just unforgettable tracks imo.
Great call there, tying them to Liara. I couldn't agree more.

[lillitheris]

Actually, here’s a slightly topical question: how much will human music have fundamentally evolved in ~200 years?

While, yes, there’s been an explosion in styles in the last century, it’s mostly been predicated by technological advancements. With limited aural capability and synthesizers, is there anything that really hasn’t been explored yet?

[fluffywalrus]

lillitheris wrote...

Actually, here’s a slightly topical question: how much will human music have fundamentally evolved in ~200 years?

While, yes, there’s been an explosion in styles in the last century, it’s mostly been predicated by technological advancements. With limited aural capability and synthesizers, is there anything that really hasn’t been explored yet?

I'm not entirely sure how it'll evolve...I would imagine that music of other species would be fairly big for a while, though as for human music...I think it would be slightly more electronically focus than it is now. Synthesizers will get complex enough to emulate any instrument efficiently given the proper input device, so I see grand pianos and those huge standing basses, and a lot of other traditional instruments as being relics of a different age by the time 200 years passes.

I think that music has explored itself quite thoroughly. Perhaps something will come along that can affect the listener's senses, or that can cause an increased release of endorphins in the brain or something....it would be more than just music and more of an experience, but I suppose it could be possible...maybe? I don't know.

I mean, musical innovation has slowed considerably in recent decades, and most are simply fine-tuning and twisting what's already been made possible. I'm not sure what else is possible.

[lillitheris]

It’s Bieber and Pitbull all the way down from here.

…

Here’s another pondering…Yoshiyuki Ly kindly did a few chapterwise reviews for me, and she mentioned that there might be an expectation mismatch given the story label as Sci-Fi/Romance and all of my romance being literally that without anything but short remarks toward naughty business — mostly because one of the pair is not even conscious. But I wonder if there might be something to it. On the other hand, as much mush as I have, it’s still not exactly a light read…

I might’ve asked on the Liara thread but I’m kind of getting tired of that scene, so to speak.

(I also threw in ‘faboiedeae’ for more romance content in Ch. 21…)

[hot_heart]

Gosh, I never even considered the labels when I started mine; just picked what seemed most appropriate from vague options. I'd rather let the story speak for itself, though I can see why, going in, some people might prefer to know more.

I guess with a lot of fanfic, the 'romance' label can bring different expectations, and I tend to avoid that anyway.

Modifié par hot_heart, 19 juin 2012 - 09:51 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

fluffywalrus wrote...
I think that music has explored itself quite thoroughly. Perhaps something will come along that can affect the listener's senses, or that can cause an increased release of endorphins in the brain or something....it would be more than just music and more of an experience, but I suppose it could be possible...maybe? I don't know.

I agree that a lot of musical styles have been exploited, and that a lot of music in the future will probably come from synthesizers. As for how it may evolve, there's a human condition known as synaesthesia, whereby cross-talk between neural regions in the brain results in the activation of more than one sensory modailty when another is stimulated (e.g., most commonly, colour associated with certain auditory stimuli). There is a strong familial tendency, but there are reports of instances happening with the use of psychedelic drugs, e.g. LSD. I'd imagine that in the future, entertainment could evolve such that two sensory modalities or more could be simultaneously activated to enhance enjoyment / interpretation of music. As for story-wise, that's how I've written the Rachni's perception of the world.

As for musical recommendations... Yeah, definitely give Schubert a try   I agree that Clint Mansell os inspired. I get the feel he 'borrows' a lot from Beethoven's piano sonatas; but his arrangment of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lame ('A Swan Song for Nina' comes to mind), and his theme for Requiem for A Dream were particularly inspired.

Edit: actually I quite like the inadvertent typo... Wish I could claim credit for it

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 19 juin 2012 - 10:40 .

[hot_heart]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
Tchaikovsky's Swan Lame

"Yeah, it's a lesser-known one. A little underwhelming."

[noxiuniversitas1]

 Shush... iPhones and BSN don't mix well.. Typing requires 

[lillitheris]

Mansell is so fantastic that he can even make a movie with Jared Leto seem epic.

Seriously, though, Requiem is a fantastic movie… I broadly divide people into two camps: those who prefer Trainspotting, and those who prefer Requiem.

[fluffywalrus]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...


I'm not entirely sure how it'll evolve...I would imagine that music of other species would be fairly big for a while, though as for human music...I think it would be slightly more electronically focus than it is now. Synthesizers will get complex enough to emulate any instrument efficiently given the proper input device, so I see grand pianos and those huge standing basses, and a lot of other traditional instruments as being relics of a different age by the time 200 years passes.

