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[fainmaca]

Go on.... Give in to your anger.... *Emperor cackle*

You know you can't resist the draw of a battle with Krogan Battlemechs in it. Not to mention what they're fighting....

[lillitheris]

I dunno, I have Wrex dual-wielding bent rebar. I need to do a one-off for background for that. I also need to commission that artwork…

[Obsidian Gryphon]

lillitheris wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Q - in Allaince ranks, is major = to captain?

Yep.. Major and General are infantry, Captain and Rear Admiral are fleet.

To date, I haven't heard any NPC addressed as general. It's usually admiral, seeming to indicate they're using navy terms.. I'm mostly confused by Alenko addressed as major and not captain so I'm wondering if that rank is given to Alliance personnel attached to a unit and captain attached to a ship.

[lillitheris]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Q - in Allaince ranks, is major = to captain?

Yep.. Major and General are infantry, Captain and Rear Admiral are fleet.

To date, I haven't heard any NPC addressed as general. It's usually admiral, seeming to indicate they're using navy terms.. I'm mostly confused by Alenko addressed as major and not captain so I'm wondering if that rank is given to Alliance personnel attached to a unit and captain attached to a ship.

Well, Kaidan is infantry. Technically a non-Captain can be a captain, too — for example the dreadnoughts are typically captained by at least rear admirals.

I don’t really see much of a need for a general where the game is concerned…it seems that tactics are mostly fleet-based, and units are small enough to only have majors on the field. What generals there are, would probably be attached to either more administrative positions or maybe command planetary defenses for an entire colony or something of that nature.

In my fic (or rather, in my background for it), each SA Fleet had two generals, one essentially the chief of staff for the infantry, and one acting as the ground strategist/tactician for the fleet command.

[fainmaca]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Q - in Allaince ranks, is major = to captain?

Yep.. Major and General are infantry, Captain and Rear Admiral are fleet.

To date, I haven't heard any NPC addressed as general. It's usually admiral, seeming to indicate they're using navy terms.. I'm mostly confused by Alenko addressed as major and not captain so I'm wondering if that rank is given to Alliance personnel attached to a unit and captain attached to a ship.

Well Ashley's Grandfather was General Williams.

But yeah, as Lillitheris said, Kaidan is a footsoldier, whereas most of the military Shep deals with in the course of the games are assigned to starships, a part of the Alliance Navy. I imagine the Alliance army isn't all that big, as most of the combat Humanity faces is now out among the stars.

[Ursakar]

lillitheris wrote...

I dunno, I have Wrex dual-wielding bent rebar. I need to do a one-off for background for that. I also need to commission that artwork…

In my last chapter Grunt killed a geth Prime with a sledgehammer.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

So Alliance infantry can be promoted to command a ship. Right? Otherwise, Shep wouldn't be hotfooting aorund in Torfan/Skyllian Blitz/Akuze as a marine and getting bumped years later to command a frigate. I always think of infantry/marine/foot soldiers as one separate chain culminating in general than admiral.

[Sialater]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

So Alliance infantry can be promoted to command a ship. Right? Otherwise, Shep wouldn't be hotfooting aorund in Torfan/Skyllian Blitz/Akuze as a marine and getting bumped years later to command a frigate. I always think of infantry/marine/foot soldiers as one separate chain culminating in general than admiral.

Shep would probably be called Major instead of Captain, yes.  

However, the Normandy's not meant for a stand up fight.  Most of Shep's missions are on the "ground" so to speak.  The Normandy's just there to get her where she needs to go quietly.

[Ursakar]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

So Alliance infantry can be promoted to command a ship. Right? Otherwise, Shep wouldn't be hotfooting aorund in Torfan/Skyllian Blitz/Akuze as a marine and getting bumped years later to command a frigate. I always think of infantry/marine/foot soldiers as one separate chain culminating in general than admiral.

Well, what they did with Sheaprd was a special case. She was granted the comand of the Normandy once she was made a Spectre.

I'm still not entierelly sure why Anderson had to step away as the Normandy's captain. Most of Shepard's activity was on the ground, while Anderson could've remained a ship's CO. They did say that Shepard was outside of the chain of command, therefore the Anderson wouldn't had any power over Shepard.

Modifié par Ursakar, 20 juin 2012 - 01:53 .

[Sialater]

Ursakar wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

So Alliance infantry can be promoted to command a ship. Right? Otherwise, Shep wouldn't be hotfooting aorund in Torfan/Skyllian Blitz/Akuze as a marine and getting bumped years later to command a frigate. I always think of infantry/marine/foot soldiers as one separate chain culminating in general than admiral.

