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Okay, a very quick formatting question relating to things I was asking about the other day. I've been adding bits of a later scene to earlier chapters, using a "Place X, now.." "Place Y, three weeks ago..." format. However, one of the parts I have written starts with a dream sequence of past events. So should I just do "Place Y, three weeks ago" and start with the dream as I currently have it written? Or should I break the dream and the wakeful portion of the scene into two parts, introducing the dream as "Long ago..." or some such?

I'm just a bit unsure about using "Place Y, three weeks ago" to set a scene when it starts with events that happened 60 years before, even if there IS a "Jane jerked awake, startled by the incoming signal" type transition after just a few paragraphs. But breaking it into two separate scenes feels a bit wrong too, given the transition from dream to reality as I have it written now.

Edit: Just had thoughts about two different possible solutions. What if I start with "Place Y, three weeks ago" and add a line to the very beginning of the dream sequence along the lines of "Julisa sat with her head pillowed on folded arms, dreaming..."

Or alternately, I could start it with "Place X, sixty years ago..." and transition to reality as follows, and this is copied directly from the passage as it's written, with the part in bold being what I was considering adding:

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A bluish-purple aura flared around her, startling her daughter, who scrambled away from her in fear. A shrill scream of rage exploded from deep inside of her, and she rounded on the terminal and hit it with a Warp field so intense that it shredded not only the terminal, but the wall and floor around it...
     "Captain, we are ten minutes out."
     Columbia System, Three weeks ago...
     Julisa's head snapped up from where it had been resting on her folded arms, and she gasped, momentarily disoriented by the transition from dream to reality. She rubbed her eyes in an effort to get them to focus, and her gaze fell upon the static image of her bondmate and their daughter displayed on the desk in front of her. The two were sititng together in the garden behind the house they had shared as a family. A picture taken so long ago...

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Thoughts on the best course of action?

Modifié par Drussius, 26 juin 2012 - 01:44 .


#1502
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Drussius wrote...

Okay, a very quick formatting question relating to things I was asking about the other day. I've been adding bits of a later scene to earlier chapters, using a "Place X, now.." "Place Y, three weeks ago..." format. However, one of the parts I have written starts with a dream sequence of past events. So should I just do "Place Y, three weeks ago" and start with the dream as I currently have it written? Or should I break the dream and the wakeful portion of the scene into two parts, introducing the dream as "Long ago..." or some such?

I'm just a bit unsure about using "Place Y, three weeks ago" to set a scene when it starts with events that happened 60 years before, even if there IS a "Jane jerked awake, startled by the incoming signal" type transition after just a few paragraphs. But breaking it into two separate scenes feels a bit wrong too, given the transition from dream to reality as I have it written now.

Edit: Just had thoughts about two different possible solutions. What if I start with "Place Y, three weeks ago" and add a line to the very beginning of the dream sequence along the lines of "Julisa sat with her head pillowed on folded arms, dreaming..."

Or alternately, I could start it with "Place X, sixty years ago..." and transition to reality as follows, and this is copied directly from the passage as it's written, with the part in bold being what I was considering adding:

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A bluish-purple aura flared around her, startling her daughter, who scrambled away from her in fear. A shrill scream of rage exploded from deep inside of her, and she rounded on the terminal and hit it with a Warp field so intense that it shredded not only the terminal, but the wall and floor around it...
     "Captain, we are ten minutes out."
     Columbia System, Three weeks ago...
     Julisa's head snapped up from where it had been resting on her folded arms, and she gasped, momentarily disoriented by the transition from dream to reality. She rubbed her eyes in an effort to get them to focus, and her gaze fell upon the static image of her bondmate and their daughter displayed on the desk in front of her. The two were sititng together in the garden behind the house they had shared as a family. A picture taken so long ago...

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Thoughts on the best course of action?


I think your example works well enough, but it's still a bit awkward, having part of the past within the dream scene before the date is prompted. That said, I've generally held the idea that dream sequences are rather obvious, and shouldn't cause much confusion at all, so were I writing it, I would have the "...Three weeks ago..." it at the top, with the italicized comm message guiding the reader out of the dream along with the rest of the 'waking up' paragraph.

Though I know some readers find that style of structuring to be jarring.
In short, I can't give you a solid answer :unsure: There's no right way, only preferences.