I think that music has explored itself quite thoroughly. Perhaps something will come along that can affect the listener's senses, or that can cause an increased release of endorphins in the brain or something....it would be more than just music and more of an experience, but I suppose it could be possible...maybe? I don't know.

I agree that a lot of musical styles have been exploited, and that a lot of music in the future will probably come from synthesizers. As for how it may evolve, there's a human condition known as synaesthesia, whereby cross-talk between neural regions in the brain results in the activation of more than one sensory modailty when another is stimulated (e.g., most commonly, colour associated with certain auditory stimuli). There is a strong familial tendency, but there are reports of instances happening with the use of psychedelic drugs, e.g. LSD. I'd imagine that in the future, entertainment could evolve such that two sensory modalities or more could be simultaneously activated to enhance enjoyment / interpretation of music. As for story-wise, that's how I've written the Rachni's perception of the world.

As for musical recommendations... Yeah, definitely give Schubert a try   I agree that Clint Mansell os inspired. I get the feel he 'borrows' a lot from Beethoven's piano sonatas; but his arrangment of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lame ('A Swan Song for Nina' comes to mind), and his theme for Requiem for. A Dream were particularly inspired.

Aye. I think in the future, that it won't just be an aural experience, that it'll be combined/fused/etc. with other stimuli or whatnot. I'd like to think that in two hundred years, that listening to a piece of music could bring one the smell of surf, could provide subtle (temporary, of course) visual 'enhancements', among other things. Just seems like a reasonable progression.

Yeah, Mansell is pretty great. I mean, it's odd...he was a guitarist and singer for a band and then went on to compose Aronofsky's Pi and Requiem for a Dream....it's kind of really weird...but he's just really good at making a theme and building on it. And he seems to utilize some of the aspects I love about post-rock(and I know he's a big Godspeed You! Black Emperor fan, which earns brownie pts from me), which seem to shine through in The Fountain, Moon, and a few of his other films.
His stuff on Requiem and The Fountain are just....amazing, though. I liked his compositions for Black Swan and Moon as well, but Requiem and The Fountain will keep places in my heart.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 19 juin 2012 - 11:00 .

[dpMeggers]

Regarding the music/synethesia experience: during Samara's loyalty mission you can talk to VJ on your way into Afterlife's VIP area and he mentions the sensory band Expel 10. "They get into your head and make you feel things" or something along those lines. I don't know if they'd be human in origin, but I don't doubt that human bands would replicate it.

The question now is: would your characters (Shepard, Human OC's) listen to it? What would they listen to?

[fluffywalrus]

dpMeggers wrote...

Regarding the music/synethesia experience: during Samara's loyalty mission you can talk to VJ on your way into Afterlife's VIP area and he mentions the sensory band Expel 10. "They get into your head and make you feel things" or something along those lines. I don't know if they'd be human in origin, but I don't doubt that human bands would replicate it.

The question now is: would your characters (Shepard, Human OC's) listen to it? What would they listen to?

Forgot about Expel 10! Well, I more or less didn't really check up on them or whatever suring Samara's mission. Figured they were just a band.
Certainly a good question, though. I'm not sure at this point what my Shep/OCs would listen to. Despite myself being obsessed with music, my characters really don't have too much exposure to music, and it's something I've been thinking about re: their development lately.

I'd say maybe on the odd night a year, or if going to a bar with friends, perhaps. Not likely outside of that.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Considering that Morinth was into them while you're hunting her, I'd say Expel10 would be akin to an Industrial Metal/Techno hybrid. It has the beats and it has to be heavy to get the blood pumping. Oh! Almost something like the music you hear in Afterlife.

Wait, like a heavier version of Enigma. That works!

[lillitheris]

dpMeggers wrote...

The question now is: would your characters (Shepard, Human OC's) listen to it? What would they listen to?

That’s sort of what I was getting at…listening to ‘oldies’ from the current era seems a little cliché-y, but if there’s not significant evolution, it’s probably only logical that a lot of music of today (as in 1950->) is still ‘contemporary’ enough rather than sounding like folk songs from the 1300’s.

…

Could I bother someone to look over Chapter 21? I re-read it this morning and while I’m OK with the actual story, sequences and the pacing, it seems maybe a dash…I dunno, choppy, or abrupt? Could use some flavor text around some parts, I guess.

Standard disclaimer applies…either be up to date, or don’t care about spoilers

[Drussius]

dpMeggers wrote...