Well, what they did with Sheaprd was a special case. She was granted the comand of the Normandy once she was made a Spectre.

I'm still not entierelly sure why Anderson had to step away as the Normandy's captain. Most of Shepard's activity was on the ground, while Anderson could've remained a ship's CO. They did say that Shepard was outside of the chain of command, therefore the Anderson wouldn't had any power over Shepard.

What she actually needed was the crew.  

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Sialater wrote...

Ursakar wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

So Alliance infantry can be promoted to command a ship. Right? Otherwise, Shep wouldn't be hotfooting aorund in Torfan/Skyllian Blitz/Akuze as a marine and getting bumped years later to command a frigate. I always think of infantry/marine/foot soldiers as one separate chain culminating in general than admiral.

Well, what they did with Sheaprd was a special case. She was granted the comand of the Normandy once she was made a Spectre.

I'm still not entierelly sure why Anderson had to step away as the Normandy's captain. Most of Shepard's activity was on the ground, while Anderson could've remained a ship's CO. They did say that Shepard was outside of the chain of command, therefore the Anderson wouldn't had any power over Shepard.

What she actually needed was the crew.  

*scratches head with hair sticking straight up*

Firstly, in ME 1, Shep's rank as Commander means what. XO of the Normandy or commander of the marines based on the Normandy?

2ndly, if he/she has no experience in commanding/running a ship, why give him/her the Normandy? Anderson could have just stayed on as captain but he did not. So was Presley the de facto CO of Normandy?

3rdly, if Shep has no training to command a ship, figures why he/she would tell Joker to close in and finish off the Collector ship in ME 2.

It seems to me that the Alliance is a hybrid.

[Sialater]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Ursakar wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

So Alliance infantry can be promoted to command a ship. Right? Otherwise, Shep wouldn't be hotfooting aorund in Torfan/Skyllian Blitz/Akuze as a marine and getting bumped years later to command a frigate. I always think of infantry/marine/foot soldiers as one separate chain culminating in general than admiral.

Well, what they did with Sheaprd was a special case. She was granted the comand of the Normandy once she was made a Spectre.

I'm still not entierelly sure why Anderson had to step away as the Normandy's captain. Most of Shepard's activity was on the ground, while Anderson could've remained a ship's CO. They did say that Shepard was outside of the chain of command, therefore the Anderson wouldn't had any power over Shepard.

What she actually needed was the crew.  

*scratches head with hair sticking straight up*

Firstly, in ME 1, Shep's rank as Commander means what. XO of the Normandy or commander of the marines based on the Normandy?

2ndly, if he/she has no experience in commanding/running a ship, why give him/her the Normandy? Anderson could have just stayed on as captain but he did not. So was Presley the de facto CO of Normandy?

3rdly, if Shep has no training to command a ship, figures why he/she would tell Joker to close in and finish off the Collector ship in ME 2.

It seems to me that the Alliance is a hybrid.

It *IS* a hybrid.  That's why only two ranks have differences.  

Remember, BW has no real world experience in any military and didn't ask for a consultant from either the Canadian armed forces or the US armed forces.  

Don't get me started on Mustanging Ashley.  <_<

[Ursakar]

Mustanging Ashley?

[Sialater]

That's what it's called when an NCO is promoted to officer.

It's not really done in real world military.

[lillitheris]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

*scratches head with hair sticking straight up*

Firstly, in ME 1, Shep's rank as Commander means what. XO of the Normandy or commander of the marines based on the Normandy?

It doesn’t mean anything as such…She’s a Commander (probably Lieutenant Commander in start of ME), N7 graduate, and thus an infantry leader. If she had a field command, it’d probably be over a couple of special forces platoons or so.

2ndly, if he/she has no experience in commanding/running a ship, why give him/her the Normandy? Anderson could have just stayed on as captain but he did not. So was Presley the de facto CO of Normandy?

We don’t know if she does have experience in running a ship although I think it likely that all SA officers go through some type of cross training, and she might have had special. The actual running is handled by the XO — Pressly and Miranda — and other people fly the ship, Joker and whoever runs it when he’s bunking. She’s also not expected to make fleet battle decisions, so that part of training is not overly important. So basically Shepard says ‘make it so’, and the others make.

Anderson could not have stayed as captain, it would have been a CoC conflict. The SA essentially committed the Normandy to the Spectre for the duration of the mission(s).

