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[Drussius]

Icyflare wrote...

But if you have solid technique, there should be some sort of power there, given that you're using your body correctly to land the blow...

Not when you're 11 years old and extremely scrawny. If I tried to put power into things, I was sloppy (and still ineffectual). If I concentrated on technique, the moves were pretty, but weak. But I wasn't being entirely serious. I had decent power in my side kicks and turning kicks. Hand strikes? No. No upper body strength at all.

[lillitheris]

dpMeggers wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
You should also factor in defensive capabilities for martial arts, in the event that they’re actually meant to be used rather than just for purposes of a hobby; highly protective armor is very light, kinetic shields are very effective and could conceivably be set to deflect energy, which would be problematic even for grapplers… Another thing would be weightless combat, or more generally any different gravity.

Essentially anything focusing on hits and kicks would be pretty useless. Sweeps might work, and grappling is a question mark — I guess you can make up your own rules for that. 

Regarding the bolded: I vaguely remember Kai Leng knifing someone in the books because he got inside their shields. Presumably grappling would offer the same advantage. Get inside shield, take person down.

Yes, there’re lots of silly things in the books :happy: You’re correct, though, there actually is a sequence like that.

(If anyone hasn’t read the three first books…the stories are OK, but everyone in this thread writes better than Karpyshyn. He’s kind of like Piers Anthony in that respect. The fourth book we do not speak about.)

Modifié par lillitheris, 21 juin 2012 - 08:22 .

[dpMeggers]

 What fourth book? 

Regarding the Karpashyn trilogy: they're not bad reads. They're entertaining, there's some lore thrown in, Anderson is in two of them, Kahlee Sanders is in all three. TIM makes an appearance (and is a jerkface). I enjoyed them. But I don't like to analyze what I read all that closely.

[noxiuniversitas1]

dpMeggers wrote...

 What fourth book? 

Regarding the Karpashyn trilogy: they're not bad reads. They're entertaining, there's some lore thrown in, Anderson is in two of them, Kahlee Sanders is in all three. TIM makes an appearance (and is a jerkface). I enjoyed them. But I don't like to analyze what I read all that closely.

Ah nice to know that TIM is a jerkface... he's already a monumental !@#$%er in the story I'm writing, and Shep's only on Noveria

[Theodoro]

Sorry to butt in with a question here, but I wondered how you guys organize writing shorter, one-chapter stories. Do you have the whole concept in mind before writing the first sentence of the fic, including the details and dialogue that it includes, or do they come to you as you go on writing? Do you think of the title first and choose it before writing the actual story, or do you decide what it is after you read what you've written and see what fits given the plot?

[survivor_686]

Theodoro wrote...

Sorry to butt in with a question here, but I wondered how you guys organize writing shorter, one-chapter stories. Do you have the whole concept in mind before writing the first sentence of the fic, including the details and dialogue that it includes, or do they come to you as you go on writing? Do you think of the title first and choose it before writing the actual story, or do you decide what it is after you read what you've written and see what fits given the plot?

Usually I create an outline of overall plot and characters. Included bullet points to arrange chapters around and then use that as a map for the story.

[lillitheris]

^ That’d seem something that depends highly on the person writing it I don’t think there’s a best practice.

I generally just have a central idea or two, and then characters work with that and do what they do.

[Sialater]

I sit and write. I'm a "seat of the pantser."

I have an end goal, but how I get there is anyone's guess.

[Drussius]

My writing is very much like lill's. I start with an overall plot idea and a few key points that were rolling around in my head, and then I write the dialogue and whatnot on the fly. Conversations seem to flow more naturally that way (for me, at least). And the title is usually the very last thing I pick.

But as was said previously, I don't think there's a "right" way to do it. You need to use the process that works for you. If having a title picked out first will keep your story more focused, then choose a title first. If you need to plot out the conversations in your head to keep them on track, then do it. And so forth.