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That was what I was wondering. If instead of starting with "Lesus, sixty years ago..." at the top of the dream sequence and then including that "Columbia System, Three weeks ago..." line at the point where she wakes up, I should just put the "Columbia System, Three weeks ago..." at the top and remove that line, so that the comm message and the following paragraph are together the way they are written currently.

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Oh, and also, what is the typical way most fanfictions are written? I've been writing it like I would write a novel, without line breaks between paragraphs, but with an indent at the beginning of each new paragraph. Is it more common for fanfiction to be written with each paragraph separated by a blank line? It seems that way from the few I've read.

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Drussius wrote...

That was what I was wondering. If instead of starting with "Lesus, sixty years ago..." at the top of the dream sequence and then including that "Columbia System, Three weeks ago..." line at the point where she wakes up, I should just put the "Columbia System, Three weeks ago..." at the top and remove that line, so that the comm message and the following paragraph are together the way they are written currently.


I just think that adding two dates in short succession...if you're trying to get across that she's dreaming, those dreams are taking pace X weeks ago. It's all within that time frame. The reader doesn't need to know explicitly at that moment how long ago those events were in the past. I think a simple "whatever system, X weeks ago" works, and the fact that it's a dream is made blatant by the trailing of thoughts interrrupted by a comms message, and the sudden rousing of the character in bed.

Drussius wrote...

Oh, and also, what is the typical way
most fanfictions are written? I've been writing it like I would write a
novel, without line breaks between paragraphs, but with an indent at the
beginning of each new paragraph. Is it more common for fanfiction to be
written with each paragraph separated by a blank line? It seems that
way from the few I've read.


I add spaces between paragraphs because that's my preference when I work, and generally when I read.
That said, I'm not opposed to reading the other way, but you'd have to ensure that the page did not become a wall of text on the screen.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 26 juin 2012 - 02:02 .


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The chapters I have so far are a bit long. I hope that it won't discourage many readers from giving the story a chance. But line breaks would probably help to keep it from really looking like a wall of text. It will be simple to reformat. That's why I was asking.

And I definitely like keeping the date/time out of the middle of a passage. I think I will be starting with the place and time at which the scene itself is taking place, rather than the place/time of the dream. Thank you for the input!

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Here's a passage from my looooong in development, and still incomplete Mass Effect noir. In the scene, the main character, human former black operator Easy and his Salarian partner, Rae, have unexpectedly come up on the body of an Asari child while in pursuit of stolen cargo.

I don't know if it's risky but here goes:

"How old do you think she was?”

"Older than me." he said to me before deeply sighing, "Younger than you. Relative to your people, she is…was about eleven or twelve." The small blue body washed up on the shore was bloody and broken and drowned. There were old bruises all over her body. She'd lived a life of terrible pain before she finally met her end in that river.

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Okay, this isn't the ending scene I mentioned, but I did like it all the same. I thought the other one was a little too depressing.

The set-up is Liara and Garrus survived the Harbinger's attack and make it into the beam. Garrus has a broken leg and a missing mandible from fighting his way in while Liara has lost a lot of blood and bullet rounds in her arm from when a marauder blindsided her. Also, broken ribs. They are waking up in the Citadel in this scene:
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Liara felt something at her arm, the one that got shot, but the sensation was outside her realm of consciousness, like a nightmare seeping into a dream. Something was being pulled from its very depth then something pushed in that felt like microscopic ants crawling through her bloodstream. Her heart fluttered once, twice, then stopped. Her limbs were heavy and unresponsive. It felt something heavy and comforting laid on her body.

The ache in her ribs dropped away, and even the right side of her face had hushed in its agony. Something thumped her on the chest. There were heated words, a raised voice, and the perception of something being shoved away from her.

Another thump on her chest, and Liara realized she was still alive.

She opened her working eye and gazed around. The piles of human remains around her made her wish she hadn’t.

“Liara, you all right?”

She sat up. “I think so. How odd. I feel better than before we entered the beam.”

Garrus was staring at her. “Yeah, that’s the funny thing.”

“What is it?” Liara looked at Garrus, blinked, and then gaped at the turian’s face.

His missing mandible had healed over and there was an odd prosthetic on it that bore an uncomfortable resemblance to the marauders. Her hand came up to explore the right side of her face. The flesh was foreign feeling and deadened. She couldn’t feel that side of her face.

“Garrus.” She looked at him in horror.