It seems to me that the Alliance is a hybrid.

It is a hybrid, definitely. There is no army, air force, or marines, it’s all under the navy. But similar to how just being in the navy doesn’t qualify you to fly a navy helicopter, there are different training orientations within that one hierarchy.

…

Also, I get the ‘real world military’ complaints, but I don’t really agree with them…the SA operates logically enough; it’s a completely different paradigm from any contemporary Earth militaries.

Modifié par lillitheris, 20 juin 2012 - 02:49 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Ok, I was actually trying to decide whether I "promoted" Shepard with the wrong title (fanfiction) so captain she will stay. I figured captain was more approrpiate since she was still in command of the Normandy.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 20 juin 2012 - 02:49 .

[Sialater]

 Mustanging an officer.

Most of the obections surrounding Ashley's Mustanging center around the fact that most NCO's DO NOT want to be promoted to officer-ship. They prefer to work for a living.  Ashley has always stuck me as similar in attitude.  There's also the fact that I doubt she's had enough time in grade.

Modifié par Sialater, 20 juin 2012 - 02:53 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Urgh. Ashley's hairdo in ME3 was ridiculously unrealistic. "Too videogamey"??

And ranks.. yeah.. it always bothered me that they claimed marines kept their own ranks despite being amalgamated into the Alliance Navy; Shep is a marine, yet she has a "Lt Commander" rank. IDK if the Alliance is modelled on US naval/marine ranks (makes sense given Canada apparently does not have a marine corps?), but Commander is a naval rank, not a marine one (marine equivalent being "Major").

Anyway I headcannoned it such that Shep was a marine who transferred into the Navy following the whole N7 special forces thing, hence her rank. And if she was promoted to full Commander in ME3, then Kaidan wouldn't outrank her . I kinda ignored the ME1 codex ranks and used the traditional US Navy / Marine ranks... too annoying having Kaidan outrank her.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

lillitheris wrote...


We don’t know if she does have experience in running a ship although I think it likely that all SA officers go through some type of cross training, and she might have had special. The actual running is handled by the XO — Pressly and Miranda — and other people fly the ship, Joker and whoever runs it when he’s bunking. She’s also not expected to make fleet battle decisions, so that part of training is not overly important. So basically Shepard says ‘make it so’, and the others make.

Ok, I'm going to assume most Alliance officers/marines (shucks, whatever, damn you BW, you just don't get it right from the beginning, such a  simple thing) do get training in ship operations otherwise they're in R-tipple-D if the XO and a few below him gets wiped.

I'm mostly getting some idea of Fleet ranks from the HH series. Fleet officers have to know A - Z of ship operations, fleet manuvers and tactics (officers deemed suitable to command anything bigger than a destroyer go to ATC. If they passed, they will command dreadnoughts, BCs and SDs ), they strictly do not do ground side. Marine detachments onboard do the ground pounding, assists in evac if the ship is hit, oversees POWs they pick up. They also maintain shipboard discipline. 

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 20 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[Sialater]

Use David Weber for a model for fic purposes. It's easier.

[dpMeggers]

Sialater wrote...

 Mustanging an officer.

Most of the obections surrounding Ashley's Mustanging center around the fact that most NCO's DO NOT want to be promoted to officer-ship. They prefer to work for a living.  Ashley has always stuck me as similar in attitude.  There's also the fact that I doubt she's had enough time in grade.

Maybe she saw it as redemption? Or possibly it was a political thing - Alliance Brass:
"Well crap, looks like Shepard was right about those Reapers."
"Yes but we can't let Shepard out, it looks bad"
"Balls. What about Shepard's old crew, anyone with experience fighting reapers."
"We have Williams."
"Good. Promote her."

Although how she went from Operations Chief to Lieutenant to LCdr in 6 months is absolutely baffling. I may not know a whole lot about the military, but I would have thought that would be exceedingly unlikely.

Re: her appearance. I agree with Nox - the hair makes no sense. And neither does her 'casual outfit.' I assume its meant to be like a service uniform, but it just looks... lets just say I prefer the other options in her concept art (here). Especially considering that all Kaidan (who is a Major) wears the crewman's uniform everywhere.

I treat the whole Marines/Navy blend thing with a giant shrug. As in, if BioWare says that's the way it is then fine. But the flight crew also gets Navy titles like Ensign and Yeoman (fine a starship is more like a boat than an airplane - except fighter/interceptors, those are more like airplanes). So our Marines/Navy/Air Force are all squished together into one large unifed force - because you can't get anywhere without the 'Navy'. Which begs the question: is Joker a Flight Lieutenant to differentiate from being a marine Lieutenant?