Edit: Writing on the fly can sometimes lead to interesting results. I've had my stories change on me midstream, so that by the time I was done with the first dozen or so scenes, I had a whole different plot in mind than what I started with.

Modifié par Drussius, 21 juin 2012 - 08:58 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Theodoro wrote...

Sorry to butt in with a question here, but I wondered how you guys organize writing shorter, one-chapter stories. Do you have the whole concept in mind before writing the first sentence of the fic, including the details and dialogue that it includes, or do they come to you as you go on writing? Do you think of the title first and choose it before writing the actual story, or do you decide what it is after you read what you've written and see what fits given the plot?

It usually comes to me as I write... and that probably shows

Also, I have a pretty short attention span, so there's no way I could sit and draw out a plot without getting distracted. Plus... I hope that if I don't know what's going to happen, neither will the readers, so hopefully it won't be too predictable.

As for one-shots in particular, well the only one I've written (although I have another idea for one I might write tomorrow) is really short and revolves around one theme. I don't have any scenes / dialogue planned out, ever. I usually just imagine what someone I know (who is that character in my mind's eye) would do / say in that situation.

And titles... I think of them after everything is written.

Hope that helps somewhat, Theo...

[Theodoro]

lillitheris wrote...

^ That’d seem something that depends highly on the person writing it I don’t think there’s a best practice.

Oh, I didn't say there was. I was merely curious as to how others in this thread write their short stories.

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
As for one-shots in particular, wellthe only one I've written (although I have another idea for one I mightwrite tomorrow) is really short and revolves around one theme. I don't have any scenes / dialogue planned out, ever. I usually just imagine what someone I know (who is that character in my mind's eye) would do / say in that situation.

And titles... I think of them after everything is written.

Hope that helps somewhat, Theo...

I'm in the same boat here. Based on what the story is and its concept, it can be an effective method. And we have your stories as an example of that done well. Oh, and what's this about a new one-shot coming up? I'm suddenly excited to see what you've come up with! Is it going to be tied into 'Empty' in some way?

And thanks, it helps a lot!

Drussius wrote...
Edit: Writing on the fly can sometimes lead to interesting results. I've had my stories change on me midstream, so that by the time I was done with the first dozen or so scenes, I had a whole different plot in mind than what I started with.

Yeah, that I can see that happening. I never planned on including a certain plot point into a story of mine but when I got to the point where I did suddenly decide to include it, it just felt natural as if the whole fic was leading up to it. Go figure!

Modifié par Theodoro, 21 juin 2012 - 09:10 .

[fainmaca]

Coming in late on the rewrite topic:

I have actually significantly rewritten a portion of ITU. When i opened up with the first chapter, a lot of people found my treatment of Cerberus to be too clumsy, that they were too villainous. About six months in, I went back and rewrote it, made them a little more reactionary in their antagonistic actions rather than having them as the aggressors. Some people still complained, but they used complaints that didn't seem as crucial as the first round of problems.

For those who can stand being SPOILED: In the first draft, Cerberus attacked the Normandy while she was discharging excess energy into a planet's atmosphere, trapping her and taking the entire crew (save Tali, Samara and a few others) prisoner and scattering them to the four corners of the Galaxy. i also hinted that these attacks were happening on a regular basis, with the Normandy struggling to stay ahead. In the rewrite. I made it an Alliance raid on a Cerberus base that Shepard had to participate in against his better judgement, after which TIM came to the conclusion that Shepard and his team had to be contained to allow Cerberus to continue preparing for the Reaper invasion unopposed.

lillitheris wrote...
Yes, there’re lots of silly things in the books You’re correct, though, there actually is a sequence like that.

(If anyone hasn’t read the three first books…the stories are OK, but everyone in this thread writes better than Karpyshyn. He’s kind of like Piers Anthony in that respect. The fourth book we do not speak about.)