“I know.” He touched his mandible, disbelievingly. He pointed at something over her shoulder. “You can blame it on that thing.”

Liara turned. A Keeper hovered just out of arm’s reach, looking at her curiously with its head tinted to the side. She had never seen one up close, but she thought that there was a strange intelligence in its eyes, almost ancient and sinister all at the same time. It made her nervous.

It ducked its head and skittered a few paces back. There were odd tools in its hands, a syringe of some sort, a scanner, and a couple of things that were unidentifiable to the pair. One looked like a miniature version of the Dragon’s Teeth the Reapers used. Deftly, it took off its pack and carefully laid the tools inside, chittering all the time and keeping its gaze on them. It scampered back even farther, keeping a good distance on them while it plugged into a Keeper’s console.

Liara gazed after it, feeling somewhat uneasy by its constant glances at them.

“You know, this reminds me of the human Hell Shepard was trying to describe to me one time.” Garrus peered around. “I wonder where Kai Leng is.”

“Or the Illusive Man.” The asari shakily pushed herself up.

“He’s not dead yet.”

She helped Garrus up. “He will be.” Liara touched the side of her communication unit. “Shepard, come in? Shepard, are you there?”

Static crackled back.

“Shepard? Shepard?” Liara could hear her voice growing urgent. She couldn’t stop it. “Can you hear me?”

“Maybe she’s in a location where our radios don’t work.” Garrus tried to soothe her, although his eyes looked worried. “We need to get out to a better spot and try again.”

“This place is a nightmare.” Liara looked around the corridor with overhanging cords like the insides of the Citadel. There was a strange, disturbing tinge to everything the lights touched. She couldn’t walk a metre without stepping on what remained of a human, and the smell…

Liara covered her nose and inhaled shallowly with her mouth. She would not wish the experience of smelling the decomposition of hundreds of human corpses on anyone.

“C’mon. Let’s get going.” Garrus pulled ahead of her, and Liara’s eyes automatically gravitated downwards.
“Garrus, your leg…”

He turned around. “I know.” A kind of dull, blue metal reinforced the part where the bone had snapped. “Let’s get Shepard and blow the Reapers to bits.”

Liara nodded and followed after the turian. She ignored the odd Keeper’s lingering gaze on her back and hurried down the corridor.
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I liked this scene because it's wonderfully creepy and was supporting my Keeper conspiracy idea when I was desperately trying to rewrite the ending. There's also the horror of having your teammates start to be huskified that was enthralling to me. Also, EC soon.

Sooooooon >_>

Modifié par Icyflare, 26 juin 2012 - 06:31 .


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I’ve got a bunch of DE3 chapter notes to write, but just wanted to say that the posted scenes are really nice.



@Drussius: Agree with fluffy, the date of the dream doesn’t need to be stated, or you could maybe work it in the chapter if it doesn’t get established later… “Sixty years on and still the dreams came” (or “She hadn’t come into her dreams for nearly sixty years, why now?” if that’s the case).

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I'm struggling with trying to justify bothering finishing Loved at this point. I just saw the vids of the EC.

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Sialater wrote...

I'm struggling with trying to justify bothering finishing Loved at this point. I just saw the vids of the EC.


My opinion on EC? Better than the original. I'm still not going to use any of those endings in my fic but I still think it's better.

One of the main things I dislike is that in order to ensure your Shepard's survival you'll have to kill the geth and EDI. I don't like how BW is forcing us to make such a choice: You want little blue babies or help Tali build a house on Rannoch? Kill the geth and EDI!:devil:

The other thing I dislike is how BW once again forces us to share their viewpoint that Synthesis is the best possible ending. Like, the bestest! Like, it's the same thing as control but better!:P

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Sialater wrote...

I'm struggling with trying to justify bothering finishing Loved at this point. I just saw the vids of the EC.


I suppose depending on the ending you chose, the results may vary...but it leaves a few doors open I guess.
I'm going to have to wait to play through, but I don't expect to be disappointed too much, from what I hear. I'm sorry they aren't in line with your expectations :(

You could always write in order to say "screw you" and give yourself what you wanted out of the ending.

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Well, I can make up what I want. That's not the point. It's bothering to write it out when by the time I get to the end of the ME3 section, no one's going to give a flying crap how I "fixed the endings." ME will be put back on their video game shelves and written off as the "Trilogy that Could but Didn't."