So as it works in my head: Ground force infantry (garrisons and the like) - you have your Serviceman, Major and General. Naval infantry (the ones they ship around to hot spots, the ones who run the ship) Private, Captain and Rear Admiral. Flight crew: actually Navy/Air Force. Totally seperate system (which we know nothing about).

Edited for spelling

Modifié par dpMeggers, 20 juin 2012 - 03:40 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

I just like to say with all these talks about rank and being an Opera singer, I am, in fact, the very model of a modern major general... and I can sing that song. It's just the lyrics are difficult to speak without tripping over your tongue at the cadence that's usually expected. XD

As you were.

[fainmaca]

I think Ashley would have totally rocked a ponytail for the game. Something to keep the hair out of her face, at least. And less makeup, for god's sakes! What we got in ME1 and 2 was Ashley the Soldier, Miranda the Secret Agent, Jack the Convict and Liara the science-y nerd type. Then in ME3 all we got was Ashley the bimbo with trust issues, Miranda the bimbo who seems to have forgotten you resolved her sister issues already, Jack the tough but still glamourized bimbo, and Liara the bimbo with a touch of stalker about her (anyone else think the clean white look for her really clashed with the idea of seedy information lord? I'd have expected more of a long black coat with collar pulled up around the ears look). Tali is still Tali, if a little more buxom. Pretty hard to screw up someone whose face you keep hidden. Oh wait....

Anyway, interestingly I've already had a few people express an interest in helping with the ITU collaboration project. Are there any more out there? Everything is appreciated!

[Ursakar]

fainmaca wrote...

I think Ashley would have totally rocked a ponytail for the game. Something to keep the hair out of her face, at least. And less makeup, for god's sakes! What we got in ME1 and 2 was Ashley the Soldier, Miranda the Secret Agent, Jack the Convict and Liara the science-y nerd type. Then in ME3 all we got was Ashley the bimbo with trust issues, Miranda the bimbo who seems to have forgotten you resolved her sister issues already, Jack the tough but still glamourized bimbo, and Liara the bimbo with a touch of stalker about her (anyone else think the clean white look for her really clashed with the idea of seedy information lord? I'd have expected more of a long black coat with collar pulled up around the ears look). Tali is still Tali, if a little more buxom. Pretty hard to screw up someone whose face you keep hidden. Oh wait....

Anyway, interestingly I've already had a few people express an interest in helping with the ITU collaboration project. Are there any more out there? Everything is appreciated!

Things could have been worse. When pre-launch trailer was posted on YouTube I remember a guy who commented that the trailer was awesome but it would have been absolutely epic if all characters were dressed Final Fantasy style.

I was like:blink::blink:

[dpMeggers]

fainmaca wrote...

I think Ashley would have totally rocked a ponytail for the game. Something to keep the hair out of her face, at least. And less makeup, for god's sakes! What we got in ME1 and 2 was Ashley the Soldier, Miranda the Secret Agent, Jack the Convict and Liara the science-y nerd type. Then in ME3 all we got was Ashley the bimbo with trust issues, Miranda the bimbo who seems to have forgotten you resolved her sister issues already, Jack the tough but still glamourized bimbo, and Liara the bimbo with a touch of stalker about her (anyone else think the clean white look for her really clashed with the idea of seedy information lord? I'd have expected more of a long black coat with collar pulled up around the ears look). Tali is still Tali, if a little more buxom. Pretty hard to screw up someone whose face you keep hidden. Oh wait....

Anyway, interestingly I've already had a few people express an interest in helping with the ITU collaboration project. Are there any more out there? Everything is appreciated!

I love new Jack (and old Jack). Old Jack was badass but a bit psycho. New Jack is a Badass Mama Bear. 

I think Liara's white coat is a shout-out to her being a scientist? It's kinda like an armoured lab coat.

As for Miranda, her sister was relocated in ME2 with Cerberus help. Her father is now working for Cerberus. Daddy wants Oriana back, Cerberus wants results, hey presto! kidnapped Oriana. She's trying to deal with it without invoking Shep's help (much) so points for that I guess.

I can't speak to Ashely in ME3 much due to the fact that in my only playthrough in which she survived, I'm still on Palaven. 

Re: Collaboration project. I'm still on Chapter 1 of ITU. I won't comment on my ability to write for the collaboration until I've gotten a little farther than the first paragraph. ; )