Regarding the music/synethesia experience: during Samara's loyalty mission you can talk to VJ on your way into Afterlife's VIP area and he mentions the sensory band Expel 10. "They get into your head and make you feel things" or something along those lines. I don't know if they'd be human in origin, but I don't doubt that human bands would replicate it.

The question now is: would your characters (Shepard, Human OC's) listen to it? What would they listen to?

This actually came to mind as I was catching up on the thread just now. I'm glad someone mentioned it. And when I first saw that scene in-game, it reminded me of about ten or fifteen years ago, when a friend of mine was running a tabletop RPG set in space. I forget what system it was. Rifts maybe? Possibly something Robotech-related. But he had a concept where certain types of concerts used sound waves and light pulses to stimulate emotion much more powerfully in the listener while giving them pseudo-hallucigenic expereinces (without harmful side effects, of course)... the audience would cry during the sad passages and might see a funeral taking place in the rain, feel the raindrops on their faces, smell the freshly turned earth... they would feel triumphant during a grand and upbeat song about victory and see images of soldiers celebrating, hear the faint cheers of citizens... become amorous during romantic-type music and have visions of their loved ones or their dream-girl/guy, smell the flowers they want to deliver to them, their purfume, the smell of their hair, whatever... get rushes of adrenaline in face-paced and frenetic songs, experiencing images of battle, the smell of gunpowder, and so forth... This is what I thought of when I heard the term "Sensory Band." I thought it was a cool idea at the time, and it still seemed cool when ME brought it back into my head.

Although I doubt any standard radio or omni-tool would be able to broadcast an experience like that. It would be limited to live shows. (Besides, people get distracted enough by music in their cars. The last thing some future civilization would need is drivers hallucinating and enjoying an emotional rollercoaster while driving).

[dpMeggers]

lillitheris wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

The question now is: would your characters (Shepard, Human OC's) listen to it? What would they listen to?

That’s sort of what I was getting at…listening to ‘oldies’ from the current era seems a little cliché-y, but if there’s not significant evolution, it’s probably only logical that a lot of music of today (as in 1950->) is still ‘contemporary’ enough rather than sounding like folk songs from the 1300’s.

In ambient dialogue in ME2, Joker complains about 'contemporary' music 
"Know what I hate about deep space? Crap radio stations from two centuries back. Gosh, we were idiots." So I assume someone's still listening to it. And you figure 200 years ago for us Westerners was Beethoven, Bach, Schubert and Mozart and judging from the discussion in this thread they're still pretty popular. Or at the very least it's not out of the ordinary for people to listen to them.

[lillitheris]

dpMeggers wrote...

In ambient dialogue in ME2, Joker complains about 'contemporary' music 
"Know what I hate about deep space? Crap radio stations from two centuries back. Gosh, we were idiots." So I assume someone's still listening to it. And you figure 200 years ago for us Westerners was Beethoven, Bach, Schubert and Mozart and judging from the discussion in this thread they're still pretty popular. Or at the very least it's not out of the ordinary for people to listen to them.

Heh, I don’t remember that part — but I think what Joker is actually saying is that he is picking up radio signals from 200 years ago :happy:

Still, though, classical music is distinctly considered to be old-fashioned now (popular culture-wise), it’s so different from the current variety…I’m wondering if they would really feel the same kind of anachronism.

…

Drussius: What I’m reading is basically “everyone does a lot of drugs and then listens to music”, which works well enough

[flippedeclipse]

PMC65 wrote...

Johnny Cash's version of Hurt was the song that finally made me connect to Garrus. I've never cared for that character (not hate or love) and when starting to add him in the story it was a struggle to hear his voice. That song was one of the key things that started our dialogues ... I know that some see him as batman but for me he came alive as a Doc Holliday.

Hehe, the fic just so happens to centre around Garrus' darker side. And I definitely understand having problems hearing his voice; I've been trying for literally months to get it right, but I still feel like what I write is convoluted by what Garrus is portrayed as in most fanfiction centring around him (and boy, is there a lot haha). ME3 Garrus is a little easier to write, but I try not to touch his ME2 version with a ten foot pole.

[MrStoob]

Felt it necessary to post... the person I actually want to speak to doesn't use an FF user.

I've some musical things I need to work on and I'm feeling uninspired on the Blue story (I even broke it a bit last chapter), so there might not be any updates for a little while.

That is all.  

Modifié par MrStoob, 19 juin 2012 - 06:38 .