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Ursakar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I'm struggling with trying to justify bothering finishing Loved at this point. I just saw the vids of the EC.


My opinion on EC? Better than the original. I'm still not going to use any of those endings in my fic but I still think it's better.

One of the main things I dislike is that in order to ensure your Shepard's survival you'll have to kill the geth and EDI. I don't like how BW is forcing us to make such a choice: You want little blue babies or help Tali build a house on Rannoch? Kill the geth and EDI!:devil:

The other thing I dislike is how BW once again forces us to share theor veiwpoint that Synthesis is the best possible ending. Like, the bestest! Like, it's the same thing as control but better!:P


Like I've said in other threads, every ending has an unconventional sacrifice attached to it. Otherwise, the crucible is a conventional means to killing the Rapers. It's a big weapon they don't understand, but a point and shoot weapon nonetheless.

Every ending has a downside, some part of your Shep's journey, what you've fought for, that you have to give up to end the reaper threat.

I remember being tremendously heartbroken at the choices I was given initially, and when I decided on Destroy, I wept like a small child. When I saw Shep breathing at the end, I immediately knew I'd made the wrong call, according to my canon Shep. I didn't expect or realy want my Shep to live, and it was probably the saddest ending I could think of, given the options. My Shepard would be too broken to enjoy being with Liara. It would be horrendous.

I think Bioware likes Synthesis best, but every single ending has you conceding victory to the Starkid AI and the reapers in some form. Synthesis, IMO, is the most heavy-handed in that regard, so while things work out, they only do so because you accept the sytarkid's justification for utilizing the Reapers. Everyone may not be husks and marauders, etc., but you've basically done a similar thing to all living organisms.

I won't get into control because I loathe it, but it's similar in some ways, but mostly about power.

But yeah, each ending has a sacrifice, and I feel that's important. Sure, it would have been nice to have an easy button that kills all reapers so my SHep can safely float down from the citadel and enjoy her and Liara's little blue babies, but it just didn't fit, for me. I don't know if I could accept that ending. That said, I accepted the idea that my Shep would die at the end of the trilogy by midway through ME1, so...my perspective may have been skewed a bit.

I'm waiting to experience the EC content myself, so I haven't seen the endings, but I've read and heard about them. They sound promising, considering.

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Sialater wrote...

Well, I can make up what I want. That's not the point. It's bothering to write it out when by the time I get to the end of the ME3 section, no one's going to give a flying crap how I "fixed the endings." ME will be put back on their video game shelves and written off as the "Trilogy that Could but Didn't."

I suppose I can understand that:(

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Yes, the problem with the synthesis is that you don't leave people the choice to be or not be hybrids. It is inevitable that a great part of living beings wouldn't want to be part synthetics. But the way BW see it is that everyone would be ecstatic to be a hybrid.

As for control and destroy - if they have done it similarly to the endings of Fallout: Tactics, I believe it would have been the best solution and 90 percent of the fans would have been satisfied with it.

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fluffywalrus wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, I can make up what I want. That's not the point. It's bothering to write it out when by the time I get to the end of the ME3 section, no one's going to give a flying crap how I "fixed the endings." ME will be put back on their video game shelves and written off as the "Trilogy that Could but Didn't."

I suppose I can understand that:(


Yeah, the questions I'm asking myself are... do I bother with the writing exercise that fic is for me.... or just throw it away and direct my energies to the stuff I might actually be able to get something out of.  

Guess it all depends on how pushy Meghan Shepard gets.

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@fluffywalrus

Yes, the problem with the synthesis is that you don't leave people the choice to be or not be hybrids. It is inevitable that a great part of living beings wouldn't want to be part synthetics. But the way BW see it is that everyone would be ecstatic to be a hybrid.

As for control and destroy - if they have done it similarly to the endings of Fallout: Tactics, I believe it would have been the best solution and 90 percent of the fans would have been satisfied with it.


Aye. I'm just too paranoid to ever choose control. None of my Shepards would, because becoming an AI/Reaper would inevitably change Shepard's mental processes, which could lead to further justifying the purpose of the Reapers, and falling into those logic loops the Starkid AI seems so fond of.

Just couldn't ever choose control. My reasons go a bit deeper than that, but IC, that's how my Sheps would feel.

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fluffywalrus wrote...

Ursakar wrote...