The Karp is alright. I think his Darth Bane books are great. The ME books are an okay supplement to the franchise, but nothing more. Certainly shouldn't have taken important parts from them and shoehorned it into the main franchise.

Theodoro wrote...

Sorry to butt in with a question here, but I wondered how you guys organize writing shorter, one-chapter stories. Do you have the whole concept in mind before writing the first sentence of the fic, including the details and dialogue that it includes, or do they come to you as you go on writing? Do you think of the title first and choose it before writing the actual story, or do you decide what it is after you read what you've written and see what fits given the plot?

Gonna agree with general consensus here. there's no right way to write. I've only written one set of one-shots and what i do is pick the idea I want to explore (in this case, the story behind one of Jack's tattoos) then go with it. What I tend to do is choose what i want to write about, then get a specific image in my head that symbolises the chapter for me (works for my main fics too).

[dpMeggers]

Theodoro wrote...

Sorry to butt in with a question here, but I wondered how you guys organize writing shorter, one-chapter stories. Do you have the whole concept in mind before writing the first sentence of the fic, including the details and dialogue that it includes, or do they come to you as you go on writing? Do you think of the title first and choose it before writing the actual story, or do you decide what it is after you read what you've written and see what fits given the plot?

The only one-shot I ever wrote wound up being my longest fic...but that wasn't planned.

I wrote it on the bus to class one day (I had an hour long commute). The whole concept just popped into my head in its entirety and then I wrote it down.

I always write the title last. Because I hate them: see Conversation in a Bar. It was originally a one shot about... you guessed it, a conversation in a bar. (Have I mentionned I hate titles?)

When it was suggested that I expand the fic I wound up planning most of the plot up to the Blitz over the course of a few days. It was usually in the form of: these things happen, these are the people involved, this is approximate dialogue. Up until now I've written the chapters to reflect that. Given that I've run through my plan but the story's not finished, I'm going to revise, plot plan from current date until finale and then start writing again.

Edit: I suppose Musings from the DA universe is a collection of one-shots. Those weren't planned, just little things that came to me as I was going through DA2 RPing as Briar Hawke. For a purple Hawke, she wound up being almost as broody as Fenris and Anders sometimes. And Musings got its name because it was all just stuff she idly thought/brooded about.

Edit Edit: I can't seat-of-the-pants anything. Ever. I write scripts for important phone calls I have to make (as in, this is what I want to say, this is the order in which I want to say it). I used to write plans for exam questions before I answered them. So...I'm just kind of like that. The plans get altered a bit as I go, but the gist of it has been more or less the same.

Modifié par dpMeggers, 21 juin 2012 - 09:17 .

[hot_heart]

I am totally a 'seat-of-the-pantser' much to my own chagrin. Sometimes I find I'm too eager to dive in and get writing because, more often than not, magic things tend to happen as I go. Of course, I then run into a wall or find I have to slow the pace considerably before I start tripping myself up.

...which of course I have done currently. And it's even worse since it's published on a chapter-by-chapter basis. Rewriting is all fine when it's all behind-the-scenes or fixing typos and cleaning up language, but I don't want to be messing with significant plot details.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Theodoro wrote...

I'm in the same boat here. Based on what the story is and its concept, it can be an effective method. And we have your stories as an example of that done well. Oh, and what's this about a new one-shot coming up? I'm suddenly excited to see what you've come up with! Is it going to be tied into 'Empty' in some way?

And thanks, it helps a lot!

I might have alluded to it in the Liara thread

Actually, I can't decide whether I should continue with Empty or just write a new one-shot (this idea is for a few centuries post-ME3). Liara trying to cope with Shep's loss could get old pretty quickly. Then again, I kind of left the former open for expansion into Liara's search for Shepard, so, who knows?

[fluffywalrus]

hot_heart wrote...