@fluffywalrus

Yes, the problem with the synthesis is that you don't leave people the choice to be or not be hybrids. It is inevitable that a great part of living beings wouldn't want to be part synthetics. But the way BW see it is that everyone would be ecstatic to be a hybrid.

As for control and destroy - if they have done it similarly to the endings of Fallout: Tactics, I believe it would have been the best solution and 90 percent of the fans would have been satisfied with it.


Aye. I'm just too paranoid to ever choose control. None of my Shepards would, because becoming an AI/Reaper would inevitably change Shepard's mental processes, which could lead to further justifying the purpose of the Reapers, and falling into those logic loops the Starkid AI seems so fond of.

Just couldn't ever choose control. My reasons go a bit deeper than that, but IC, that's how my Sheps would feel.


Exactly.  Too much of a chance of a "math error."

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Sialater wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, I can make up what I want. That's not the point. It's bothering to write it out when by the time I get to the end of the ME3 section, no one's going to give a flying crap how I "fixed the endings." ME will be put back on their video game shelves and written off as the "Trilogy that Could but Didn't."

I suppose I can understand that:(


Yeah, the questions I'm asking myself are... do I bother with the writing exercise that fic is for me.... or just throw it away and direct my energies to the stuff I might actually be able to get something out of.  

Guess it all depends on how pushy Meghan Shepard gets.

Ah, yeah. I took up writing my fic because I want a personal memento of my experience with the series. The fact that others might enjoy reading it is pretty secondary. I would imagine that, with a different set of priorities, there would be a very differet answer.

I guess in the end, it's up to you. Just sit on it and wait to see if you feel the pull to write more. I suppose that's the easiest way to handle it. :blush:

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@Sialater

The control option in ME is almost identical with the control option in the Fallout: Tactics. The only difference is that in F:T the ending cutscene clearly states that while everyone is grateful that you control the machines and help everyone rebuild, they are also wary of the almost unlimited power you posses.

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fluffywalrus wrote...

Sialater wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, I can make up what I want. That's not the point. It's bothering to write it out when by the time I get to the end of the ME3 section, no one's going to give a flying crap how I "fixed the endings." ME will be put back on their video game shelves and written off as the "Trilogy that Could but Didn't."

I suppose I can understand that:(


Yeah, the questions I'm asking myself are... do I bother with the writing exercise that fic is for me.... or just throw it away and direct my energies to the stuff I might actually be able to get something out of.  

Guess it all depends on how pushy Meghan Shepard gets.

Ah, yeah. I took up writing my fic because I want a personal memento of my experience with the series. The fact that others might enjoy reading it is pretty secondary. I would imagine that, with a different set of priorities, there would be a very differet answer.

I guess in the end, it's up to you. Just sit on it and wait to see if you feel the pull to write more. I suppose that's the easiest way to handle it. :blush:


Yeah, guess, ultimately, it doesn't really matter if anyone cares.  

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It may sound petty and childish of me; but the EC endings have changed nothing for me.

They're still the same crappy endings that demand a sacrifice from something I worked for, especially so when they were butt-pulled at the last minute.

Not to mention I feel a tad insulted with the 'Refusal' ending, which is nothing more than BW throwing a tantrum and giving you the finger.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 26 juin 2012 - 05:27 .


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IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

It may sound petty and childish of me; but the EC endings have changed nothing for me.

They're still the same crappy endings that demand a sacrifice from something I worked for, especially so when they were butt-pulled at the last minute.

Not to mention I feel a tad insulted with the 'Refusal' ending, which is nothing more than BW throwing a tantrum and giving you the finger.


But that's the only way the refusal ending makes sense. I don't like the "last second villain" but the refusal was everything I wanted from it. A chance to say no and let the space faring species of the universe fight it out on their terms, not the AI's, even if it means death.

That said, I can see where some might have wanted IT included somewhere in refusing the starkid AI, but I'm really thankful Bioware decided not to do that.

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fluffywalrus wrote...

That said, I can see where some might have wanted IT included somewhere in refusing the starkid AI, but I'm really thankful Bioware decided not to do that.


Agreed.

- minor EC spoiler below -







And so, I have the night off thanks to some horrible bug I caught off someone yesterday... is it too much of a minefield to try and tackle a reunion scene, seeing as we didn't get one?

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 26 juin 2012 - 07:23 .