I am totally a 'seat-of-the-pantser' much to my own chagrin. Sometimes I find I'm too eager to dive in and get writing because, more often than not, magic things tend to happen as I go. Of course, I then run into a wall or find I have to slow the pace considerably before I start tripping myself up.

...which of course I have done currently. And it's even worse since it's published on a chapter-by-chapter basis. Rewriting is all fine when it's all behind-the-scenes or fixing typos and cleaning up language, but I don't want to be messing with significant plot details.

I can sympathize with this. I do most of my writing when I'm in some kind of late night sleep deprived state, and while I'm usually happy with the results, it often leads to stylistic errors that bug me(I write as I speak, which often doesn't translate properly to a written narrative). And I hit a lot of walls that I get too tired to search for a way around, and often just bowl them over (not a good idea on my behalf).

But it's the only way I know how to write. Whether it's a one shot about a krogan rendition of The Nutcracker, or my actual somewhat decent origin fic, I kind of just have a few loose goals and ideas that I nail down before filling in the blanks.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 21 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[Caligno]

I could have sworn I saw a post of someone asking for criticism on their fic within the last couple pages, but I can't find it.

When I write one-shots, I come up with a basic idea and come up with a very basic outline of what's going to happen and what I want it to mean. Then I make everything else up as it comes.

[Icyflare]

I find that I'm the most productive in my writing when I'm desperately trying to avoid doing something else, like a term paper or laundry. Sometimes, something will inspire me and I'll just type until I'm out. Other times, I'll go with a general tone/emotion I want the fic to be associated with and work with that. Highly don't recommend the latter one though. It becomes a mess to edit later.

Modifié par Icyflare, 21 juin 2012 - 09:43 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Icyflare wrote...

I find that I'm the most productive in my writing when I'm desperately trying to avoid doing something else, like a term paper or laundry.

Oh, definitely. I have a whole list of referral letters to write, but guess what I'm doing?

[Icyflare]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Icyflare wrote...

I find that I'm the most productive in my writing when I'm desperately trying to avoid doing something else, like a term paper or laundry.

Oh, definitely. I have a whole list of referral letters to write, but guess what I'm doing?

Getting hard to work on those referrals?

Modifié par Icyflare, 21 juin 2012 - 10:39 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Psssshaw I wonder how many "accidental" ME-related typos I could slip into one before getting enough complaints in to be struck off...

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 21 juin 2012 - 09:55 .

[fluffywalrus]

I want to finish the chapter I'm on so bad, but it's so hot outside that I can't think...
I really want ice-cream, or anything remotely cool, but the grocery is so far away. All I have is pasta to heat up and I don't feel like dying of heat stroke in the kitchen

Augh, summer blows sometimes.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Fluffy, be thankful you have a summer... we've had a grand total of two days in England, now autumn is here!

Anyway, I have no ice cream to offer, but here's a virtual cake with nice awesome icing... this is what I had in mind when I described Liara's baking

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 21 juin 2012 - 10:26 .

[lillitheris]

Caligno wrote...

I could have sworn I saw a post of someone asking for criticism on their fic within the last couple pages, but I can't find it.

I dunno if someone else did, but I wanted some input on Ch. 21, Drussius kindly obliged already, but I won’t turn down more I was mainly concerned about whether it read choppy…found a couple passages that will be fixed in a copyedit When I Have Time™.

[fluffywalrus]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Fluffy, be thankful you have a summer... we've had a grand total of two days in England, now autumn is here!

Anyway, I have no ice cream to offer, but here's a virtual cake with nice awesome icing... this is what I had in mind when I described Liara's baking

That cake....looks like someone decided to do a bunch of mini brownies in muffin sheets and squashed them all together. And then tossed a tacky car window decal "Happy Birthday" thing on top.

That said, cake is cake, it probably tasted good. All mine look mangled and horrendous, but are often quite tasty.
Now I want to bake a cake, but I need to use the oven for that, and go to the grocery for ingredients....
And it still feels like 45 celsius outside, augh.